Poll shows that 94% want fresh presidential polls
A reader here made a suggestion recently that amazed me. Before I tell you why it shocked me let me tell you what the suggestion was.
That retired President Daniel arap Moi be brought back to run an interim government to prepare the country for fresh general elections.
WOW!
Okay the fact that fresh elections is the only way to solve Kenya's problems right now is no longer in doubt. Even a vast number of Kenyans are beginning to see that. The KTN news at 9 pm carried out a live SMS poll last night asking Kenyans if they favored a repeat of the presidential elections. An amazing 94% of the respondents said YES and only a paltry 6% said NO. I can authoritatively tell you that on the ground Kenyans are more than a little fed up at the circus that has been going on since the beginning of the year and want fresh presidential elections to sort out this crisis once and for all.
Having said that, everybody knows that President Kibaki and PNU do NOT want a repeat of the presidential poll for obvious reasons. But it really is only a matter of time before Kenyans go to the polls. The reason is simple. Two provinces cannot hold out against the remaining SIX provinces for too long. Mark my words.
Currently PNU strategists may look very clever but when history is written they will be viewed as fools for the simple reason that had they agreed to share power equally with ODM the President would have in all likelihood completed his 5 year term (which he is very determined to do even if it is at great cost to human life). However since that did not happen, they will lose even that 50% of the power and most analysts agree that there is no way the current government can survive beyond the next 12 months. Military and security might or no military and security might.
Back to the Moi suggestion. The reason it amazed me so, is that it is now settled in the hearts of a vast majority of Kenyans that President Moi was a much better leader than President Kibaki. In other words the bitter truth (for some) but nevertheless the truth is that for the last 5 years or so, we have had NO leadership in the country. Mwai Kibaki is NOT a leader and time and again he has failed to show any leadership. All his rabid supporters have no genuine solid arguments to prove his leadership qualities except the fact that he comes from the same tribe as they do.
I find the Moi suggestion absolutely fascinating for several reasons. To start with Mwai Kibaki's chief adviser at the moment is none other than retired President Moi. Secondly Moi has to go down in history as one of the most corrupt African leaders ever. I mean the guy used to accept cash taken to him in brief cases. The testimony of Paul Kamlesh Pattni and that of Ketan Somaia has proved this beyond any reasonable doubt. Amongst the many evils Moi did, one of the worst was to literally destroy the Coffee industry with the sole motive of neutralizing the economic might of the Kikuyu tribe whom he was always terrified of. So the entire country suffered massive losses of income and jobs so that Moi could deal with the Kikuyus. For the record it didn't quite work the way Moi wanted it to. Instead of rushing to kneel before Moi (Baba na Mama) the industrious house of Mumbi quickly shifted to the horticultural industry and ended up making even more cash directly exporting their products all over Europe and beyond.
But despite all that, a sizable number of Kenyans obviously miss Moi badly at the moment. Politics is just amazing folks, is it not?
Still in my view the reader who made the comment was thinking in the right direction. What Kenyans need to urgently do at the moment, as painful as it will be, is to get rid of all leaders that have a fanatical following on either side of the political divide. That means President Kibaki, who is fanatically supported by the Kikuyu and a few of their Mount Kenya cousins and sadly the winner of last year's presidential elections, Hon Raila Odinga. The you have to add William Ruto to that list. Most faithful readers of this blog are fanatical Raila and Ruto supporters. And I agree it will be a great injustice to deny Raila a chance to get back the residency he genuinely won last December. However my plea to them is that Kenya is bigger than all of us, including those politicians we love so much.
I am well aware that fanatical supporters of these individuals I have just mentioned are already seeing red and will probably not get to read this paragraph which explains the solid reasons for my suggestion. The truth is that it would be suicidal to go back to the polls with both Kibaki and Raila running for president. It will NOT heal the country. Instead it will just open up old wounds. What we need are candidates who are able to garner support across the current political divide.
But even before that there is the tricky question of an interim government to run things and prepare the country for elections. That government needs to be very neutral and acceptable to both sides. Actually there is no alternative but to seek help from outside. I want to suggest what may sound ridiculous and is certainly not in the beloved constitution, but is the quickest way that the country can prepare for fresh elections.
A way must be found to constitute an interim government made up of eminent persons from Africa whose main task will be to police a free and fair election. This group should get the blessings of the African Union. Interestingly the AU at the moment is split right down the middle with some countries like Uganda fanatically supporting Kibaki, while others like Tanzania and Rwanda are with Raila Odinga and ODM.
Thank you for reading my pipe dreams. But I hasten to add that plenty of pipe dreams I have written about in this blog have become reality. I have a funny feeling that this one too will join the list.
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You know I can actually see Kenyans clapping and celebrating if Moi were to come back on an interim government tickedt..pipe dream or not I am ashamed that I even have to contemplate this
ReplyDeleteThanks Chris for stating that Kibaki and Raila both who have fanatical following should now get off our backs and disappear to oblivion. However, Kibaki has already ruled for 5 years (bitter pill to swallow) while Raila still daydreams that State House should be his by birthright.
ReplyDeleteIt's finally dawning on many Kenyans now- Kumekucha- included that Raila unlike Kibaki may actually NEVER occupy the big house on the hill.
Chris is definately a late convertee to this solid home truth (however late) which we have been drumming out loud and called all sorts of names over it. Karibu nyumbani Kumekucha. Sasa wewe ni wetu!
Nimesema!
M-Pesa.
Nbi Kenya.
That is what i said in an earlier post. Annan refused and i imagine will refuse again to come and explain to us the letter and digit that we dont understand in portfolio balance and 50-50. Let him come and head a team that constitues the interim government. We can get equal number of representatives from each ODM and PNU. Annan seems to be the only African so far who can handle some Kenyans.
ReplyDeleteWe are wasting time forcing this guys to form a coalition government because this means we may have to force them to carry out all their obligations once they get into office. If they cant do anything before David Milliband and Condy makes a phonecall, surely arent we going to have those people calling too much given the number of decisions that a government has to make.
On a lighter note, maybe we should have a branch office for Milliband and Condy here so that whenever they are not too busy huko kwao they can volunteer one in a while to help us keep "our" government to-be in check. So much for necessitating neo-colonoalism! At this point i believe it is a necessary evil.
Gentleman
Come on chris! Quoting KTN opinion polls on this very honourable blog? What an insult!
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteI have liked your many posts but this one is an overly simplified solution to a very complex problem. My take of the many points you raise are:
New elections: Yes, new elections are the only way to decisively solve this stalemate, but if it is not done properly it may even worsen the situation. Therefore, as you rightly suggest, we cannot do this with the current ECK. It is important to reform the electoral commission before we think about elections. If my memory serves me well, ECK served reasonably well in 1997 and 2002. The reason for the two good performances can only be attributed to the composition of ECK at the respective times. Unfortunately, we failed to consolidate the gains of the 1997 IPPG's agreement to strengthen ECK further by making it independent of political manipulation and entrenching the agreement in the constitution. It appeals more to me that we should focus on this issue before we talk about elections.
