Pio Gama Pinto was warned by Mboya
Kumekucha ExclusiveThe other day I had a terrifying ordeal. I got lost somewhere in the dark Kenyan countryside as I was on my way to see a friend. I had been to the place at least twice before but always during the day. In my younger more reckless days I have walked in corners of Nairobi at ungodly hours and gotten away with it but it was still a scary ordeal knowing how unsafe even the remotest corners of our motherland can be sometimes, especially at night. But the point I want to make is that for me to find my way I had to go back to where I started. I retraced my steps to the small shopping center which I knew well and my hosts came to pick me up.
Many young folks have never understood why going back to the past will help our future. They are yet to grasp the truism that to understand the present and future, you must know the past thoroughly.
Pio Gama Pinto: Mystery of his assassination solved by Kumekucha informant
Ever since I launched this blog in May 2005, I have always believed that Kenya’s turnaround will start when the killers of one Tom Mboya (and others like JM and Robert Ouko) are brought to book. In fact the main man responsible for Mboya's assassination is still very much alive (more on that later). And so since 2005 I have consistently maintained the hobby of researching the murder of this great Kenyan and constantly seeking new evidence wherever it can be found. It has been a fulfilling and fascinating experience. You see we live in very exciting times popularly referred to as the information age. Information is much easier to find that it has ever been in history. So fascinating stuff has cropped up on the web and at other times from very unexpected quarters. You see people get old and their conscience starts disturbing them and all of a sudden they start revealing stuff. That is exactly what happened for me to come across the explosive information I am about to publish. This information has never been published before.
But before I do, let me also say that I love investigative detective shows on Television. But none more than Cold Case. It fascinates me that detectives can actually gather evidence from a crime scene 20 years after the crime was committed. The assassination of Tom Mboya one lunch time on July 5th 1969 remains a cold case because the main perpetrators have never been arrested. The guy who supposedly hung for the crime, only pulled the trigger.
Well here is the information I recently came across. It sheds new light into the assassinations of two great Kenyans.
• Both Tom Mboya and Pio Gama Pinto feared for their lives and suspected that they would be killed a few weeks before their deaths.
Fascinatingly, a week before Pinto’s murder Mboya warned Pinto that he would be assassinated, according to my impeccable source. This information shocked me because Pinto’s murder has always been a mystery and Mboya’s name has even been mentioned as one of the people in the then powerful Kanu Kenyatta camp that sanctioned the assassination.
My source says that Mboya told Pinto that despite their ideological differences Pinto needed to get out of the country because he was going to be killed. Mboya said that it was not in his power to prevent this happening. Pinto’s response was to ask Mboya why he was warning him. Mboya then said that he could not keep quiet about such a thing. Sadly Pinto did not believe that Kenyatta's inner circle were capable of murder. He told Mboya that his assassination would cause too much of an uproar in the country. Mboya insisted that they were still going to do it.
Dr Njoroge Mungai: Free as a bird in quiet, prosperous retirement as Mboya family agonizes.
• But even more shocking are revelations of a confrontation between Pinto and Kenyatta in parliament buildings shortly before Pinto was warned by Mboya. (Few people know that Pinto and Kenyatta had a long history. Right from the days when Kenyatta was detained, Pinto used to run errands for him and fund raise for him as well). Pinto had discovered that Kenyatta had allocated himself a total of 50 farms in Central province and Rift valley. Some of the farms had poor Kikuyu squatters who were to be evicted. Others were farms that had been owned by whites and sold back to the Kenyan government. Pinto was incensed by this and despite making overtures to Kenyatta not to go ahead with the evil he was doing, Kenyatta adamantly stuck to his guns. Pinto decided to move a vote of no confidence in Kenyatta. Kenyatta confronted him within the precincts of parliament and challenged him over the no confidence vote. When Pinto refused to back down Kenyatta called him a bastard to which Pinto immediately responded by telling Kenyatta in front of witnesses and other cabinet ministers that he (Kenyatta) was also a bastard. A stunned friend pulled Pinto aside and asked him how he could call Kenyatta a bastard to which Pinto retorted, ‘he called me one first’. It was shortly after this incident that the decision was made to kill Pinto.
Jaramogi Oginga Odinga had arranged for Pinto to hide in Mombasa and if necessary sneak out of the country from there. However Joseph Murumbi (who was to be appointed Vice President later that year) heard about this and said it was not possible for Kenyatta to kill Pinto. He promised to speak to Kenyatta himself and diffuse the situation. He told Odinga to put Pinto on the train back to Nairobi and pick him up from the station.
• The day of Pinto’s death he was to move the motion in the afternoon session. Two fiat cars drew up at his house that morning. They were both taxis. The drivers had been paid kshs 7,000 each to do the job. There were plain clothes CID officers with them in car to ensure their escape. Pinto was killed in cold blood. It has never been revealed before but it was the realization that Pinto’s assassination had been carried out by Kenyatta insiders that led to the resignation of Joseph Murumbi as Vice President.
• Some months later a friend of Pinto’s got a phone call from a man who claimed he knew Pinto’s killers. They agreed to meet. The man said he was a taxi driver and knew who had pulled the trigger. They (Pinto’s friend and the taxi driver) then went to a brothel where the man said the killer frequented. He said he always wore a red shirt. Some time later the man came out of the brothel somewhere in Westlands. The man surprisingly admitted to being the killer. He said that some CID officers had approached him for a job and had paid him KShs 7,000. He argued that it was so much money for a poor man that he quickly agreed.
• On Tom Mboya, my source just confirmed information I already have. Mboya too had been warned by his American friends that Kenyatta was planning to kill him. They offered him body guards to which Mboya refused. Mboya’s assassination was organised by Njoroge Mungai who was the “Mr Fix it” in Kenyatta’s inner circle. The dirty man in Kenyattas inner circle, my source calls him. Charles Njonjo’s job was to protect him. My source also calls Njoroge Mungai the ‘organiser’.
