Also published today: Why The Constantly Blundering NSIS Is A Big Danger To Kenya Part 2
So Jamlek Kamau (MP for Kigumo) feels that Uhuru Kenyatta is the wrong number for Ababu Namwamba to point fingers at. And that he should concentrate his energies on his Budalangi constituency. So who in the eyes of Kamau is the right number? Who is it that can have himself toyed with while others are left alone without investigation I wonder?
Any leader’s responsibility is to his constituents and the country as a whole. If for instance Ababu Namwaba comes across a case that needs clarification in parliament, the repairing of dykes will not stop in Budalangi just because the member looked into national matters. The idea of fellow MPs rallying support for ministers under investigation is sending the wrong message because it’s not a question of friendship here - just a minister who may or may not have broken the law. However complex our laws may be, it all boils to whether Uhuru or Kajwang' or Kimunya rubbished them or not. The case of errant ministers is that simple. Laws are made to be followed however small or negligible they may be in the eyes of the big guys. If Uhuru is guilty of irregular nomination of councilors let him carry his own cross. If he’s not guilty then he has nothing to fear or to be publicly supported about. The government I believe has mechanisms to determine such cases.
I’d not be surprised to see Uhuru going for some constituency love next if the storm gets thicker. And that’s the other point. Constituents too should desist from rallying blind support for MPs who are under investigation. If we are to mend this country, we cannot start by dancing around a corrupt minister just so our constituency can have a flag. We have to start crushing impunity from the constituency level and gladly let our MPs crash to the ground in disgrace if they’re found guilty of corruption or abuse of office.
Elius Mbau of Maragwa also in his defense for Uhuru had the audacity to say that any action taken by a government leader should be respected because the leaders are duly elected. Is he suggesting that we respect ministers’ decisions regardless of whether they’re right of wrong? That is the kind of balderdash that Kenya does not need now or ever. Is that not where abuse of office stems from? Ministers feeling that they can do anything just because?
And those speaking of witch hunting, of what use is the grand coalition if we cannot tackle grand corruption without fear of upsetting the balance?
Who is Ababu Namwamba?
ReplyDeleteFunny how Kumekucha missed the dawn of Kajawang'. Isn't it rather curious that only the Kikuyu ministers accused interest you? This blog is tribalist to the core. I was waiting to see how you would come out in defense of one of your own "liberation" comrade Otieno Kajawang' but it was a storm in a tea cup, right? Asians coming to do some welding and "Christians" who believe in slavery of the black "Ham" race are welcome to Kenya and that is ok... whatever!
ReplyDeleteTHIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY GREAT POST!
ReplyDeleteYou hit the nail on the head.
We have to read more of this!
And of course, people start complaining about tribalism. This is so poor. Kimunya tried it, Kenyatta will try it and let me tell you something. IT WILL NOT WORK!
Coming to Kajwang. Maybe Kumekucha should really write an article about the matter in detail. But as the minister has already made clear: Why should you allow some members of a group to enter the country and others not??? Of course, if you have clear evidence and facts you base your decision on, then the minister should listen. But where exactly is this evidence??
Have a nice day ;-)
Shiko,
ReplyDeleteThat was a nice coming out show you tried to perform, but please leave your naivety at home and try to develop your own voice independent of the stone throwers' influence!!!!
Anon@1.07am
ReplyDeleteNo need to be emotional on this straight forward matter.
Kajwang has been accused. Instead of a few GEMA MPs calling a press conference to attack Ababu Namwamba, why cant they organise themselves and bring a motion of censure on Kajwang or any other ODM MP they feel acted improperly?
Ababu has raised valid points against Uhuru. We all know what Uhuru did was illegal and the worst case of abuse of office. Unfortunately, instead of sacking him, Kibaki promoted him to DPM.
Perhaps we should remember that former CBK Governor, Andrew Mullei, was sacked and eventually charged in court for single sourcing - the same thing that Kimunya is calling "an offer that was too good to turn down." But Kimunya is still roaming freely, perhaps still earning the salary of a cabinet minister who has only but stepped aside! Another example is when the former Director of KNH, Dr. Julius Meme, was sacked and charged for abusing his office for banking hospital funds in Eurobank which collapsed. Never mind the Eurobank was licenced by CBK and Ministry of Finance is the supervisor and manager of the banking sector through the CBK.
You know what? Both Meme and Kullei were cleared of any wrong doing by the high court.
It is up to government agencies charged with enforcing the law and charged with monitoring government officials which should act when the laws are disregarded. KACC, EMU, KP, AGs Office, DPP, are all there to ensure law and order is maintained.
So you guys can accuse Ababu and even mindlessly blame Kumekucha blog, and you conveniently avoid tackling issues that are being raised.
Its not an issue of whether the shoe fits ababu but rather - did Uhuru break the law? Was Kajwang corrupt? Its as easy as ABC.
Suppose the MPs passed a vote of no confidence and the ministers refused to resign, that is when the parliament who know constitutionally their votes of confidence on cabinet members (with the exception of the president) have no legal basis. And for the first time that is what is going to happen if they touch Uhuru.
ReplyDeleteIf they were men and women enough they would go for the president.
The idea is whether there is a clear case of wrong doing or not by any minister or leader in government. Not influences or who throws the stones and where they come from.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 1:33
ReplyDeleteIsn't our much-loved and dearly-missed Shiko allowed to have her own opinion without insults from you, you excuse of a man? Pls do not show us here how you treat your wife and mother.
Anon@ 1:07
Readers of my raw notes will know that I revealed how Kajwang started being corrupt even before the grand coalition cabinet was announced. My view is that he should also resign to pave way for investigations. ODM corrupt ministers must also go. NO EXCEPTIONS. This has nothing to do with tribes or political affiliation's.
-Kumekukucha-
Come on Phil,
ReplyDeleteGovernor Mullei single-sourced to his son's firm.
Are you also indirectly saying that nothing can happen to Kajwang because the parliament is controlled by ODM?
An impeachment of Uhuru Kenyatta would be the end of this parliament/government. It is as simple as that. A parliamentary motion of censure against Uhuru, as useless and meaningless as it is, cannot sail through, Mwai Kibaki, the President of Kenya and the only one with the powers to kick a government minister out cannot and shouldn't even dare summon leave alone fire uhuru. And most importantly, uhuru will not resign over nothingness. Next?
ReplyDeleteHey Chris,
ReplyDeleteLong time. Bloggers block I guess. Or blogger burn out.