Moi should come back: No he shouldn't, anyone? When Moi took over the leadership of this country he was the darling of many ordinary people. However, he became a very difficult authoritarian president in his mid and last years or presidency thanks to the constitution. The same constitution that allowed him to change from the darling of the ordinary folks in his early presidency to a despot in the last years of his presidency are still intact. Can you tell me anyone in the current political establishment that compares favourably with the Moi of 1978? My point is, whoever the angel you put in state house will quickly become a dictator. It is not because they want to, the constitution allows them to. What we need is to correct this situation.
MK, RAO and Ruto should be sent home on compulsory retirement: This suggests that with their exit of the scene, their influence will cease. No, anyone? whoever you choose to replace them will seek the support of these individuals and that support will not come free of charge. If the choosen person do not endear him/herself these individuals, (s)he will have to frame him/herself in a way that appeal to these individuals' supporters and we will be back to the same situation. It is the institutions that we need to create that make whoever becomes the president accountable. I know people have become very impatient but a quick fix will not take us any far. We need the citizen, media, NGOs and faith groups (?) to refocus us on constitutional reform/review. Constitutions are made in crisis time, this is it guys we need to cease the opportunity. If peace returns, the politician will not give priority to constitutional reform/review.
My two pence...
If there is a repeat of elections Kivuitu and team should first resign they should not officiate anything even KCPE exams .
ReplyDeleteIf there any other sign of rigging give Rutto the ticket.
-Kipkutuny Kokumngueny-
Nice piece.......Yes i'd rather go for elections....i will queue again for 10 hours if i have too rather than have a kiben aki president (even if it is 50-50)a man who can't make a simple decision.....Ei no way!!! when we have a cabinet with Mwangi Kiunjuri as a minister!!!You mean we have no better leaders in Kenya!!!
ReplyDeleteMoi, hapana Chris nimekata!!! Though he was a firm decision maker unlike the one who is there right now. Moi was able to make decision and stand by them.....Tell me any decision that Kibaki Has made and stood by it....Mpesa the constitution bars Kibaki, Raila no where so tuliza!!!! If Raila vies today, tomorrow i will vote for him.....Tosha yes call me a fanatic.
Sample this with Moi we had -ve economy growth but stuffs were affordable, now we have an economic growth of 7% and wacha tu!!! tomatoes mbili 15/=, 1 kg cabbage is 57/= y'days nation says the middle class is feeling nothing...uwongo na porojo....Does it mean farmers stopped tilling the land? No we pay more in form of tax, you go to a super you get taxed still, petrol station....iam sure i pay 50% and not the 30% Kimunya keeps yapping....If we are going to have an interim govt let us leave all politicians out, we sort ourselves out....otherwise very soon Zimbabwe will be like Tom & Jerry, coz Kenyaa is on a downhill now and we must act fast!!! There is an outbreak of cholera (No.Minister for health), Looming food shortage (No Min. for Agriculture) Ei and Kibaki is sitting pretty in statehouse...iam not ready to pamper him!!!!
Ivy
The only reason we've not had the right leaders up to now is because the masses are not well informed. They do not know who a true leader is or what to expect from them. This is why a politician promises to build a road and gives us two kilos of suger and a pair of Lesos for our dear wives and he has the vote! Unless we launch some massive civic education campaign, we ain't going too far.
ReplyDeleteThat's why the could think of Moi. In a serious society, the man should behind bars by now.
Raila may have a fanatical following but for the right reasons. He is a true leader. A visionary leader. A corrupt neutral person is unacceptable. Unless like Moi you are saying there is no neutral Kenyan who is able to lead the nation at a time of transition.
I was imagining a political scenario without fake KTN polls/Kibaki/Raila/Moi and other old skool politicians and thinking who would be most suited to take over the reigns of this great nation.
ReplyDeleteCertainly not another Kaleo or Okuyo, they have already eaten they fair share of ugali...Luos? Well, they are said to be good co-drivers but not being on the helm, Luhyas? Are said to be stepping stones to power. Kambas? They better stick obidiently in the civil service without fuss.
I definately think it's time for us Maasais "to eat!" Kwani sisi ndio hatuna tumbo?
Away from building castles in the air, someone (Ritch and PKW?) used to post nice poems on this blog, kindly chuck some this way..it's about time!
M-Pesa
Nbi Kenya.
Charles.Nairobi
ReplyDeleteWell Said Chris, unfortunately a THIEF is being put in the same breath as a clear winner.
Raila Odinga's ODM party offered HOPE AND REAL CHANGE for the ordinary Kenyans doing away with TRIBAL AFFILIATIONS that Kibaki and his SCAVENGING LOOTING LUNATICS at state house have courted for 5years and counting!
The situation is threatening to DEGENERATE into something much worse but ODM has ALL OVERWHELMING SUPPORT but limited choices.
It's in doubt THE THIEF AND HIS HYENA LIKE SCOUNDRELS will CONCEDE AGAIN...already he has messed up and wants Kenyans to clear his dirty mess with their blood.
Pay with your LIFE!
It is Law that we can protest AGAINST A TYRANICAL GOVT!
Raila Odiinga is standing up for the people remember his promise to Kenyans of Not Letting them down!
WE ALL KNEW KIBAKI WAS LYING form DAY 1-SHEEPISH SMILES ETC and still...HOW SHAMEFULL!
Its THURSDAY..PATIENCE ODM next few days ...Lets wait and see!
WE STILL AWAIT THE UHURU PARK SHOWDOWN!!!
Moi is a supporter of Kibaki and by putting Moi in charge again you are literary creating more problems than solving them.
ReplyDeleteThe real force behind Kibaki is Moi and Biwott not Mt Kenyan as people had been made to believe.
This is retrogression if we were to allow Moi back again.
Just heed to my plea and support a neutral candidate who is able to deliver a widespread support all over the country.
Once again I nominated Tuju.
Kombo would also do very well as he is referred to as the only 'clean politician alive' in Kenya.
A recent independent survey conducted by 'Think Tank' in four districts of central Kenya, a staggering 48% said they would support a Luo president only if it not Raila Odinga. Out of those surveyed 68% were aged between 16-45. This survey was conducted to find out about ethnic attitudes in Kenya. So the picture is not as grim as people thinks.
Chris,
ReplyDeleteI rarely tell you this, but, frankly take a hike with your pipe dream.
I asked this yesterday, why should Ruto and Raila be denied their democratic rights so as to placate some ethnic jingoism?
Raila and Ruto, just like me and You are victims of the dictator. The only person who should go to never come back is the husband of the mad woman. It is getting tiring to lump Raila, Ruto and ODM with Kibaki,
If Kikuyus can lead Luos (Kenyatta and Kibaki) Then a Luo can lead Kikuyus. In fact anybody in Kenya from ElWak to Shimoni and Lokitaung to Kehancha has the right to become president. As long as he gets votes.
Lets have a clean election, Raila vs Kibaki and will see the victor.
Agreed.....Fave ......Agreed...only
ReplyDeleteIvy
Thanks Ivy,
ReplyDeleteAs we head deeper into this crisis Kibaki and his cronies have foistered upon us, It seems that even prior sane people like Chris are getting delusional.
An example of such is this line from raila mzuri..'Just heed to my plea and support a neutral candidate who is able to deliver a widespread support all over the country...'