Chris,
ReplyDeleteHow dare you come back after such a lull to DISAPPOINT without some soofty SERMON? You are a tribalist and you cannot hide it better. You have failed your fans by not stroking their egos. We hate the truth and you know.
So why butcher egos with those revelations instead of discussing the majimbo budget? Kenyans hate hard talk and love more evangelism, please provide more of that.
That said you are spot on. Untill we confront our dark past we are only fortifying castles of deception and hubris.
Impeccable research.
ReplyDeleteSomething quite similar was told to me by a retired CIA officer who was station chief, Connor xxxxx, US Embassy, Nairobi, in the 1960s.
All Kenyans, that is why we need a:
ReplyDeleteTRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION that will unearth all the demons of Kenya's past.
BTW, Mboya himself was later killed by this same group. In 1975, JM also fell victim to this very same bloodthirsty group of killers.
ReplyDeleteThey killed Pinto, nothing happened
ReplyDeleteThey killed Mboya, nothing happened
They Killed JM, Kenyans were cool
They killed Ouko all was well
Moi rigged many elections, nothing happened
They stole from Kenyans for years, life continued as normal
Then they rigged the 2007 elections...
What happened was many years of bottled anger and pent-up emotions
But still our politicians continue to play games...
So what do you think will happen next?
Methinks it has already started.
Am told hawkers in Nairobi these days do not allow City council askaris to arrest them. They fight back.
The problem with a cowardly dog that runs away for years is that the day it is cornered and has to fight back..... HEH!!!
-Chris-
Even I am ready to forget my tribe to learn this true history of my country right here and get the hole truth.
ReplyDeletePresident Mwai Kibaki was the main "voice of the people" at the J.M.Kariuki's burial and he swore the killers would be brought to book even if it took 100 years. This is the 7th year since he took over the reigns of power. Has he not called for JM's file to scrutinize it and order for fresh investigtations? Just curious.
ReplyDeleteAs for Dr. Robert John Ouko, virtually all people involved in attempting to finger the culprit(s) have died mysteriously starting with inernal Security PS (H.N. Oyugi) to the most junior (constable). Dr. Ouko's murder and the Nyayo torture chambers remains a major blot in Moi's rule. May be Moi will one day give an interview to tell Kenyans anything he knew about Ouko's murder, a man who sang only Moi's praises all over the world as foreign minister.
HISTORY KEEPS ON REPEATING ITSELF. WE NEVER SEEM TO LEARN.
ReplyDelete* THE PAST:
Pinto had discovered that Kenyatta had allocated himself a total of 50 farms in Central province and Rift valley. Some of the farms had poor Kikuyu squatters who were to be evicted. Others were farms that had been owned by whites and sold back to the Kenyan government. Pinto was incensed by this and despite making overtures to Kenyatta not to go ahead with the evil he was doing, Kenyatta adamantly stuck to his guns.
* THE PRESENT.
IMPUNITY STILL PERSISTS, ONLY THIS TIME IT IS DEVOURING IT'S OWN WITH A VENGEANCE. BUT NONE THE LESS, THE CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE CONTINUES...
Why are leaders from central province so cagey and guarded about lambasting these blood suckers, neck choppers, decapitators and machetes wielders? No prizes for guessing. The fruits of IMPUNITY have come back home to central province to roost.
The Mungiki menace is symptomatic of IMPUNITY BACFIRING and primitive community "values" that worship money and its aquisition by any means necessary, especially illegal means. The truth is unpleasant and our central province brothers and sisters do not want to hear it, although they are the biggest victims of their own mungiki and vigilante brothers brutality and savageness.
Until they face up to the present challenges and call a spade for what it is and not an earth relocating device, they stand accused of watering the unholy trinity of HUBRIS, DECEPTION and FRAUD that aptly define their "values" to their own peril as is currently happening and will continue to happen.
Right now most members of the Kikuyu community who live in Nairobi are very scared of visiting their shags/homesquared as the they fear that wata kata katwa na mapanga kama kuku by these - Mungiki/vigilante brutes - members of their own community. This is crazy. What happened to their "fables" of engaging in real industry, enterprise and hard work? It has always been a big LIE.
Daily Nation’s heart rendering gory tale of a husband being asked to pay for "services rendered" by Mungiki after gang raping his wife in his presence should paint a very sad picture to the Mt Kenya community, but still the conspiracy of silence continues.
Central province, your biggest enemy resides within your own community. You have no reason to look for scapegoats such as Raila anymore. You are your own worst enemies.
In 1975 Mwai "pumbavu" Kibaki was the main "voice of the people" at J.M. Kariuki's burial and he swore publicly that the killers would be brought to book even if it took 100 years. This is the 7th year since he took over the reigns of power and true to his nature he has done absolutely nothing.
Welcome back, Chris. Seems like a month of introspection has made you harden your fist and forced a crash-landing on the nose of Bwana Mungai.
ReplyDeleteThis is excellent investigation. If only the folks at Nation and standard could do the same. But again, Kumekucha enjoys being a trailblazer on matters of this nature.
Let the media folks snore on!
-sam-
I really think ours is a country packed with cowardly morons. Why can't these issues be dug up proper and debated thoroughly in ODM dominated parliament starting with who killed Ouko?
ReplyDeleteOuko's killers are well alive and well known and can be seen lecturing the nation on various TV shows. Heroes like Pinto and JM should be honoured by having streets and stadiums named after them instead of the hypocritical names of Moi and Kenyatta.
You can imagine if "suspect" Dr. Njoroge Mungai joined any major political party, say ODM, he would be paraded in front of the world's media and hailed as a hero and visionary. Any criminal charges preferred against him would be dismissed as 'witch hunt' or the usual dosage of "they want to finish my tribe" nonsense.
