Welcome Coalition Governments
I suppose some will presume that anyone opposed to the current trend in African elections (formation of GNUs) is a person who would rather see blood spilt. Morgan Tsvangirai has termed his agreement to begin peace talks with Mugabe as historic. This is a great opportunity for peace and possible continuance of governance in Zimbabwe. All Kenyans acting prudently must by now know what is just about to happen; Morgan will become prime minister and commandeer half of the cabinet.
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While it is true that GNUs did not originate in Kenya, we must still decorate Kibaki for being the father of all modern day African coalitions. His reluctance to change and ability to silence democracy has greatly energized this new phenomena. It is indeed his playbook that will be studied and repeated throughout the continent. Going forward, the order of the day is precisely coalition governments.
Yes folks, the short-lived African political democracy experiments are over and dead. Oh how industrious we are; we have taken democracy with all it's time tested facets of fairness and liberty, added our own greed and thievery and consequently creating our very own political system i.e. coalition governance. In this type of governance, the people vote and all opposing sides win. It does not matter if one gets 10%, you can still be Vice President. While, as Mugabe aptly puts it, the incumbent must always remain President, the actual winner becomes Prime Minister.
Outside of the impending SA elections and under the current developments, I do not foresee any other African incumbent president accepting genuine defeat at the ballot. It's over folks.
That said, there's not much wrong with our new system. In the case of Zimbabwe, loss of life has been greatly reduced and peace will indeed prevail. In the Kenyan version, the citizens are appeased for the most part. We still have a long way to go but most of the displaced are back in their homes while the assaulters are in jail and will face the law. We have set up commissions to investigate the election, violence etc. So it's all good.. right? Peace has returned and as we have seen with the Grand Regency, business is back to normal. We will wait until the next election to perpetuate thorny issues like constitutions, majimbo, land reforms etc. What do we care right now when we can sleep at night without the fear of the arsonists.
Really folks, there's a lot of things wrong with western democracy. I mean, the vote count, even in the USA, is not usually accurate. Trying to instill such, possibly flawed, principles into the African way of life is prone to disaster. So why not change the constitution to condone coalition governments going forward.
Some London/UK Kikuyus feel jilted about PM Odinga's visit to the United Kingdom? Why do they consider real mean to be kikuyus only? What about Wetangula, Balala?
ReplyDelete[quote]---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CK YYYYY@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Cumberland meeting
To: XXXXX@yahoo.com
[b] KENYA NI YA WATU WOTE, SIYO YENU PEKEE [/b][/quote]
IN REPLY TO ........
[quote]On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:32 PM, J Mungai XXXXX@yahoo.com wrote:
The meeting for tomorrow is organized by Kenya government and it is not an ODM affair. There will be very strongmen like Hon. Michuki and Hon.Kenyatta keeping an eye on Kenya's interest and report back to His excellency President Kibaki.
Keep an eye
Asante
Kenya Yetu[/quote]
Ours is not a GNU government. GNU is what we had after 2005. Now its a coalition government.
ReplyDeleteAfricans and specifically Africn leaders obviuosly have a different understanding of the meaning of democracy.
ReplyDeleteSince real democracy comes with a price and great sacrifice, I don't think our situation will change soon; at least not with the current crop of leaders who believe in clinging onto power to amass more wealth than they can handle.
As hopeless as the situation looks right now, am optimistic real democracy will emerge in....the next century!
" Wewe mwafrika, lazima you allow multiparty democracy, privatization...and foresake one party state la sivyo you will face sanctions"
ReplyDeleteA few years later...
"wewe mwafrika lazima you form a GNU..."
guess we're coming full circle. It is for such reasons that I think folks like Museveni with their movement type politics and exclusion of term limits have some merit in their thinking.
It is time when Africans come up with whatever form of government they want and stick to it. The west always plays us, and they fail to support democracy as in the case of kenya after these last elections.
Kalamari,
ReplyDeleteSHAME on YOU. How dare yu paint our exclusive export in bad light? We are an industrious nation which leads by example and others follow. You don't have to try very hard to see that our two commoddities (DECEPTION and FRAUD) have ready markets. What matters is economic growth @ 6%.
