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Wednesday, February 25, 2009

How Long Will Police Commissioner Ali Last?

Soldier Boy Who Played At Cops And Robbers Now In Big Trouble

Also published earlier today: Taabu on Prof Alston and the bankrupt Kenyan psyche

The man has a rather dry, sardonic sense of humour that was very clearly displayed in a memorable press conference the day before Mwai Kibaki stole the elections in full view of TV cameras and the world in late 2007 (many are the times when he cracks a joke and laughs first a mischievous chuckle that would be more appropriate to a comedian rather than a law enforcement officer. And more oftren than not nobody else in the room finds what he is saying funny).
Police commissioner Maj general Huseein Ali: Under his watch terrible, terrible things happened.

In retrospect that day Ali was cracking jokes at the media conferemnce, we were being prepared for the horrific events of the next day and police commissioner Maj general Hussein Ali was at the heart of the game plan. In fact over a year later it is now coming to light that those plans may have included the “extermination” of any pockets of resistance to the electoral theft according to the report by UN Special Rapporteur Philip Alston.

Prof Alston has issued a bombshell of a report that just confirms a lot of what we told skeptical Kenyans in this blog about a year ago Read the full story. In fact I stand by the figures that I gave here then. That over 5,000 Kenyans have been killed by the police in the reign of terror overseen by police commissioner Ali.

For all intents and purposes it is now looking like Maj general Hussein Ali will be one of the first people to stand trial for his role in the failed presidential elections of 2007. Prof Alston has already asked the ICC (Hague) to take over the investigations into police brutality in Kenya and extra-judicial killings.

But even as we pass judgement of a man who has to go down in history as the most brutal police commissioner ever, it is important for Kenyans to understand the whole story behind this sad saga.

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The whole story, according to me, started long before the 2002 general elections. We were in a meeting at Ufungamano House. Present was at the meeting was Mwai Kibaki and a host of other NAK top brass. Kibaki repeated at that meeting what he had already said countless times before. That the problem of increased crime was one that was going to be tackled easily by budgeting for and employing more policemen.

Well we all know what happened. Kibaki did employ more policemen in 2003 but that did not solve the problem and his administration struggled with the problem of insecurity for a time. That was until they proudly announced the appointment of a soldier to the police commissioner’s post. Enter Maj general Hussein Ali (then a brigadier).

Ali’s strategy was simple, and I must admit, effective. The idea was to create killer squads and to hunt down suspected hardened criminals and simply mow them down in a hail of bullets. The only problem with this strategy is that along with the hardened criminals and scum of the earth were very innocent Kenyans whose only crime was that they were at the wrong place at tragically the wrong time.

When the Mungiki problem came (created and financed by politicians) Ali used the same tactics in a very vicious and bloody operation that left Kenyans numb with shock.

But Ali was not as smart as he always tried to portray himself in front of newsmen. It did not cross his mind that investigators from outside would ever start snooping into what the police were doing. He also did not realize the fact that it is impossible to wipe out all evidence when you are involved in mass murder.

The result is that even though the government seems to be defending Ali at the moment (or at least factions of it, because Prime Minister Raila Odinga, obviously thinks different from what he is saying) it is clearly only a matter of time before the soldier boy not only leaves office but also stands trial for his heinous acts.

Other effective ways of fighting crime other than mass murder need to be found. But the problem is that the old dinosaurs we have in office today cannot be expected to come up with new ideas or even to think out of the box.

Food for thought: NTV last night aired old footage of President Kibaki saying that criminals who killed others will also be killed and that “there is no other way.” This was early in his first (and only genuine) presidential term.

Related stories from the past:


Bad smells and why Ali should resign

What Ali did at the KICC at the height of election theft

An excuse for Ali's actions?


79 comments:

Anonymous said...

Charles.Nairobi.
I quote Chris
"Other effective ways of fighting crime other than mass murder need to be found".Which are the OTHER EFFECTIVE METHODS-we don't have a judiciary able to handle a thief who steal cobs of maize from a neighbors shamba!
The police force i believe are doing ONLY WHAT THEY CAN DO to fight crime WITH ALL ODDS STACKED AGAINST THEM, Policemen RISK THEIR LIVES Each and everyday!You would go wild if you arrested a WANTED CRIMINAL who gets released the very next day, and goes about looking for you and your family.Mungiki have enough money floating around to buy off the judiciary and remain with change to buy off the police force.WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU DO!! this is not police and robbers, its an intricate network where members are wealthy politicians we all know!LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD!
Options are limited!Choose either live in a slightly just society or a totally lawless one.
Am with the police on this one 100%

Anonymous said...

well anon 10:58 p.m...I assure you 100% Ali is going down. It's only a matter of time.
And all who sparked off the P.E.V, will go down with him. Yes I'm referring to the election thieves.
I'm 100% percent sure of this!!!

Anonymous said...

Chris,
How comes to you people if Mzungu says something you take it seriously?

who is a mzungu and what does Mzungu means? You nigga you like us to think Mzungu is god. You are always looking for people to worship. Talk of self-hate!
I hope your daughter or son get raped by Mzungu and will see how you react. but i guess you will be happy for them coz is a mzungu.

Do you know how much black people in the west hates Mzungu? you like us to believe u r educated but wapi? your minds are so colonised u r still living with bush mentality!

Anonymous said...

Profesor Alston,who gives a shit, this are the moment I miss Sam Okelo.

Anonymous said...