I was wondering the same about that anon. Kwani my opinion has to be from some influence somewhere and not my own? And what on earth is a coming out show? Atsi!!
The issue with kajwang is very simple the thieves and conmen in immigration department only have power if they are the final authority on matters immigration...the fact that someone can appeal to kajwang just renders them powerless....the so called technocrats...nothing but pen pushing clerks doing a job u can train a clever dog to do over a weekend. There are simple guidelene to determine who gets a work permit but there is also room for descretion and the minister has that. There was no coruption or abuse of office the minister ha the final say and that is that. If youhate it chnage the law. Challenge it in court not payuka all over the place.
ReplyDeleteI wish the so called technocrats could instead unearth the deadly corruption taking place at the immigration department.
Mumunya stole....if the thing was transparent why was hit hush hush? Whay was orengo not told about it?
Its a deal who can't refuse? Mumunya and co or kenyans?
Typical mt.kenya mafia arrogance.
Sir Alex
Blogger Anon@ 1.49AM said.......
ReplyDeleteCome on Phil,
Governor Mullei single-sourced to his son's firm.
Are you also indirectly saying that nothing can happen to Kajwang because the parliament is controlled by ODM?
The thing is, was he found guilty or innocent by the high court? If what he did was wrong, what makes what Kimunya has done RIGHT? Why cant Kimunya, Uhuru or Kajwang also be hauled by KACC to an anti-corruption court to answer charges like Mulei and Meme?
Chris,
In as much as I respect you RAW NOTES, it would be useful - for purposes of this debate - if you could tell us how corrupt Kajwang was even before being a cabinet minister? This is a challenge Kajwang threw at parliament, KACC, Police and I am throwing it at you, table the evidence and we debate it right here!
On the other hand, this is an issue of public interest for the last two weeks, and isnt it strange that Uhuru has not had a chance to call a press conference to despute what Musalia said in parliament and elsewhere, and defend himself for his short sighted and illegal actions when he was Local government minister.
As a matter of fact, Uhuru has been Local Government minister twice and on both occassions, he participated in illegal activities. Previously he was deeply implicated in the illegal allocation of the WOODLEY ESTATE in Nairobi. Those allocations led to the violent death of Charles Sosah who was an official of the Woodley Residents Asosciation. Uhuru ako na file mingi sana. Probably because of his background he thinks he is above the law! What nonsense.
It serves no purpose to engage in empty rhetoric and innuendos - like Vikii who is asking "Who is Ababu Namwamba?" as if he does not know Ababu is the ODM MP for Budalangi who has so far proved much more useful in parliament than the likes of ODM-K's so called Prof. Kaloki whom Vikii loves to adore!
Kajwang's defence on Kiss FM today:
ReplyDelete1. Ethiopian lady had stayed in Kenya, given birth to 8 kids and taught for 20+ yrs. When she went to get Pension, she was told she was not a Kenyan. Her husband appealed. Kajwang agreed with him.
2. Welder: Is underwater welder of ships. Has been training Kenyans but his company requested that he continues to stay for 2 more years. It is a big company repairing shipsall over Indian ocean and based in Mombasa.
3. British Investor: Came to Kenya in 1982 and has been running a business. His balance sheet now says his assets are less than 1ook dollars. PS wanted him to inject a further cash to stay. Kajwang thought that was bullshit. Minimal investment is relevent for a new investor not someone who has been here since Kajwang' was in High school!!
4. Momons: Were denied entry because they were children. Kajwang said 19yr old are not children according to Kenyan laws. Looked at what the church has been doing in Kenya for many years..(they have a church in Uper hill). Granted.
Let PNU do a censure motion..
This is developing into a River Road mob justice where a thief points at another and shouts "Thief" and before you know it some simple minds are throwing stones without reflection.
ReplyDeleteIt is time we called off this show and go back to elections and usher in the glorious era of Kalonzo presidency. He is the only long serving politician without a molasses background.
ODMites
ReplyDeletePlease be my guests and pass a vote of no confidence in Uhuru. Please do it tomorrow. Don't wait, hurry up, what are you waiting for. Forget you breakfast, don't even take you children to school, please run and vote, vote to remove Junior Jomo and wait and see what will happen - A BIG NOTHING!
Vikii asked:
ReplyDeleteWho is Ababu Namwamba?
Our comments:
Could you please discuss ideas and not people.
Shiko Karibu tena na tena...And what a nice post?
ReplyDeleteThe cartoon that showed kipipirians urging Kimunya to continue mumunyaring has never left me...Ati Kimunya endelea kumumunya we are with you....LOL those are the ironies of life, when Kimunya was selling GR, i can't remember him going to Kipipiri to seek their consent, even for the people of Kenya and i can bet that even the perceived 20Billions (not yet proved) loan that was granted maybe never even passed kwa mikono yao..LOL
I hear that once the people of Budalangi had a powerful minister Peter Okondo (who had a loose tongue that one day he dared a man of God (Alex Muge) who died immediately after. Was that man able to stop the floods in Budalangi?
Anon 1:07 i said it once ...I will say it again if you have anything against Kajwang, forward it and let kumekuchans decide.Facts not fiction, if he is found guilty then so be it.
Shiko karibu na usipotee hivyo...Leave haters alone
Ivy
Mwarang'ethe,
ReplyDeleteA good investigator examines first the vessel that is purpoted to contain the ideas before opening it. And the vessel of curiosity here is Ababu (who again?).
Ivy,
ReplyDeleteIf you don't know Otieno Kajwang, here is a one line introdduction: He is a former ambulance chaser who stole money from road accidents victims before the Law Society of Kenya caught up with him and de-barred him, thus ending a sad story of a shetani lawyer who survived by robbing the dead.
Jamlek is of course right. Uhuru is the wrong number. Kimunya was fixed 'cause pnu did not put up a fight for him. I think those who (not the phils of this world) really know kenyan politics understand that a censure move against uhuru will go no where. Nothing to do with guilt or innocence. Just the way things are. Same way no move against rao can succeed.
ReplyDeleteHehehehe!! Ati Kajwang' was once "a shetani lawyer who survived by robbing the dead." Wow! That is a good one!
ReplyDeleteThat is why I sometimes come to Kumekucha when I find life boring.
Thanks Ivy sister. It's been quite a while.
ReplyDeleteAnon 2.41 it's that 'untouchables' syndrome that we need to crash. No one is big enough than Kenya and it's laws.