We must hasten to patent this form of governance before some smart alec do a ciondo on us. Poor Zim don't have a GR to jumpstart v2030, ole wao those lazy bones.
We are shopping for a name of our brand and the best choice will be rewarded with a revised high school certificate. Any takers our there among the enterpreneuring Kenyans?
Keep an eye
ReplyDeleteAsante
Kenya Yetu[/quote]
anon2:16 PM"""
You mean keep an eye on continuous looting of of Kenya heritage and selling it cheaply to wakina Libya and china??
Like you think Uhuru and Michuki are that important or special??
yes THEY ARE ONLY SPECIAL TO CERTAIN KIKUYU MAFIA BECAUSE THEY ARE THIEVES AND THUGS- THOSE ARE KNOWN FACTS!!
Democracy is a foreign concept and cannot be fully digested by Mwafrika. Mwafrika had some forms of government and military organisations which the British and other wazungus came and did away with. Case in point the Kalenjin (weekend special). Mwafrika should seat down and critically look at where he came from, how was he organized and how did he approach leadership. That coupled with the expeiments (like democracy) that we have tried can lead us to a truely unique form of government, one that is truley African complete with our own checks and balances. Lets be serious folks, with the constant bikering, instability Africa will for a very long time remain in the doldrums. We also need to do some case studies, how come India, China have done it? Why can't we?
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RAILA FORMS A TASK FORCE TO INVESTIGATE MAU FOREST!!! Read in the dailies (Nation). Standard is busy telling us how Raila inherited power from his dead father (who begged for 1 minute as prezo but died begging).
ReplyDeleteThe solution is as clear as the day but the guy you spend every day worshipping is hiding into task force since he has no balls to face the blood thirsty Ntimama.
So, whats the difference between this and Kibakis task forces that make u shout here in Kumekucha so loudly?????
why no sound today?????
Like i said before, this is a house of disillusioned Raila fanatics...
People here at kumekucha should try to remove those scpectacles that make them hero worship. I see lots of sense in some comments but others are just verbal diarrhea. There was one person who said he used to be a Raila fanatic but turned since the last election to realize these guys are just the other side of the same coin. The only thing that will convince me that these guys mean business is when MPs start being taxed and we get a new constitution all else is musical chairs.
ReplyDeleteRhyymemaster
sure Anon 4:46
ReplyDeletea task force where he put Orengo and Wako who were deeply involved in the saga to persecute Kimunya....
get u'a facts right before making u'rself look stupid!!!!!
dude: those are the facts.
ReplyDeleteyou do not like what they came up with and you do not like the composition. thats another issue
hurling cheap abuse will not make you sound any more intelligent, sorry
Mugabe is just following the footsteps of ODM n Raila who had to get to power by all means. Now look what they have done to our economy, the inflation etc....
ReplyDeleteand the Kumekucha dimwits are not even saying anything about the constitution 8 months down the line. Raila is fighting to be a Kiuk elder...ntimama is threatening deaths in mau forest...kajwang the disgraced ex-lawyer is selling Kenya to foreigners using his PA....only Ruto is working.
Ruto for president 2012!!!!
raila seems to have had enough and become part of the system...
Kenyans must be the greatest fool's on earth. imagine we are now takin our childish tribal feuds to an international plattform.........
ReplyDeleteDEMOCRACY ACCORDING TO KUMEKUCHA IS WHAT ODM DOES AND WHAT PNU FAILS TO DO....
ReplyDeleteTHATS WHY KIMUNYA AND UHURU ARE BAD, BUT KAJWANG, NTIMAMA, ORENGO AND RAILA ARE ANGELS...
Anon @ 4:46, do you eat, sleep and dream Raila?
ReplyDeletePlease desist from using his name loosely on every thread.
What has Kibaki said/done about Mau? Nothing, just like he has done with everything else.
Rather than continue comparing the PM with your lame duck, kindly ask the snoozing thief what he is doing about the IDPs who are yet to settle back to their normal lives.