There is simply no justification for extra judicial killings.....take time and think of the implications....just think.....If every time we get stuck we use anon:1058's thinking where will we be? Thats anarchy.
We keep electing thievs who need criminal gangs to survive then when they brake the law we justify it.....if you look at the source of the problem then you will find a solution.......They why mungiki exists, for example...how did it start......and such....your just considering the tip of the ice-berg..typical reasoning that has lead kenya to the shit-hole that we are in......gees we have a long way to go...

Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

Lets deal with the issue and not who brought it up.....

Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

Chris,

Upende Usipende, raila odinga will NEVER be president of Kenya!!!! Get over it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

M-Pesa said...

Whatever happens from now on, it's evident that heartless Ali and incompetent Wako are tarnished beyond repair. They will always be associated with mass murder of mostly innocent and jobless youth especially those who were shot in cold blood in Kisumu for demonstrating over a stolen election.

Don't expect our equally incompetent president to sack anyone over extra-judicial mass murder. His term will be over as he dithers on what to do with Ali and in any case Wako is PNU's useful idiot always ready and willing to be used like a tissue paper.

Anonymous said...

Sir Alex,

I wish the Mungiki got hold of your foreskin with their pangas, you would begin to apprechiate the good work Commissioner Ali has done. The fact that Thug Raila is negotiating with Mungiki leaders in Naivasha Max Prison to team up with him for 2012 elections shouldn't make you think that Mungiki have suddenly become angels. Stop following Raila kama kondoo, think for yourself.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 1:09
Your shooting from the hip . . . .that is more dangerous than mungiki and Ali's boys combined.....everyone agrees Mungiki is a mess but was that really the best solution? and was it only mungiki who got killed? what if your neigbour killed you and it was labled mungiki?....having a serious problem does not mean allowing anarchy we are always better of following the law on matters of life and death if you can't get that basic idea then clearly you tribal blinkers...are phenomenal....Kibaki failed lets just admit it.......I'm wondering why there is such a blind, jingoistic, fanatical following of kibaki among some of his tribes men at fisrt I though it was hatrade for RAO but now I'm beginning to think that its cause Kibaki did something that spoke to the heart of a lot of peopla from central like no other kikuyu leader has done.....he let it be known silently that this was the dispensation of the kukuyus to eat..it was a cart blanche open check....and it thrilled them so what we are seeing is witdhrawal syptoms.... of people who never got their snouts in the trough and those who where yanked out before they got their fill.......and naturally they think its RAO who did it....and not the countless other kenyans wo voted aftrer witnessing the same..


Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

A MZUNGU SAYS SOMETHING AND CHRIS RUNS ALL OVER HIMSELF ALMOST KNOCKING HIS TOOTH OUT TO ECHO HIS WORDS....

NO WONDER KIBAKI CALLS YOU GUYS MAFI YA KUKU...

THIS IS SHEER NEOCOLONIALISM PROPER...

A MZUNGU TAKES 10 DAYS TO INVESTIGATE???? GET REAL SILLY CHRIS....AM SO FED UP WITH WAZUNGU WORSHIPPERS.....KUBAFF

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:10 PM,

I agree with you. Down with the election thieves and all who sparked off the P.E.V by aiding in the THEFT of the elections of DEC '07. These are the lords of impunity.

Anon 1:36 AM,

This is for you, a certified Kibaki ass licker: We are tired of Kibaki ass lickers. You fellows just like to gobble up his shit. It's time you changed your "diet." You should not be eating Kibaki's digestive end products.

Anonymous said...

Chris,

These mzungus you worship, do you know in America police are ordered by their superiors to kill and shoot black people? Go to New York or LA, even during Huricanne Katrina they were given orders to shoot black people.
You need to liberate your minds from colonialism and Mzungu asslicking!

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:06 AM,

Stop trying to divert the attention and subject of Chris' post.

Deal with the rot that is happening in Kenya - Kibaki's shit has hit the fan and the result here in Kenya is a big stink. Stop running away to New york, LA and Katrina.

Anonymous said...

Chris:

With all due respect, it is very easy for you to talk of effective methods of catching criminal mungiki gangs from the comfort of wherever you live. But not everybody lives in a leafy neighborhood like you. Allow me to give you an example.

Three years ago (around the referendum time), my businesss partner and I got a loan to put a small block of flats in Kariobangi North. Little did we know that you do not do any investment in the area without consulting the mungiki coordinator of the area and paying for his blessing and protection. They waited untill we had raised the foundation and we were working on the superstructure of the ground floor. They sent an "agent" to say we had broken their laws and had been fined Sh 20,000. And from then on we were to pay Sh.200 for every lorry delivering materials to site.

We hestated. A couple of days later they paunced and flattenned the tyres of four lorries and fired guns at our workers at noon. We couldn't get any artisans to come to work and the loan repayment was to begin in six months. Just in case you don't get it, I will give your another personal example.

My ageing parents live in a Mungiki infested rural location. I go on average once a month to see them. Last Chrismass, my nephew, a UoN engineering student went to see them and he nearly lost his life to these murderers. Fortunately, we have turned the little homestead into a fortless. From there he called me here in Nairobi in the middle of the night. I called and woke the OCPS of the nearest police station 20 Km away who happens to be my friend. Together with other officers he drove in his private car to go and rescue the poor fellows. The thugs were caught trying to set the stone house aflame using dry banana leaves. I am happy the officers took care of the business the best way they know how. And why were the thugs doing all this? Because my nephew had refused to pay a permit fee for permission to stay in the village since he lived in Nairobi! I say all this not to look for sympathy or to inflame the passions of other bloggers but to ask people to take a deep breath before seeing Mungiki as the victims and the police as the villians. The police are standing between our necks and the mungikis, and it is not funny.