Anon 2:39, Yes he did that ..I know that. What has it got to do with Ministry of Immigration....There is a charge sheet that is what we are discussing....If i start investigating people's past...I bet that you, yourself are not innocent...I can't give a count of how many times you were caught with your hands in the sugar till. But does that make you incompetent i bet NOT. Kajwang's case is before us, what is it that he done? That is what i am asking. You get the drift...Kimunya mumunyad and he couldn't keep a lie up....What do you accuse Kajwang of? Hiyo ndio swali
ReplyDeleteIvy
Anon 2:55 i read that...Just thought i shouldn't waste my time on such comments.
ReplyDeleteLeave the one's who think they are untouchable...Just read an interview in the standard....With one Bonny Khalwale....One time Kimunya thought he was too powerful.
So Uhuru is jomo's son...So? Who is Jomo?. ....Yes i have asked...Sue me .... Oh i am scared...LOL
Ivy
Anonymous @ 2.41AM said...
ReplyDeleteJamlek is of course right. Uhuru is the wrong number. Kimunya was fixed 'cause pnu did not put up a fight for him. I think those who (not the phils of this world) really know kenyan politics understand that a censure move against uhuru will go no where. Nothing to do with guilt or innocence. Just the way things are. Same way no move against rao can succeed.
How wrong you are ANON! Two things.
First, even as we debate here, RAO has a court petition case by one Livondo hanging over his head. So clearly, he is not above the law.
Second, we have seen many big-men in Africa come and go. Perhaps you will need to research on what happened to notorious sons/daughters of leaders like Amin, Mobutu, Abacha, Bokassa, Obasanjo etc. The ill-gotten wealth and grabbing of public property is only good while your folks are at the helm. Kenyatta, Moi and now Kibaki are birds of a feather. I certainly do not fancy the future of people like Gideon Moi, Judy Kibaki and Uhuru Kenyatta. It is obvious that even if they do not face justice, their offspring will live to fight wars they never started. Those three families know full well what they have done to us the rest of Kenyans and it will be repaid, however long it takes.
Chris
ReplyDeleteOn a lighter note, papers have reported that the oldest blogger has kufad.....Does that mean that, that is an end to those tu funny comments.....How i pray so
Ivy
Amen to that Phil. It will be repaid no matter how long it takes.
ReplyDeleteWe are not alone in our brand of deception. Even Omar Bashir borrowed Kimunya's script and had a rally in Khartoum. The wind of change is so strong so much so that those who still entertain ideas of yore ati some are beyond justice will be very disappointed.
ReplyDeleteThe siege mentlity cannot work in the present day Kenya. You fit your crosss to your size and don't ask for our hand is helping you carry it.
How funny it is to have the mindset of 1970's change the katiba albeit in disguise. It is a new millennium people and the only thing that stand is truth. Juvenile bravado os asking WHO ARE YOU only succeeds in messaging your ego nothing else. That is the peril of juvenile brinkmanship, indulge.
KUMEKUCHA READING BETTWEEN YOU LINES i CAN TELL YOU ARE PART OF THIS POLITICAL MIND GAME PLAYED BY RAO.YOU ARE FEEDING YOUR READERS MINDS.e.g Kimunya downm fall,you present it very much as martha karua plot ,you set the seen as GEMA inter civil war.you next move will be to set the stage for pro kimunya counter attack on martha karua.you make it look as PANU internal war. but Iam sure Rao and ODM have they mukono dirty and you kumekucha are screen move producer.very clever you kinyonga
ReplyDeleteShiko-Msa i agree ministers should carry their own cross even the gikuyu bible Kibaki unveiled says that somewhere in there i'm sure. Those who can't carry the cross should resign not step aside lest they be crucified on the same cross. The problem is not all ministers are carrying cheap "made-in-china/made-in-libya" cross that will break easily-some crosses are more protected with divine power similar to appellate judges or even scions of history
ReplyDeleteAmen
Time has come when we should stop talking about ODM and PNU ministers. If a minister has done wrong he/she be censored whether in ODM or PNU. We dont want a minister like Kimunya censored then Kibaki gives him a cushion. Hata Kajwang' if he is wrong - let him face Music. Hii mambo ya kuangukia tribe ya mtu iishe. Some ministers who should be given yellow cards include Uhuru for over nominations and Haji for allowing the army to kill and rape the innocent in Mt Elgon. It is amazing now that some Kikuyus who saw Kibaki as a betrayer (eg Karume) are now singing his praises because he is Prezzy now. Hata Raila - if he is found wanting - wajaluo wasiseme mtu wao anamalizwa.
ReplyDelete4.36 you're so right.
ReplyDeleteTaabu funny how these leaders mess up then go back to the very people they trample upon to look for support.
Some of the comments here, considering that they are from the younger generation of Kenyans, leaves a lot to be desired. No wonder Kenya is and will be in the hole that we are in for a long, long time.
ReplyDeleteI think to some extent save for one or two elements full of recalcitrancy,we are in agreeance.If you are at the very least percieved to have messed with the hen or goat that belongs to the Kenyan people you should step aside until the claims or allegations levelled are proven otherwise.
ReplyDeletePhil i remember a post being made here to the effect that an ODM member had been overheard lobbying on the supply or rather to take part in some supply contract or something to that effect.I will join you in calling for disclosures so we can debate them herein.If they are not tabled by Chris they remain just as much,rumours.If some conduct in public by some minister who holds a public office is wanting,i dont see why it should be confined to the precincts of the raw notes.If we have to be credible in our new title of LYNCH MOB, we should be able to unequivocally scrutinise those we are percieved to carrying out the lynching for.Lack thereof scrutiny of ODM leaders will amount to double standards.
For the umpteenth time if Kajwang overlooked protocol and procedure and atleast against the advice of the AG, he should step down and not aside but resign altogether and so should Uhuru.In the same breath, the office of the AG needs some revamping right from the top.I think the onus is on the AG to censure Uhuru,Kimunya and Kajwang if he feels crimes of omission and commission have been committed by the respective ministers in the first place before we - lynch mobs - play our thing out.