My question is did Raila not get widespread support from around the country? Secondly, what does he define as a neutral candidate?
Kibaki is the culprit, everybody is a victim.
Did I hear the American Ambassador say last night on KTN that power sharing in the civil service (read PS's Ambassadors) is not part of the accord? Is that the position of the American govt?
ReplyDeleteYou're right Kumekucha it's not a good idea to go back to the polls with Raila and Kibaki as candidates. But Moi no way! Not in a million years!
ReplyDeleteKibaki and Moi bear the same venom. Kibaki has compressed all of his in 5 short years. Moi spread his over a long time and got away with it because those were the days when information had not spread well enough to wananchi. When even thinking against the government could land you a reservation in the notorious Nyayo house. When publishing any truth in magazines was highly treasonable. I don't know if it still is considering the Standard Mamluki Raid. The guy ruled before SMS, E-mail and most lethal of all blogs. In the end he had all the ability to do a Mugabe but I think he did not because he realized the information age had caught up with him.
And speaking of information, masses of wananchi are still not adequately informed about what to expect of their leaders. We have come a long way but we're not yet there. That is the reason for tribal fanatical following. So among the many many things that Kenya has to do, one of them should be educating the masses some more.
Come on Fave, Get a life!
ReplyDeleteEti "Ruto is a VICTIM of the dictator!" Victim my foot! Lol..Gen Ruto is a young overnight billionaire who CAN'T even explain his immense wealth. Grand corruption charges still hang on his neck while he uses clever lawyers to drag his case till kingdom come.
A dossier which deeply implicates him in recent Eldoret clashes is slowly taking shape and it's no wonder he's laid low and stopped being the cocky little b@stard he was in January.
Come out from your bunker with your hands in air Bwana Ruto, the game is up! You can run but you can't hide, son. Your hero has made so many enemies from powerful Rift Valley power brokers to the dreaded Mt Kenya Mafiosi. I just feel sorry for the poor sad thing.
You guys just underestimate the boiling rage within 5 million SOULS who support this Govt. If Raila and Gen Ruto were to ever come close to power, forget throwing stones, it would be back into the trenches Mau Mau style and Kenya would cease to exist as you know it!
Nimesema!
M-Pesa
Nbi Kenya.
Chris opinions are free but facts remain SACRED. You gave an analogy jana of the theif and the robbed and you are unwittingly falling prey to the same pranck. Can't you see the ulalation. It is called SAMSONIC destructuve philosophy - if we cann have it let us both lose.
ReplyDeleteOur present problems are singularly traceable to one genocide-faced pimp. Why would you paint Ruto with that devilish brush. doing that would amount to nothing but cowardly running away from the problem. Standing up to a scoundrel we must. Look over your shoulders are see te deceptive glees aka sisi Maasai. Well, they even conviniently cheat on their roots Saitoti style.
You don't condemn or bar those standing uo to a thief and proclaim justice, or do you? By doing so the latent message to the THIEF is you can rape and escape with the victim's under garments too.
The fight may be bloody but the courseis worth all the blood. Meanwhile let those who derive anatomic inspirations from the projections at the junction of their lower limbs indulge in their stone age complexes. The DEVIL and JANJAWEED president must be fought on earth and into hell.
Fresh elections?
ReplyDeletePray tell, if we're choosing between Lucifer and Legion, how will that make things any better for Kenya?
A terse warning for all those bawling for fresh elections. Chances are, we will end up with a different line up of political clowns who can't lead beyond their eyelids, who'll make Kibaki and Raila look like angels!
My two cents...
Fresh erections will not help anything.
ReplyDeleteIt is quite faschinating to here people talk about Nyayo because when he was in power people were not happy and when he left, people pelted him with stones at Uhuru Park. But u all see, the guy provided LEADERSHIP which is direly missing in Kenya.
Kibaki is Rubbish, and Raila is the scum of the earth, Ruto could have been better off as a stillborn child.
Let me ask, taking away Kibaki, Raila, Kalonzo, Ruto---who r the remaining people who can offer CREDIBLE Leadership a la mode Kikwete, Kagame, Mu7 etc?
--Marasa Biggy za Dame
Why are we trying to justify a Kibaki presidency yet we all know he stole it.period.Why lump the thief with the victim in the people's court?Frankly speaking we cannot go to the ballot as a commission is investigating the Kivuitu fiasco,with 500,000 IDPs in camps?
ReplyDeleteKivuitu,Gicheru,Hussein Ali,Gichangi(NSIS),Kianga(CGS),and Michuki should be taken to the Internatinal court and charged with the death of over 5000 Kenyans.
Only then can we organise a fresh election.
DjRik.
Why are we trying to justify a Kibaki presidency yet we all know he stole it.period.Why lump the thief with the victim in the people's court?Frankly speaking we cannot go to the ballot as a commission is investigating the Kivuitu fiasco,with 500,000 IDPs in camps?
ReplyDeleteKivuitu,Gicheru,Hussein Ali,Gichangi(NSIS),Kianga(CGS),and Michuki should be taken to the Internatinal court and charged with the death of over 5000 Kenyans.
Only then can we organise a fresh election.
DjRik.
Cowards. shame on you chris. In an attempt to come across as balanced or clever or whatever alot of peopl have this unclever idea that they must say something negative about ROA before they critisize the thief in chief.....fanatical following is to politics what fuel is to a car it cannot run without it. That politicians have fanatical followers is not their fault, they don't raise this people as kids we are fanatics so don't blame ROA for having dedicated followers. What your suggesting is like saying that since great soccer teams have fanatical supporters they should not play in a major final....grow up, we live in a crazy world. Try being that cool headed politician and see how many votes you get.There in no factory somewhere where RAO goes to manufacture supporters these are kenyans who have the right to go crazy about anything or anyone in their country. Its sad and unfortunate that after the many sacrifices that RAO has made to try and bring some justice to this country some people so easily lump him up with Kifucky simply because both are politicians and have fanatical following, I say shame on you, expand your thinking and grow up. Go do something that even comes close to what RAO has done. Its not time to look gift horses in the mouth. RAO is one of the best politicians we have if we fail to reward and recognize him we are sending a wrong message about sacrificing on behalf of others. ROA did what he knew best united a country at least most of it. Then he was conned now he has to make a stand against a thief and all we do is get neat picky with him.....that is totally shameless and naive. What we need is more fanatical support for RAO and Ruto and not wait for them to give any oders to protest we should just go out and show our solidarity.........you have to stand for something..
ReplyDeleteSir Alex
right from the beginning some bloggers here including myself said this peace deal will never work..unfortunately we were right! these things are probably not meant to work in africa...americans should not have used us as their guinea pigs....we need to have one side of the political divide installed as the government. sharing is a no-no!! we dont want it anymore!!