SAWA?
Anon at 7:30,
ReplyDeleteGood job, I see you are a fast learner.
How has Kibaki presidency improved the life of Kikuyu’s from Nyeri? It has not. How has Raila’s PM position improved the poverty situation in Kibera and Luo Nyanza? It has not.
ReplyDeleteI suggest we stop being tribal and reason like Kenyans. We have serious issues affecting us and neither Raila nor Kibaki has the magic bullet. These leaders have made us spend most of our energy in fighting each other and forgetting the real issues like constitution, rising inflation, genuine service to Kenyan’s e.t.c.
Chris and/or Taabu, you have to stop becoming a propaganda machine and practice true democracy in your posts. I know it’s hard since your audience has always been anti-Mount Kenya but you have no moral grounds of condemning the sins of one community and condoning sins committed by others. You can help in erasing the tribalistic mentality of the Kenyans in the diaspora by giving correct information and not biased.
God bless Kenya.
anon 8:00,
ReplyDeleteit depends on who is paying the bills. i do not entirely blame chris and co. since they have to please their masters to continue getting financial support from ODM.
if you want honesty, not at Kumekucha....this is another version of online KASS FM if you like...
just ignore the double talk you will read here.
true, God bless Kenya and open Chris and Taabu eyes.
Eventually, All murderers end up in the same place. here is Ruto's brother who was captured 13 years after he comitted atrocities in Bosnia.
ReplyDeleteWe will not forget. No matter how long it takes. human life cannot just be taken away and the fool grins around and continues with life. Today, Kesho, the Eldoret massacres will hang around his neck like a cursed garland and one day, the the victims of his barbarity, will see him dangle from the end of a rope.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_eu/serbia_karadzic;_ylt=AtvRAnxo.iY5kMoDHBDumsRBXYh4
what we need is a website tht will put up the photographs of the 1500 kenyans who lost their lives whether in Eldoret or Naivasha and let it stay there as a reminder that their killers stil walk free and must be brought tojustice if its the last thing we do
ReplyDeleteAt the time the US was being founded most of the population was uneducated and ignorant. That is why the founding fathers came up with the electoral college system, to prevent the ignorant general population consumed by stupid passions from choosing an unsuitable person as president. The kenyan population of today is more ignorant than the american population of early 1800s. So we have to come up with a system to identify the country's leader without involving the general population.
ReplyDelete@9:24--Great idea, I will contribute my hard-earned cash to see this happen. I know several others who will do the same. Keep us all posted as you explore this.
ReplyDeleteBtw--do you have the pictures already?
Did Kenya set a bad precedent for the people of Africa....I think Yes they did.
ReplyDeleteIt means that any other African president will want to steal elections after all there is the option of forming a coalition govt.
Come 2011 Museveni will rig himself in....Watch the space
Ivy
Kibaki made a bad move by allowing ODM in the government. ODM lost the election but they rigged themselves in through violence. This is a very bad example for Africa and democracy.
ReplyDeleteChris/Kalamari
ReplyDeletePlease also investigate this f@#%@#&n madness:
I was browsing in a cyber cafe in Lang'ata when about 10 city council askaris "kanjuus" some armed with rungus stormed the building claiming they were on patrol checking on buildings without fire extinguishers which are well displayed on the wall.
Some clients who were surfing didn't know what the hell that was about and dashed out for their dear lives without paying while some ladies fled screaming, (who can blame them?) Eventually, the cafe owner called the senior guy aside and gave him a small mbuzi that is 500 bob.
SWALI: When are we Africans ever going to be civilized and prove the likes of Dr Watson and the rest of the world wrong???
M-Pesa
Nbi Kenya
Anon 2.16
ReplyDeleteCumberland Hotel is in a seedy location frequented by Arab tourists. Could they not find a better more classier hotel for OUR PM?
So Cumberland Hotel is seedy? Sounds rather fitting for our Rt. PM, dont you think?!
ReplyDeleteps: ati Museveni etc are waiting for tips on leadership from kenya....bwa,ha,haaaaaa!