Amkeni wakenya.
Hey presto! Let's also know who shot and killed 400 luo brothers when in post election violence. Who killed Alexander Kipsang arap Muge? Who killed Father Kaiser? Who killed Kamau Kingara? Who shot and killed 5,000 young jobless men in Gemaland between 2003 and 2008? Who killed informant Kiriinya? Who makes up the kwekwe squad? Who wants to kill Muite? Who shot and killed a hawker last week during demos? WE NEED ALL THE TRUTH...
ReplyDeleteM-pesa, you said:
ReplyDelete"ours is a country packed with cowardly morons. Why can't these issues be dug up proper and debated thoroughly in ODM dominated parliament starting with who killed Ouko?"
How "convenient" of you. Why start with Ouko first. Stop being cheeky. We should start with Pinto (1965), then Mboya (1969), then Josiah Mwangi Kariuki(1975) then Ouko (1990). We should deal with all our ugly and rotten history in the face and in public for this country to forge ahead in a more constructive direction.
M-pesa, I can bet you my last shilling that even if ODM tried to introduce these things in parliament, the PNU wing of government that is STRONGLY PRO STATUS QUO will resist it to the maximum - remember they hold all the levers of power and influence that matter and that can also be used to block such a move at any stage they see fit.
In Kenya, IMPUNITY reigns supreme, and it did not start today or yesterday. It started way back in the 1960's
Check out this grandfather of IMPUNITY (Uhuru "many acres of grabbed and stolen land" Muigai Kenyatta's Dad - Mzee Jomo Kenyatta):
Less that 2 years after Kenya attained independence from Britain, Pinto had discovered that Kenyatta had allocated himself a total of 50 large farms in Central province and Rift valley.
Some of the farms had poor Kikuyu squatters who were to be evicted - adn they were later evicted.
Others were farms that had been owned by whites and sold back to the Kenyan government. Pinto was incensed by this and despite making overtures to Kenyatta not to go ahead with the evil he was doing, Kenyatta adamantly stuck to his guns.
what do you have against young teenagers?shouldn't we be more concerned that nowadays they are driving small cars with few CCs and before i let you off the hook tell me how powerful was the car your hosts drove?
ReplyDeletemeanwhile whoever said the truth sets free forgot to mention that freedom comes with a price. no discounts allowed and we're all just waiting for the final straw that will break the camel's back
PS:-if you get a chance please also watch the C.S.I. detective mystery show on KTN this is one of my favourite programmes and its by far better than a Rambo movie
@MPESA,
ReplyDeleteOfficially, nobody is going to tell you the truth about all these Killings. This will only happen when Kenyans elect a true leader at the Presidential level. Someone who will be willing to bite the bullet and confront the evil past at great risk to his/her own life.
We really need to understand that the Kenyan President since independence continues to serve at best as a Black Governor - protecting neo-colonial interests and at worse, the Patron of Corruption in Kenya.
Chris, now that you are back from hibernation, can you commence a vigorous debate on how we can rid ourselves off these thugs sucking our lives dry from State house and parliament?
Fascinating information Chris
ReplyDeleteThere is however one minor inconsistency when its reported that
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Sadly Pinto did not believe that Kenyatta's inner circle were capable of murder. He told Mboya that his assassination would cause too much of an uproar in the country.
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Jaramogi Oginga Odinga had arranged for Pinto to hide in Mombasa and if necessary sneak out of the country from there. However the then vice president Joseph Murumbi heard about this and said it was not possible for Kenyatta to kill Pinto. He promised to speak to Kenyatta himself and diffuse the situation. He told Odinga to put Pinto on the train back to Nairobi and pick him up from the station.
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If he could not believe them capable of murder then there would be no reason to hide, ready to flee the country (be smuggled out of the country is what used to happen those days)
I think this is rather interesting news, lets wait to hear further to ratify this or completely trash it.
Another part I dont get is why not just send the CID officers, why hire two guys and then hire CID officers to go along, was it to protect the killers, ensure the job got done, set a blackmail trap for the killers, send a message to future dissenters (impunity)
keep them coming chris
Kumekucha,
ReplyDeleteAs History repeats itself, who are the next victims on the hit list???
Well, very interesting soap opera.
ReplyDeleteSidney Sheldon stuff-Fascinating,'unputdownable', almost real!
ReplyDeleteYou see what this is. Mungiki the ruthless killers existed very early in Kenyan history.
ReplyDeleteThe first ruthless murderer was Kenyatta.
...Kenyans, you have your weapons in your hand. Let the last murderer be Kibaki. Vote for a real liberator in 2012.
ReplyDelete'Liberators' oiyeeeeeee! I now declare myself the Chief Campaigner for a real liberator in 2012. Can some one give me the names of these liberator candidates?
ReplyDeleteVery interesting read. Thank you Chris.
ReplyDeleteI'm still trying to understand whether Mboya's and Pinto's assassinations were state sanctioned, or were they the work of individuals, who just happened to work for the government.
Victoria:
ReplyDeleteSee Ledama olekina
this is as good as watching softcore porn; poor evidence, scant information such as an anonymous brothel somewhere in the westlands, no name killers who wear red shirts. c'mon now who are you writing for ? high-schoolers. Did you ever see cold case detectives pursue anyone without a name? he simply wears a red shirt, with Kshs 7000 in the early 70s, knowing fully well you were under investigation wearing the same shirt you wore to a high profile crime. This sounds like you took a page off 'African Short Stories' great conspiracy theories always leave out the details remember that next time you do some scholarly research
ReplyDelete3.26, I am actually Victor. How is Ledama Olekina a liberator? I have been checking him out and all the buzz he is creating in some quarters, but I think we should be more substantive than that. Should I vote for u SOLELY because you have never been in politics before. Is that a qualification? Well, like I said, I don't know much about him, but his startegy seems to be drawn from the Sam Okello political handbook--something like vote for me because I am not an MP. It may work with some people, but I doubt if does with the majority. Certainly not with me.
