This afternoon 'President' Mwai Kibaki made a live broadcast address to the nation:
" I am pleased to announce part of my Cabinet. In forming the Cabinet, I have considered the importance of keeping the country united, peaceful and prosperous under a strong, broad-based leadership. I am accordingly, naming the first half of my Cabinet as follows:"
(1) Vice President and Minister for Home Affairs - Hon. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka,
(2) Minister of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security, Office of the President- Hon. Professor George Saitoti
(3) Minister of State for Defence, Office of the President - Hon. Yussuf Mohamed Haji
(4) Minister of State for Special Programmes, Office of the President - Hon. Dr. Naomi Namsi Shaban,
5) Minister for Public Service, Office of the President -Hon. Asman Abongotum Kamama,
6) Minister for Finance - Hon. Amos Muhinga Kimunya
(7) Minister for Education - Hon. Professor Sam Ongeri
(8)Minister for Foreign Affairs - Hon. Moses Wetangula
9) Minister for Local Government - Hon. Uhuru Kenyatta
(10) Minister for Information and Communications - Hon. Samuel Lesuron Poghisio
(11) Minister for Water and Irrigation - Hon. John Munyes
(12) Minister for Energy - Hon. Kiraitu Murungi
(13) Minister for Roads and Public Works - Hon. John Njoroge Michuki, MP
(14) Minister for Science and Technology - Hon. Noah M. Wekesa
(15) Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs - Hon. Martha Karua
(16) Minister for East African Community - Hon. Dr. Wilfred Machage
(17) Minister for Transport - Hon. Chirau Ali Mwakwere
In brief, the president is telling ODM, President Kuffour, Gordon Brown, Desmond Tutu and Madam Fraser and all 4.5 million Kenyans who voted against him - YOU CAN GO TO HELL, I AM PRESIDENT.
Even as ODM shows goodwill by suspending protest rallies, the president is throwing mud at them by recalling parliament and naming his cabinet. The questions is: Is there need to continue negotiating with an individual who has shown over the last five years that he cannot honour agreement??
Analysis and comments to follow.
Kibaki and the people around him are truly out of touch with reality. It will be instructive to see how Musyoka has any morals or backbone or not- will he accept his nomination or refuse it?
ReplyDeleteKibaki is asking Kenyans to sit in silence as he acts as dictator...wait for the country to erupt in the near future.
ReplyDeleteKenyans do not despair: DIVINE INTERVENTION will dole out justice in due course.
ReplyDeleteYour class, your caste, your country, sect, your name or your tribe
ReplyDeleteThere's people always dying trying to keep them alive
There's bodies decomposing in containers tonight
In an abandoned building where
The squatters made a mural of a Maasai girl
With fifteen cans of spray paint and a chemical swirl
She's standing in the ashes at the end of the world
Four winds blowing through her hair
But when great Satan's gone, the whore of State House
She just can't sustain the pressure where it's placed
She caves
The Bible's blind, the Torah's deaf, the Koran's mute
If you burn them all together you get close to the truth still
They are pouring over Sanskrit on the ivy league moons
While shadows lengthen in the sun
Cast all the school and meditation built to soften the times
And hold us at the center while the spiral unwinds
It's knocking over fences, crossing
Four winds, cry until it comes
And it's the sum of man
Slouching towards Nairobi
A heart just can't contain all of that empty space
It breaks, it breaks, it breaks
Well, I went back by rented Cadillac and company jet
Like a newly orphaned refugee, retracing my steps
All the way to Kisumu to commune with the dead
They said, "You'd better look alive"
And I was off to old Eldy where a genocide sleeps
In the black hills, the bad lands, the calloused west
I buried my ballast, I made my peace
With four winds, levelling the escarpments of the great valley
But when great Satan's gone, the whore of State house,
She just can't remain with all that outer space
She breaks, she breaks, she caves, she caves.
Anon @ 7.52: yes, will Musyoka accept or refuse. He is the same character who yesterday asked the President not to name his cabinet before negotiations.
ReplyDeleteLet us see if he preaches water and drinks wine.
Anon @ 7.52: yes, will Musyoka accept or refuse. He is the same character who yesterday asked the President not to name his cabinet before negotiations.
ReplyDeleteLet us see if he preaches water and drinks wine.
What sort of evil advisors does Kibaki have? This is no the time to jump the gun. All this gamesmanship can only exacerbate things. NOT NOW! PLEASE!!
ReplyDeleteMy fellow Kenyans: Kibaki has just named the M.P.s who will not survive the next election.
ReplyDeleteThat cabinet list is a political death wish; Kikuyu or non-Kikuyu.
Phil,
ReplyDeleteNow you understand my frustration. That is why i am skeptical - the Cellar groups advice will come to naught.
Now, tell me. What next? Lets just go ahead with the mass action. We need a strategy for breaking the will of the GSU. Any suggestions?
Wakenya tuombe, nchi yetu isiangamie...
ReplyDeleteSo no Luos in the cabinet?? I think cessation.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, let us see if the most religious and honest democratic fighter of the poor with extreme auspicious scouting abilities, i.e. Kalonzo Musyoka, will accept to serve in a government of thieves.
What remains now is the jostling of the remaining cabinet positions, an event orchestrated to bring out the greed in ODM. In my estimation, Raila's fist error was dropping the demand that Kibaki must resign prior to negotiations. It may not be very clear now, but such a blunder pretty much legitimizes Kibaki.
Mass action is the only solution. It's either mass action or lets burry the dream of change and concede to the powers that be.
-Andy Capp-
My oh my! Doesn't Kibaki make the Moi years look golden.
ReplyDeleteThe petition, KIBAKI MUST STEP DOWN, http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/kibaki-must-step-down/signatures.html is really going fast.You will see the figure reaching millions of signatures in just a week
ReplyDeleteKenyans of all goodwill have been signing.
I am not sure if Kibaki is interested in Kenya and I am wondering why he should behave like this.
This guy needs some "Adjustment" and political pressure.
I have no words....
ReplyDeleteI just feel sick to my stomach.....
I am glad Kibaki went ahead and named the cabinet BEFORE the negotiations.
ReplyDeleteHE HAS SHOWN HIS TRUE COLOURS. I HOPE HIS SUPPORTERS ARE PROUD OF THEIR BOY!
Yap!!!! Hope Kibaki supporters are proud.
ReplyDeleteWe have a man for whom national integration means nothing and democracy even less.
Phil,
ReplyDeleteThis is madness. You are right he is not up for negotiation at all.
Tabia aina dawa is all I can say.
Things are getting from bad to worse. I am gutted.
Kalonzo must have been consulted before the appointment. Now who is opportunistic? In a weird (wicked?) way, this is good - as 8:03 has observed - Kibaki has shown his true colours and his lack of regard for the greater good.
ReplyDeleteKalonzo Musyoka, his supporters and those others named in the cabinet do not have any dispute with the president. They are qualified, very qualified for the jobs offered to them. They do not need any instructions from ODM members (who feel Kenya revolves around them) to join or not to join the government. Phil says some 4.5 million voted for Raila Odinga. Well, the truth of the matter is that the 4.5 million you are talking about actually voted for Kibaki. As you rightly say, there is no point of negotiations about the elections or composition of the government. We have wasted a lot of time discussing non-issues. Let's move forward. Like I said, anybody not happy with what is happening has the right to proceed either to court or to hell.
ReplyDeleteGOD'S JUSTICE WILL RAIN ON THE UNJUST (and their enablers).
ReplyDeleteVikii, Vikii, Vikii spare us! We are not idiots.
ReplyDeleteDemocracy suffered an assault and right-minded Kenyans feel insulted.
Vikii we all know Kalonzo's professional POLITICAL PROSTITUTING has been going on for some time. We don't doubt his professional prowess in that area.
ReplyDeleteIt has obviously borne fruit.
Vikii,
ReplyDeleteLeave those of us who love our country to do something about it. This far, you are the most un-patriotic person i know.
This selfish idiot will burn this country to the ground, watch what happens? Whay we have witnessed so far in terms of violence is nothing compared to what is coming. He should have never done this before mediation. NO, everyone knows what are hsi real intentions, this madness must stop. Kenyans must come together to cripple his government completely. International countries must denounce this government and put on the record they do not recognise it as "legitimate"..
ReplyDeleteThis is blatantly telling Kenyans go and do what you want, we will kill, maim and enrich ourselves when we want and how we want!
We need mass protests all over the country and continuously cripple every avenue of this government able to function!
My bet is the hyena "Kalonzo" will take this post, he has never once said that this government is "illegimate", this is exactly what he was talking about when he said "miracles" will happen!
Exactly; whose next in line for admission into Kibaki's brothel?
ReplyDeleteVikkii, this is my first response to you: a 'go to hell' mentality like yours is precisely what ails the cradle of civilization.
ReplyDeleteKalonzo you still have time; TURN DOWN THIS APPOINTMENT AND SHOW KENYANS YOU CARE!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteMr. Anonymous, neither am I a foll. None of the 4.5 million and the 800000 who voted for Kibaki or Kalonzo is a fool. It is importat for you and your ilk to stop imagining you are the only Kenyans. You need to stop imagining you are the only one who matters in Kenya and you need to stop imagining you are any smarter than anybody here or elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteANY PATRIOTIC KENYAN: KIKUYU OR OTHERWISE WILL BE ASHAMED.