Charles.Nairobi.
ReplyDeleteIts the Death of democracy and THE birth of a new Africa.They HAVE succeeded in this POST COLONIZATION CRUSADE into the 21st century hiding under the CLOAKS OF DEVELOPMENT AND DEMOCRACY.Zimbabweans are quite aware of their intentions POOR Tsangirai will be used as a stooge!Africa is richest in terms of natural resources what we have here is MORE THAN ENOUGH!
African leaders dont sell Africa what then did our fore fathers fight for...???
Charles.Nairobi
ReplyDeleteYou sure about Raila staying there or is that where the meeting is?
Get your facts correct.
Cumberland Hotel London is a FOUR STAR HOTEL......?IF GORDON BROWN CAME to Kenya would you take him to HILLTOP, TEA ROOM, MARBLE ARCH, GRETON,GALEXON?
IF TRUE Someone is being JOKED ON HERE?
Anon4:49
ReplyDeleteCumberland Hotel is a modern, nice hotel in a good location for tourists with excellent conference facilities but by no means the best hotel in London.
All the best and very classy hotels are in Park Lane, just 5 Mins away from Cumberland where the dignitaries and super rich stays or in Knightsbridge a couple of miles away in the west.
I guess they are trying to save some money.
Its okay to debate issues and have differing views but you are dealing with a guy who thinks that fighting for your rights=violence and violence=bad then we have a problem.
ReplyDeleteThanks to free speech we shall let them rant on, on this site but the truth is ODM took to the streets then were met by violence from gava and then all sorts of thuggishness ensued and lets not forget all this was started by election theft by PNU.
Violence in itself is not good or bad it depends on why you become violent.
All war is violence yet every country has a standing armed force trained and ready to be violent, so retards merely coughing about ODM 'violence' without the contextualizing are a class below drunken hooligans. They should be ignored like the madman that is a requisite for every village.
Truth be told the problem is not democracy but greed. If only PNU was fighting for the majority of kenyans to serve them. We may have been a bit kind but all the evidence seems to point to in the opposite direction. PNU is a band of thieves with tribal myopic moronic supporters and cheerleaders whos principal aim in life is to be a better tribe than the other, because they cannot compete on the even field of governace and statemanship.
Their me and people mentality is so purile and has exposed them such that their only hope is to try and make everyone else appear to be just like them, to 'normalise' thier mediocrity. You can sport them on this site trying to draw tenuous weak links between RAO and Kibz behaviour and perfomance. Shame on you all. Growing up is hard. Bite the bullet and grow up we are weary of cleaning up your doo.
Sir Alex
Sir Alex yawa....Relax leave PNU fellows that is what give them satisfaction day in day out....Their ranting is therapeutic, it sorts them out.
ReplyDeleteIvy
Those who claim the election was stolen, just watch this youtube clips about the opinion polls conducted just before the elections;
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGWqteorns&NR=1
kwale don't be selective
ReplyDeleteThere was a credible exit pol by some americans that was kept under wraps owing to US of As inclination towards kibaki at the time. The pol clearly shows RAO ahead. 6 points ahead. exit pol vs pre-election pol? be the judge.
Polls aside had kibaki won that election RAO and co would be in jail today the only had the clout cause they new they had won. Everythin that happened around that time is so suspicious and even the election chief confesses there was foul play.....just lay that to rest.
Ivy these guys just suck, the are reducing the level of debate in this site.
Ochuka and co started and armed conflict involving a significant section of the kenya military yet the were dealt with. Kibz knew he had no moral ground to 'deal" with a harmless lot of ODM who's most violent supporters held nothing but crude weapons.....don't pretend that you did not see that angle
Sir Alex
You guys amaze me, you sit down and start arguing about where people are supposed to sleep...And it is such a big deal....Does it matter where the govt officials are going to sleep...That you even force some people to browse the location on google maps just to prove a pont where the exact location is!!! They will sleep and come back to Kenya...So?