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteSince NDP went into cooperation with KANU in 1998, why do you think Raila Ondinga has never supported a parliamentary motion to discuss the killers of Ouko? He even made sure the Luo MP who headed the parliamentary committee of inquiry into Ouko's murder was not re-elected. Why ... why ... why?
If you want to know what would be the mother of all exposes, that would be it!! And part of the answer can be traced to the billions in the Kisumu molasses. Ouko's family can only see people driving hammers on TV while the family swims in poverty. Shame be upon the "messiah!!!"
Hello URClnc,
ReplyDeletePls find my answers below in italics.
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Sadly Pinto did not believe that Kenyatta's inner circle were capable of murder. He told Mboya that his assassination would cause too much of an uproar in the country.
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Jaramogi Oginga Odinga had arranged for Pinto to hide in Mombasa and if necessary sneak out of the country from there. However the then vice president Joseph Murumbi heard about this and said it was not possible for Kenyatta to kill Pinto. He promised to speak to Kenyatta himself and diffuse the situation. He told Odinga to put Pinto on the train back to Nairobi and pick him up from the station.
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If he could not believe them capable of murder then there would be no reason to hide, ready to flee the country (be smuggled out of the country is what used to happen those days)
Having had my life threatened I probably understood this scenario so well that I assumed a lot when writing this and the result was that my writing was not clear enough. Human nature is such that no matter what doubts one has when they receive info that their lives are in danger, the tendency is to play it safe and assume that the info is accurate. Better safe than sorry. Gama Pinto, despite his doubts played it safe and left for Mombasa. However reassurances from the then VP got him back to Nairobi pronto.
Another part I dont get is why not just send the CID officers, why hire two guys and then hire CID officers to go along, was it to protect the killers, ensure the job got done, set a blackmail trap for the killers, send a message to future dissenters (impunity).
Interesting question this one. Remember that this was the 60s and impunity had not reached today's levels. So it was unthinkable to have a policeman do the hit. Better have somebody else and then the police clean up.
There is no doubt that there were several police officers who witnessed Tom Mboya's shooting as well. I mean the whole place was crowded with cops seconds after the shooting (and it was Saturday lunch time!). One reason for this would be to clean up the crime scene of any damning evidence (or witnesses). Secondly in an operation of this nature you need your man on the ground to communicate up to the second developments so that decisions can be made quickly in case anything goes wrong.
Also notice the presence of a second gunman in case the first one developed cold feet (or misses). Standard Mafia procedure in the old days. Again I have come across evidence of a second gunman at the scene of Mboya's assassination.
Things have greatly changed since those days. We have all sorts of sophisticated communication equipment and impunity has reached the level where nobody worries anymore about cops doing actual hits. Plus automatic weapons are widely available these days, meaning that you don't even need to aim carefully as you would with a revolver.
Vikii, one thing is for certain, Stephen Musyoka has never been and will never be a liberator. He is only good at kissing ass and never realizes he's being fed sh*t until it is too late, so look elsewhere you poor soul. For all his faults Raila is still one of our great leaders who has faught for Kenyans and suffered on their behalf, I know deep down you know this.
ReplyDeleteSomething else I need to mention.
ReplyDeleteFuture investigators into these crimes will need to look for consistent patterns in the hits.
Gama Pinto's and Tom Mboya's have uncanny similarities that suggest they were both planned and executed by the same person.
-Chris-
Victor:
ReplyDeleteIt would help if you stopped running your mouth before engaging the gray cells. Ledama olekina has been working hard to provide education to people in Narok and in organizing people for the provision of services eg water. These count as substantive efforts to improve people's condition and as steps in a direction that can liberate them from poverty and dependence. It is unfortunate that you dub him as having read off of Sam Okello's political handbook entitled mein kampf.
http://kumekucha.blogspot.com/2006/07/more-on-ben-gethi.html
ReplyDeletein your previous kumekucha post did you not reveal ben gethi handled JM, and word is that mboya was handled by the man charged who came out of the car mboya was in and shot and disappeard - the same man who was caught and then released to go to Ethopia etc - did you not reveal this before.
Ok am stil hungry wth ol ths so calld goin back!!!
ReplyDeleteso taabu posts a comment in the name of kk then blames chris. Taabu you are a motherf&*kin insolent ape. Peleka matako yako chooni
ReplyDeleteThis is what I don't understand, why do Chris like visiting the past? Does this show Chris is somehow retarded! or he thinks we need history lessons? Let me ask you Chris, even if we know who killed Mboya or Pinto are you going to prosecute them? Chris, keep out of past and look into making future a better place!
ReplyDeleteWho was pinto? who was Mboya? me i just want Ung for my family. Can you give me that Taabu/Chris?
ReplyDeleteHistory lessons dont warm up my tummy
And who were the real killers of JFK, and his brother later? OR MLK? OR Julius Caesar Or Adonijah (wanted to succeed King David). Assassinations are a ncessary part of politics. I think there is a book about that. Do the research.
ReplyDeleteChris, are you married?
ReplyDeleteThree Generations of Thieves!
ReplyDeleteIn the fifties and sixties Oginga Ondinga stole from fellow Luos through the Luo Thrift Company. With the money he started his personal company EA Specter.
Raila Ondinga conned his fellow Luos to contribute and buy the Kisumu Molasses. Soon after he sold the controlling shareholding to foreigners while retaining a multi-billion share to himself and family. Poor Luos have less than 5% and have never seen a dividend.
Fast forward and you have Fidel Odinga causing artificial national famine by stealing maize and reselling it in South Sudan to get money to maintain his high-cost Kikuyu wife.