ReplyDeleteThis man is crazy!! Something is seriously wrong in his head. Why should we let these senile old men who have less than 5 years to live ruin our lives? There time is over, why are they so bent on destroying our futures? Will they take power and riches to their graves?
ReplyDeleteBy naming this cabinet Kibaki, Lucy and Michuki have shown that they carry no love for their fellow kikuyus who are being slaughtered. This should be a lesson to kenyans, we should stop voting for tribes but look at the individual. You voted en masse for a man who couldnt care less if you are killed and your property destroyed as long as he achieves his selfish and macabre goals. Kenyans of all tribes should unite to kick out these dinosaurs and stop fighting each other. They dont care about us! By naming this cabinet this man has shown that he is against peace and reconciliation.
Kalonzo will be putting his last nail on his political coffin by accepting that post, and all the others too, they can kiss politics goodbye in 2012 if they accept the posts.
Chirau Ali Mwakwere, the whoring old pervert caught on camera on k/street. This man presided over the disintergration of all courtesy and etiquette on our roads. He is back!!
MICHUKI, oh my God, I feel like vomiting.
Can anybody now come out and say with a serious face that he or she supports kibaki?
Tis a pity the likes of Vikii surround our senile president.
ReplyDeleteMichuki moved to avoid claims of genocide. Saitoti was rigged so it will be easy to manipulate to kill since they helped him rig elections, this shows their is still a major protest in the way and they are getting well prepared for it. Since they messed well in rigging, they dont want to leave any Kenya for anybody to lead and its quite clear now. This is the time, but I worry, the situation wont be good at all. When soberness returns, nomatter how many years it will take, somebody will come out and confess for miss-advicing the president. THIS IS FUEL ADDED TO THE BURNING FIRE.
ReplyDeleteThe nightmare is playing out as we speak. When will this end. I urge ODM restraint. Don't stoop to the level of bandits.
ReplyDeleteVikii, please give us viable options. The courts are a no-go-area for anti PNU/ODM-K operatives whereas Hell is where Kibaki sits. All the same, are you honestly happy and proud with the time-bomb Kibaki has created? Do you suppose there's any national healing needed?
ReplyDelete-Andy Capp-
When exactly is Saitoti going to retire? I remember him from my 8-4-4 days.
ReplyDeleteAndy Capp (Kalamari?), I have not said for once that I am happy with the situation in Kenya. But listen to Raila Odinga, who is leading the gang called ODM and tell me if he is genuinely interested in dialogue. He was invited to state house on Thursday and he said he is not going unless told to do so by John Kuffour (A guest of the state).
ReplyDeletewhile till on this, what does the forming of the govt by Kibaki have to do with any mediation with ODM? They have said they are not willing to join Kibaki's govt. So their talks can only be aimed at withdrawing hooligans from the streets and nothing else.
I am still WONDERING how Kibaki could have secured presidency in 2002 had it not been for RAILA and Rainbow dream.
ReplyDeleteAgain, does Kibaki have KENYA in his heart.When everything is getting back to Normal, international mediation is on course, Why does he assault the minds of Others.
On top of that, why were there no problems when Kibaki was elected in 2002 and there is a problem when RAILA is elected in 2007?
Keep Wondering with me at my Blog.
To hell with Gefaki Man. I may as well suggest to the Luos, Luyhas, Kales, Mijikenda, Somalis and all those in Mombasa to seal the borders. None of these sickheads ministers should come around your provinces. Even Gefaki himself should fuckin stay in Nairobi and Central for good. We don’t want him and his dictatorship in our land.
ReplyDeleteYes I’m saying this from my heart. If he is showing us this disrespect, then why don’t we disrespect him fully? Lucy, you last came to the western part of Kenya in December; make that the last one.
Mwai Kibaki and those ministers (Some of whom may turn down the appointments) are Kenyans. They have a right to not only go to those areas you have named but to also own property there. They need nobody's permission to do that unless they are going to their HOMES.
ReplyDelete"This is a country that is extremely polarised and there are some people who are extremely dejected by the performance of the Kenyan electoral commission," US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer said after completing a visit of western regions affected by electoral violence.
ReplyDelete"I think that you need serious reform of the political institutions and you need some process of political accommodation to lower the tensions of the population before a rerun of an election would be an effective measure of who should govern the country."
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gSgQZqEnFGp2qDy7PXl2WRy1KReA
This thing is just getting started!!
ReplyDeleteWell done Vikii. These ODM chaps think they can take over Kenya by force. Kibaki has done nothing wrong. If anything, he has left 16 seats open for mediation. I am told that constitutionally he couldnt open parliament without a cabinet. Why do ODM chaps cry foul when they also rigged in their areas? Why do ODM chaps think they are always right and it is their way or no way? Why do ODM chaps want to coerce Kibaki into running the country their way? They want to rule by proxy. To hell with them. Kenya mbele, politics nyuma!!
ReplyDeleteI WAS A KIBAKI SUPPORTER but I am disheartened.
ReplyDeleteThis sort of unilateral action and belligerence does not bode well for the future of this country.
Vikii; stop twisting the facts. ODM and all the religious groups invited had agreed to the Friday meeting with Kufuor acting as mediator.
ReplyDeleteTom and Vikii do not surprise me. Every dictator has his supporters.
ReplyDeleteExactly Tom. I for one would prefer an inclusive govt. But what is so fucking sickening is this stupid ODM mentality that their side enjoys 95% approval by Kenyans and so Kibaki should dance to their whimps. They say Kalonzo will lose in 2012 as if the ODM had anything with his getting elected. Let us face it, Raila and ODM enjoy the support of 43% of Kenyans. That certainly is not the proportion of the population that should get everybody coming for instructions from them. Kenya is and will always be bigger than the ODM or any other political party for that matter.
ReplyDeleteVikii the fact remains that the democratic process was derailed in 2007.
ReplyDeleteYou may rejoice now but the harm that was done will come back to bite you in the not too distant future.
It would be nice if Vikii could write without effing...
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I have never supported a dictator and never will. It is you who is suppotrting a dictator of the Idd Amin model. Ask Musalia Mudavadi if you do not believe me.
ReplyDeleteIt also appears that Vikii does not realise that the figures she is quoting in support of Kibaki mean nothing.
ReplyDeleteTHE ELECTIONS WERE RIGGED - PERIOD.
Vikii you are supporting a dictator. Idi Amin was a dictator and so is Kibaki.
ReplyDeleteI find it interesting that you picked Idi Amin. Apparently, you subconsciously believe every Nilote is a dictator.
Vikii in short you are also a BIGOT.
There is nothing like some harm biting me. I am not planning to join government soon. I believe elections were rigged by PNU and ODM. I had nothing to do with either of those parties. I am a member of ODMK. When the two big parties rig the elections and the less smart one in the game of rigging loses then turns around crying foul, I cant help but laugh.
ReplyDeleteThere you go, u always dash to the "tribe" when you cant argue. I am a proud bigot then, a very proud one.
ReplyDeletePrecisely Vikii!!!!! Thanks for outing yourself. We have all been waiting for this moment.
ReplyDeleteVikii, I have always believed you were a bigot. My appreciation to you for vindicating me.
ReplyDeletedidn't you all read the report by the americans; the election was rigged by both parties. Which part of both parties don't you all understand???? The sooner you accept the fact the better. Accusations should go to ODM too. But then this is ODM blog, so they cannot be tarnished here.
ReplyDeleteKalonzo was in Kanu...Kalonzo was a high ranking Kanu official...Kalonzo moved from Kanu to Rainbow coalition...Kalonzo was part of LDP group that fell off...Kalonzo fought against the constitution in the referendum...Kalonzo had presidential aspiration in Orange Democratic Movement-K before it split...Kalonzo is now accused as a political Prostitute....
ReplyDeletewait a minute!!!...If you Replace KALONZO with RAILA...all the above statements are TRUE...They are all Politicians...and this is how Politics is done!.
Raila is not as clean either....Me believes that Raila would have accepted the VP post(or the non-existant PM post since Ruto will be in jail) but now that it is gone, we have SOUR GRAPES from ODM Chaps...come on be real!.
And I am happy that you are happy. I know you have been waiting for it because according to you all those who voted for Kibaki are kikuyus and all those who voted for Kalonzo are kambas. These must be very big tribes if your hallucinations are anything to go by. I remain Vikii, the bigot who is proud that we have a govt headed by a president legitimately in office. What's the next insult coming my way now?
ReplyDeleteKalonzo was in Kanu...Kalonzo was a high ranking Kanu official...Kalonzo moved from Kanu to Rainbow coalition...Kalonzo was part of LDP group that fell off...Kalonzo fought against the constitution in the referendum...Kalonzo had presidential aspiration in Orange Democratic Movement-K before it split...Kalonzo is now accused as a political Prostitute....