So the least said the better,if a public office holder is percieved to have broken the law,let them step down,and spare us the shenanigans of tribe.I listened to this Jamlecks,Mbaus and Cohorts and i wonder why they never came up with much zeal when Kimunya was on the spotlight.As for Ababu,wether he is drwaing his motivation from elsewhere i dont care long as he is serving my intrest as regards proper governance,period.Wether he can't get the right size of shoes for himself or the right numbers let along the wrong ones me am okay.Impunity is an abomination in reflection to good governance.
shiko
ReplyDeleteeven funnier. the people trampled upon, in their broken toothless state, grin widely and lift the idiot up. .... again ....
some of these jambas from central are funny, ati uhuru is untouchable.
ReplyDeletesome of these guys are so brainwashed with monarchy they simply cant get it out of their systems, thats why they keep recycling fossils and wannabe princes
Well put Knoppix. So well put. Whoever the whistle blower is I don't care either. As long as the whistle is blown and the case is followed in accordance with the law to the very end.
ReplyDeleteIts the dead fish notion. If a fish is rotten, it will stink from the head to the tail. What do you expect if the "duly-elected" breaks the laws of the land by openly stealing an election, do you expect his officers/foot soldiers to be any different?
ReplyDeleteKenya is indeed a country of funny people. When one wants to visit the US, he's interviewed by high school dropouts masquerading as diplomatic attachés at the American embassy.
ReplyDeleteNow if you are a foreigner trying to visit Kenya, you might just be interviewed by a full minister.
What a bunch of idiots.
I am anon 1:07 AM that everyone is so keen to bash. I wanted Kumekucha to address the issue of Kajwang' because so far there has not been any clear explanations from the media on what really were the reasons for the Asians and Mormons to be granted entry. All I relied on was patchy details and the very rotten past of Kanjwang to suspect the man.
ReplyDeleteIf the explanations given by Ajwang at 2:05 Am is correct, it sounds all good to me, Kundos Kajwang'. Is there more to it, anyone?
About UK being beyond the law, jezz, I hate the idea so much that I will not type what am thinking. If Kikuyus continue to be part of the game of defending corrupt ministers and president, they should not complain that others are isolating them. Stand by Kibaki, Kimunya, UK and you will stand alone.
While am at it, what happened to IDPs? And the Kalenjin boys who were arrested? I thought that there was a law in Kenya on how long one can be detained before being produced in court, something like 24hrs?
So, why really organised, planned and financed the well coordinated ethnic cleansing in Eldoret, Nakuru and Naivasha? Is it the ODM as clained by the Human Rights watch?
Anon 7.18
ReplyDeleteKenyans are still living under colonial yoke. They see Mzungu like a god.
I remember when Cherie Blair, the wife of UK ex-Premier visted Kenya, they tried to treat her 'special' but she snubbed them. she told them she was only there to highlight about AIDS and teenage sex. She later wrote in a London newspaper that Kenyans are only interested with the important figures than the common citizen.
All this by a woman (Mrs Blair) who is named as one of the hated figures in UK.
Anon 7:20,Whats wrong again?You start and very good debate then end up sounding like a lost pedestrian.
ReplyDeleteStick with the issues.We are reacting to headlines at the moment.You have suddenly coerced me into imagining you are a focussed juvenile keen to be a civic leader.
Give us something in regard to the post.The facts you say Anon gave at 2.05 might be false,why not dwell on such instead of foaming for nothing.
Ababu Namwamba... is future president of Kenya, mark my words!
ReplyDeleteIs it any wonder that any storm Panuas try to raise never gathers steam?
ReplyDeleteODM ministers are busy working AS WE CAN ALL SEE,while duly elected is trying albeit too late to reign in his errant 'children'. Kajwang's was a non issue that blew up in their faces.
Uhuru, must pay for his sins. Continue fattening the cows for we are on the lookout for the next well-fed one to slaugher.
Blogger Anonymous @ 7.18AM said...
ReplyDeleteKenya is indeed a country of funny people. When one wants to visit the US, he's interviewed by high school dropouts masquerading as diplomatic attachés at the American embassy.
Now if you are a foreigner trying to visit Kenya, you might just be interviewed by a full minister.
What a bunch of idiots.
I think you are a bigger idiot than the rest of us Kenyans. You seem to have no idea that the US have similar appeal channels like Kenya and that Secretary of State has powers to overule immigration officers.
Kenya has laws that govern their country and you should take sometime off to zip your foul mouth and update yourself with statutes before advertising your ignorance here.
As Kenyans, we might be poor in comparison to your mighty and mannerless Americano, but we remain extremely proud of our country, culture and heritage.
It certainly does not take a genius to see Kenya has had to lend you Americans one of our numerous sons to be your next president. Barack Obama is a KENYAN owning a simba/thingira in Kogello village and his main job is to UNDO the massive damage the clueless president we have seen Americans vote for twice. It makes me wonder how more than 40million IDIOTS can live in one country and be registered voters to the point of voting for him TWICE! Yawa.....
Shiko where have you been? U did a serious disappearing act hapa, tumekumiss sana.
ReplyDeleteI love the post, wacha kila mtu abebe mzigo wake mwenyewe...even me I want to ask... who is Jamlek Kamau to tell anyone anything?
Ati leave your naivety at home independent of the stone throwers influence, this blog makes me laugh! Someone just thought it was a good thing to attack you after we have missed you for so long? Tell them to go hang!
Welcome back though!
Phil - as much as I would like to support you, but fact is that Obama is NOT Kenyan. He compared his family background to all the other Americans whose families come from all around the world, but who feel and always will feel to be true Americans. But as he also once rightly said: The colour of my skin does not make me African, the same as my wife is not one, or Dr. Martin Luther King was not one. And he continued: We are all proud Americans and we are not owned by any other country and never will be. So much to this. Just wait what he will tell the Germans when he goes to Berlin this month. He will compare himself with John F. Kennedy and for sure repeat those words JFK said when visiting that city: Ich bin ein Berliner.
ReplyDeleteWell said anon, we know all that. The point is Obama is on a hunting mission and no hunter exposes themselves until the kill is down. right?
ReplyDeletejust wait till he becomes president and you will not believe what will happen. Something like moving Camp David to Kogello?.... is not very far fetched.
Besides, rather than argue about what Obama SAYs, why not consider what we KNOW to be factual? For instance:
- simba/thingira in Kogello - YES
- Father was a Kenyan - YES
- Blood relatives in Kenya - YES
- Smart brother - You bet!
Need I say more.
You are so stupid...You and that young man who spots a funny hair style are tribalist to the core. Kwani its only our shit that smells? When Kajawng does it,thats a minor case. Hes hould step aside and be investigated !!!