ReplyDeleteone of the things i have heard people say in the last few days is that ruto and raila should be barred from running for political office.....’for the sake of peace’....i had pretty much start buying in to the idea that they shouldn't but you know what? i came to my senses this morning and i think that is the stupidest thing i ever heard!! why should we bar them? to please the prejudiced mount kenya mafia? chris, only these people have a problem with raila odinga the rest of us dont!! why should we give in to their demands? barring raila and ruto is akin to saying these prejudiced lot are right chris, and they are not!!
infact if you ask me chris, i’ll tell u something, i think pnu are shouting the loudest about this impending war. they are prepared to take kenya the bloody war route simply because they are not ready to fathom that a 'kihii' can lead this country....by barring raila and ruto from running chris, this is what we shall be saying too!! i refuse to join in, in this travesty of justice...
you have also mentioned something about kibaki's 'leadership'...you are right. the guy has no leadership skills to speak of!! just look at his house, if he cannot provide leadership there, why else does anybody think he can provide it for the whole country? the man has never made a single decision since he came to power in 2002, u realise the 2002 NARC was given to him on a silver platter-he didnt even campaign for it, he only dissolved the cabinet in 2005 after raila flatly told him to his face 'si atufute'- so again he was pushed into it, the man had no desire to run for a second term but the athuri group pushed him into it and just like a lamb going for slaughter...he did it blindly....he didnt even have a party three months to the elections!! for heaven's sake, how does anyone expect the guy to make any decision now?....he was just not given those abilities am sorry to say-ati 'hands off leadership' huh!! what a laugh!!
for something/anything to happen to this country, we will have to pressure him .....again!! the man has to go home!!
chris, much as i loved moi then....i think he needs to just stay in sacho and herd his goats....the day he told us to support kibaki, ati odm was a tribal outfit!! heh!! that was the day me and him parted ways. he cannot help us if he tried!! anybody suggesting that he brought back....is an enemy!!
finally, fresh elections are a good idea…..yes!!....i mean we can go for them again to prove a point, but why on earth should anyone put us all through that again? it is so costly for the kenyan taxpayer....and we all know pnu has no chance of winning anything even if they poach everyone from everywhere-so it will just be a waste of funds!!
we know who won!! we know who will win again!! why don’t we just do something right for once this year and give the cow back to its rightful owner? yes...i know this sounds very naive....but i dont wanna be stuck here forever!!
Why don't we divided the country into three region? Coast, Central and Western. Problem solved.
ReplyDeleteNairobi belongs to Kamba, Kyuks and Masaai. All the other craps should return to Nyanza/Western and have their president (raila) there.
Before colonisation, Gikuyus and Masaai were good neighbours and so were the Kambas. And that how we want to live again.
GEMA (akamba) and Masaai united!!!
Taabu come again please?
ReplyDeleteMpesa i will tell you the last time....Go to the hague and present your evidence to Ruto....Stop wasting time on kumekucha......Go make wealth.....If Ruto can afford bright lawyers then what the heck is your tribesman prosecutor (One Keraiko Tobiko) doing? Dont make us say maasai's are not fit to be leaders!!!!
ReplyDeleteGive us evidence or forever hold your peace!!!! U r so annoying
Ivy
Mpesa@3:14 AM
ReplyDeleteDo you really expect me to answer a post whose punch line is this...
'You guys just underestimate the boiling rage within 5 million SOULS who support this Govt. If Raila and Gen Ruto were to ever come close to power, forget throwing stones, it would be back into the trenches Mau Mau style and Kenya would cease to exist as you know it!'
Really, when threats of violence replace reasoned logic,then,we can not interact. You have been know to be obsessed with certain parts of Raila's Anatomy, and your above rant once more betrays your immaturity
If you read my posts they refer to the fact that to placate people like you, It is suggested that Raila should fore go his democratic rights.I say no way! with reason. I have repeatedly said if there is evidence against Ruto, bring it in the open. This dossier against him has been ongoing for four months now.
On the other hand I have not in anyway said Kibaki or any one should forego his democratic right. All I have demanded is a clean fresh elections. I accept a clean democratic victory from anyone including you.
Finally, I will never go to the trenches. and If I ever did want to fight, wars have moved beyond trenches
Anon 3:46, weren't they the maasai's who thrashed you in Narok, the other day....Just thinking about harmony/united unless they have a new meaning!!!
ReplyDeleteMrembo coz we are peace lovers we want to ensure that Kibaki goes out in a better way. But as Fave said y'day there is no despot who was removed through negotiation....so kura is the answer, have you heard a thief giving out a cow to its owner peacefully...Not in Africa
Yes Anon 3:46 this crap would love to be ruled by Raila anyday, not a man who can't rule his own household!!!!
Ivy
@Ivy and Fave you folks seem to doing very well is the parasitic dialogue with one chap obsesssed with his nether parts. His exclussive inspiration is reduced to what resides at the junction of his lower limbs. Jana he ingonorantly promoted a local right as global. Well, sigbning off with NBO address never made you any exotic villager. Asitembea hufinkiria mamake mpishi bora. village blogers are just that and they relish response which they hardly comprehend. But then this is a market and we have no right to vet madmen patronizing. Mau mau was lower primary civics of yore, bring it on.
ReplyDeleteMpesa I am with you all the way!
ReplyDeleteYes, a Masaai president would be the solution given our Kikuyu and Kamba neighbours wouldn't mind.
We Masai, we are the most marginalised of all Kenya tribes and yet we are the only ones who represent our country culturally on international stage.
Go anywhere in the world and everyone know Masaais.
by the way kumekucha, i agree with all the self proclaimed-fanatics above.....why should we discount raila from the race in future? because we love him so much?
ReplyDeleteit doesnt make sense to me.....so are you suggesting that in future we should only vote for someone we ascribe no loyalty to? ai..!!
-Mrembo.
Ivy @4:01 AM
ReplyDeleteWhat happened in Narok was instigated by Ole Ntimama a Kipsgi to turn Masai against their relatives. Do you know many Kikuyus have been in Narok way before colonisation? Most of them married there and some of their Kikuyu relatives moved there with them.
Do you remember Jomo Kenyatta lived there with his Masaai relatives before the Second World (1945) War and worked as a clerk in Narok Town? There are a lot of things you don’t know yet darling?
I suggest you read books about Kenya before and during colonisation.
@Taabu 4:13 am
ReplyDeleteThanks yanking me out of the gutter. I will definitely refrain from engaging in personal confrontation with obviously puerile opponents. I can not get logical with a single dimensional villager who is obvious impervious to reason.
I will now only seek to address the facts in the post and also any facts raised by reasonable bloggers.
Admittedly that is a fun killing move . But, it saves me from going into the gutter.
fave, i never had any worry about you going anywhere near a gutter!! your intelligence does not allow it!! i agree taabu has given some real good advice here......just ignore them.
ReplyDeleteivy my dear, as hard as this is, you probably should to, i know it is a 'fun killing move' as fave says, but some people just mean to annoy!!
i'm purposely restraining myself from doing it, so i know!
Huyu mtu anajiita Mpesa is either nuts or about to go nuts...
ReplyDeleteEti he is threatening us with Mau what? Dead snakes we ask???
I happened to be listening to Citizen Radio yesterday prior to the KTN opinion poll, and 90% of the callers also wanted fresh elections with ECK disbanded etc.
Kenyans are ready for Polls, regarding RAO- let the guy decide by himself ...
Kibaki though should be barred, and why do people think the guy has a fanatical following?? I see none!