ReplyDeleteIvy
So, PNU supporters are moronic, mediocre and vandalistic? Hahaha. I am not a PNU supporter but if I were looking for morons, hooligans and backward cheerleaders, I will not go looking in the PNU. There is another party that supplies those in droves and the good thing is, however hard it is for you to admit, you know damn well which party that is.
ReplyDeleteM-pesa, I do not agree with the words and venue Dr Watson used to poke at our intelligence, however, there's no doubt in my mind that in terms of race, Black Africans as a unit are absolutely not the sharpest knives in the drawer. This does not mean that we lack exceptional rocket scientists and neurosurgeons; in fact some of the brightest atomic physicists are from Africa.
ReplyDeleteI have come to the realization that we truly should not compare our stage of mental development in today's modern world to those people living in the west. It seems to me that we will never catch up to 'intelligence' in the context of the western world. We however will remain extremely intelligent in the context of the African way of life. In the same way an avarage African boy cannot play the piano, an American boy cannot play a nyatiti.
With African contemporaries like Kibaki and Mugabe, I think its about time we develop and submit ourselves to our African-ness. People like Mandela should be forsaken for trying to pull a "George Washington term limit stunt". Kwani he thinks we should copycat integrity. Yeye ni nani?
There's a reason why Nelson Mandela's statue is in London and nowhere in Kenya.
Anybody still suggesting that the Kenyan election was not stolen by Kibaki is simply abusing our intelligence…no matter how African.
ReplyDeleteThat said, do not put so much credibility on the exit polls. Very few Kenyans understand what they mean and what makes them credible. They have been very wrong in the past esp. somewhere in California.
In the absence of evidence, court cases etc, let us please submit to Kivuitu…au vipi Vikii.
Here's another reason why I support Kalamari's post:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nkfx-geNaw&NR=1
Vikii, many of the people you describe can be found where the video was shot.
This level of 'underdevelopment' is excruciatingly painful.
I didnt know there ever was democracy in Africa....now I know, thanks to KK.
ReplyDeleteDeath??? Has there ever been democracy in Africa???
ReplyDeleteAnon 7.30
ReplyDeletethey look ugly, dirty, primitives and hopeless.
Kalamari,
ReplyDeletewe want evidence on how Kibaki stole the election, otherwise fuck off!
Vikii
ReplyDeleteSo, PNU supporters are moronic, mediocre and vandalistic? Hahaha. I am not a PNU supporter but if I were looking for morons, hooligans and backward cheerleaders,
Thats what you said i hope your noy trying to quote me what i sais was.
"....PNU is a band of thieves with tribal myopic moronic supporters and cheerleaders whos principal aim in life is to be a better tribe than the other.."
Take a look again and spot the difference...hint i did not use the word vandalistic...whatever that is...anothe hint I said PNU supoters a worse tha hooligans.
Proof to that what are they supporting what is good about PNU?
You clearly have such a set mind thinking is a problem. Qs. What is there to be admired about PNU? What is their perfomance record? against which benchmarks...?..evidence points to THEFT. and all things shady.
Sir Alex
Cumberland Hotel London??
ReplyDeleteisn't the PM right in saving the Kenya tax payers Money?? not like Kibaki who most of the times since he was given the presidency for free by Raila in 2002 and stole it in 2007
travels with hsi whole family plus relatives, friends, cronies and even cats and dogs and the tax payers of kenya are left with a huge bill to pay.
isn't the PM doing exactly what he set out to do?? reduce where he can charging expensive hotels reduce travel expenses?
Can someone tell me what Uhuru Kenyatta spend recently on his trip abroad courtesy to the tax payers of Kenya and calculate the difference between his trip and the PM's trip??
look at who is misusing the
KENYA TAX PAYERS HARD EARNED MONEY??
SOME OF YOU BLOGGERS SPEW SHIATE WITHOUT FACTS!!
SHAME ON YOU!
Sir Alex A 7:43, you have started a race that you will not finish....Trust me on that one.
ReplyDeleteAdios usiku mwema...Let me go work hard and look for money
Ivy
Sir Alex: the video I just posted above shows quite clearly who the thieves are, unless my eyes are playing games with me. They live quite close to the lake too.