ReplyDeleteAnd did you see the young mans father during his home coming? No wonder the young man has got his priorities wrong.style up
So Ababu Namwamba is an ODM MP representing Budalangi? Oh I see.
ReplyDeleteWonders never cease and i only thought that Taj Mahal was among the only wonders of the world. (Oh it was a thought) Anyway back to the post...Knoppix i agree with Shiko..You have put it well, kwani ebu i ask you were we supposed to give Ababu's shoe number....LOL
ReplyDeleteMrembo i think i will start charging you people, Shiko included. Anytime you disappear and appear you will be fined (Pink Chama at work)...Speaking of disappearance acts....Where is Fave?
Taabu/Knoppix set up a committee to probe the whereabouts of one Fave.
Usiku mwema bila nightmares and if by chance you have any....Know the blanket was stolen. Adios
Ivy
I always thought that Ababu Nwamwamba wants to become the official Leader of the Opposition after Raila snubbed him in not appointing him to become a Minister (Portfolio Youth and Gender). As Ababu said in one interview: his second name is AMBITION and therefore not even the sky is his limit. Something else comes to my mind in connection to him: was he not accompanying Marianne Briner when she gave evidence in Nairobi as her lawyer trying to show off to the Committee and made some stupid speeches until he was told by Sunguh to please keep quiet since this is not a Court. Was Ababu not also the one who filed or better tried to file a Defamation Suit against Biwott at the High Court, and lost it because he had based the suit on an Affidavit and did not realize that this document had a priviledged status and therefore the Court had to dismiss the case based on legal grounds? I would say, all this certainly gives him the qualification to become the future President of Kenya.
ReplyDeleteVikii your are an imbecile to the core. You don't fail to amuse many of us as to what your motives are!! Is it your desire to belittle the MP for Budalangi or it is just the usual display of arrogance as many of your ilk do?
ReplyDeletecan see some people smarting from the after shock effects of Ababu.
ReplyDeletewe could rightly call this the "shock and oohh campaign"
Uhuru broke the law as pointed out, can we have some action
Anon 9:22 Ababu has a right to practice his law profession the way he deems fit. It doesn't matter whether he represented a crook because even murderers have a constitutional right to representation and I can also opine that it didn't matter whether he lost a case on some legal technicality because some of the best known Kenyan advocates do lose cases in courts on similar legal technicalities.
ReplyDeleteRight now what matters to us is whether he is serving the Kenyan public interest or not since that is the reason he was elected as the representative of the people of Budalangi. Just a reminder, many of us here may not be aware that the people of Budalangi are part of the entire Kenya and as long as their MP is serving the people of Kenya, Budalangi people will continue to feel that they are being served as well.
KIMI, THESE ARE EXCERPTS FROM YOUR RESPONSE TO SOME QUESTIONS I HAD ASKED EARLIER (NO AM NOT PICKING ON YOU).
ReplyDelete...Kalonzo as President is just your worst nightmare....
EXACTLY, BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS STATUS QUO, HE HAS NO NEW IDEAS...SOMETHING THAT IS UNPALATABLE TO ALL. KALONZO IS A GUY WHO WOULD BE HAPPY SITTING AT STATE HOUSE AND HAVING TRADITIONAL DANCERS SING HIS PRAISE THE WHOLE DAY. SEE THE WAY HE SMILED FOOLISHLY DURING THE CHOREOGRAPHED 'KALONZO FOR 2012'ENDLESS HOMECOMING PARTIES.HIZO POROJO ZA MOI, HATUTAKI.
...The reason Kalonzo will inherit Kikuyu votes is....
BECAUSE HE SANCTIONED THE THEFT BY KIBAKI AND WE KNOW HE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LET THEM ENJOY THEIR ILL GOTTEN WEALTH.
....being a Njamba is not the primary criteria for inheriting Kikuyu and GEMA votes, it is the ability to earn their trust and confidence such that their extensive commercial interests, in all spheres, will be LEFT ALONE and that there will be NO DISCRIMINATION...
YOU HAVE SUPPORTED PART OF MY RESPONSE ABOVE. AS FOR TRUST AND CONFIDENCE, AII! DO YOU KNOW ONE JULIA OJIAMBO?
... with Uhuru probably as a powerful Prime Minister to ensure those interests i spoke about are taken care of.
I THOUGHT YOU PEOPLE TRUST KALONZO ENOUGH, MUST A KIKUYU LURK IN THE SHADOWS? WHY NOT MWAKWERE OR SOMEBODY FOR PM.
..Raila would never make Uhuru or Karua a Prime Minister or even a VP. We all know his dictatorial streak.
NO WE DON'T...I KNOW THIS OLD BORING THEORY HAS BEEN REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES BY KIKUYUS. WHAT HAS HE DONE TO MAKE HIM A DICTATOR. PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT NOMINATIONS..
...Raila is a divider not a uniter.
AII, DIVIDES WHO? WASN'T HE ABLE TO UNITE 6 PROVINCES TO SEND THE OLD MAN BACK TO OTHAYA?
..Kalonzo is miles ahead of Raila as a Uniter and has already proved it.
TELL THAT TO THE BIRDS. WHEN HE CAN'T EVEN CONTROL 15 MPS, LEAVE ALONE THE COMMUNITY, WHAT MAKES HIM A UNITER?
..Just look at Namwamba's call for Uhuru to be censured in parliament, WITHOUT BEING HEARD, for merely exercising his powers when he was Local Govt Minister.
HEARD BY WHOM? WHEN HIS ACTIONS REEK OF IMPUNITY. WHY IGNORE THE LIST FROM ECK ? WHY DELETE SOME NAMES THAT HAD BEEN PROVIDED BY PARTIES (DOES HE HAVE SUCH POWERS?).TRUE, HE HAS SOME POWERS, BUT THERE ARE CLEAR GUIDELINES REGARDING THE NUMBERS TO BE NOMINATED, DEPENDING ON PART STRENGTH.
..Do you believe Namwamba is acting alone?
ARE YOU TRYING TO QUESTION HIS INTELLIGENCE?
...How come Raila has not seen it fit to ask Uhuru to explain himself?
ARE YOU PRIVY TO ALL THE COMMUNICATION FROM/TO THE PM'S OFFICE? TELL US MORE PLEASE.
..This is what i am talking about. Raila does one thing in the open and other things underground, that is why he lied to Kimunya he would follow him to parliament to help defend him.