Since police ca't be every where all the time, I have decided to apply for a gun licence. You can defend them as much as you want, Chris, but at the end of the day, it is either our lives or these gangsters' lives. And I am not taking any chance.

Anonymous said...

Chris,

Are you aware Kenya received a fund and intelligence from previous American Bush administration to deal with insecurities and in particular gangland in Kenya?
I can give you all the details of that if you wish.
And before you post these articles you post here do a research and you will find many people want govt to deal with mungiki ruthlessly.

Anonymous said...

Why all this sudden love for Mungikis by Luos bloggers on KK. Are they following a signal from Raila or the mzungu? Or are they simply being symphathetic to fellow thugs like them? Didn't fellow Luos forceably lose their foreskins to Mungiki pangas in Kibera and Naivasha a year ago? Something is amiss, people just don't wake up one day and start praising and defending murderers and primitive circumcisers.

Anonymous said...

Anon 09 2:53 AM,
These Luos do anything molasses tell them to do. He told them to drop trousers and get a cut and I am telling you, in Nyanza they had circumcision bonanza with hospitals running out of circumcisers. Very soon he will tell them to worship kikuyus and for sure they will all bow down to Kikuyus. Hii ni majaabu ya binadamu.

Mama said...

I dont think I have the heart to castigate the police commissioner for this Mungiki menace.

The fact of the matter is, since commissioner Ali got this job, Nairobi is a much safer place to live in. You can walk about anytime of the night without much fear.

On the issue of election theft, that is a whole separate issue altogether. Giving directives from above, cordoning off KICC and parts of the CBD just after the elections period demonstrated exactly where his loyalties lay. And it is for this reason that I see this man going nowhere. Otherwise he may start singing like a bird and that would be very detrimental to some people's interests.

I cant even imagine him going down. Where will Kibaki, Uhuru, Michuki et al, be?

Anonymous said...

The question we are failing to adress is Where the heck did mungiki come from? And why did it even start? If those two questions are properly addressed then we will see that mingiki is not that hard to do away with.....why for example did the mungiki stop killing? It wasn't because they were being killed actaully in that war the police were loosing big time......Mungiki jus got a 'new assignment' fron Uhuru and co so they went off the killing of kikuyus to other tribes...thats the only approach that works extra judicial killings are worse than the mungiki extorsion racket.. normal police work should handle that so thats no reason to get excited...pls pls lets deal with the true history of the mungiki and why the even came together is telling in this tribal country that a group can rise within a tribe to specificallty target its own tribesmen when the leadr of an all powerfull presidency belongs to that same tribe...... why are we avoiding that issue, this are not just common criminals there is an issue here we are avoinding to deal with and there lies the true solution. Reducing them to common criminals is side stepping the issue......

Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

Sir Alex @ 2/26/09 1:34AM

Kumekucha is not a shrine for worshipping Raila or a place to come and display your irrational Kikuyuphobia. Instead, Kumekucha is a forum where you are expected to engage your mental falculties and to avoid uncultured emotional outbursts. I hope you get the point without Raila translating it for you. Come on, try it, you are a Sir; you can do it!

Anonymous said...

Raila has AIDS!

Anonymous said...

Chris,

What happened to Ivy? Apparently there were rumours here going she was expecting a baby. Any news?

Anonymous said...

When Raila was sworn as PM in state house his first statement was that he was going to reach out and hold a peace summit with the Mungikis. He even followed by sending political science books to Maina (the Mungiki leader imprisoned in Naivasha) saying that he hoped to turn the thug into a Mandela. Things fell apart when the Mungiki support for ODM did not materialise in the Embakasi by-elections.

Now, the thugs in ODM are trying to renew their contacts with Mungiki thugs in readiness for 2012. And this explains the sudden love for Mungikis by Luos on KK led by Sir Alex. Phil is around the corner looking for a net cafe to add his voice to this chorus of "Mungikis are not criminals." Maajabu ya dunia - these are the same fellows who were calling for police to kill Mungiki when the Luos were being circumcised infront of TV cameras by the Mungiki. But now, since they want the Mungiki thugs to votes in 2012 for their messiah, the thugs have become angels. Raila's on-and-off dance with the Mungiki thugs must be investigated.

Anonymous said...

anon at 3:17


Githongo said the same...dose he hate kikuyus?...its was their turn to eat......thats a fact. got nothing todo with hatrade.. ..

Sir Alex

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo said...

Anon 3:17 AM,

Contrary to what you think, Raila did not tell me this - I do not need him to tell me this, I have a mind of my own; this is not Kikuyu phobia or an uncultured emotional outburst. It is simply an observation of the obvious.

This is the issue that you and your kind should be seriously concerned about instead of your demented, mindless and emotional Railaphobic outbursts:

Is it not telling that a group (Mungiki) can rise within a tribe (Kikuyu)to specifically target its own tribesmen (going into frenzied neck chopping "outbursts" of their own Kikuyu tribesmen) when the leader of an all powerful presidency belongs to that same tribe (Kikuyu)?

At the very basic level this should tell you that there is something very, very wrong within this community. My own take is that the "admired" Kikuyu "virtues" of FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT have come back home within the Kikuyu tribe to roost with a vengeance. There are no two ways about it: Your reap what you sow. You sow FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT, you will reap FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT

Don't tell me that it is Raila who is chopping off your Kikuyu necks. It is your fellow Kikuyus with whom you share this irrational Raila hatred and phobia when your real enemy resides within your own kind.

John Maina said...

updates

It’s Our Turn to Eat:
Discussion with the author and Ed Clay, former UK ambassador to Kenya and John Githongo.