LOL....Anon 4:49....that is the joke of the year...pls for crying out loud!!! No wonder we are such a mess....what will i be doing in the archives reading Kenya before colonization....pal wake up and smell cafe latte it is 45 years, with your mentality!!! no wonder we are backwards!!!
ReplyDeleteI only know one Maasai....Ati Ntimama castigated the violence...LOL....EVIDENCE?
Ivy
P.S Mrembo sorry i had to do this ....just one more time!!!
Let me digress the idea of Moi being reincarnated is making me get indigestion . This morning at a briefing for an Integrated tax management system for KRA, Michael Waweru the commissioner general of the kenya revenue authority challenged the donor community to stop threatening kenya with witholding aid .He asked kenyans to question exactly which are these pledged donor funds being witheld .(The kenya revenue authority has indeed done a commendable job of revenue collection ).Waweru also asked that kenya be allowed to solve its own problems internally.
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MREMBO,
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you take your time to reflect and see that all your comments and alignments are fuelled by bitterness against the Kikuyus? And do you think this is a position to be proud of?
I mean, guys, if we represent the elite of the country, a generation which was supposed to bring an end to tribal animosity and install rational thought in the decision making frameworks of this country, then I can say that the future of this country lies in a failed state.
I am also deeply disturbed by comments from the likes of Ivy and Mpesa. Why can't we abandon our tribes? I for one hate my tribe and all that is associated with it. I despise African tribes because they are the seed from which the destruction of the continent shall grow.
Have a nice day.
I work with jews.....Does that make me a jew....Anon 4:49
ReplyDeleteSimSim@5.50AM
ReplyDelete...'Waweru also asked that kenya be allowed to solve its own problems internally...'
SimSim, Do you know why the international community intervenes? Do you know why we have international bodies and conventions likes the IC, UN Human rights convention, War crimes tribunals?
For a simple reason that the world has from history discovered that, governments, especially illegal ones, tend to abuse their own citizens.
It is laughable if Sudan told the world to let it solve the Darfur problem internally when it is it internal policies that have created the problem. Ditto Kenya.
You further mention that he Kenya revenue authority has indeed done a commendable job of revenue collection...
The collected revenue ends up lining the pockets of the very corrupt regime.So it does not matter how many silver pieces they wring out of an already impoverished populace. The silver pieces, They never help you and I and all the sundry.
While you like me is horrified at the thought of DT Moi at the helm once more, Don't you think that Michael Waweru and all of the current illegal regime, sound more and more like the Moi government?
SIMSIM, is that also Waweru's JD (job description)
ReplyDeleteSweet guy i cant help you...i love my tribe and my tribesmen and all kenyans!!!! My only problem is Kibaki........Relax dont be disturbed i am not planning genocide against anyone....iam incapable of killing a fly...DUH
Ivy
Common Ivy, How can you speak like that, We are loudly talking about historical injustices and you are insisting these are backward, then why do we fight so much about some colonial ear leaders owning chunks of land as large as the whole of Nyanza? Histirycal perspectives serve to direct our future decisions. I bet if you wanna ddress a root cause of something, you got to visit the origins. Dont be scared, be proud to read about yor country's history.
ReplyDeleteSweet Guy,
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing wrong with Kikuyus .Resentment comes in because the most vocal kikuyus like their tribe "too much " thereby glorifying theres over others.Never be ashamed of your tribe for there is nothing to be ashamed of .You are defined more by your social class than by your tribe.
SimSim
SIM SIM,
ReplyDeleteI am a Kikuyu.
Ivy, 5.41 Sorry I missed... What soo funny that made you laugh out until you pissed yourself?!
ReplyDeleteIgnorance is not an exucuse and that why YOU remain BACKWARD.
Learning about history of your country does not make one primitive, it's the other way round.
I bet you don't even know 'Kenya' is a corrupt word for Kirinyaga - a GEMA word. Oh...Your beloved country was named after your enemy. That's should make you tear your passport into pieces.
I still maintain that "THE CUT" is one of the most important rite of passage in our AFRICAN culture!...FACT. That's the truth and if it's too hot to handle, meza wembe! Infact, I just hope Chris can start a threat about this sensitive and emotive subject which some are trying to sweep under the carpet for obvious reasons. In that said thread, we can debate this sensitive subject FULLY and from then never ever mention that "C" word again!
ReplyDeleteNimesema.
M-Pesa.
NIROBI...(X1,1000,000..UTA DO?)
Kenya!
ANON@6:21 AM
ReplyDeleteKenya is from Kamba,The name corrupted by Krapft and Rebman (Germans) when they first sighted Mt Kenya near as they approached Machakos. They asked the local inhabitants the name of the mountain and they corrupted it and the rest is unfortunate history.
Not that I would have minded it if it was Kirinyaga. But, facts be facts my friend.
Sweet guy, 6:21
ReplyDeleteGood ! Be proud of that. The problem of post election violence is that it has created too much fear and uncertainity in the populance and therein lies part of the problem . Fear makes everyone Irrational.
Fave,5:50
Give waweru a little bit of rope. According to his job descrition and performance contract he has done well by all parameters. Where the collected money goes ? I leave that to those more knowledegable than myself.
The difference with the current regime is that they milk the cow but give it enough to survive.The Moi regime killed the cow and decided to milk the goat.
Otherwise i agree wholeheartedly with your posts
SimSim
Mpesa.I suggest therapy.Kindly give us the name of your responsible adult or guardian who we can dialogue with.
ReplyDeleteSimSim
And a question to Mrembo, Ivy, Taabu, Chris and all fanatics of Raila:
ReplyDeleteWould you still support Raila if he was a Kikuyu?
And to all fanatics of the president:
Would you still support Kibaki if he was a Luo?
SimSim,
ReplyDeleteThanks but this post is actually where my fundamental problem with current regime lies..
,The difference with the current regime is that they milk the cow but give it enough to survive.The Moi regime killed the cow and decided to milk the goat..' This regime actually promised not to treat us like cows. 'A totally clean government' They said, The can not even do it. But they failed us and returned to the same things Moi did. May be covertly but still the same. If we set our baseline too low, then we will never rise to excellence.
I will have no problem with Mr Waweru at I cut him some flak.
Finally, as per your advice, I have a rope, I will not give it to Waweru, I also know a sturdy trunk. I will hand the rope to Emilio, show him the trunk and hope that he proceeds to do the necessary on his OWN neck
IVY,
ReplyDeleteI don't hate my tribe because it is in "danger" from other tribes in Kenya. I hate tribalism as a whole and thats how I came to despise my tribe. Look at where tribalism has landed Africa.. Rwanda, Kenya etc.
What do you profit from being in love with your tribe? Just a burden of bitterness against Kikuyus.
Fave
ReplyDeleteOuch!
SimSim
I am not sure whether Moi was horrible to Kikuyus more than he was to the rest of the Kenyans. If he were, would he have chosen a Kikuyu as his successor? Kibaki is the most evil president Kenyans ever heard (maybe Kenyata can beat him).
ReplyDeleteSweet Guy
ReplyDeleteAnd this is the last time i will answer you!!!!Pls note ...tafadhali I supported Kibaki in 2002....Was he not a kikuyu? so what has luo got to do with anything...I dont subscribe to that tribe!!!!......What do i profit by hating my tribe? NOTE... i dont harbour any bitterness against kikuyu...swali ingine?
nope chris- you damp kibaki we are keeping our last years vote intact- Raila and Ruto still in the running!!they didn't rig!kibaki did!