WHAT ARE THESE THINGS HE DOES UNDERGROUND? LIED TO KIMUNYA? THAT WAS KIMUNYAS EXPLANATION. KWANI WHO IS KIMUNYA TO TELL RAILA WHAT TO SAY OR DO? AM SORRY, KIMUNYA HAS TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF OR FOR THE PERSON HE IS TAKING THE BULLET FOR. WHY NOT ASK THE ONE WHO MADE THE DEALS WITH LIBYANS TO 'COLONIZE' KENYA.
...How on earth do you trust ANY deal with Raila? It is only the dunderheads like the fellows around Kibaki and those who want to install him as a Kikuyu Elder who believe you can trust and do business Raila. Just ask Moi.
THIS IS NOT BUSINESS MY FRIEND, THIS IS POLITICS. WHICH DEALS HAS KIBAKI OR ANY POLITICIAN HONORED IF THERE'S NOTHING IN IT FOR THEM?
...Kalonzo would be a good leader for the country because he would be able to defuse the incendiary atmosphere currently being witnessed and he comes across as more diplomatic and non intimidating.
WHAT HAS HE DONE TO DIFFUSE THE TENSION? WASN'T HE BUSY JETTING IN AND OUT, RUNNING TO WHATEVER CAPITAL TO INTRODUCE HIMSEL AS THE VICE PRESIDENT. WHY DIDN'T HE SEE IT NECESSARY TO VISIT IDP CAMPS WHILE KIBAKI WAS HIDING AT STATEHOUSE, TOO EMBARASSED TO SHOW HIS FACE.
..He does not exude malevolence, hidden malice and spite like the hypocritical Raila does.
OH! STILL WATERS RUN DEEP. KALONZO WILL DO ANYTHING TO OCCUPY STATEHOUSE. THE SORRY TALE OF JULIA, MAANZO AND CO IS STILL TOO FRESH TO WISH AWAY. HE WENT AS FAR AS CONNING CHURCMEN TO SUPPORT HIM, WHILE ALL ALONG HE HAD MADE DEALS WITH KIBAKI. AS FOR THOSE VISITS BY MUTULA TO KABARAK..LET US SAVE THAT FOR ANOTHE DAY.
ANYWAY, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR MISSION TO SELL KALONZO. YOU MIGHT WANT TO START WITH UKAMBANI.
Dear Kumekuchans, I am completely out of order her but I am completelly appaled by the state of our higher institutions of learning In Kenya and Africa in General. Every year African Universities have ranked poorly but there seems to be no intention whatsoever among the policy makers to address this important factor. I have read with utter disbelief the article on East African Standard this morning and I would like to request you guys to ponder on this. Parharps it should shift our focus from mainstream politics abit.http://www.eastandard.net/education/InsidePage.php?id=1143989877&cid=316&. That is my submission. What is the way forward.
ReplyDeletePhil, In fact you are the imminent pre-Madonna of stupidity and first class idiocy. If Kajwang is your cousin, I will understand. If not, then let him face the music. As for Obama, 'our American', you must ask yourself why the man believes his Kenyan past is his most pronounced obstacle. All he has gained from Kenyans is sperm and continuous bad press.
ReplyDeleteWhy don’t you Kenyans shape up and give your prodigal 'son' a helping hand. Instead, people like Phil are hear encouraging Kajwang to take over the job of junior characters in his ministry. You see that is the amazing wonder of the world; that no matter how wrong a politician is, his constituents will always back him.
Phil is a prime example.
Anon 9:57 says Instead, people like Phil are hear encouraging Kajwang to take over the job of junior characters in his ministry.
ReplyDeleteNobody is encouraging Kajwang to take over anybody's (even if that person is your uncle) but it is the constitution that provides the minister with the power to exercise discretion in case some aggrieved person appeals to his office. If anybody has a problem with him exercising such powers as provided for in the constitution is call for an amendment to that section or appeal to the President's office to exercise is executive powers to reverse the decision.
You see that is the amazing wonder of the world; that no matter how wrong a politician is, his constituents will always back him.
I think what you are talking about here does not in anyway applies to Kajwang because he has never gone back to his constituent to back him or he would "rather die than resign". Do not feed us with your imaginations instead provide us with facts and we will debate them here.
ODMites,
ReplyDeleteOnly in Kenya can a shetani lawyer, like Kajwang', who survived by robbing the dead can be made a minister and put in charge of national documents. It goes to tell the amount of contempt Molasses Raila has for our beloved country.
These are the effects of having MPs as ministers. And in Kenya, not only do you have to be an MP but from the right tribe.
ReplyDeleteIt is unfair that Kikuyu ministers are cited here but considering that all the top ministries are held by MP of the Kikuyu persuation, there is little chance that they MP for gender and sports will be under the microscope!
Kibaki is unable to trust any other MP from the other tribes with the top ministries. That is just the reality of the fractious nature of his government.
What needs to happen is for MPs to be law makers and civil servants to be ministers appointed by the president and vetted by parliament as an over sight.
Tobias Nyumba - I felt obliged to provide a response to your observation about our African Universities.Allow to share with you to share with an experience of a friend of mine who recently obtained a Ph.D. and because of his patriotism decided to go back and find away he can make a contribution to our beloved country. The best offer he was given was to volunteer to supervise some masters students. In other words there are no jobs for those who are coming back with there sophisticated training from the West in our local universities. On a similar front he shared with me a situation where another friend of his and his wife (inter-tribal marriage) who both came back with their PhDs applied for jobs in the same Universities but to his amazement only his wife was getting acknowledgments and interview appointments. The interesting part is that the wife was a Kikuyu and the guy was not.
ReplyDeleteI believe with these two scenarios you can understand the basis of rot in our public universities. Remember most of the so called Professors have not published in over a decade and do not read the latest publications. To make matters worse you and I know that materials they are using for teaching are outdated. The other gross failure of our universities is that they do not want to employ new people to take up academic and research just as pointed out in the Standard article. How do you expect these institutions to improve?
My take is that the government needs to come up with a higher education policy document that will guide these universities on how to go about recruiting new academic staff, provide them with incentives so that we can building a base for our own local research targeting local problems that require homegrown solutions. Lastly, universities should apply meritocracy in all their undertakings because that is what is going to open up opportunities for international collaborations that may attract external funding.
Having been to University both in Kenya and abroad, I hate to admit that the teaching at home was mediocre. That is the painful truth.