Monday, 9th March
Venue Brunei Suite, SOAS
Thornhaugh Street,
Russell Square
London WC1H 0XG

Anonymous said...

Anon 09 4:19 AM,

Do you want to hear it:

I HATE RAILA
I HATE RAILA
I HATE RAILA
I HATE RAILA....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now go hang yourself!

Anonymous said...

Charles.Nairobi.
Excellent Anon 2:34, and thats is just one of the REAL LIFE STORIES,on what police officers have to deal with EACH DAY on the beat.Actions speak louder than words which is what Ali and the police who i refer to as defenders of the nation have been trying!I dare ANYONE on this blog to go to Muthurwa Market bustage and shout "MUNGIKI".You will DISAPPEAR FOR GOOD!Ali FOUGHT FIRE WITH FIRE-its a general army tactic for those who know battle!

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo said...

The fact that you hate Raila has no effect on me. You see, you are sick, you are the one with a problem. What you are suffering from is similar to diarrhea, it has no effect on me. It is a your own problem.

However maybe you do need a fellow Kikuyu to chop of your neck Mungiki style... Bwa, bwa, bwa, ha, ha, ha, ha,

You truly are sick. You need them your fellow Kikuyu neck choppers to chop off your neck and maybe then in the after life, you will be dead after your neck is chopped of by your fellow Kikuyu, maybe just, you may come to your senses although it will be a bit too late courtesy of your fellow Kikuyu who chopped your neck off.

John Maina said...

Anony @ 4:19 AM
Wacha generalisation manze si kila mkyuku hates Raila though majority understandably but sadly do, looked at in a larger context. Majority of the kyuks ELITE like their counter part in other tribes who dominate the world of politics and sources of information i.e. media(NMG) and civil society such as churches are the one who plays on people ignorance and naievity creating the harted we witness today. Thats why we find that this hatred is intense within those tribes that have had access to the above i.e. kales/luos and predominantly with kyuks whom their elites have had much longer access than the rest.

Kitambo si all tribes lived harmoniously as neighbours.

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo said...

I was referring to Anon 4:23 AM,
with my comment at 4:41 AM. The sick clown should quickly look for his/her fellow Kikuyu to chop his/her neck off...

Bwa, bwa, bwa, ha, ha, ha, ha

Anonymous said...

John Maina, do shut up! Have you thought of sanitising your English?
You like flaunting your address in London here but can't write proper English!

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo said...

John Maina,

I still stand by what I said, and you repeated it in your comment:

"si kila mkyuku hates Raila though majority understandably but sadly do"

I interact with members of this Kikuyu tribe a lot and so I can say with some authority that at least 99%, hate Raila with a passion. I am talking about IRRATIONAL MINDLESS HATRED here because when you ask them why the hate Raila they cannot give you a coherent answer, what they give you is an highly charged irrational, emotional session of verbal diarrhea that is laced with a lot of lies and half truths.

Their ignorance and naivity is no excuse at all. Some of them are very highly educated with masters and PHD degrees but when it come to Raila they just go bonkers. It's like they become Mad. ,Phew!!,

Anonymous said...

Luo stone throwers have arisen to defend Mungiki for circumcising them free of charge in Kibera and Naivasha a year ago.

Anonymous said...

No Kikuyu, No Luo said "I interact with members of this Kikuyu tribe a lot." Why do hang around Kikuyus licking their asses? If you want to escape the so called "Kikuyu Raila hatred" hang around your fellow Luo foreskin carriers.

joe the choma man said...

"Chriso"
ati parliament is preparing a censure motion against Ali after which he will step-down from commissioner only to be re-appointed after an "Ali commission of inquiry" formed to look into extra judicial killings presents its 3 month report to Saitoti exonerating Ali

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:03 AM

this is why i hate raila!

1.when jacinta watela was sacked from the cbk raila said nothing! mr. Prime minister did not utter a single word!! does that mean that he supported this sacking?

2. It is said that some of the most sickening corruption crimes have been committed by odm ministers...hon kajwang gave away work permits at the rate hot madazis are distributed in burma open air market(near the city stadium). When we all know that kenyans abroad have to sweat blood and tears to obtain this valuable document in the uk, europe and other countries, even neighboring tanzania. His right honorable raila said nothing and did not even as much as "slap kajwang in the wrists".

3.during last jamhuri day celebrations when kenyans demonstrating on behalf of us all were arrested for merely wearing black t-shirts, mr prime minister did nothing and said nothing. In fact he were seen at one point having a discussion aside with the speaker of the national assembly kenneth marende and president kibaki. What were you discussing? nugu wewe...

4.when the facking odm held their elections...wea he even created extra posts (kanu-style) to ensure that you keep both ruto and that useless mudavadi in the party. He didnt ensure these elections were democratic either n hes the same nigga who was crying over democracy just last year?????nigro plz.....

5.raila`s son was involved in an accident n the nigga said nothing about it. Yes the kid was drunk driving.......

Anonymous said...

John Maina is trying to redeem his image here after he was exposed yeye ni shoga huko ulayani.

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo said...

Anon 5:23 AM,

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn.....

you have written a lot but have said nothing.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn..... once again.

Anonymous said...

That was only one side of the story. Someone should similarly come out with the countless list of Innocent people being killed by climinals. Interview from affected families will be very very shocking.

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo said...

Anon 5:16 AM,

You said:

"Non Kikuyu, No Luo said "I interact with members of this Kikuyu tribe a lot.""

My comment: I interact with Kikuyu's and many other individuals from other Kenyan tribes a lot. I believe that that is not a crime.