ReplyDeleteSweet guy
ReplyDeleteYes that was me....Anon 7:05 i forgot to sign in....Did anybody choose what tribe to belong? And that is why i said I can't help you...I thought the issue of tribes pisses you off!!! Oh i forgot it was just a THOUGHT
Ivy
sweetguy,
ReplyDeletei would support raila if he was a kikuyu....but only if he came on the platform of change and was genuine about it.
i voted in mwai kibaki in 2002 because he promised the same thing(change) but he didnt!! was he not a kikuyu then?
anonymous 5.35 i agree with you, kibaki has no fanatical followers!! and that is just the bitter truth....people are just hiding under tribal banners!! what is to be admired in kibaki? honestly? hakuna!!!
Mrembo
chris in your dreams pnu and kibaki can smell defeat already at the polls just like babu said on to them-"bring it on"
ReplyDeletesecondly why should we dig our leader that was denied elections by the thieve rigging kibaki?? you go tell kibaki to step down!! anyway elections now- we will post kibaki back to othaya
I'm still weeping after going through this website. It's indeed KENYA'S saddest website that every citizen must vist! It will definately touch even those insensitive freaks with hearts of stone on this forum.... Guarantee!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ushahidi.com/
M-Pesa
Nbi Kenya
My condolence to the family... May Nyagah Jeremiah rest in peace!!! Bon voyage
ReplyDeleteIvy
ha!ha! this are scared pnu members talking now!!chris did your PNU source ask you to write this peace ati odmers fanatic over Raila and we should do away with him the the next elections??? the only leader who can bring 6 provinces together to one vote and he also did it in 2002 and gave kibaki the presidency on a golden platter for free?? shame on you chris!!Raila tosha! he will be in statehouse soon!!
ReplyDeleteeven though many kikuyu's on kumekucha still post here ati a kihii can never rule them!!! he will and sooner than you think!!
PNU is now acting like a serious political player. Contrary to what the author says, the new PNU strategy is bad, really bad, for ODM.
ReplyDeleteYou indeed can have new elections, but there will have to be a comprehensive constitutional review BEFORE. ODM will not have it any other way, and thats just the way PNU likes it.
Going by past behaviour, it will take one year before Kenyans agree how the review is going to be done. The last one took 15 years BEFORE the 2005 referendum!! Some of you Kumekuchans were still in diapers. Having agreed on that, it will take another year to agree on who seats on the review commission, if indeed it will be a commission. Another year to debate and agree, then another year to go to court and challenge it, THEN A REFERENDUM, by which time Kibaki will have finished his five years and Kalonzo will have become his successor with Uhuru as Prime Minister.
In all those years pending the review, ODM will be an opposition party, NOT a partner with PNU in Govt. Thats too bad. They should have heeded Raila when he once said "hata mkia ni nyama".
chris Raila Juu now he kihii will rule the house of mumbi!! the same house of mumbi in 2002 was given the presidency for free by this person they keep abusing and calling kihii!!
ReplyDeleteand now chris you are asking us odmers to shove him aside?? hapana!!!kikuyu's already know that the finale truth will rule in kenya!! kenyans are very ready to go to the polls to bring in the rightful winner of the 2007 presidential elections
by the way the polls!!94% was all other provinces including the IDP's and the 6% was the house of Mumbi so you get my drift?? they PNU already know that kibaki does not stand a chance!!so kenyans let us go to the presidential polls to end this kibaki pnu rubbish!!
Wow...i just enjoy Kimis brief analysis, wish KIMI and daniel Waweru you could post more often. thanx
ReplyDeleteguys
ReplyDeletethat we are all made different is not in doubt. most of us have inherited traits, beliefs and characteristics of the environment we were nurtured to maturity in. others have gone beyond that narrow and sometimes confining envelope and embraced others from different spheres of life. a few are able to intelligently assimilate all the good traits from their home upbringing and merge these with the good from elsewhere, while some are permanently stuck up in their own bigoted cloaks
ultimately we judge and assocaite with one another based on our understanding of the depth or lack of it of three main categories
a) mind/intelligence/reasoning and progress
b) soul or morality and
c) pocket or finances
there are those who introduce social dimensioning based on ethno-cultural basis and have their heads stuck permanently in their behinds on this alone. many have taken to (or aspire to be) dimensioning based on depth of pocket or financial standing in society. most of the empty talk here is centered on ethno-cultural limitations.
i hope my favorites here chris, fave, taabu, wanjiku, ivy, mrembo, chicity, deroo, sir alex, abbas, can do all they can to help steer this blog back to more rational reasoning and dialogue, to provide a forum and opportunity for kenyans and friends of kenya both at home and in diaspora to share knowledge and successes as well as highlight wrongs in the country.
Chris,
ReplyDeleteI respectfully disagree, for the reason stated yesterday. What are you on today??? Put down the pipe!:-)))))
The reader who proposed this needs to raise his/her expectations. Bring Moi back??? He had 24 years and accomplished what? Not to mention the damage he is still doing behind the scenes 5 years later! Like someone said above, in any other part of the world, he and his sons, associates would be in jail or dead. Only in Kenya do citizens glorify corrupt dictators and plead for their return. Spare us the anarchronism.
Sim sim - I will volunteer to draft the emergency petition to appoint a guardian. We can use excerpts from this blog as prima facie evidence that a Guardian is indeed warranted for the loonie blowhard in question. Hehehehe!
Anon 6:58 - claiming to be Marianne Briner ----- although I might agree on the content of your comment, please stop sending anything here using my name. I do not need others to speak on my behalf. I am quite capable to do it myself.
ReplyDeleteThanks,
Marianne Briner
Blogger Kimi Raikkonen said...
ReplyDeletePNU is now acting like a serious political player. Contrary to what the author says, the new PNU strategy is bad, really bad, for ODM.
yet again this PNU moles scare tactica undermine the will of the people of kenya:) you really think that ODMer and the poople who voted them in are fools?? we will put in place the changes IN RECORD TIME ECK OUT AND WE WILL WIN THE ELECTIONS
SI KIBAKI HIMSELF SAID ORENGO CAN WORK ON THE CONSTITUTION CHANGES WITH EYES CLOSED???? TUTA IGEA STATEHOUSE LIKE IT OR NOT!!ELECTIONS NOW!!ODM JUU!!
the contention that brought us to this point was between R and k ,a runoff is supposed to clear the air on who actually won btwn the two.It is only fair that we have two names in the ballot and lay down some rules of engagement if we are to move forward.My suggestions are
ReplyDelete1-dissolve ECK as it is.
2-election to be done under the supervision of the AU and intl community
3-No campaign of any manner , no press confrence , interviews etc.
4-if none can garner more than 50% then they can ammend the constitution and share "real power" the PM can be head of govt with exec powers and president to be head of state and CIC as proposed in the bomas draft.