And they are not done yet. I hear there is a Junior Fidel on the way to finish the job of his forebearers!!!
On Pinto, wasnt he a communist? werent communists being eliminated at whaterever cost with the support of USA and allies? Then why blame Kenyatta?
ReplyDeleteOn Mboya i ask one question; wasnt Mboya a CIA agent? Doest this then constitute treason according to our laws? If both answers are YES, then didnt he deserve what he got but the method was flawed
On JM, wasnt he warned about his careless habit of donating twice the amount Kenyatta did during Harambees? what message was he sending to the old man? where was he getting all the money?
On Ouko, wasnt he the defender of Moi all along? why did he present himself like the president during the USA trip? why didnt he follow protocol?
Chris first ask yourself these questions and think deeply considering the time of the murders. The world was going through cold war, there were many coups in and around Africa, many countries were at infancy? and many citizens were illitrate
Sasa jaluos are saying that Mboya was a hero, yet Mboya behaved the same way Tuju behaved under Kibaki. Mboya worked round the clock to frustrate Odinga, communists like pinto and any other non kenyatta supporter. Some idiot called Mbiyu made a mistake of taking him out without kenyattas orders, just like Biwott took out Ouko without Mois go ahead. The two presidents were shocked by the killings but had to sanction a coverup since both men were close to the presidents and shared many secrets between them. Exposing Mbiyu and Biwott would have greatly damaged Kenyatta and Moi respectively
ReplyDeleteNow JM is a hero? i wish you knew the details
ReplyDeleteI have been reading an interesting book about the history of Singapore. These guys even asked for our advise in the early 60's. Now their country is 100 times ours economically
ReplyDeleteThe problem with kenyans is we dont think.
ReplyDeleteBREAKING NEWS
ReplyDeleteWater is drying up in Nairobi. Researchers estimate that in the next 3 months there will be no water in Nairobi. The Govt is exploring options of moving the capital to some other area near a water body. Others have suggested digging boreholes but experts say that this is only temporary. Others have suggested a 24 inch pipe from Lake Nakuru however, this has been considered costly and will only serve to diminish the lakes dwindling water level
Why are Kaleos such a problem? what did the environment do to them? Dont they know any other business than selling charcoal? Please wake up and stop destroying Mau forest.
ReplyDeleteChris/ Taabu and others,
ReplyDeleteHERE IS THE REAL PROBLEM. ENVIRONMENT. YOUR CONTINUED IGNORANCE ON THIS MATTER IS SUPRISING. ASK YOURSELF, HOW MANY TREES HAVE YOU PLANTED?
The govt should force all companies to make it mandatory for ALL its employees to plant at least 10 trees in a year. This should include protecting the trees until out of danger. This should be included in the staff annual performance measurement. The companies should also be measured and punished accordingly on activities that damage or improve the environment. Companies that comply and improve enviromnet should be given tax incentives
ReplyDelete@LUKE
ReplyDeleteWhat's all the hullabaloo with some minister refusing to replace a gas guzzler with 1.8cc "teenager's" ride? Can't you folks see through his name... soita SHITanda..??
Basi pia tujue who orchestrated the WAGALLA MASSACRE (1984) and GARISSA MASSACRE (1980) in North Eastern province. Between 300 and 10,000 innocent Kenyan Somalis were executed in cold blood by our armed forces.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagalla_massacre
Kikuyu culture suffers from moral and cultural corruption.
ReplyDeleteThe few Kikuyus who have dared question corruption, assasinations, tribalism, thievery, etc, people like Kaggia, JM, Githongo, Maathai, Wanyiri Kihoro, are always deemed enemies of the Nyumba ya Mumbi. Why? Is not corruption bad?
The onus is on the many Kikuyus who continue supporting the depravity that pervades the Kikuyu society, especially the immoral and unethical ways and values their leaders Jomo Kenyatta, Kibaki, Uhuru, and others have consistently promoted and many Kikuyus have chosen to emulate.
To ALL Kikuyus out there, YOU can make your culture better. Really. If the racist U.S. could rid itself of the yoke of slavery, and later on, segragationist ways of Jim Crow, the least the Kikuyu nation can do is for every individual Kikuyu to vow that they will autonomously and independently free himself/herself and unshackle from the community's chains of tribal psychological backwardness.
If the avowedly racist pre-civil war and Jim Crowe U.S. could change, so too can YOU Kikuyus.
To truly understand the culture you are referring to look no further than their kin, the chimpanzee.
ReplyDeleteChimps are highly territorial and are known for their penchant for dominance and territorial struggles, oh, and also to kill other chimps; very brutally, if I may add.
I agree with your comments that the problem lies in the values or lack thereof manifest in the Kikuyu community. Jomo Kenyatta as president used to encourage Kikuyus to steal as long as they did not get caught!!
ReplyDeleteThe pumbavu values of Kikuyus (FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT) are now backfiring with a vengeance back on them.
ReplyDeleteThat is why they are VERY BUSY extorting from their fellow kyuks, stealing from one another, chopping their fellow Kikuyu's heads off (Chop, chop, chop, chop....), forcing one another to hang themselves in the dead of the night..... and other ghastly and gory acts.
Most Kyuks who live in Nairobi are very scared of visiting their rural areas in central province as they fear being chopped up with pangas at night by their own tribesmen. The chickens have come back home to central province to roost - with very loud, ghastly and gory consequences.
The onus is on the many Kikuyus who continue supporting the depravity that pervades the Kikuyu society, especially the immoral and unethical ways (especially of "making" money) and values their leaders Jomo Kenyatta, Kibaki, Uhuru, and others have consistently promoted and many Kikuyus have blindly chosen to emulate.