"Why do hang around Kikuyus licking their asses?"

My comment: I interact with them socially and business wise. The only time I get intimate with Kikuyu's is when I screw their women. I do not lick any Kikuyu, or for that matter, any other tribes asses. That kind of behavior of licking asses I leave for you and your kind who just love licking Kibaki's ass and gobbling his shit

"If you want to escape the so called "Kikuyu Raila hatred" hang around your fellow Luo foreskin carriers."

My comment: I have no intention of "escaping" the so called "Kikuyu Raila hatred" as I recognize that you and your kind are the ones who have a problem, a big problem. To tell you the truth I find you clowns to be somewhat amusing in a tragic comedic way. As for you assuming that I am a Luo, I think my name - Non Kikuyu, Non Luo nicks that pumbavu train of thinking in its bud. I do not wish to engage in infantile, juvenile prattles about a non existent foreskin.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:10 AM,
Here are some more Kikuyu women for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfKWSroOLic

Anonymous said...

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo,

If a Kikuyu, Luo, Kalenjin and Luhya were all to be employed on the same day at the same organization e.g. Kenya Ports Authority, Mombasa and you visited them after 10 years, this is what you would find:

Kikuyu
-Living in his own house in Mombasa ; family living in Mombasa ; happily settled at coast
-has rental houses, matatu in Mombasa
-owns a small car 1300cc EFI
-meets a friend at a local cheap bar for nyama choma and one or two beers discussing business

Jaluo
-Living in big expensive rented house
-Has big car 4000cc petrol
-Family living in Mombasa
-No investments; thinks of investing back home but fears being bewitched
-Leader of KPA trade union; always complaining, agitating for fairness/ equitable distribution of resources
-Meets ten friends in a pub with loud music each person has six beers waiting to be drunk and politicking.
-Are in rent arrears for 4 months and want the parking let extended.

Kalenjin
-Family living in kericho while he works in Mombasa ; wishes there was a port in kericho so that he could be near home
-Has small car 1300cc which is in kericho
-Has bought small farm in kericho
-Believes kikuyus are thieves; wishes they would be evicted from Rift Valley.
-Drinks beer/Choma alone or with fellow clansmen and usually less discussions

Luhya
-Has 2 wives; one in Kakamega, other in Mombasa
-Hopes to get a luhya MD to give him promotion to ease burden of 2 families
-No investments. Beer/Choma, Lingala music and a sweet sixteen girl are favorite.
-Amazed by kikuyus success

Digo (coastals/locals)
-No investments. Very superstitious and heavy drinkers of Mnazi wine.
-They seldom invest in their childrens education.
-Wants all upcountry people (foreigners) to move out coz the port/institution is theirs.

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo said...

Anon 6:23 AM,

No thank you. I like my women a bit more refined. Those villagers just do not cut it.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:35 AM,

You forgot, or is it conveniently avoided mentioning The FRAUDULENT, DECEPTIVE and THIEVING nature of the Kikuyu. This is how they aquire most of their money and property. Just look at Kenyatta, Kibaki and his fellow thieves right on down to average Kikuyu who goes to a local cheap bar for nyama choma and one or two beers discussing "business."

If you really get to know what "business" these one's at this cheap nyama choma joint are discussing you will find that the operative intentions of this "business" are FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT. That, Anon 6:35 AM, is the cold hard truth.

Usijaribu kutudanganya ati there is enterprise, industriousness and hard work going on. Kwenda huko! We know the truth. STEALING IS YOUR WAY OF LIFE.

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:07 AM, I thought you just said you like doing business with Kikuyus? Tafdahali kaa na msumamo.

Non Kikuyu, Non Luo said...

Anon 7:19 AM,

Stop trying to twist what I said. I said I interact, I did not say I like. Business is strictly business. They are my clients full stop, and that is the way I treat them - clients. My msimamo is very strong.

Ni wewe mwenye unayombayomba.

kalamari said...

Christopher,

This is a simple case of feeding a cute lizard that grows into a fiery dragon.

Things just got out of hand and Ali lost control of the unprofessional death squads he created. The improperly trained policemen in these squads had tasted blood and as expected they completely lost respect for human life. The mistake Ali made was recruiting cops with no special training. Official death squads exist the world over. This should not surprise the UN. Most such squads however are filled with highly professional killers. Killers who are trained to only kill the 100% guilty. They never break the law by killing the innocent neither do they kill haphazardly or indiscriminately. They also have the capacity to remain sane i.e. never acting irrationally and most importantly never loosing respect for life. Their work is always in stealth and very defendable and plausible even in the rare case they end up in court.

Ali’s mistake was recruiting gun-totting idiots from various police stations and making them take a week long seminar on killing and police secrecy. Ati now they are a death squad. These jamaas did not have the capacity to understand what they were getting into. Most of their training was from watching movies. Generally, after you kill one person, you are supposed to visit a special psychologist before going back to work. Ali’s boys on the other hand could kill four to five people in a day, go home take a shower and show up to work the next day for a new killing assignment. The human mind cannot handle that type of mayhem unless in wartime mode.

In the end you have jamaas who can shoot at a fly resting on your head simply because they want to kill the fly.

Having seen the type of hell the Mungiki and other violent gangs can deliver, I fully support Ali’s game plan. As I have said before, all Mungiki suspects must be shot dead on sight. So must all the violent carjackers, rapists and violent home burglars. These criminals must be mowed down with efficiency. No questions asked, no court, no jail. Just bullets upon bullets upon bullets.

What Ali lacks is a professional death squad. He must face the law for his inability to create one. He has in fact let Kenyans down by unleashing an unprofessional death squad and killing innocent people.