ReplyDeleteAs you rightly observed, the situation is unlikely to improve until some fresh ideas are accepted and adopted. Unfortunately, some of these 'fresh ideas' come with exposure.
The 1950s professors who only have a title to their names are partly to blame for our sorry state.
and then we have one prof wanjohi who by virtue of being kibakis confidant despite messing up is still kept on the mess up even more. such are the leaders of institutions
ReplyDeleteis there any wonder
for ODM, a vote of no confidence on Uhuru is not necessary and they won't carry it out. Just degazetting the councillors is a good enough show that impunity will not be tolerated. Karua can go after Uhuru's neck at a later time when presidential seat heats up.... enemy is from within.
ReplyDeleteI know of this Prof who used to provide those so called notes of the 1950s to a tutorial fellow to dictate to his class until the university council realized what he was doing and started to investigate him. He was later hounded out of the university but I can't help to wonder the magnitude of damage he caused to his students. I also know of some professors who used to take up consultancy jobs with some international organization I used to work for in Nairobi but now I look back and ask myself how these jobs were in anyway benefiting there students. Personally I think that is a gross violation of one's profession and a pointer to the level of rot in our universities. I don't want to get into how science research is almost none existent in our African universities.
ReplyDeleteShiko , why do you believe this woman from central , it could be a luo man posed as a kikuyu woman ,my pont is their is a lot of phony people on the web so read all emails with a pinch of salt,
ReplyDeleteno one has claimed shiko is from anywhere apart from you , you neanderthal
ReplyDeleteneanderthal
ReplyDeletemende wew im talikng abot the purpoted email from a woman in central , read the post befor you go to the comments section ,panya hii
The thing with our universities is that in as much as the professors are mediocre, so are the administrators and of course the students. I spent one year in Main campus and thank my lucky stars, other opportunities opened.
ReplyDeleteFor the professors, I have never seen a group of lazy demoralized pseudo- professionals. I mean, their chancellor was Moi. At that time the complaint was lack of monetary recognition. This for the most part turned many into sex pests and substitute teachers at Universal College among other 'accredited' institutions. Some like Saitoti dashed off campus in Volkswagen beetles and became overnight billionaires. To me a professor must be above ridicule…after all they are guiding future leaders. If Kenya's leaders are deficient today, it is because they mostly went to Kenyan universities.
As for the administrators, take a walk to the registrars office. Honestly those chaps in there are ex mitumba dealers. It took me about three months to receive official transcripts. Most universities outside of Kenya produce certified copies instantly.
As for the students, shortcuts is the order of the day. Few indulge in the studious nature of high school finalists. I'm sure some folks from my era are still in junior year.
That is not to say that all systems have broken down. I'm sure there's been some improvements…but where?
bw panya hii
ReplyDeleteit appears you read a different post and hit the wrong comments section yourself.
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Kalamari you hit the nail on the head. There was this Civil servant who went back to the university as an in-service student to pursue a degree program and I could not help to wonder how rusted she was on many things because I used to do her a favor by coaching her in my free time. I knew how she was performing in most of those courses she was required to take in order to graduate. To cut a long story short, we were shocked to learn that on graduation day she was amongst those top Upper Second Class holders. To this day none of my classmates can be able to explain how this came to happen and we believe that something was provided in exchange for the illegal "upgrade" she received and this must have been done under the knowledge of someone in administration which had nothing to do with the professors.
ReplyDeleteThe rot comes from all directions.
This is the latest news from Nairobi appearing on eastandard about UK. Read on.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1143990321&cid=4&
Is there any more hidding place for mr Kenyatta? He is laid bare! COme on his defenders!
If this is not tribalism what is? Out of a list of over 120 illegally norminated councillors UK could only get one poor Luo gal. Agaist 53 from Central province! Ngai mwasani. This is gluttony to the extreme!
ReplyDeleteAnon 1:51 - that is the kind of evidence that we need to apply heat on some of these leaders instead of uncalled for tribal-based rhetoric or someone asking who Ababu Namwamba is! Now MPs have the right to investigate and take appropriate measures against UK if can be confirm that he used impunity in some of these decisions.
ReplyDeleteNow,that the 'stronger than Raila PM under a Kalonzo presidency'has been caught with his PANTS AND EVERYTHING DOWN, the haters will resort to their usual abuse and personality attacks.
ReplyDelete...and did someone say Censure motion is next?
Please pass me the popcorn.
While it is worth while to recognize the problems bedeveling our universities from top to bottom, I think it is a waste of time to fund them. Let them rot and decay until they can no longer run and then sell them off to the highest bidder.
ReplyDeleteMore and more Kenyans are opting for private colleges. The difference between a university and a college is that a university has a research department while colleges do not. So in effect, those going to Uganda for college are not missing much but rather getting better bang for their shilling.
If our universities are unable to compete globally, then we shouldn't waste time funding the same professors and administrators and hope for them to do a better job.
Papa Plus i agree, may we get the services of one Amos kimunya he needs to do us that favor of selling these universities to the libyans or chinese whoever so long as they give us the money we need and who knows maybe just maybe we might .....Be having Uon IPO, Egerton IPO soon.....And as usual Kenyans will be lining up in their hundred to buy shares....LOL
ReplyDeleteBy the way how much is one safaricom share right now....Si kwa ubaya
Ivy
Anon @ 9.54.
ReplyDeleteYou think Kalonzo represents the status quo and his most formidable potential rival in 2012, Sibuor Raila A O`dinga, doesn't? Newsflash Mister. Nobody on the horizon is capable of changing the status quo including Sibuor RAO, who hasn't changed anyone's status in Kibera in 16 years. Sibour RAO does not represent change, is in fact a member of the wabenzi class, and change to him is about who sits on the throne, period.
As for homecoming parties, Sibuor RAO has just come from attending the latest in Mogotio on Sunday where he had to explain himself to the extent that his Authority is recognized in Govt. Who is the porojo exponent now? Did he have to explain himself in such demeaning terms?
Kikuyus will support Kalonzo because they trust him, far more than they would ever trust Raila. That simple, that clear. In fact, the Kimunya saga merely reminded them of what Raila is capable of when he orchestrated the baying parliamentary mob that hounded Kimunya out without being heard.
The Julia Ojiambo example is naive and misplaced. Ojiambo wanted a senior position without any commensurate clout. What was she bringing to the ODM-K table? Prestige? Gender? What? If she was shortchanged, she deserved it. Politics is not for nuns.