ReplyDeleteAlso, there are other thieves from the lake as well, but they steal in a different way, for examples molasses plant, immigration, the guys at the coast. Oh me, oh my, such thieves! And there's more!
From next week, I shall start laying out, day by day, my litle dossier on Kenya's thieves, especially the lake nilotic and plains nilotic ones from the north rift. Those are the real thieves and their stories have not been told. Not yet.
ReplyDeleteThese lakeside hooligans, they are thieves but they got nothing to show. how sad!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJL13ivOISQ&feature=related
ReplyDeleteSir Alex
Sir Alex @8:00, we have seen that video here many times. don't you have anything else to post?
ReplyDeleteAfrica's problem is tribalism. For years and years, Shonas kept voting Mugabe. Only this year did a few enlighted ones vote opposition. It is the same in Kenya. Since independence Kikuyus have never voted for a non-kikuyu. They will have another chance in 2012 or earlier. Other Kenyans are watching.
ReplyDeleteAnd who's that idiot on the tape, if I may politely ask?
ReplyDeleteAnon 8.04... Kikuyus will vote for Kalonzo in 2012 but never a Luo. Never!
ReplyDeleteajwang'
ReplyDeletePeople should be allowed to vote whomever they wish to vote. What's your goddam problem?! Go jump in the lake.
Get serious! What on earth do you guys expect from our African Big Men? Mugabe told dirt poor Zimbabwean on their second round of voting..."YOU WILL KEEP VOTING UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT!"
ReplyDeleteKibaki said.."YES RAILA WON, BUT MTA-DO??"...(Ok so some poor guys butchered each other...so??..Isn't it time for healing and moving on?)
Moi once told Kenyans.. " MTAZUNGUSHWA MILELE!"
Should we say more?
M-Pesa
Nbi Kenya
Kenya has been led by a certain 'dominant tribe for 42yrs plus....pls remember 'KENYA' that is the whole country has been under the 'control' of a ceratin dorminat tribe these are the results.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JKTk_ryJ74&feature=related
Don't u think we sould change at least to rest, even if the change does not produce any development. I simple rest would do.
Sir alex
My point is the people puporting to want to lead Africans are not genuine. Theirs is not a labour of love for the people whom they want to lead but a personal programme for very selfish goals.....'democracy' is only embraced when the masses have been sold to their crap.....as soon as the poeple awake to the reality of their thugishness they will stop at nothing, from rigging to tribal chauvinism and all sorts of dirty tricks to retain power......the real job of developing a nation (and pls note these PNU developing A NATION and not a tribe) is a huclean tusk that if properly understood there would be few takers....
ReplyDeleteSir Alex
Kalamari, i would never want to insult your actually 'not-so African' intelligence. I should not dare do that.
ReplyDeleteBut I will ask you a few questions, not because I don't know the answers to these questions or because I consider it in my place or even necessary to try to make you see things differently, but just because I am curious;
One, do you think the last election was close? Regardless of whom you THINK won the election, how large, roughly, do you think the margin was?
Assuming you propose we should have gone with the results announced by the ODM, one of the contesting parties,(and you have every right to believe we should. I will urge you to continue believing so till you die), these guys allege to have won the election by a margin of 200,000 votes. Kalamari, this is the losing party claiming they won by 200,000 (out of 10 million votes cast). Do you still think they actually won? Or better put, assuming the ECK results were fraudulent, do you have sufficient infomation that soundly suggests who the rightful winner was? Are you prepared to live a lie for as long as it takes?
"sir" Alex, I am not quoting you. I am much better that. My description of someone worse than a hooligan as vandalistic is indeed an understatement. You, like everyone else, know where the hooligans abound. Don't get me to discuss what is common knowledge.
Hiyo tu.
Sir Alex:
ReplyDeleteVipi? Whose the twit you keep linking us to? Why him? So much for your choice...anyway, a little nonsense now and then is relished even by the wisest of men.
Sir Alex… you sound like a miserable old git! Since you have lived for more than 42 years, can I ask you between 1978-2002 who was in control of Kenya? You are really getting on my nerves with your Kikuyu this Kikuyu that.