ReplyDeletewait a minute!!!...If you Replace KALONZO with RAILA...all the above statements are TRUE...They are all Politicians...and this is how Politics is done!.
Raila is not as clean either....Me believes that Raila would have accepted the VP post(or the non-existant PM post since Ruto will be in jail) but now that it is gone, we have SOUR GRAPES from ODM Chaps...come on be real!.
Unfortunately, the announcement of the new cabinet has already resulted in fresh breakouts of violence (BBC)...
ReplyDeleteMwandishi, Kalonzo's CV is even shorter than Raila's: Ford-Ford Kenya-NDP-KANU-Rainbow Alliance-LDP-ODM-ODMK-ODM. On top of that, as much as Kalonzo was a 'high ranking Kanu official, there is no rank higher than that of secretary general which was Raila's not so long ago. Who is a bigger political prostitute now?
ReplyDeleteNo sane human being can support kibaki after this, however heavily blinded by tribal chauvinism he or she might be. It is just impossible.
ReplyDeleteI am one of those who fell into the trap and voted for this monster but now i regret it deeply.
Raila should continue fighting for democracy peacefully, fight for the reduction of the salary of MPs and ministers and for the scrapping off completely of lucys salary. We dont need her she is doing us more harm than good so i dont know why we should employ her.
Raila should fight for democracy and expose corruption and if he doesnt win the elections with a landslide in 2012 I will burn my kenyan passport! Kenyans will prove to be very sick people with very short memories and extremely stupid when it comes to tribes and all that crap which doesnt put food on the table nor does it pay the rent.
The man doesnt care about us, our property is being destroyed and our peopel killed and maimed, why support him? He is using us, we should wake up and unite with other kenyans to reject these beasts.
God save this nation
ReplyDeleteVikii says 43% supports ODM, and that being the case, their grievances do not count, since the rest support Kibaki and Kalonzo.
For God Sake!
This thing is not about ODM or PNU or etcs. Its simply about the way election was handled.
Am i supposed to call a PNU supporter a thief since he supports the fact that Kibaki is in power, whether by robbery or whatever means?
Or am i supposed to call an ODMer a hooligan because they do not know how to protest?
The whole issue boils down to mistrust amongst ordinary kenyans. and yes it is 43% against the rest. That is 6 provinces against two.
Lets all put ODM/PNU aside. This thing is about saving this nation. let whatever sense of 'pseudo justice' be seen to be happening!
Mwana Ndizi: you miss the point entirely.
ReplyDeletea) ODM along with the invited churches and SUPKEM had agreed to meet Kufuor on Friday to negotiate with the government.
b) The point of the negotiations was not simply a GNU but constitutional and institutional reforms for the sake of all Kenyans and democracy.
What good is it, brushing away this problem when even ECK that all Kenyans believe is at fault is not changed? We wait for 2012 for a repeat of the same?
Vikii I hope you have seen the response to Mwana Ndizi above.
ReplyDeleteYour divisive politics are most discouraging.
Vikii, let us be sober today. In your opinion, what is the way forward? Would you prefer that we pretend there's no crisis and move on like nothing happened? If you accept that there's a crisis, is your only solution the court system? If so, are you suggesting that the courts are credible and will handle this issue with the fairness it deserves?
ReplyDeleteDo you consider yourself a constitutionalist?
-Andy Capp- Kala….
Constitutional reforms do not need to be arrived at in Statehouse. They do not need aided by people like John Kuffour. The last time I checked, that was the work of parliament. The Parliamentary select committe on the constitution can be reconstituted after which it can draw a road map to the overhaul of the constitution. What is the mediation about then?
ReplyDeleteVikii Kenya is on the brink of civil war now more than ever. The manner in which we conduct ourselves now is critical.
ReplyDeleteAs Andy Capp says, we all (PNU, ODM ETC.) agree there were serious problems with the elections. There are also serious problems permeating the very institutions that ought to be safeguarding democracy.
What is wrong with facing these problems head on for the sake of a peaceful Kenya?
Vikii,
ReplyDeleteThis is not good anyway you look at it.
If you look at the big picture,what is Kibaki planning for 2012 after all this drama?
Will ODM-K survive this on slot from PNU and KANU ?
What is Moi's hand in all this, now that he is back in Kenya from Germany?
What will happen to all the Kikuyus living in Rift valley after all is said and done ?
Will we ever trust each other as neighbors again?
Government of National Unity aka "NARC DREAM": we have been there done that and the results were not that pretty.
By the way isn't Kibaki head of something called Party of National Unity YANI "PNU"?
So why didn't it work?
Kalamari, before I give you my suggestion, I will challenge you to first give me a better route than the court route.
ReplyDeleteWe have had Raila Odinga and all the other fellows in parliament for decades, why did they not pass bills to the effect that all presidential appointments are supposed to be confirmed by parliament. You cannot keep crying the court system is rotten when you have been in a position to change that for sixteen years. IIt is just laughable.
OK, so now what do you propose Roy? All you are writing there are grievances but I am yet to see anybody tell me why it was wrong for Kibaki to name a cabinet.
ReplyDelete7 out of the 17 cabinet appointments are in critical places (e.g. security, roads, finance, justice, energy, president, local gov, etc).
ReplyDeleteand the 7 are all to people from one region.
was this the national face kibaki spoke of.
President- Kibaki
Finance- Kimunya
Local gov- Uhuru
Security- Saitoti
Energy- Kiraitu
Justice- Karua
Roads- Michuki
meanwhile, kamba got 1, kisii 1, turkana 1, taita 1, coast 1, somali 1, luyia 1, etc
while mt. kenya has 7. out of 17.
This Vikii is a Stone Age tribal pussyfooter who thinks by vomiting on people's shoes here in Kumekucha, she will seem to be tough. No wonder fools have the loudest voice. It was Hertzler ho quipped: "Why fools are endowed by nature with voices so much louder than sensible people possess is a mystery. It is a fact emphasized throughout history." Girl, it is not about ODM or Raila or such for your information, it is about our future we the Kumekuchans too and looking at how things are handled, it seems fossils like Kibaki and senior political masqueraders and prostitutes like Kalonzo don't care about the future of Kenya. A Kenya where our children will be born in, bred in and buried in. You are silly and saddening. Blind allegiance to certain people or unequalled hatred to others is a mark of fools whose inane heads are filled with unprofitable stuff. You can repeat yourself one million times vomiting on Kumekuchans as you foolishly tear into everyone who believes that Kibaki's step is not in the right direction, but no one ones expects tribal pussyfooters and Stone Age "intellectuals" of your ilk to give words of wisdom. If you think the fire that Kibaki is igniting is geniusness and a mark of bravery, wait for you shall see whom it consumes. Huh!
ReplyDeleteVikii regardless of what you think. The mediation efforts should have gone on. They would have resulted in a framework for legislative and institutional changes for the sake of democracy...a road map of sorts.
ReplyDeleteWe needed something our leaders agreed to work on in the short and long-term while life normalized.
The cabinet is a spanner in the works.
And do you anything better than those old tired defeatist fits of verbal diarrhoea??
ReplyDeleteThat's for you Caleb
ReplyDeleteVikii your political parochialism is one of the causes of the current crisis.
ReplyDeleteAs Caleb implies, this is not about PNU or ODM. It is about democracy.
We ought to have focused on coming up with concrete measures (ref. Anon @ 9.19) for posterity.
IF WE DEVELOP GOOD DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS - IT WON'T MATTER MUCH WHO CONTROLS THEM IN FUTURE.
Mr. Anonymous, tell me why you think mediation cannot go on with the announcement of the partial cabinet.
ReplyDeleteExactly Anon at 9.22, right now one of those institutions: ECK cannot be trusted.
ReplyDeleteThe incumbent always chooses its commissioners before jumping into the race as a competitor.
Surely, we need far reaching reforms.
Vikii,
ReplyDeleteAll the best, I hope the guys in Rift valley will see your point and not act in rage tonight.
Bottom line, you miss the whole point.
Congrats to ODM-K and see you in 2012 if your party will still be around after all this.
That is if we ever have another General Elections,GOSH !!!!
This is crazy......
Vikii the government is not interested in mediation. It has already announced that Kufuor will only be in the country for less than 24 hours.
ReplyDeleteThe cabinet is a SYMBOL of Kibaki's belligerence. Many Kenyans will perceive of it as such and therein lies the problem esp. because it leads (has led) to renewed violence.
Exactly Anonymous. And why do you think we cannot develop good democratic institutions after the cabinet is named? Parliament is convening next week and they can embark on just that. The ODM, the partyt that claims to be more democratic than all other parties has an overwheling majority in that parliament. That should get us "democratic institutions" within months if not weeks, dont u think?
ReplyDeletePhil: I share your anguish. For the first time in my life, I am unable to talk about my country in terms of certainty for a simple 5 years into the future.