With regard to Uhuru the GEMA face and his place in a Kalonzo Govt, there is a saying that goes: Trust, but verify. Kikuyus will not give Kalonzo their votes and then naively rely on his goodwill not to shortchange them, it will be a scratch my back i scratch yours deal, and Uhuru has to be in a position to scratch Kalonzo's back on behalf of GEMA, capisce? That is called realpolitik. The GEMA learnt their lessons well after trusting Moi in 1978 and then bearing the brunt of his oppression for 24 years. This time, they will ensure their interests are taking care of at the high table. Ultimately though, when it comes to preference, Kalonzo is much more attractive to Kikuyus than Raila could ever be. Like i said in another post, if Raila wants Kikuyu votes, he should start by earning their trust, and orchestrating demonisation of their reps in Govt like Kimunya and Uhuru is cetainly the wrong way to go about it. It is the Kikuyu man in the street who will determine where the Kikuyu vote goes, and so far, Raila hardly inspires confidence and has a mountain to climb. Perception is everything in politics. Hounding Uhuru now only makes him a victim in the eyes of GEMA rank and file and raises his stock amongst them. Talk about ODM overreaching.
Whoever gets the block GEMA vote is a shoo in for President. Your promotion of Mwakwere as PM is therefore quite daft and misplaced from a GEMA perspective. How does Mwakwere take care of their interests?
Stop trying to defend Raila's dictatorial mien. What was the ODM nomination fiasco all about if not dictatorship and why should i not bring it up? You should argue like a grown up. He did not unite 6 provinces either, but incited tribes in those 6 provinces against one community, the same community he is now in bed with in Govt. That incitement was certainly not in the interests of national unity, it was in fact setting the stage for the breakup of Kenya. That is why ODM MPs led by the Sibuor do not want the Ethnic relations bill to pass as it will make tribal incitement a serious crime. Tribal incitement is ODM's most potent weapon, so it is natural they don't want to lose it. Are these the uniters you are talking about?
Regarding Namwamba, why is he calling for Uhuru's head before he can defend himself, yet defends Kajwang who overruled professionals in his Ministry? Since when was Kajwang an expert on immigration decision making that he consistently gives away permits despite contrary advise? You think Namwamba is intelligent? The guy cannot look beyond his nose. He is unwittingly building Uhuru's profile. Politics is not academia and you must look far ahead, not just at your dickhead as you pee on someones reputation.
The rest of your arguments are factless heckling and i will not respond to them. Suffice it to say, Kalonzo WILL be the next President of Kenya all things remining constant for one simple reason; the GEMA/Akamba alliance is much more potent than you realise. Even Mwau's drug money and Ngilu's spiteful venom will not be able to stop it. Have you noticed their silence? The alliance is not as shaky as the Western Alliance, whose core groups are not as united as they should be with only the Luo being solid. The Luhya are fickle and unreliable, as ever, and getting the long term attention of the Kalenjin is akin to trying to wash a cat. Time will tell.
Anon 9:54....Relax i personally love your comments and i didn't hear any heckling....Remember that saying set a thief to catch a thief...A heckler brands another a heckler...Move on they are better things to do as Taabu says copying a vernacular Bible is time well spent....spare yourself ranting and raving it doesn't suit you...Leave it to the experts/tribalists to the core. Dont stoop so low
ReplyDeleteKimi,
ReplyDeleteDid you say ....The GEMA learnt their lessons well after trusting Moi in 1978 and then bearing the brunt of his oppression for 24 years....
That betrays what you believe in bro. You often come out forcefully arguing your case but that gives you away big time. It is called curse of misplaced entitlement. The siege mentality you are moulding is pedestrian and wont wash. You can propagate it all the much you wish with all the commensurate pomposity but just like the stillborn Bantu baldash the kite won't fly.
But don't get distracted keep on trying you never know. Reasoning by displacement only helps is defeating your original objective. You package the KM for 2012 so nicely it would make your street sources award an Oscar. Nice try.
This Kimi idiot talks like Kikuyu discourse and notions are the alpha and omega...KALONZO will never be President of Kenya. He only won half a province. Perception is what it is all about, he is past his sell by date.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 1:12, thanks for the advise.
ReplyDeleteActually meant ADVICE.
ReplyDeleteTaabu, i can't have something to betray or give away if i am hiding nothing in the first place. I just say it as it is and if it makes you uncomfortable, tough. You ODM fanatics have such a warped sense of self worth you like to make believe that what drives reality is only your truth and that is the only truth. Well, my dear fellow, that is called tunnel vision, and like a riderless horse, it will drive you over the precipice. You won't even see the precipice loom as your obsession is to ride on and on until exhaustion. Well, happy jockeying, just don't starve your horse, stop for some water at least and take a breath.
ReplyDeleteFor your information, the GEMA do not have a siege mentality, far from it. What they have is a healthy sense of self preservation. Once bitten, twice shy. Ama? Whether it "washes" or not is really none of your business. I am not even trying to convince you to believe it, i am just telling you WHAT IS. Whether you believe it or not is immaterial. Just stick to what you do best as ODM, inciting tribal hatred and bigotry, it just may win you a few friends, here and there, seeing as how the Kipsigis are now about to bolt the Sibuor complex.
Bantu balderdash? What on earth are you on about and whatever for? Oh well, you probably got carried away. No surprises there, guess you are used to it.
Anon @ 7.37AM, when you are through with your intellectual masturbation, come and sit down with real men and lets discuss.
Kimi, shouldn't it be prima facie? Why are you ranting and raving, looking for validation and justification here? I think you meant to type "KUMEKUCHAS", back to you den boy. We are tired of your tirades, almost come off as if you are PMsing, not that there is anything wrong with it.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 1.15PM. I respectfully and humbly decline your kind invitation to join you down there in the sewer pit to a mud wrestling contest with the pigs. I cannot stand the pong, too posh you see. Have a wonderful time all the same and i hope you come out tops.
ReplyDeleteKimi,
ReplyDeleteYou are one articulate chap, take from me. Only your brand of self deception reeks. Did you say
.......For your information, the GEMA do not have a siege mentality, far from it. What they have is a healthy sense of self preservation. Once bitten, twice shy........
Another brand of deception. I hope you are OLD enough to recall home GEMA has voted in 1992/7/02/07 and disabuse yourself of the hypocracy. You can still chose to deceive yourself in coining the seige mentality. It won't wash bro, sorry to rain on your party.