Bottom line: FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT are very PUMBAVU values to live by. They always backfire with ghastly consequences as we are currently seeing happening in central province.
What does Raila Odinga encourage Wajaruo to do? Fling their poop out the window as he steals their unga?
ReplyDeleteRaila Odinga has everything to do with the Munguki menace. It is obvioua what is happening right now. The same cycle of open and vicious hatred against the kikuyu has begun and this time around the idea is to suggest that kikuyus are so screwed up you cant even trust them. The only problem is that the wajaruo are rather lonely on this. the coastals are out. the kales, a good portion will be moving to odm and so on. raila is finished politically and the next set of violent clashes will happen in the jaruo areas bordering the kales--remember owiro farm and all? tha kales are sharpening their arrows for y'all!!!
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ReplyDeletethat was UDM above.
I dont know what some of you are on about many Kikuyu's do not support this culture of impunity, stop painting us with the same brush, we are all individuals with different views, you have to understand that Kikuyu's have been relatively supportive of other tribes, up until they were pushed in a corner and made to defend themselves, they didnt necessarily want to deal with these leaders, but what would you suggest?
ReplyDeleteKenyans must stop denying that there is deep tribalism which affects Kikuyu's too. Esp 2.44 am and 2.32 am, why do you think it is the community that has put these guys on a pedestal? You think that the community hasnt been trying to change the modus operandi currently in place? That is your ignorance, if you know history you will know that change has been championed for a long time, and even Mboya, Raila, Pinto have all had kikuyu supporters, in the same way other tribes have supported kikuyu leaders.
Please, go confirm facts before you paint everyone with the same brush. The problem in Kenya is that we focus so much on psychological analyses and blaming others that we fail to see that progress doesnt come from squabbling, if you want change you need to start looking at people as individual Kenyans, not bound by their community.
ask raira how and why James Bett of emo foundation died. history is right here with us--no need to go back to the boring 60s.
ReplyDeleteKweli dunia ina mambo.
ReplyDeleteWhen Mwai "pumbavu" Kibaki stole the elections of december 2007, panua mongrels from the Mt Kenya community claimed that he won "fair and square." PUMBAFF!! What a big lie. They, with a lot of impunity, told us: Mtado?
Now the shoe is on the other foot. Central province and the kyuk diaspora in Kenya is experiencing a lot of SELF INFLICTED MADNESS. There is extortion, theft, ghastly and gory murders..... All of these things are being done on Kikuyus by their own fellow Kyuks.
It does not pay to engage in fraud, theft and deception. Kikuyus make it worse by making it a way of life.
Kikuyu Mungiki Interahamwe genocidiares versus Kikuyu Vigilante Interahamwe genocidaires.
ReplyDeletePractically every evil in Kenya can be traced back to one man called Johnston Kamau Jomo Kenyatta.
kanyakwarmolassesss @ 3:33 AM, you said:
ReplyDelete"No need to go back to the boring 60s."
Hear, hear, hear:
Another panua mongrel fraudulently trying to decieve people (kanyakwarmolassesss, you are a typical and classic fraudulent, decieving and stealing panua mongrel)
He does not want us to go back to the '60's because it is boring but because there are too many ugly skeletons during that period associated with the elite of the Kikuyu community that he would rather lay hidden and away from our view.
impunity, impunity, imp-whatever nonsense. a quick, uncritical look at odm will reveal what impunity means. bure kabisa.
ReplyDeletethey hate kikuyus so much that they even want to be anointed kikuyu elders. go grab a toilet and a carpet. useless!!
so what's the next step now, you MAD ones? the gas chambers? we are waiting!
ReplyDeleteso mboya, an enemy to the MAD when alive becomes a a super-hero 40 years later. ha,ha.
ReplyDeleteso what now with all this "history"?
go uproot the railway!
Of course not all Kyuks are bad, no no. It is the many bad ones lacking in morals and ethics that mess it up for the rational and moral ones like 3:30AM.
ReplyDeleteLet us not forget that the liberated Kyuks who were strong supporters of either Pio, Mboya, or double O, were eventually ostracized or referred to as the enemy within by Kenyatta. Their sole offence? They were fighting for fairness, justice and equality for all Kenyans.
Since those heady days of the 1960's , there is a lacunae in the Kyuk community; where is the critical mass of liberated Kyuks? Today only the real strong-willed individuals like the Maathais or Kihoros of this world can dare challenge the ultra conservative and shameful self-aggrandizing Kikuyu leadership fronted by Kibaki and Uhuru.
Anons 3:56 AM and 3:58 AM,
ReplyDeleteDon't get emotional it makes you do the things you have just done: Kuropoka matope.
I see the truth about Kikuyu's and their pumbavu values of fraud, deception and theft have really touched a raw nerve within you. Poleni sana. Get prepared to be rattled even more.
.....Genocide in Kikuyuland being unleashed on Kikuyu's by Kikuyu's themselves...... You Kyuks never seem to learn. Fraud, deception and theft do not pay. They always backfire with deadly consequences as is happening in central province right now!!
@3:58 don't waste your time waiting for the gas chambers just wait for either your Mungikis or the "Vigirantes" panga as it slices your neck or amputates your grubby fingers. Gas chamber? That would be too civilized.
ReplyDeleteAnon 3:58 AM,
ReplyDeleteYou said,
"so what's the next step now, you MAD ones? the gas chambers? we are waiting!"
Well, given the rate at which Kikuyus are "visting" deadly, ghastly and gory things on one another, the gas chambers could be next - although the "script" will still be the same. It will be Kikuyu's throwing their fellow Kikuyu's into the gas chambers. You MAD Kikuyu's, you never learn.
@3:56AM, you do seem pretty pi$#$*d off by these comments. By chance, was your father involved in any of these murders or assasinations?