ReplyDeleteVikii,
ReplyDeleteI give up. It is impossible to reason with ODMers. The claim Kibaki rigged the election, period. But, if at all Kibaki rigged, so did ODM, so that's a moot point. But they cant see that basic fact. They former PNU supporters who are now cowed into backing ODM cant see that ODM are the ones who started the violence, in the hope that it would cow Kibaki and kikuyus. I repeat, Raila and co will not force themselves to the country's leadership. Did you see how desperate Kosgey looked at KICC, no doubt thinking of all the billions he would loot from kenyans again?
But Anonymous, we cannot be guided by perceptions. Hooligans (You have talked of fresh violence) cannot hold people at ransom. Their violence is inexusable and mark my words, it will be short lived. For heavens sake we have a police force.
ReplyDeleteVikii you know very well that the party most interested in reforms: ODM does not have the numbers it needs to push those reforms through. Kibaki has shown his disregard for the law and since his election, he has shown he is not interested in working with others.
ReplyDeleteKenya is reaching a deadlock real fast and unfortunately, the President doesn't seem bothered.
Vikii,
ReplyDeleteI wrote to you the note below on Sunday but you conveniently refused to respond. Now I'm beginning to think I am a prophet (of "doom"). At that time it never occurred to me that Kalonzo would be that powrer greedy to even contemplate sitting with Kibaki on the same table. I now need a stronger word than "greedy" to describe him aptly. Please Vikii, use all the diplomacy and influence you can muster and tell that sadist of a man to refuse to take that job of VC until the elections fiasco can be sorted out by te many international negitiators who are 100 times better than him. If he boasts of helping in somalia and Sudan, why do we still hear of militia and Darfur crisis respectively. Being the prophet of doom that I am, I prophesy that Kibaki will give Kalonzo a hard time by ignoring him and listening to his golfing buddies. Kalonzo will be so isolated that he will begin to complain. At that time nobody will want to listen to him. He will start talking well of Raila and by then the 2012 elections will have arrived and he will have no chance of winning at all. ODM-K will have disintegrated and all his sychophants will have deserted him and joined Raila's side. WATCH THIS SPACE IN 2012!!!
"Hey, Vikii, help, HELP. You preferred presidential candidate, Mr. Kalonzo "Holier than thou, Diplomat, Mr. Clean, The Lawyer, miracle, wiper" Musyoka has arrogantly said the following:
1. That he does not regret putting pressure on Kivuitu to prematurely announce flawed results.
2. That he is against having international mediation in the Kenyan saga.
3. That ODM and PNU rigged results and he's the only one who played it clean.
4. That the suggestion of having a run-off between Kibaki and Raila will not work because (being the refined lawyer) he will go to court to say that Kibaki does not qualify for another term because he will have been sworn in office twice.
These things Kalonzo said ironically after attending a Church service today in which they prayed for peace, understanding and reconciliation in the country.
Kalonzo disgusts me every time he and his bootlicker Kilonzo open their mouths. I dare even say that Kibaki and Raila are power hungry, but he is power greedy. Does he realise that he can only talk on behalf of Kambas who make a paltry 4% of the Kenyan population? Why does he always pose like he is very intelligent, yet he is not? Why does he pose as a pious man, yet his fruits are green and with worms inside? How can he with one side of the mouth say that he is an experienced international peace-maker for Somalia and Sudan and with the other side say that Kenya does not international mediation? Is he aware of the quantity of blood of Kenyans that has been spilt by the mere announcement of Kivuitu's fake results as he arrogantly says he has no regrets for pressurizing him? Can you please tell Kalonzo that he will NEVER be Kenya's president? And please tell him to keep his big mouth shut while people mourn and try to think peace and reconciliation. Why are these Kambas {Kalonzo, Kilonzo, Kivuitu, Mutua, Kianga) seemingly enjoying the suffering of Kenyans? Infact, Kalembe Ndile is, surprisingly, the only Kamba who is currently speaking sensibly. Kalonzo must speak like a diplomat he thinks he is. he even lied in the press that he had met with Raila. Then I saw him hugging Koskey and Orengo while smiling wryly at them just before they were teargassed while trying to go to Uhuru Park yesterday. What will happen when Raila will, after negotiations or run-off, become the president? Will Kalonzo begin cheating us how they have always been friends with Raila so that he can be included in Govt? Atalia na jicho moja. Please Vikii, tell Kalonzo to smarten up, read the mood in Kenya, stop being power greedy and show some modicum of patriotism."
Vikii Kibaki ought not to hold Kenyans at ransom too. He has already robbed them and that is more than enough.
ReplyDeleteGuys,i have a feeling this Vikii woman is either Lucy Kibaki, Martha Karua or a daughter to either of those two insane women!
ReplyDeleteWait n see how she explodes when she reads this.
She needs to be in some mental institution.
Don't even try to reason with her...if she can control Kibaki and Kenya...do u think u can tame her?
She has totally lost it!
Biach!
I feel sad. There are many well meaning Kibaki haters on this blog. They have good intentions but lack balanced reasoning. The ODM propaganda machine has worked so well on them that they swallow everything anti-Kibaki with their mouths wide open, instead of checking facts and using balanced reasoning. If Kibaki is a dictator, Raila is a tyrant. Why should Kibaki play fair if Raila and ODM have never played fair? Why, why why?
ReplyDeleteRemember when Kalonzo was criticizing the Kibaki now he's ready to go to bed with him, I stated earlier that he would wait for orders form his daddy (moi) or wait for new one from his step-daddy Kibaki. Kalonzo has been exposed. Vikii I'll refrain from insulting you personally as it would not be worth the effort nor is it warranted, but your comments are quite provoking. I will however state that Kalonzo is a little boy not fit to lead, no wonder ODM-K was eager for the results to be announced as well, they had already cut their deals as many in this blog had predicted, his role in the rigged election was to split votes and then after performing fellatio on Kibaki and his key allies he would get his position. Now having "swallowed" his um pride his miracle has arrived!
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 9.30; In the past few days, Musyoka has shown himself to be the master of the equivocal.
ReplyDeleteHe has been speaking from both sides of his mouth to deceive Kenyans.
Well, the man believes he will be the next president. Unfortunately, he has proven us right these past few days: THE MAN IS NOT PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL.
Bishop Korir's perspective on Eld...
ReplyDelete2ndly, as Kivuiti asked, why did u peep not agitate for the passing into law of the IPPG agreement which was agreed in 1997 i.e. 10yrs ago?
The Kibaki we never knew!
ReplyDeleteMy fellow Kenyans: our country's politics is truly unpredictable.
ReplyDeleteThis time next year, Musyoka may not even be the Vice-President. He will have fallen out with Kibaki and fallen from dictatorial grace so hard we shall all be amused.
Mr Anonymous talking about Kalonzo, you are entirely entitled to your opinions. First of all, Kalonzo has the right to accept to be VP or turn down the offer. I cannot decide for him. About mediations in Darfur, I am yet to understand what you are talking about. What I can tell you for sure is that ODMK will be in existence long after the ODM is dead and burried. That you can take to the bank my friend.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7207720,00.html
ReplyDeleteSense, something that ODMers are incapable of. When ODMers are confronted with sense, they resort to the same old insults and hatred. They cant handle facts and logic. They know that hatred is their only weapon. First it was anti-kikuyu, now its anti-kamba, anti-kisii, anti-somali and anti-luhya, simply because people in these communities voted for kibaki or kalonzo. If not checked, ODM inspired hatred will consume all of kenya.
ReplyDeleteVikii first, it's not Mr. but Ms. and your Darfur comments make absolutely no sense.
ReplyDeleteMusyoka can go ahead and take the post. It's his legacy he is writing and boy isn't it ugly!!!
ODM guys amaze me. You fellows are so funny. Now tell me who started agitating for the release of the results. When Musalia Mudavadi, the impostor, was announcing results in Norfolk and their hooliganistic supporters going on the rampage in Kisumu over the 'delay' in announcing results,was that Kalonzo? "We demand the immediate announcement of the presidential results..." That was William Ruto just because their fake "ECK" at Orange house showed them leading. You cannot get away with these little double standards my friends no matter how hard you try
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 9.41; if you think ODM is solely to blame for the muck we find ourselves in then you are grossly mistaken.
ReplyDeleteIf those in govt. believe as you do, then the future of this country is very dim.
Vikii I am waiting for just one non-partisan comment on the way forward that has the interest of ALL Kenyans at heart. Just one sincere and patriotic solution.
ReplyDeleteLook at the posts here, there are many who have done so but you seem to be one of those unable to think about Kenya as a nation.
Nobody has said ODM is SOLELY responsible but they should stop thinking others are SOLELY responsible for the mess. You cannot play holier than thou when you are actually the one who taught others how to play dirty. U just cant.
ReplyDeleteMr Anonymous thinking about Kenya according to you is endorsing those warped opinions, that I will not do.
ReplyDeleteTell me which comments are those that show a way forward. I will be glad to read them.
Vikii:
ReplyDeleteI admire your tenacity. You should have realized that there is nothing Kibaki can do (short of a mea culpa and resigning ) that would appease some of the court jesters on Kumekucha.
Now that the killing has stopped (abated??) I am enjoying watching the strategic chess match that is unfolding. I must say that after initially appearing to be lost in the woods, Kibaki's moves of the last few days are looking increasingly astute.