He must however be given a badge of honor for every guilty Mungiki or violent criminal shot dead. Extra credit must be given where bullets were not wasted.

Kenyans must be free to roam around their country without fear of being skinned alive or killed for hesitating to handover their car keys.

ALI, PLEASE CONTINUE KILLING THEM….BUT PLEASE DO IT PROFESSIONALLY.

Anonymous said...

I think some Kenyans do not use common sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEINO_sKBvA&feature=channel

Anonymous said...

DAILY NATION NEWSPAPER PAID TO DISTORT PM RAILA ODINGA'S SPEECHES
SOURCES CONFIRM!~!!


***These are Raila's exact words***

"Because of the way Mr (Samuel) Kivuitu handled the 2007 elections, Kenyans want a chair who will be impartial. My suggestion would be that we even consider looking for a foreigner to head the commission"

!!!!And the subsequent Nation headline is!!

Foreigner best for electoral commission job, says PM

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/535008/-/yg8dr2z/-/index.html


KENYANS SHOULD BOYCOTT THE CHEAP GUTTER KIKUYU NEWSPAPER CALLED THE

DAILY NATION GUTTER PRESS... SHAME!SHAME! SHAME... DAILY NATION WILL NEVER BRING RAILA DOWN... MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRY ADVISING THEIR OTHAYA THIEVING THUG EMILIO KIBAKI TO STOP EXECUTING INNOCENT KENYANS.................

Anonymous said...

DAILY NATION NEWSPAPER PAID TO DISTORT PM RAILA ODINGA'S SPEECHES
SOURCES CONFIRM!~!!


***These are Raila's exact words***

"Because of the way Mr (Samuel) Kivuitu handled the 2007 elections, Kenyans want a chair who will be impartial. My suggestion would be that we even consider looking for a foreigner to head the commission"

!!!!And the subsequent Nation headline is!!

Foreigner best for electoral commission job, says PM

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/535008/-/yg8dr2z/-/index.html


KENYANS SHOULD BOYCOTT THE CHEAP GUTTER KIKUYU NEWSPAPER CALLED THE

DAILY NATION GUTTER PRESS... SHAME!SHAME! SHAME... DAILY NATION WILL NEVER BRING RAILA DOWN... MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRY ADVISING THEIR OTHAYA THIEVING THUG EMILIO KIBAKI TO STOP EXECUTING INNOCENT KENYANS.................

Anonymous said...

DAILY NATION NEWSPAPER PAID TO DISTORT PM RAILA ODINGA'S SPEECHES
SOURCES CONFIRM!~!!


***These are Raila's exact words***

"Because of the way Mr (Samuel) Kivuitu handled the 2007 elections, Kenyans want a chair who will be impartial. My suggestion would be that we even consider looking for a foreigner to head the commission"

!!!!And the subsequent Nation headline is!!

Foreigner best for electoral commission job, says PM

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/535008/-/yg8dr2z/-/index.html


KENYANS SHOULD BOYCOTT THE CHEAP GUTTER KIKUYU NEWSPAPER CALLED THE

DAILY NATION GUTTER PRESS... SHAME!SHAME! SHAME... DAILY NATION WILL NEVER BRING RAILA DOWN... MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRY ADVISING THEIR OTHAYA THIEVING THUG EMILIO KIBAKI TO STOP EXECUTING INNOCENT KENYANS.................

Anonymous said...

DAILY NATION NEWSPAPER PAID TO DISTORT PM RAILA ODINGA'S SPEECHES
SOURCES CONFIRM!~!!


***These are Raila's exact words***

"Because of the way Mr (Samuel) Kivuitu handled the 2007 elections, Kenyans want a chair who will be impartial. My suggestion would be that we even consider looking for a foreigner to head the commission"

!!!!And the subsequent Nation headline is!!

Foreigner best for electoral commission job, says PM

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/535008/-/yg8dr2z/-/index.html


KENYANS SHOULD BOYCOTT THE CHEAP GUTTER KIKUYU NEWSPAPER CALLED THE

DAILY NATION GUTTER PRESS... SHAME!SHAME! SHAME... DAILY NATION WILL NEVER BRING RAILA DOWN... MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRY ADVISING THEIR OTHAYA THIEVING THUG EMILIO KIBAKI TO STOP EXECUTING INNOCENT KENYANS.................

Anonymous said...

anon8:44 AM

hey we all know that the DAILY NATION is owned by mt. Kenya mafia even kibaki has shares in the damn newspaper, it shouldn't surprise kenyans what the print.

but yu are right kenyans should boycott the gutter news paper called daily nation like we did in December2007 through January 2008
when we discovered those Daily nation vans were being used to ferry guns to kill other tribes especially in Nakuru and Naivasha.

people should burn those vans and stop buying the daily nation paper.. the attack by pen is the same as the ferrying of crude weapons to slaughter innocent Kenyan


boycott the daily nation
boycott the daily nation
it is indeed a central province gutter press-I support you on this one 100%

kalamari said...

And just so you know where I’m coming from:

After many years abroad, I moved back to Kenya about three years ago. Makaratasi zilikata kuingiana.

One of my neighbors was also moving back to Kenya during the same time. We became friends because we were going through the same shocking experiences. Visiting Kenya is fine lakini coming back to live after over ten years is something very different.

Anyway, this neighbor of mine was a pediatric surgeon specializing in invasive surgery. I cannot give you more details. This jamaa was approaching his late forties and had been in some of the best US schools for over 16 years. He had worked off his debt by working in state hospitals for years. He was essentially approaching the money making part of his career. He had a choice, he could open a consultancy or private practice and make the millions associated with the type of surgery he specialized in or he could work in a teaching hospital where he could transfer his immense knowledge in infantile surgery to upcoming student doctors.