Anon 7:52 i hear you!!!! I know at times of anger some of us i included try to justify e'thing and end up saying things that we were not supposed to say....I am hoping to be yanked from the gutter as one Fave said ....Meaning i try as much as possible to apply the 5th ammendment to some fellows in this blog....I have so far realized the only thing i can do effectively is to ignore some of them...
ReplyDeleteSign out...till tomorrow...Taabu, Phil, Chris, Wanjiku, Ritch looking forward to an interesting thread
Ivy
Anon @7:54 - Thanks. I agree. Sound discussion coupled with proposals for change should be the gold standard, not tribal epithets.
ReplyDelete@Kimi fantacy remains just that whether coloured or in black and white. Self-indulgence is no sin and you can have your fill but don't be oblivious of the ultimate disappointment and heartache- enjoy the beauty of each floor as the hard surface below beckons your skull. Reminds me of Joginder Singh and the juvenile lip-driving. Well, you have all the joy albeit only within the confines of your head. Good luck.
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ReplyDeleteSee Fave@4:56 AM. I will definitely strive to stick to facts and logic. And actively subdue my own desires to be biased. But, Kibaki is free game to me.I will rant, rave and insult him along with Lucy and anything they spawned.
I have always done my best always to be rational. But, when dealing with the dictator, I will not be very kind. Plus, an occasional hit below the belt will off course occur just for the sake of fun Sometimes,I confess, I can not see a belt and resist the temptation of hitting below the belt. I am that kind of boxer.
We should not loose the fact that we are all victims of poor leadership.
I am out till tomorrow.
and, IF Kibaki kicks the bucket tonight or any day, I announce that I own the spitting concession on his grave.
kenyans are ready 94% 6 provinces 6% house of mumbi we have already won!!so Chris kibaki has no leg to stand on- Kilonzo said it all they are ready to hold the kilonzo bull by it's horns and call for the elections and BaBu odm answered bring it on so now it is a wait game since PNU is running scared in circles
ReplyDeletewhat cowards and thieves!
I am sick and tired of hearing; we never had a Luo president. And so we never had either a Luhya, Kamba, Masaai, Taita, Meru, etc. and none of these groups are moaning about it. Does it mean it’s only Luos that has been denied the house on the hill?
ReplyDeleteAnd why does it matter which tribe is in state house?
Moi was right, we should never had multi-parties. Kenya is not ready for democracy.
ReplyDeleteFave...Ei you man...you have won...It was like watching MAN U thrash Roma....but that is painful!!
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ReplyDeleteAnon @8:29 That is definately from me....
Ivy
anonymous 7.52,
ReplyDeletethanks a lot, i didnt know i was among anybody's favourites!! hehehe!!you know we have the same favourites? though my list also includes luke and tnk....sasa, si u get a handle so we can address you appropriately? then i can also add u to my faves!
btw, ordinarily i never insult anyone anonymous, but i gotta tell you kibaki just inspires me to abuse him and his party!! i cant stop myself but i will try very hard to stop-i promise!
you know me...i never shy away from highlighting the wrongs....even if they are being committed in my camp!! i know people dont like it-but thats just me!!
thanx.
@Ivy you owe me a CRATE for having sweettalked Tavez otherwise I will do the same and Baca will prove a hard nut. Any offers soon otherwise........?
ReplyDelete@Fave spot on and if you find free time I would rather you copy the bible or dictionary instead of engaging in monologues.
Christopher, why should we punish Raila for winning the presidency? If there's a re-run, Raila must be on the ticket. After all, he's not as polarizing as you think, the guy won six provinces bwana.
ReplyDeleteFurther, the whole country has seen Kibaki's thieving character. PNU will spend the Safaricom money but Kibaki may not even get 100% of the Kikuyu votes. The man is an ugly toad. Ama nimedanganya?
Most people forget that we already had a Luo president in the past. Yes, a Luo president for 6 hours! Aspiring General Ochuka.
ReplyDeleteI bet Ivy did not know this one too.
Anon @8.54 ODM still have come up with a concerte evidence Kibaki rigged the vote.
ReplyDeleteAll they have managed is to create a paranormal hysteria among their supporters.
They rallied against Kibaki propagating no one vote for him apart from his Kikuyu tribe.
Something does add up here, if ODM was to be believed PNU won 44% of the vote compare with ODM 46%.
And according to offical census Kikuyu make up 22% of the population, who are the other 22%?
All Raila wanted is to demonise Kikuyus to extinction but his mission failed.
Foolish Kenyans.
ReplyDeleteDoes it mean this blog has nothing better to offer.
What difference does it make to " Wanjiku" whether Moi, Kibaki, Ruto or Chris is the president of Banana Republic called Kenya.
She will continue looking for firewood in the forest, fetch un treated water in the polluted rivers,toil to look for her next meal but still be happy her tribes man is in power although the nearest she comes near her is once in every 5 yrs( elections time).
Anon at 920AM well said my buddy! mpaka leo no one has shown me that Kibaki rigged the elections. Wanaimba tu PNU as if the votes of all other affiliate parties were not all going to Kibaki. They conveniently forget the haba na haba hujaza kibaba - the small parties we ignored are the ones that filled Kibaki's basket of votes. Get used to it. PRESIDENT KIBAKI won the presidential elections. Figure this - my owm mother voted Balala for MP but Kibaki for Prezzy! If he lost why are you so desperate to work with him? Where is the evidence that they kept screaming about?!! Conmen. I know they will respond with cyber-machetes but ukweli hurts...Ati Kikwete n Kagama support Raila..dream on. You should know what they call him.
ReplyDeleteFYI Kibaki's supporters have no time to fight cyber wars. They browse thru this and make no comments. Simba mwenda pole..kama wafuasi wake! Kazi iendelee!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnon at 920AM well said my buddy! mpaka leo no one has shown me that Kibaki rigged the elections.
YOU CAN SCREAM UNTIL YOU ARE BLUE BLACK IN THE FACE:) AND TELL YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT THE HISTRY OF THE DISGRACED RIGGING PRESIDENT FROM OTTHAYA CENTRAL LESOTHO!! KEEP CONVINCING YOUR SELF ATI YOU VOTED BALALA THEN KIBAKI FOR PREzY= WHAT PNU fool you are spinning tales as you go along:) if that helps you sleep at night then good for you but stop wasting time here on kumekucha!!who exactly are you trying to convince?? kibaki himself or youeself?? go post on kumekuchas the kikuyu blog- they may just give you a medal for the best lies ever posted:)
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnon @8.54 ODM still have come up with a concerte evidence Kibaki rigged the vote.
I assume you do not own a television ?? so you did not see kibaki rigging straight from the twilight zone!!right and now you want us to convince you a deaf &blind person?? no go read sign language and prepare for the next elections then you will learn how kibaki will plan to rig yet again!!
kibaki mwizi ya kura- muzi Anglo leasing and wants to share the billions looted by former president moi- he already received some during elections- shame shame- ottaya or maybe he is better off taking refuge in Somalia!!
Anons 6:58 - 7:55 and 9:38: I do not know what your intentions are but I think that Kenya and the Kenyans do not need such continuing foolishness (and to Anon 9:38: at least make the effort to spell my name correctly: it is Marianne and not Marrianne).
ReplyDeleteI hope that this is the end of it and that you find something else to spend time on.