There are some good moves that Raila can make but throwing his toys away and saying that he won't talk is not one of them in my opinion.
If there is nothing short of a total Kibaki capitulation and the coronation of Raila that will please folks here, then I must tell them well in advance that they will be disappointed. A negotiated solution is possible but that will involve give-and-take Kibaki will not walk away and hand the presidency over to Raila short of another election.
My thoughts.
-Silaha
Silaha, what i refuse is all this cheap intimidation by these characters. I wrote many commentys here couple weeks before the elections and said that when Kibaki wins,hooligans will take to the streets. I also wondered how anybody would honestly expect the president to surrender the presidency just because hooligans are looting in Nakumatt. That was weeks b4 the elections and my opinion of the ODM has not changed an inch. Very optimistic brothers these ones who expect people to get cowed by stones and insults.
ReplyDeleteI keep on reading the same old skewed, stupid thinking form people like Vikii. Lets put the facts straight, Kibaki did not get 4.5M votes, far from it he din't even make 3M. What you are talking about is what Raila got. So Kibaki never got any mandate to rule Kenya. Period. These guys think, a lie repeated so many times will become truth? Now they are adding a spin; ODM also stole the votes? Tell me, what power did ODM have to RIG?
ReplyDeletei think the best thing is just ignore her/it. she/it will finaly disappear concentrate on the task at hand and dont get distracted, action is now needed.
ReplyDeleteSilaha you are GROSSLY MISTAKEN. I am one of those who flew home to vote for ODM and I am hoping there will be a country for me to fly back to in 2012 to vote again.
ReplyDeleteI had long resigned myself to Kibaki for another 5 years. What I will do not wish to give up on are legislative and democratic reforms for the good of democracy.
My suggestion: let us start with ECK. We can no longer have a commission that is constituted by the incumbent.
Vikii I don't know how you simultaneously keep your head buried in the sand while keep on your knees at the feet of Kalonzo. You must be quite talented, based on your comments on this blog not smart but talented.
ReplyDeleteSilaha, I forgot to add I don't intend to waste an air ticket flying home in 2012 to vote if ECK will not have changed.
ReplyDeleteRhymemester you are in fact the person showcasing stupidity here. My dictionary defines rigging as manipulation of a situation or process for personal gain. That can happen regardless of whether you are in govt or opposition. The fake ECK at Orange House headed by Musalia Mudavadi tells me Kibaki got 3.7 million votes. Now you, the depity chairman of that illegal outfit say he did not make it 3 million. Are you fellows confused. Your computers are certainly reading from different scripts. You obviously have a different definition of 'stupidity' from the one i have and that is Ok in a di
ReplyDeleteSmart move on Kibaki.. Musyoka for president 2012. Way to go!!
ReplyDeleteBTW.. Obama is Odinga's cousin? This guy is sooo out of touch with reality.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7176683.stm
what a dumbass!
Why is Kibaki worried by International mediation?
ReplyDeleteOdinga accused Kibaki of trying to divert attention from Kufuor's mission by offering bilateral talks in what he called a "public relations gimmick".
"Clearly, he is extremely worried about an independent, international review of the election outcome," Odinga said.
WARNING 1:
"We will not attend the talks on Friday. They are a sideshow," Odinga told a news conference.
WARNING 2:
"The whole thing is a gimmick, the cabinet is a joke. We do not recognise the president and therefore we won't recognise his cabinet," secretary general Anyang Nyongo of Odinga's ODM told AFP.
WARNING 3:
"The cabinet is null and void because President Kibaki did not win the election and we shall not recognise it"
William Ruto, ODM
Warning 4:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7175694.stm
This is exactly what RO was waiting for. This is a huge blunder on part of Kibaki. Now lets open the flood gates of hell! RO has a much bigger resolve than what people think, and he has support of the Kenyan people and the international community. Let the game begin! I wonder how long Kibaki's regime will last! Any bets?
ReplyDeleteI have to go bu I will be right back hoping to find smarter people who understand a little more than cheap insults and unintelligent statements like 'Kibaki rigged, period'
ReplyDeleteVikii I hope your future blogs will press the Kibaki-Kalonzo govt. to make the necessary reforms.
ReplyDeleteI too flew in to vote (Los Angeles-Nbi really expensive). The unfortunate thing in all this is that PNU supporters don't see the need to change anything. They are happy with their cabinet and president.
Short-term thinking; long running and deep seated problems will continue.
1.If Kalonzo means well for the country, one would think he would insist first on Raila and Kibaki squaring out their differences before he joins his cabinet.
ReplyDelete2. Since he has indicated that ODM/PNU rigged elections and he his the only Mr. Clean, why is he accepting the VP offer to be part of a PNU govt that he agrees rigged the election? Talk about small talk by small minds!
Some people like Vikii can't answer simple questions:
ReplyDeleteQ1.
Raila won 6 out of 8 provinces.Kibaki won only 1.
How come he won?
Q2.
Raila's ODM got more than 103 seats in the parliament.Gefakis group won 43+some few from affiliate parties.
How come he won?
Q3.
How did Gefaki won when even
International and domestic observers have raised their concerns.
There are several reasons to be suspicious about the official results:
The results were delayed for more than a day, at a time when ODM candidate Raila Odinga was leading
Many thousands of people seem to have only voted in the presidential election but not the parliamentary or local polls held at the same time.
Some of these results came from areas known to be pro-Kibaki
In the parliamentary race, Mr Odinga's ODM won twice as many seats as Mr Kibaki's Party of National Unity (PNU)
Results in some constituencies were different when announced nationally, to when they had previously been announced locally
The head of the election commission has admitted that turnout in one constituency was 115%.
Guys. lets ask ourselves some pertinent questions. Much as it was a very serious question Chris asked, I couldnt help laughing. 'Nime Rig, Muta do?' and that question still stands. Whether we believe Kibaki rigged or not, apart from voicing our opinions here. What will we do? Or what will you do? I believe both sides rigged but its not possible to tell how much it affected the outcome. But like i said. We can argue here all we like. Tommorow we will go to work. And come home and so on for next 5 years. I doubt any of us here will be found in Uhuru park when theres bullets and teargas flying around so. What are we going to do other than talk?
ReplyDeleteSecondly. I believe a minister can only be appointed from SITTING Mps. Right now the MP's are not sitting. They are MP's elect? they have not been sworn in? Is it constitutional to appoint a cabinet before the MP's have been sworn in? Someone help me out.
Anon @ 10.07 I agree with you fully. If Kalonzo truly cared for the future of a country he hopes to one day govern, he would have pushed Kibaki and Odinga towards negotiations.
ReplyDeleteKalonzo has done very little since this crisis erupted. He must never be trusted with this country.
I've been following this blog and I realize that educated people here who ought to be guided by logic and not emotions are doing exacty=ly the same thing the tribal leaders are doing: being mediocre. Little wonder then that Kenya will never see the light of day with people like these either advsing the leaders or waiting to be tomorrow's leaders. What a shame!
ReplyDeleteMark, anon 10:07
Vikii,
ReplyDeleteI have already said that by being awake 24hrs in order to rubbish every comment here on Kumekucha will not sell your prepossessed and tragically wrenched points. Dismissing people as ODM hooligans is a base insult that unearths your level of intelligence, and I would remind you again that fools have had the loudest voice since man was created. There are many people who are really worried about the prospect of a civil war in Kenya and they have never been ODM supporters including myself. Despite that, if an ODM-er has a point, since he has a stake in the Nation, he/she must be accorded respect and his points take into consideration. Kibaki agreed to meet the Pentagon; then went ahead and made some jokes. It is tantamount to eating a man’s lunch, inviting him to dinner to appease him some and then proceeding to eat the dinner before he gets there. I don’t know if you were taught talking too much and simply resisting sensible ideas leads to victory (you seem be one). Then Kibaki filled all the important ministries and furthermore filled it will fellow tribesmen. It is a challenge to the nation and to all the sane Kenyans including myself who have supported him though I didn’t vote. If your father goes wrong, you must tell him the truth. I’m not fed by Kibaki nor Raila and whoever takes Kenya the Rwanda way will not get our support. The question is: who is more arrogant? It is Kibaki. You don’t leave your father beating your mum simply because he is your dad. You must admit that Kibaki is very wrong in appointing his illegal cabinet, and admit that his cabinet doesn’t represent the true face of Kenya and admit that he is being driven by arrogance and base desires that will make him come down tumbling like a house of cartoons, otherwise continue parroting here and dismissing everyone as if your intelligence is measured by how much you vomit on Kumekuchans.
No more need for talks. Kibaki has demonstaretd that the only language he understands is that of force. RO should move quickly to form a parallel government then take the fight to these traitors of democracy.
ReplyDeleteVikii you're insistance on provoking people with utter foolishness leaves me no choice but to agree with consensus. You really and trily are ONE FOOLISH BITCH, if you are so blessed to get married to a man who is not blind or retarded one day I wish that man or woman the best of luck because life with you must be akin to living with a mad dog. tkae care and seek help you stupid bitch and show some pride and stop sucking off Kalonzo.