ReplyDeleteJust checking.
ask agua..mbo about mungiki. he shares gifts. domodomodomo and "history" wont solve your flying toilets. go learn from your relatives at kabura--tis never too late:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScVeNlWLYk
yes, my father assassinated all of them.
ReplyDeleteand yes, the emotions have rubbed off on me--from the MAD ones.
but i refuse to uproot railways, burn buildings and all that appertains.
Chris,
ReplyDeleteAt times it helps to use facts and figures when writing such stories to make them more credible. Consider the following:-
Pinto killed: February 25,1965. At this time Joseph Murumbi was actually Foreign Minister not Vice-President. He even eulogised Pinto accompanied by Oscar Kambona his counterpart from Tanganyika.
Meanwhile, I am very angry with the majority of our so called Leaders who have refused to write their memoirs while they are still able. I fear they may go to their graves with all that information which should shed some light on the political intrigues that have plagued this nation since independence.
I am thinking of leaders like Charles Njonjo, G.K.Kareithi,Nicholas Biwott,etc etc. Kudus to Duncan Ndegwa for his book which has given us an insight how he related to the big man, Jomo Kenyatta.
I just love this comment
ReplyDelete"Most Kyuks who live in Nairobi are very scared of visiting their rural areas in central province as they fear being chopped up with pangas at night by their own tribesmen. The chickens have come back home to central province to roost - with very loud, ghastly and gory consequences."
They stole the elections of 2007 and thought everything would be just fine. Pumbavu!! Let the neck chopping of Kikuyu's by their own fellow Kikuyu' continue.
From a distance I can hear the 'CHOPS' (CHOP! CHOP! CHOP! CHOP!)..... followed by the blood curdling cries, moans and groans as Kikuyus chop their fellow Kikuyu's heads off. This is pure madness. The stuff of Horror movies.
how about the jaruos who cant develop their oshagos for fear of being bewitched? and they say they were marginalized! yes, just by themselves.
ReplyDeletei repeat-->ask agua..mbo about his "gifts" to the head choppers. he's now off to geneva to defend their activities. this will be fun to watch.
The madness, bedlam and sheer brutality by Kikuyu's on their brother and sister Kikuyu's is on in central province.
ReplyDeleteAll the good holy books say that Fraud, deception and theft are wrong.
Ghastly and gory brutaliy and suffering await those who flout what the holy books say. We are seeing it in central province.
Raila is loved in Nairobi, Nyanza, Western,Rift Valley, Coast and North astern provinces. Source: 2007 General Elections.
ReplyDeleteRight now some leaders are busy declaring their 2012 presidential elections and I am advising them to listen to what Raila says; "we want to change from imperial presidency to parliamentary system."
Those declaring their presidential ambitions now could end up being ceremonial while the main trophy will be taken by he or she who would be able to cobble the winning political party or coalition. Take it from me however much you hate Raila:Please listen to him!
Anonymous - Maybe you need a blog, instead of all these thao comments. Obviously, you have a lot to say.
ReplyDeleteT. J. Mboya differed politically with Jaramogi O. Odinga, but that did not make Odinga order for his murder.
ReplyDeleteThat is the difference between the house of Mumbi and Joka-Ramogi. The Luos argues out, the Kikuyus are emotionally cold-blooded and kill you straight away, as Johnstone Kamau (Kenyatta) did to Pinto (KK has revealed). In CP people are brought up with the motto FFU when it concerns money, land, etc.
Once more the Luos had different opinions as far as T. J.'s political siding was. All Luos were at no time against Mboya. Not all Luos were against Tuju.
In politics you must accept to lose. The people in Nyanza and other provinces understand democracy unlike our CP brothers and sisters.
That is the
T. J. Mboya differed politically with Jaramogi O. Odinga, but that did not make Odinga order for his murder.
ReplyDeleteThat is the difference between the house of Mumbi and Joka-Ramogi. The Luos argue out things, the Kikuyus are emotionally cold-blooded and kill you straight away, as Johnstone Kamau (Kenyatta) did to Pinto (KK has revealed). In CP people are brought up with the motto FFU when it concerns money, land, etc.
Once more the Luos had different opinions as far as T. J.'s political siding was. All Luos were at no time against Mboya. Not all Luos were against Tuju. That is democracy.
In politics you must accept to lose. The people in Nyanza and other provinces understand democracy unlike our CP brothers and sisters.
That is the e go.
"T. J. Mboya differed politically with Jaramogi O. Odinga, but that did not make Odinga order for his murder."
ReplyDeleteIt did.
Are Kikuyus and Hutu Interahamwe genocidaires the same folk only separated by a few boundaries?
ReplyDeleteThe Kikuyus have Mungiki and "Vigirante" genocidaires, while the Hutu genocidaires of Rwanda have the Interahamwe and Impuzamugambi.
The Hutu genocidaires used the word GUKORA to imply "work", which meant to kill Tutsis, much the same way Kikuyus genocidaires Mungiki sponsored by Uhuru used the term when killing innocent Kenyans.
So @4:53 AM, you of the pan troglodyte genus, it's obvious that you are the offspring of a peccant father, but you need not emulate your father's psycopathic and pathological ways. Whatever you do, DO NOT JOIN your pere in the Mungiki. DON'T!
In other words, it is not too late for you to to become civilized. After all some chimps have been taught to be nonviolent and egalitarian. Some troglodytes have even been taught not to be manipulative and deceptive.
There's hope for you too, @4:53AM.
Why on earth does KK block some mails just becoz they are a wee touch on RAO's looting of the dead city of Kisumu while allowing others that are clearly worse than Hassan Ngeze's Kangura!!!.
ReplyDeleteBure kabisa, domodomodomo sychophant
Oops. I meant to say: The best commentary I have seen in a long time. Take it from me, many Kenyans totally concur with your truthful statements 3.00 pm (not 3.30 pm).