ReplyDeleteYou look a right wally with those comments! A man of calibre like you with a title sir. You will continue to sing about Kikuyus but they aren’t going nowhere. They will be there 100 years after your death, still in the same position if not better.
And so you think raila is the only genuine African to lead a nation. What if Raila is a kikuyu would say the same thing? Get a grip, you are the tribalist here.
Vikii- Better the hooligans you are obsessed about than the "head choppers" any day because it is unafrican to specialize in such kind of a job for a living!!!
ReplyDeleteanon@8:53 am.
ReplyDeleteTrue, true, and far much better to burn children, women, the aged and disabled in churches; or to rape women, and so on ad infinitum.
8.53, can you tell me something I don't know? I have heard that tired defeatist line a hundred and one times.
ReplyDeleteKenya will never be ruled by a luo. I would rather have a maasai president than a luo.
ReplyDeleteanon 8:48
ReplyDeleteThe guy is definately clownish but what he says makes sense. We need to see ourselves as a nation and put paid the nonsense of tribalism. under kibz we have become so tribal thanks to the propaganda that this guy claims was preached to kikuyus pre-election.
This guy is eveidence that kibz and his cronies are bankrupt on ideas and the people supporting him cannot claim to be better.
On the other hand it would be nice to hear fair critism of RAO that is not based on just his tribe.
All these yrs we have had ppl like kibaki in influencial positions in gava and the country has been spiraling to a state equivalent to a country at war.....not water in all provinces etc.
Until we see the likes of kibz for what they are, how can we develop this country? What standards are we using when retards like kibz can pass with flying colours.....if you are keen 2007 was not so much about RAO and it was about getting kibz out.
The guy killed the mwanaachi constitiution he suppoted before coming to power....Lets use a fair tranparent standard and judge kibz without weak, tenous links to RAO. We elected him in 2002 to lead us, not to be better than RAO. let us judge him with no reference to RAO. Lets exzmine his record pre-presidencey, then as president.
The comes ou as a major failer in my books. I think as kenya we ca do better. I cannot see why anybody would want to support such mediocrity unless it is just tribal chauvinism.
Sir Alex
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fpN0ZYSHSBM
ReplyDeleteMOI has just told off KIBAKI and PNU and declared that KANU will never dissolve itself for the sake of PNU.
Uhuru's through pass towards a deceptive campaign and acquisition of PNU hits a major road block. Uhuru will have to leave KANU if he wants to stay in PNU.
Nobody needs the opinions of Raila's or Uhuru's supporters in Washington DC, be they 150 or 150,000, to decide who would be a better leader. Until recently, 99% of all people believed the earth was flat. That is why some of us will never get intimidated by large numbers of fools into their corners. That we will not do!
ReplyDelete9:01am
ReplyDeleteyou expect us to believe you?
10 years ago, you said you would rather no kamba, 8 years later no to maasai, 6 years later no to luyia, 4 years later no to kiambu, 2 years later no to somali, 1 year later no to luo.
you should know nobody believes you. continue yapping.
thank god, 23% of the population can never hold the rest by force.
after kibaki, it will be 25 years later when you will touch anything.
vikii
ReplyDeletethose fools have votes.
kibaki, like you, used to call us pumbavu.
let us see where the pumbavu kabila talk will get kikuyus.
anon @9:01, a pity you choose that comparison, really.
ReplyDeleteLeave me out of what Kibaki or kikuyus said. Like I have said, I dont need their opinions, or anybody else's, to be able to hold mine.
ReplyDeleteAbout waiting and seeing , I am glad to wait and see where not just the kikuyus but so many other groups of highly mistaken individuals end up.
things fall apart in mt. kenya as old fault lines of kiambu, muranga and nyeri re-emerge forcefully.