ReplyDeleteRaila Odinga said he hoped international mediation could solve the crisis. He says the vote was rigged in favour of President Mwai Kibaki.
ReplyDeleteBut Mwai Kibaki is trying to play with FIRE.
"What Kibaki has done is really eroding the conditions for peace talks," Karuti Kanyinga, a political scientist at the University of Nairobi, said of the new Cabinet.
"For a government of national unity to have meaning, it must include Odinga and (Odinga's party), otherwise it cannot bring about reconciliation."
Before the elections, there were all these rumors about Kalonzo and the deal he had made with Moi and Kibaki (evidenced by the presence of mutula kilonzo as his mouth piece. During the vote count, mutula kilonzo was in the forefront insisting the kiviutu release the results. Does this announcement of Kalonzo as VP really surprise anyone?
ReplyDeleteAfter looking at that list. i am praying God that all will be fine, But iam afraid that things will get worse. This guy kibaki and his supporters will just sit in state house and loot the Kenyan state dry. I have never felt this helpless and afraid. parliament will bicker and not accomplish much while kibaki, his holier tha thou accomplice musyoka feast on the kenyan cake while the country goes to the dogs. We are headed for darker days than Nyayo's days for it looks like Kenya is headed for the rocks. God help us and do restore some sanity.
ReplyDeleteThis man from Othaya makes Osama look like the ice-cream guy. This is pure political terrorism, and we shall not let the axis of evil prevail.
ReplyDeleteA time will come, when we shall be able to assert with pride that we are Kenyan. Luckily, most of this guys are rather aged, so we shall not have to wait too long.
BARRACK OBAMA HAS REACHED OUT TO THE KENYAN PEOPLE (NBC News).
ReplyDeleteHe encouraged their leaders to sit down and negotiate a process that would result in formidable solutions for the way forward.
Unfortunately for us, Kibaki was never interested in negotiating.
Raila is the cousin of Obama who is also the cousin of Dick Cheney!. Raila claims that Obama took TIME OUT OF HIS CAMPAIGN to call him and ask him to offer peace.
ReplyDeleteRAO is deluded!
@Rendezvous: I don't know where you got your information but all everything that I have seen shows that Kibaki won 4 of the 8 provinces. (Although I am not convinced that he could really have won Nairobi -- how?)
ReplyDelete@kitumoja: Kibaki is worse than Osama? Are you kidding me? Axis of evil? Do you remember the 1998 bombings, the Kikambala attack? Come on, Let's keep ourselves firmly rooted in reality.
-Silaha
p.s. Now I'll be labeled a PNU fanatic, sigh...
Vikii has taken off after the heat became unbearable to him. We may look mediocre, but the people reading our concerns will see a common thread: Kibaki stole the votes in broad daylight (Moi was much better in this game than him), blocked any avenues for feedback, went ahead announcing and organizing completely oblivious of the reality on the ground, and now wants to put us to great embarassment by behaving badly in the presence of dignitaries such as Kuffor, Chissano, Frazer.
ReplyDeletePNU rigged the votes for ODM in some areas so that when the thing goes to court, they can say ODM also rigged-and they will have the "evidence." We were told long before the election day that PNU had sent people abroad to print counterfeit ballot papers. No alleagations were made against ODM pre-election. Even if ODM rigged, why then can't Kibaki allow recount /re-tallying of votes or a re-run? Could it be that PNU rigged more and will therefore still be guiltier? Kalonzo also suffers from guilt by omission. He knows rigging was done in his turf (read Kambaland) and he is not complaining because he knows what side of his bread is buttered.
By the way, is this the CLEAN HANDS cabinet we were promised? If Saitoti and Kiraitu are clean, then who is dirty? Secondly, if 17 Ministers are only half of what Kibaki intends to have as his cabinet, dose this mean that the full cabinet will have 34 Ministers? Kweli kazi inaendelea. He promised the women at least a third of the seats and a higher presence of youth. How many have you counted? Aaaah, I'm going to vomit.
Kalonzo, where is your miracle? You said you would pass BETWEEN Raila and Kibaki. Now you have gone BEHIND Kibaki. You shall not use the name of the LORD in vain, says the 2nd commandment.
Hey, Vikii, I simply can't understand you and your way of seeing things. I'm becoming Vikiiphobic!!
Silaha stop assuming ODMers are fanatics waiting in the wings to jump at everybody unreasonably. All we want are formidable long-term solutions that will serve all Kenyans in the long-term.
ReplyDeleteBy the way I responded to you above: Anon @ 9.55
anyone knows how to contact those who have been appointed in cabinet including Kalonzo? The fight for democracy and peace in Kenya is just beginning. We need to contact them and letthem know our displeasure. And if they do not turn down the posts immediately, wembe ni ule ule uliong'oa Awori na Tuju.
ReplyDeleteNa bado!!
Considering the rate of arrogance spewing from Kibakis prostate mind, we can only assume that he must now start strategizing on rigging the next election, assuming Oldonyo Lengai does not erupt (and I am not talking about the mountain).
ReplyDeleteTaking into account recent events, he cannot afford to loose 2012 to someone / anyone on the other side of the divide. If his "2012 project" (seemingly UK not KM)fails to hit the mark (kwaheri mapema), they might as well ALL get one-way tickets to some funny country in the Northern Hemisphere.
What if Kalonzo is not a traitor but a trojan? Time will tell.
One day Lucy should forget to take her pills and slap this limping man out of the Peoples House, I understand she gives a good slap.
SILAHA, your sigh is insulting to those of us who even though ODM supporters have been seeking a way forward for all Kenyans. So yes, like Anon@ 11.00 a.m. stop assuming ODMers are not interested in institutional and constitutional changes.
ReplyDeleteThis news is pretty disgusting, and evaporates what little faith I had in the US "mediator" who unhelpfully proclaimed rigging on both sides. Earth to Jendayi Frazer: people only rig elections when they think they are going to lose. Why would ODM rig when they were ahead by over a million votes the day after the election? And what is wrong with the President of Ghana's plane that it cannot get off the ground until Wednesday, when Bishop Tutu was in Kenya last week?
ReplyDeleteBlackwater Worldwide, the private security contractor (some say mercenaries), whisks beautiful American blondes out of Kenya as violence escalates.
ReplyDeletehttp://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/01/blackwater-resc.html
The misdirected hatred against Kikuyus is largely due to the actions of this keguoya sitting in state house.
ReplyDeleteIm not trying to incite anyone but that anger just went several notches higher. There goes the possibility of ever getting to the bottom of this quagmire.
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ReplyDeleteSeven Kikuyus out of Seventeen???!!!! Kiraitu??? Government of clean hands???? Raila has my perpetual blessings for a whirlwind of nationwide mass action activities. Kenyans must refuse this blatancy of tribalism and deceit.
ReplyDeleteFrankly, even PNU enthusiasts must be disappointed.
Okay sawa sawa! ODM'ers, KUMEKUCHA and all pro-ODM in this blog (Phil and Chris), the government and the Kenyan people have decided to move on with the peace and reconciliation efforts.
ReplyDeleteThis is to show that the propaganda being posted here is nothing but a lot of crap mainly from pro-ODM sympathizers. Kenyans are peace loving people and i will not be surprised if captain goes down the same route this Friday.
peweni!
Flash back to 1988. Kibaki was quoted saying that rigging requires intelligence!
ReplyDeleteHis people forgot this
THis is the most single factor that is taking Kenya to a civil war. What a tragedy
Whatever Kibaki and Raila agree, they must show the voter some form of justice.
The voters did their bit, but the politicians are trying to abuse their fundamental rights-choice and choosing of their leaders
Democracy becomes a victim here.
It is the Kenyan voter who lost on 30th December. Sadly, with a long term consequency to the various peoples of Kenya
Kibaki could not have done this without the full backing from United States, UK and the foreign investors. TheSE four groups of people ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND do not want Odinga in power. Full stop!
ReplyDeleteThe other tribes might as well hang themselves. Elites in Kibaki's group,United States, UK and the foreign investors have so much interest in Kenya's natural resources and they are not ready to share them with other tribes of Kenya. This regime is going to be ultra brutal!!!
Remember what happened to Patrice Lumumba and introduction of Mobutu.
Democratic Republic of Congo's curse has been it vast natural resources the WEST feels belong to them. There are slums everywhere in DRC while the resources are making foreingers and few elites in power very very very rich. The African in DRC have been brutalized by the Belgians, Mobutu and the western powers with interest in vast Minerals in that republic. This may continue untill all these resources are exhausted.
Too bad for those in Kenyans who wanted change. Well, it is not going to happen. So go home and wait for your death.
Oh no. Word from Nairobi is that the riots have begun again. Stoning of vehicles going on along Ngong Road.
ReplyDeleteI hope it is just isolated incidents.
Kalonzo has officially accepted the VP post and promises to bridged the gap between Kibaki and Raila.
ReplyDeleteHe was very happy at the appointment and people from his region are over joyed at his appointment.
-KTN-
The big question is how long before Kibaki turns against him ?
Or is this a plan to back Kalonzo for 2012 against ODM?