ReplyDeleteIntroducing the KK anthem:
ReplyDeletePraise him! Praise him!
Our (we MAD ones) bumpkin most high.
Praise him in the morning.
Praise him in the noontime.
Praise him every night n day.
Our (we MAD ones) bumpkin most high.
Praise him! Praise him!
Hail bumpkin!!
This is rubbish, utter nonsense!!!
ReplyDeleteMoi would know who killed who; will he write his autobiograpy?
ReplyDeleteKibaki killed Wamalwa when he sounded like a sober voice in the MOU struggles. He killed Karissa Maitha when he dared say that a 'kikuyu will never rule Kenya again'If we elect uhuru or saitoti......IF we dare, they will kill all of us. They killed Oscar!! Mungiki and other groups should get them b4 they get us. They support mungiki then send police to kill them. In the meantime mungiki and other kenyans forget to agitate for the two million hactares jomo kenyatta stole from us!!!! We forget goldenberg, anglo fleecing etc!!!Wake up mates!! Thieves are now leaders.....!!! Ngai fafa!!
ReplyDeleteI have always said to my Kikuyu friends that theirs is a society that is feudalistic, or more appropriately semi-feudal.
ReplyDeleteKikuyu society is very stratified, with land being in the hands of the very few huge landholders like the Kenyattas, Kibakis, Mahihus, Mathenges, et al, while many abysmally poor Kikuyu remain landless squatters.
Kikuyu social structure society is basically a few lords (Kenyattas, Kibakis) and the many serfs (Mungikis, vigirantes) at the bottom.
Many of the comments on this blog are very sensationalist, one thing must be made clear, kikuyu's didnt offer to be martyrs and sacrificial lambs for some of their leaders who are questionable, so stop painting us with the same brush.
ReplyDeleteI for one am sick and tired of hearing endless stories about how now we must inflict punishment on ourselves because we happen to belong to the same tribe. I am a Kenyan, and I chose to do things as a Kenyan, my tribe is important to me as my culture and identity, but that does not mean then its do or die, at the end of the day we are individual Kenyans, the best leader for us will be someone who evokes that personal sense of responsibility in us.
You are probably one of the good Kikuyus who, hopefully, can work towards making many Kikuyus debunk their myths of superiority, in preference for tolerance and the belief that all Kenyans are created equal.
ReplyDeleteWe need just ten percent of forward looking folk like you to make Kenya a great country.
Impunity? How about this for impunity:
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1.Kenyattas --> 600,000 acres
2.Koinanges --> 80,000 acres
3.Njonjos --> 100,000 acres
4.Kibakis --> 30,000 acres
5.Mathenges --> 50,000 acres
6.Chelangas --> 22,000 acres
7.Nyachaes --> 23,000 acres
8.Mois --> 90,000 acres
9.Criticos --> 75,000 acres
10.Biwott --> 27,000 acres
This is IMPUNITY.
Kikuyus are SUPERIOR like the Jews, Tutsis etc The more you deny it the more it becomes apparent; the more you post repetitive negative comments on them, the more they appear credible. So take you baboonish crap back into your gut. We pay taxes so that you do research on the net, not wasting bandwith saying what has no effect....YAAAAWWWWWNNNN
ReplyDeleteI have never seen a Jew choping off the head of another Jew.
ReplyDeleteThese brutal, murderous, jigger-infested pagans can not be compared by the Jews. No way.
Kikuyus CANNOT be Jews. Never, ever.
ReplyDeleteThe Jews developed a highly sophisticated culture over millenia that is reflected today in classical music, philosophy, and academia. Jews do not have your useless Mugithi, pal.
And now to sink this and other facts into your thick dumb skull, Jews in Europe and America (not the Zionist racist types of Israel), have tended to be politically progressive and of leftish persuasion. Most Kikuyus are represented in the reactionary conservative side of the political spectrum that is corrupt, immoral and nefarious.
Look at the names of huge landholders above @4.34 AM. How moral is it to steal land that should have rightfully been given to the Kikuyu landless? See list @4.34 AM.
HA HA HA!! Kikuyus are the Hutu equivalent in Kenya. The Hutus used the term Gukora meaning to kill Tutsis during the genocide of 1994. In Kenya, Uhuru Kenyatta's Mungiki used the same term GUKORA in Naivasha and Nakuru to perpetrate GENOCIDE against innocent Kenyans.
So in summation, Kikuyus (Mungikis, Vigirantes) are NOT akin to the Tutsi, but are the equivalent of the Hutu genocidaires Interahamwe and Impuzamugambi.
Stop your delusions you piece of turd.
@ 6:02 AM, BTW, my retort was meant for your thick INFERIOR turd filled skull.
ReplyDeleteLAND (ACRES)
ReplyDelete1.Kenyattas --> 600,000 acres
2.Koinanges --> 80,000 acres
3.Njonjos --> 100,000 acres
4.Kibakis --> 30,000 acres
5.Mathenges --> 50,000 acres
6.Chelangas --> 22,000 acres
7.Nyachaes --> 23,000 acres
8.Mois --> 90,000 acres
9.Criticos --> 75,000 acres
10.Biwott --> 27,000 acres
LAND (ACRES)
ReplyDelete1.Kenyattas --> 600,000 acres
2.Koinanges --> 80,000 acres
3.Njonjos --> 100,000 acres
4.Kibakis --> 30,000 acres
5.Mathenges --> 50,000 acres
6.Chelangas --> 22,000 acres
7.Nyachaes --> 23,000 acres
8.Mois --> 90,000 acres
9.Criticos --> 75,000 acres
10.Biwott --> 27,000 acres
My endeavor is to isolate these pieces of land on google earth and post them. I know where 80% of the land is located throughout Kenya, mainly in RVP,CSP, CNP & ESP. This has long been an established fact.