Before he made up his mind, he came to Kenya alongside one of those international medical groupings. This was a surgical unit with the task of cosmetically repairing cleft palates in children. While having a beer somewhere in Naivasha, he once told me that the experience of that trip is what made him decide to come back to his country. The lack of surgical resources in Kenya was amazing. He felt Kenyans needed him more than he needed millions. According to this jamaa, the mortality rate of children under five could be cut in half with a few years of retraining the few surgeons in Kenya.

Wait a minute, look at the proposition here: A life making millions of dollars in the US or a life of rushing to dusty district hospitals to save the lives of peasant children? My neighbor chose Kenya.

This neighbor of mine was shot dead during a 3PM carjacking episode on Thika road. He was driving a 1994 Toyota Corolla. They found his wallet with fifteen US dollars and defaced pictures of his wife and two young girls. Those who witnessed the daylight event say the four attackers had managed to take over his vehicle and thrown him out. They had driven about fifty meters then reversed and pumped three bullets into my neighbors head. They then sped off. They were never caught.

At the time of his death, he was in the process of setting up a special unit specifically for the underprivileged children at a medium level hospital. He had been in Kenya for exactly five months and 21 days.

Now tell me, do the four carjackers really deserve a day in court. To say what?

Anonymous said...

Anon8:44 AM

Daily nation kumpavu sana mavi ya kuku kikuyu press- look at the journalists and the directors who run the paper? no brains they were put there by kibaki and his PNU former Narc hatch men to control the views of the kenyans people the way Bush Kibaki's friend did with the America's look what happened??

Obama happened and now the Americans are awake to all the shiate Bush threw at them.

Daily nation Kibaki and PNU mouth piece won't get far because Kenyans discovered then in 2007 that it was a kikuyu mouth piece gutter press, so if i were you wouldn't worry believe me most kenyans are more intelligent than those foolish goons at the nation newspaper with "0" IQ

The Daily nation offices and staff are called the red light district of kenya.. sex and no work is all they know since the kibaki and PNU tells them what to write each day

the filthy dirty scumbags-

Anonymous said...

DAILY NATION NEWSPAPER PAID TO DISTORT PM RAILA ODINGA'S SPEECHES
SOURCES CONFIRM!~!!


***These are Raila's exact words***

"Because of the way Mr (Samuel) Kivuitu handled the 2007 elections, Kenyans want a chair who will be impartial. My suggestion would be that we even consider looking for a foreigner to head the commission"

!!!!And the subsequent Nation headline is!!

Foreigner best for electoral commission job, says PM

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/535008/-/yg8dr2z/-/index.html


KENYANS SHOULD BOYCOTT THE CHEAP GUTTER KIKUYU NEWSPAPER CALLED THE

DAILY NATION GUTTER PRESS... SHAME!SHAME! SHAME... DAILY NATION WILL NEVER BRING RAILA DOWN... MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRY ADVISING THEIR OTHAYA THIEVING THUG EMILIO KIBAKI TO STOP EXECUTING INNOCENT KENYANS.................

2/26/09 8:44 AM

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:50 AM
Your god told you to boycott everything owned by kikuyus, hey, i still see you withdrawing cash from a Kikuyu bank, u still lives in Kikuyu owned houses, u still take a kikuyu owned mathrees, and still take milk from Kikuyu diaries..... Come on people make up your minds, if its boycott, boycott it for good!

Mama said...

Kalamari at 8.55 your tale is so sad! I agree with your sentiments, there can never be justice for that doctor, the way courts work here. Prosecuting the robbers is not enough.

Anonymous said...

Kalamari, you made a fatal mistake to return to Kenya! You know if you don't have makaratasi you can live under?

Anonymous said...

I am not convinced its Ali to go, is there any police commisioner that is not biased? Look at the UK for example, the police commisioner is appointed by the mayor making the position very heavily influenced by party politics

Same thing happening in Kenya

Anonymous said...

Kalamari,
since you have lived in a mzungu country, why don't you tell these mzungu- asslicking morons like Chris and Taabu to stop kissing and licking Mzungu asses!

Anonymous said...

Kalamari, can you imagine, you couldn't get papers and so you returned to this lawless country, but, we have an immigration minister dishing out makaratasi here in kenya to anyone who wish under the blessings of this stupid Prime Minister! does that not hurt you?

Anonymous said...

ANOTHER REASON TO KILL MUNGIKI

Victims of Mungiki terror and extortion on Thursday accused human rights groups of ignoring their plight and instead fighting for the rights of their tormentors.

Matatu operators and other businesspeople in the Nairobi’s Eastlands said the rights advocates were helping the extortion gang to continue with its criminal ways.

On Tuesday night, suspected Mungiki sect adherents petrol-bombed a bus in Eastleigh. Owners of the Route 9 vehicle had allegedly not paid protection fees to the Mungiki. The driver and conductor escaped with minor burns.

More than 300 operators on the route went on strike, paralysing transport to the city centre. They claimed members of the gang had returned after a near two-year lull that followed a massive crackdown by the police in 2007.

Supporting sect

“This route has over 400 matatus and each has to part with not less than Sh400 daily,’’ said Mr Daudi Mohamed, an operator on the route.

The matatu owners now want rights groups to weigh their options before supporting the sect’s members, who have increasingly been hunted down by the police, most disappearing without trace.