That is what you call having the BALLS to go ahead in defiance!
ReplyDeleteExcept, you must know the actual powers behind these balls, America, UK, European Union,..., who knows...
There is order to what appears to be madness... this is actually his exit strategy. have Kalonzo be president when he resigns midway.
ReplyDeleteYou have to look at this treachery by Kalonzo in the context of this statement he made sometime last year during the wrangles in the then formidable ODM-K.
ReplyDelete“Raila has refused to make me President, so I too will not make Raila President” end of quote.
His actions of urging Kivuitu to declare a winner in a flawed poll and accepting the VP’s position are effectively the last nails in his political coffin.
Rabet
For all who are wondering Vikii is a man. Nonetheless, Caleb and anon@10:18 comments are on point!
ReplyDeleteKenyans: Aluta Continua!!!
ReplyDeleteKibaki is blind but sly: But open your eyes and PROVE ME WRONG in the year 2012.
Kalonzo will accept the vice-presidency on Thursday 10th of January or earlier. But in 2011 January, Kibaki will throw him out of the cabinet will be replaced by Uhuru Kenyatta.
Uhuru Kenyatta will contest presidency and will "win" in 2012 after a more intelligent rigging involving IT-professionals. The country will be in a mess and more than 5000 people will die, mainly Kalenjins, Luhyas, coastal people and Luos. Our country will see a crisis not yet seen in Africa before.
Fellow Kenyans, do you want this future for your children? Why is it important to you that this or that individual from this or that tribe rules? Is it not important that politicians respect the constituition of the land?
What matters to me is that any president follows the regulations set down. Fellow Kenyans, Kibaki, Kalonzo, Uhuru are proving to us that they dont respect us (we are the country).
Find away of protesting, your tribal interest should not overrule your intelligence. THINK deeply to heal Kenya.
Kimani
Equality + justice + equitable distribution of resources + government for ALL Kenyans + 3 TRULY separate and independent arms of government = PEACE and LONG TERM PROSPERITY.
ReplyDeleteIf anyone of these elements is denied, a different, fatal result will rule the day i.e. civil war, anarchy, etc.
Peace to all!
ODM's ethnically focused election strategy, time to go back to the drawing board...
ReplyDeleteThe good work must go on regardless. the country will not stand still as we await for raila conditions to be met.
ReplyDeleteAs I told you, kenyans are looking for somedirection and the way forward on this issue. At the same time we want justice for all kenyans but not the point where the country is ina total stand still. the economy cannot be left pending for raila to be formalised as the president.
Naming the cabinet is not really an issue now whatever and the timing of it is meaningless to the issue at hand. Kibaki did the right thing, otherwise we would have an economy with no direction and lots of strive on top.
Lets step into another chapter "justice for kenyans" my dear kenyans. whoever the president is Kibaki or Raila, let us not fall into propaganda that will lead to the downfall of this great nation
Look now who is behaving like green horns? ODM.
ReplyDeleteWhile ODM is sitting pretty waiting for "talks", PNU is busy entrenching itself. Where does ODM get this crazy idea that Kibaki is going anywhere? Where? Do you think Kibaki will leave the presidency willingly? Kibaki said so many times before the elections (and most of you thought he was senile, that "mtakaa hapo hapo, sisi tutakaa hapa hapa.." )
ATI: US/UK want talks of peace! Wake up, even the US is fighting in Iraq, for "freedom", they say. Yet here, ODM is being made to think that peace is the all too valuable must have. If people of Kenya (non GEMA of course) feel they have no freedom, do you have to get a Mzungu to tell you what to do?
Who would have questioned the Mau Mau fighting for their land and freedom? Only the oppressors of that time, the British. Who will question if the Kaleos, Luos, luhyas are fighting for their freedom? The Oppressors of course. That people, if the reality.
Vikii is a man, Kibaki is a mzungu, Raila is a saint, savior and redeemer and Kivuitu is a very fair young man, plus Chris of Kumekucha is PNU enthuast who loves peace in his blogs(born again), and Marianne Brinner is a virgin, Sam Okello is a ugandan pastor (wait, that is true, so I guess I have to change that...)...u see the drift right?
ReplyDeleteAnnon @ 12.39 I agree, at the end of the day the cabinet of the people will be elected in due course. However, i do not disagree with the current cabinet and I have faith that sense will prevail in Friday's meeting. The good work must go on with or without Kibaki or Raila.
ReplyDeleteMR Odinga knows very that Kibaki had no choice but to name a cabinet. Any rensposible leader will do the same thing otherwise we will have a country withoput a direction or a way forward. without a cabinet, there would be chaos and more internal instability. I think it was the right thing to do while we sort out the Kibaki/Raila Issue
ReplyDeleteWell spoken and people should not forget that, you have to fight to get what you want - people yarning for a good fight should stand up and start being counted , we have listened to so much talk and only shit is being thrown on our faces - i wonder how many will turn the other cheek. Get real people organise
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ReplyDeletePlease get the point right. The matter is not between Raila and Kibaki.
The matter is between Kibaki (the thief) and the majority of Kenyans. If you dont sort out the root cause of this matter then you will encounter more ugly events in Kenya in the year 2012.
Criminals should not be left to go scott free, otherwise many immitators will follow.
Kimani
Guys vikii as i know him is a child of the kenyan corrupt elite and he understands too well that without kibaki his parents cannot enjoy their ill-gotten wealth hence will not reason or be objective.
ReplyDeleteany kenyan willing to fight this foolish old man devoid of intelligince and detached from the reality on the ground to join me. We shall not win justice by speeches.show me any demecracy that came without shedding blood. lets be bold and be ready to die for our country.out of 17 ministers 7 are kikuyus, i have had enough any kikuyu who wants to stand out to be counted this is the time.
ReplyDeleteThanks to Ruto's activities...
ReplyDeleteThe Bishops congratulated President Kibaki on his re-election for a second term of office noting that Kenyans had experienced expanded freedoms, peace and rapid development in the last five years of his stewardship.
The Bishops were Silas Yego of the Africa Inland Church, Cornelius Korir of the Catholic Diocese of Eldoret, the moderator of Reformed church of Africa Joseph Murpus, Stephen Kewasis of the Anglican church, Geoffrey Songok of Reformed church of Africa and Thomas Kogo of the Anglican Church.
News just in. Kalonzo has accepted his position:
ReplyDelete"We have been consulting, we have been in touch with other parties," he said. Kalonzo, who was on Tuesday evening appointed the Vice-President, said he would use his position to reconcile the country, which has been rocked by political upheaval since the announcement of presidential results.
"As a VP I want to take a lead to reconcile this nation to ensure we have a safe and prosperous country," he told The Standard at his Karen home. Thanking President Kibaki for the appointment, Kalonzo said his party’s position has not changed, saying he has been on record for a coalition government with any party.
Those Bishops are Moi stooges... Obviosly you see the desperate hand of the old man in this... I though he was busy getting a heart attack.
ReplyDeleteTodays churches are part of the state just like missionaries was part of the colonialists , for people to think, thier actions should always be viewed with suspicion - separate church and state
ReplyDeleteYou will never see a slim preacher, they are always fat and very, its a biz just like selling newspapers , how many have gone to pray in the slums with all the missery there / NONE
ReplyDeletetoo much talk wont solve our problems, we are now brazing for the real fight any body man enough,to put too talk a side and enlist.talking to kibaki is like talking to a brick wall
ReplyDeleteAm amazed that kibaki did not appoint Moi his VP! Speaking of the devil; where the hell is Moi?
ReplyDeleteAnyway, Kibaki is simply consolidating his government. Expect some ODMers to bulk at the 17 ministerial offers left and the over $10000 a month salary plus stipends. Kibaki is banking that Kenyan's greed over their patriotism and so called democratic principles. Soon, Raila will be left in the cold all by himself.
Sad but true.
Advice the people you can reach to have whichever weapons they can use to fight the GSU, you definitely know the best ones. It is enough, lets spoil it for all. We (if lucky to survive) will start from zero, the Rwandans are doing it now. No better time to fight shall come apart from this. THIS COUNTRY HAS TO BE FREED FROM DICTATORS!
ReplyDeleteRight on brother, he made a bad move. He has opened two fronts against him
ReplyDeletethank you if dont fight for our rights now kenyans will never ever trust the power of the ballot,we have friends in the forces too we call comes they will be on our sides.
ReplyDelete@Anon11:00 & @Anon11:03: Poleni if I insulted you, that was certainly not my intention
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. We need long term institutional solutions.
@Vikii & @Anon10:18: Surely we can post here without saying that "we hope smarter people..." or calling people "bitches". I know these are passionate times but, surely, please.
All: The game is indeed getting interesting. I see one face saving way for everybody to get out of this and that is to implement the 2002 MOU. EMK-President, SKM-Vice President, RAO-Executive(?) Prime Minister, William Ruto hopefully in Kamiti.
To President Kibaki: You have Saitoti and Kiraitu in you cabinet, what happened to clean hands? And are Michuki's hands not bloodied by the 500 lives that were lost to extra-judicial executions prior to the election. Is your word still not worth very much?