I have asked Chris to erase all these more than stupid comments like he did already with the ones sent in yesterday.
Marianne Briner
Where is moderation when you need it? Kumekucha, I thought moderation was in force but I read comments that are way over the limit - I hate tribe X, Y, Z... tribe A is/isnt this or that. These people should be ashamed of themshelves for spewing vitriol here.
ReplyDeleteTaabu, you really are a funny guy. You obviously don't want me to educate the more vociferous and fanatical ODM dunderheads(the stone throwing cannon fodder), about the birds and the bees in politics do you? You don't want them to see the nakedness of the emperor as it were? Too bad, some are already coming out of the stupor. They can see that Raila is indeed a babe in the woods in a contest against Kibaki, as can be seen by his achievements so far. When will you also understand that ODM's single biggest weakness is a non acceptance that it has a big problem, and that the problem is that you and most ODMers are too emotional in a game where emotion is worthless and is indeed a liability? Emotion in fact clouds your thinking where ruthless application of logic is required.
ReplyDeleteSample your response to my hypothesis. Most of what i have written is based on historical fact and what you should do is try to disabuse it intelligently. Flying off the handle and throwing the smelly garbage can at me won't make you and ODM change your 25 watt thinking into 10000 watt klieg light brilliance.
Raise your game instead.
While you are screaming, kikuyu women are breaking their legs rushing to join the line for those dying to dutifully suck "kihiis" off. While on that line, they even start fighting, pinching, kicking, pulling out extensions from each others hair, etc. Anything for a spot in line coz they cannot just imagine the thought of missing out on the bliss that awaits them. You with your so called cut one are left behind, pants down crying and begging "shuare, shuare, why not me?
ReplyDeleteModeration - I know it is time consuming to effectively and efficiently moderate comments when you have other matters to attend. I think the task can be shared amongst Kumekuchans by adding a link at the end of each post to allow people to register their complain on offending posts. You can also use a history of complaints to blacklist/reward contributors. In this mode, perpetual offenders' posts automatically queue for moderation but people with a history of measured posts do not.
ReplyDeletechris my dear,no matter how hard you try to force,u know kibaki will win hands down.The blood that odm poured is now following them,ruto,nyagas dad,the 2 mps who were shot and many more 2 come.PS.SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE LUO BRAIN WORKS,WHY DO THEY DESTROY THEIR OWN TOWN???then when they see others with wealth they start complaining.+WHY THE HELL DO THEY WORSHIP THE WAZUNGUS SO MUCH????
ReplyDeleteAll right minded Kenyans Want fresh Elections.
ReplyDeleteECK is Bull Shit. They Flawed the Elections and NO One In kenya who Knows Who won and who is our Legitimate Leaders. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT RULERS LIKE IN ZIMBAMBWE BUT A LEADER.
Colonialism is gone and Kenya is not looking for RULERS BUT LEADERS.
PERIOD.............!
All public assets acquired irregularly, including ADC farms dished out to Wako, Sally Kosgey, Ruto, Kiplagat`s Moi`s and Uhuru and Kibaki`s Sons should be returned back to their their respective rigthfull owners.
ReplyDeleteWHY are Kenyans been so naive?
Can Kenyans go to America, UK, Denmark, France and Russia etc. and just settle on any farm or open area?
It`s time time for the young generation to start thinking and stop wanking "men & Women" and think about our families, neighbours and friends who are
dying, and fighting for our rights.
Kenya belongs to US not United States Of America, But ourselves. Kenyans.
Kibaki and raila have had their share, Now it`s our time.
We work so hard and pay taxes, that Kibaki and raila and enjoying with unlimited 24 hours paid security with food on the table, while we continue to work hard and hard to pay foreign debts, that we don`t even know how we incurred them in the fisrt place.
Kumekucha,
ReplyDeleteI asked you yesterday to offer leadership and direction to this blog.
The ammount of gutter witnessed here is disgusting!Much as I am against censorship I think moderation should be in place.The idlers from mashada should leave our blog alone.
We have always treated each other with respect even when we disagreed greatly.
Chris,save this blog!
Antonio.
I’m returning to kumekucha after a break from politics and these silly idiots calling themselves leaders of Kenya. Kumekucha is doing a great job but I’m returning back to kumekucha just to disgracefully find that Chris, Taabu, Phil and many more are still exchanging blows with anonymuses. What a sorrowful thing. It is the same thing as Raila negotiating with a thief; an irrelevant faceless creature.
ReplyDeleteCome on Chris. Moderate these bastards. Put up issues that are worth reading or thinking of.
As for your post, should Moi take over I shall seek refuge in Tanzania or somewhere. Soon you will here Gedion Moi or his cousin or bhang-addict-uhuru said so and so. And we will post more post in kumekucha crying like children.
Aside from Moi’s burial, I don’t quite get and understand what other headline news should we expect from Moi.
Election or no election, Kibaki will perish in state house. I said this before and I will try again and see if it makes sense to somebody.
Do you all think Kibaki rigged 2007 election to just give away months later? He is not going anywhere. Figure out how to uproot him instead of thinking of another election.
Swallow the irritating nasty bill ladies and gentlemen. The writings were written on the wall long time ago. It was even written with blood.
Read people.
Maasai dont need the robbers from Mt Kenya to exist. I'm a a Maasai and I feel offended, if one says Kikuyus and Maasais can team together to take Nairobi.
ReplyDeleteMy people are dying in Maasailand because the Kikuyus divert rivers to water their plants, leaving Maasais with no water.
Kikuyus come and take our land by force. Narok used to be ours. Nowadays it is a Kikuyu town.
No tribe in Kenya wants Kikuyu thuggery and arrogance. Time is up for a change. KENYANS TEAM UP TO SAVE KENYA from robbery from one community.
This jealousy and hatred on the Kikuyu reminds me of some guys,the jews.For thousands of years the world has hated and despised even killed them just cause they are intelligent and successful.GUESSE WHAT?BADO WAKO STRONGER THAN EVER.So it will be with the house of Mumbi,lyk it or not.
ReplyDeleteWilliam, keep day dreaming, but I'm sorry comparing the Kikuyu thugs to Jews is an insult to the Jews. Let the truth be told, the current crop of Kikuyu leadership is full of selfish individuals who have looted so much from the Kenyan coffers that the thought of losing an election and facing the wrath of what most Kenyans desire (go after all those who enriched themselves from public coffers)was sending shivers down their spines.
ReplyDeleteThey hence proceeded to shamelessly and tactlessly steal the elections. The truth is that they had voted themselves out of the government as ODM was bound to form the next government subsequent to which major changes were to occur and all their dirty linen would have been aired out to dry in the open.
William, there is a difference between 'intelligence' and 'greed' and the greed of the current crop of Kikuyu leadership has only managed to alienate them further from the rest of Kenya.
For as long as there are more people that think the way you do, you will only keep alienating yourselves from Kenya. You have manipulated Kenyans for too long and time is catching up with you very fast. You need to wise up and open your eyes.
That is NOT SCIENTIFIC POLLING.
ReplyDeleteThese polls are easily manipualted: multiple voting, friends asking others to vote etc.
Who takes text polling seriously?