Their call came just after UN Special Rapporteur on extra-judicial killings Philip Alston ended a 10-day investigation that put Kenyan police on the spot over the deaths and disappearance of more than 500 youths linked to Mungiki.

The businesspeople now want police to crack down on the sect’s remnants. The operators, including drivers and touts, shouted: “Tyson, Tyson, wacha Tyson arudi, Tyson acoke wira (Let Tyson the return to work).” He was the law enforcer, who brought down crime levels in the area two years ago.

Anonymous said...

Mungiki as the world see them, broadcasted by UK Sky televison last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Gna1sUW3k

Anonymous said...

This bugger:philiph astron should be deported back to where he came from,with an immediate effect.Sometimes am left to wonder,when this dangerous gangs are harrasing people,beheading them,forcing them to pay illegal extortions...Nobody gives a damn.But when one of these bustards are killed,its violation of human rights.we saw it happen with Kiai(nusu ya uso yake ni mdomo) and now these Mkoloni astrol.
ali has done a commendable job infact he needs to reinforce the existing squad with over 10000 more able men.Even if they lack funds we the public can fundraise ,kwa sababu this thing mungiki is a ticking time bomb.


Kwekwe keep up the good work even if my father,brother or sister is a MUNGIKI,shoot to kill!

Chris,I never imagined that you could be such a boot licker.You cannot stoop that too low to lick a mzungus ass

Anonymous said...

One reason why Raila will never see state house is because he is a MUNGIKI sympathizer

Anonymous said...

without security there is no peace, no freedom to move, no business, no foreign investment providing jobs....solution is to call in the armed forces...Major Ali can join them!!...anyone knows why everytime kenyatta went to Mombasa for 1 month or so retail shops along digo road, moi avenue, and nkrumah road were broken into almost every other night.....???

Anonymous said...

STOOOOOOOOOOOOP Tribalism........TRIBALIST U SHALL ALL BURN N HELL

Anonymous said...

Such a long discussion! For what? in defence of life? Life is very very cheap in kenya, and africa generally. look at the traffic death reports. people plunge into "potential fire" to get 5 litres of gas. And these are people who have food. There is no famine in sachangwani or whatever. so if kenyans think their lives are worth 5 litres of gas, why all the fuss about some terrorists killed by ali's units.

Anonymous said...

Because of deep ingrained tribalism like the one exhibited in various comments above, am confident that Kenya will never be one country. And also the amount of tribal hatred just ensures that people who have suffered so much on earth will also end up in hell cos of vices like tibalism, hatred, corruption etc.

I also came back home from abroad cos i wanted to be near my near and dears. After living at home for several years and getting my postgraduate degree, I have to admit that i would rather face racism abroad than endure corruption, insecurity and tribalism at home, and i have packed again, back to the mzungu country.I have Luhya and Luo sisters and brothers,Kikuyu nieces and nephews and hundreds of Kalenjin and Masaai inlaws so that for me, I still dont understand how most Kenyans can afford this tribalism, given the very high cost associated with it!

Anonymous said...

tribalism and ethnic strife was much lower under moi...if you follow everything he says, his writing and books..you will see he rarely makes inflammatory statements..he is non ethnic, non racist and thinks nationally.

Anonymous said...

There are several factors driving us to tribalism.The major one being some tribes upholding themselves as superior to others.My experience with this terror gang,Mungiki has implanted a bitter hatred in me for anybody speaking the Kikuyu Language.If this is how they have been living with the Kalenjins,there are things I have began to comprehend.

I decided to venture into a transport business sometime last year, and it was digusting.I had to pay sh.70000 cash to operate on a particular route.I had to pay sh.10000 for my driver to be allowed in the same route and sh6000 for the turn boy.Thinking that this was enough;The crew were held hostage harrased and the next thing they did was resigning.infact each day they used to make between sh.9000 and sh.12000.I was told that I had not employed any of thier people and my business could not go on.

After threats to burn my Mat,I employed "their" driver.My fortunes began to dwindle because since then the maximum they ever brought home was sh.4000.

Give me any reason why I should not poison my Kikuyu neighbour?

Anonymous said...

During moi's time nobody complaint about police commissioners why maybe because they came from bigger tribes now there is a commissioner that comes from a minority tribe there is a problem even as he is efficiently effective in his job bravo good work soldier i salute you!

Anonymous said...

this kaprofessor coming from outside kenya arrives in the country for ten days never leaving the comfort of the city centre really has anything to tell the people of kenya police commissioner endelea na kazi. fyeka waizi wavivu wanokataa kutoa jasho.

Anonymous said...

Mzungu Arudi Kwao!!

Anonymous said...

I have lived in mzungu country and can tell you that kenyans and most africans-as well as asians- will always WORSHIP MZUNGU and NOT GET that they are treated LIKE CRAP in their own backyards. Mzungu worship MUST STOP if Kenyans/Africans are EVER to move an inch forward..but I am not holding my breath. Zungus are laughing at your collective low self esteem and just HOW MUCH they are able to use ya'll.
Understand their psychology..and many things will change. Fck Zungus, period. The v. evil imperialist opportunist FCKS.

Anonymous said...

why does everyone seem to support Ali's resignation? if anything, he has dealt decisively with these mungiki thugs and criminals who hide under the guise of religion and human rights. how comes no one ever thinks of the rights of the policemen killed by mungiki, business people who are extorted daily etc? we should stop this hypocrisy and hiding under human rights nonsense. thieves must be dealt with decisively once and for all and no one must be allowed to live off the sweat of others. Hassan Omar Hassan should start the campaign of human rights for policemen and not for thugs! Ashindwe yeye.

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