-Silaha
in dues course we shall open the fronts to stop this theft of our inherent democratric rights, moi tried to stop us and failed, yet he had more powers than this tribal stooge
ReplyDeleteits useless rationalising and reasoning with this despotic tribal government.We have done that already for the last ten days. We are asking all kenyans bold enough to join the fight.
ReplyDeleteIt is indeed a very sad day for Kenya when people calling for arms or some sort of military action do not sound extremely irrational. My friends, let us choose to avoid violence.
ReplyDelete-Andy Capp-
Can somebody speak to their relatives in the to take this as a fight against all kenyans and that they need to revolt IMMEDIATELY. In times like these some will be counted as heroes, others as cowards, but victory shall BITTERLY come for those who will be like to survive to see it. I agree with the person who talked of the fight IS NOW. LET PEOPLE SHARPEN THEIR CRUDE WEAPONS, for this fight. Explore ways of getting better weapons and let Kenya go down in history too. Those who will survive will build a better sensitive KENYA, may be the name will also be changed. AMEN!
ReplyDeleteI mean relatives in the armed forces to fight this fight from now on till the filth mad pple in statehouse come to normal.
ReplyDeleteSilaha - I beg to differ with your use of the term "game". I know what you are trying to say but this is not a game for the disenfranchised, and those under threat.
ReplyDeleteKenya army. Navy, airforce, police....... wake up everybody, lets we be caught unawares. Too sad but it has to HAPPEN.
ReplyDeleteWe have so many sympathisers in the armed forces,anybody afraid of fighting should also stop thinking peace will come thro foreigners when there is no goodwill from one side. The time is now kenyans must arise, this the historic our of need.
ReplyDeleteWe kenyans have refused to be cowed.We fought moi we shall fight kibaki,anybody thinking of justice to be got in the boardroom is blind to the reality on the ground.This war is far beyond Raila and kibaki its about winning back the trust of voters to have confidence in future elections.We know where it hurts most. dont be surprised when the police, the gsu and the army refuse to take shoot to kill orders.
ReplyDeletehttp://kenyanentrepreneur.com/
ReplyDeleteafter reading this you will see all plans are in place and that they are also trying to put KIKUYU/KAMBA army men together to gang against others. Our army men must rise and let all systems go. Till there is democracy in Kenya, lives be lost as price. The lucky to survive shall remember the path, long and painful but has to be done.
anons@1:20pm,1:21pm,1:25pm, what did you expect the Bishops particularly the one from Eldoret to do when Ruto and his militia are burning women and children in churches? The consequences of Ruto's action is he has reserved a spot for himself in Kamiti Maximum. He might want to start his campaigns and rigging plans for the wafungwas early whom he will be representing in Kamiti.
ReplyDeleteIs William Ruto A Dead Man Walking?
ReplyDeletestop aportioning blame, how come no one is talking of the burning of a church in kibera by mungiki? what about live bullets used on peacuful demonstrator? if kukuyus want there kingdom they might as well stay in central kenya and rig elections there? 7 kikuyus in in 17 man cabinet payed for the all kenyans whose rights have been raped is despicable. we are ready for war braze yourself loud talk wont help its too late for that. We know where it hurts the jigger infested maggots more
ReplyDeleteRemember those death raw convicts who were left out by the state just before elections, the state claiming they escaped - think again before you start blaming pple - but I still maintain bishops are a sham. The state calls them in to pour ice on the wounds they have inflicted - the oldest trick for Governments in distress is to kill thier own people and blame it on thier so called " enemies ". This Govt is so determined that they will kill thier own and blame it on others, THATS WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH
ReplyDeleteThe only organisation that could perpetuate the crime is GOK - Like any crime analyse the motive, opportunity and reason, I dare put it to you if it was Ruto he could have done it before the election to create mas exodus , but the timming was just after the election and organised with precision - covert operatives - to divert attention of the fix the GOK was on and justify the killings and extra judicial activities the govt was doing. Analyse the motive and oportunity before you apportion blame.
ReplyDeleteVery soon you will hear treason decress and ppple starting to disappear, watch and see - The people in GOK now are back to make money what is freedom of speech. Lets see how Kalonzos wealth will quadzillion in the stock exchange will others wealth is zeroing due to inflation.
ReplyDeleteNations have done worse to its citizens and always when a leader is in a fix during / after elections and his hentch men are afraid that iif they leave power they will be severly punished for thier crimes
ReplyDeleteSHOCK AND AWE - same strategy is working here
ReplyDeleteYeah, I understand every unprintable adjective in the English language has been used to describe me for refusing to view the world through ODM's tiny lenses. I have no apologies to make to anybody. I do not buy that movement's way of seeing things and never will. Can someone once again tell me why Kibaki was wrong in naming his cabinet and how that becomes a justification for hooliganism and thuggery?
ReplyDeleteVikii can you chat now? I'm online-manzi wa Nyeri
ReplyDeleteCalling you unprintable epithets is not smart. But maybe telling you that Kibaki never stole the election is. And may I add that he's perfectly in order to call the Parliament to session, and to use the GSU to disperse protesting Kenyans, and to form a Cabinet before mediation, and to name as vice president a man who brought in 17 MPs, and to dish all the crucial Cabinet posts to Kikuyu henchmen, and is now set to introduce impunity in Kenya. All that is just fine with you, Vickii, because you know what? The dictatorship of a brother is not dictatorship. But what will you say when the shoe is in the other foot? Maybe you think you'll be dead by 2017 and you won't have to witness a reversal of fortunes. I pray that God give you a long life.
ReplyDeleteI spent a few hours this evening googling Mutahi Ngunyi and I am amazed at his prescience.
ReplyDeleteI have a write up on him on my blog. Read it and join me in saying "Wow!"
Here is a sample of his words written before the election.
If ODM wanted to ‘win’, they should have planned to ‘lose’. And if they had ‘lost’, this country would be in a different place today. The uprising against Kibaki and the only province that voted ‘Yes’ would have been overwhelming.
If you drive the Kikuyus against you in an election, their numbers will frustrate you. With the magic of incumbency, all Kibaki needs is an alliance with a small tribe and he has the election bagged. This is why an alliance between him and Kalonzo Musyoka would be sexy.
[Addressing Raila] Kibaki will not win this election. You will lose. My hunch is that your lack of inhibitions will result in a fatal error.
If you become King, it will be because the Kalenjins said so. Of the ODM vote, 50 per cent is Kalenjin. In other words, they have 50 per cent share in ODM. They are not voting for Raila: they are voting against President Kibaki. It is a protest vote.
Similarly, they have gleefully settled on the idea of William Ruto becoming president in 2027, after you and Musalia Mudavadi. Sir, this kind of high sacrifice does not make sense in politics. My conclusion? The Kalenjins are deeply wounded by Kibaki.
My counsel to you is this: Keep them hostage to the anger against Kibaki. Their wounds must not heal, and they must not break away from the anger spell. This is important because, apart from the anger, they have nothing else against Kibaki.
Can someone once again tell me why Kibaki was wrong in naming his cabinet and how that becomes a justification for hooliganism and thuggery?
ReplyDeleteIt was wrong because with just a little consideration he would have realized that it is a bad provocation at this point in time.
And I'm not looking through tiny ODM lenses. We did vote for Raila but not because we were so enchanted by him. As my husband - a Kikuyu - so aptly put it: we don't know if we can trust Raila but we know for sure we cannot trust Kibaki. As for me he was out of grace the minute he cuddled up with Moi, honorless old hyena.
As it seems now, neither Kibaki nor Raila give a hoot about the people, certainly not for the small people.
All they want is power, both of them.
I feel sorry for my husband. He suffered a great deal under the Moi regime, then found out that Kibaki was nothing but a cheap Kenyatta copy and now he realizes that Odinga plays the tribal card to heat up tribal warfare even worse than Moi did it in 1992. And folks in Kenya still have not learned that in the end there are only two tribes in the country: the rich and the poor.
At times I wonder how he keeps his Kenyan pride upright.
Sorry but I'm mad as hell!
I have never seen stupid idiots who are on govt payroll arguing so childish and senselessly as some of the comments above. They did this before elections but still ODM had the majority votes, so they are hecklers paid to give hope to a dying regime. WAR IS INEVITABLE HERE AND SENSIBLE PPLE CAN SEE IT COMING FASTER THAN ANTICIPATED. Best silahas are sold at easily, pple need to know this so they can start accummulating good stock. Pangas are only good on one to one. Asere mag sum are also good in the rural areas, but not on joteko mag serikal. Experts on gik ma imuocho need to give clues as well.
ReplyDeleteI am not Jaluo and so I do not understand this crap. I may be under govt payroll, but then what's wrong with being an employee of the government of Kenya? Mnanishagazaga tu sana nyinyi watu. You are funny creatures.
ReplyDeleteSam Okello, my brother, you are entitled to your feelings just the same way I am entitled to mine.
ReplyDeleteOr should I also say Asere mag sum, joteko mag serikal,gik ma imuocho
Erokamano, kiny jaduong ---whatever all this rubbish means.