ReplyDeletehttp://kenyatimesonline.com/content.asp?catid=2&articleId=2803
National News
Kanu officials call for minister’s sacking for ‘defying’ Kibaki, Raila
Updated on: Wednesday, July 23, 2008
Story by: By Clement Kamau
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KANU officials from the greater Kisambu district have called on President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga to sack ministers who have started early campaigns for 2012 General Election. They said it was unfortunate some ministers had defied calls by Kibaki and Raila to stop the premature campaigns.
Led by former Kiambu KANU organising secretary Anthony Njehu, Limuru officials David Mbiyu, John Karanja and Kikuyu chairman Dominic Ng’ang’a, the leaders termed the Kibaki succession debate as insult to victims of the post-election violence who are yet to be resettled.
‘Why can’t Justice minister Martha Karua use the funds and energy she is using to campaign for the presidency to help internally displaced persons (IDPs) who languishing in camps besides pushing for the review of the constitution?, posed Njehu.
On his part, Mbiyu said it was wrong for ministers and their assistants to spend government resources to campaign for 2012 presidential and premier positions, saying those doing so should be sacked.
The officials accused Karua who is Narc-Kenya interim chairperson of creating confusion and trying to wreck the five-month- old Grand Coalition Government by dwelling on the Kibaki succession issues at the expense of fighting tribalism and poverty.
They cautioned her against throwing barbs at KANU National Chairman Uhuru Kenyatta, claiming she was “fighting to remain relevant to Gichugu people”.
The officials who were speaking to Kenya Times in Kiambu also urged Kibaki to remain firm on his call for PNU affiliate parties to dissolve and form a single entity.
Ng’ang’a said that the rebellion in PNU was likely to impact negatively on the residents of Central who, he noted, will have “no bargaining chip in 2012”.
The leaders also called upon Uhuru to work with Raila to form a formidable coalition before the next General Election. They urged Uhuru to convene an urgent KANU National Delegates’ Conference (NDC) to deliberate on its future.
anon9:01
ReplyDeleteIt must be rather distressing to you that you only have one vote.
adjust, grow up, mature. we all have wishes. But we grow up.
Sir Alex
anon8:07 AM
ReplyDeleteOpps!the same Luo's gave Kibaki the Presidency on a golden platter while he lounged on a wheel chair - then you called Raila a Hero then and licked his toes when he traveled with Kibaki to Nyeri:):)
and i understand why you would be voting for kalonzo musyoka! he is a thieve and a thug- birds of the same feathers flock together:) does one need science to point out that to you??
get it straight- ODM does not need the kikuyu vote to win 2012 elections- they won in 2007 and did they need the central vote then?? Nope!! hey wake up and stop dreaming your pathetic dreams on Kumekucha- move on:)
When i read the posters here at KK i never know whether to laugh or cry or both. The obsession with Kikuyu and their percieved dominance is pathetic at best. Why give anyone so much power you pinheads??!
ReplyDeleteOn another note, if Raila and his cronies had not used the politics and language of hate, I guarantee you he would have been in statehouse today and not running around like a silly errand boy. So complicated, yet so simple, eh? Tee, hee, heee.
Kwale I believe your jitters are uncalled for and there is no need to call sir Alex names. We all know that it is Moi who was steering the ship over that period and everyone knows all the crap he brought upon Kenyans. The fact is that majority of Kenyans were not happy and he was told as much. When NARC took over under the stewardship of EMK every Kenyan had a right to be optimistic because the old man promised to defend the constitution and rid the country of corruption of Moi days at all time. Both you and I know that EMK mostly succeeded in dividing the country further and allocating the country's resources to his friends in the name of privatization. Do not get me wrong that I do not support privatization because I Kenyans are capable of buying shares in these public companies but what I am against is having some shadowy entity fronted as an oversees investor acquiring majority stakes in our public companies through the back door.
ReplyDeleteHad EMK done the right thing as he promised no one would be having qualms with him. In the same respect instead of us debating such serious issues that affect us all as Kenyans people like you always think that such opinions are expressed because someone is a Raila or ODM supporter. Not everyone here who feels let down by EMK is an ODM or Raila "thug" as some of you would like to put it but they are like minded Kenyans who expect the utmost good from their leaders. Unless some of you stop seeing every argument within the prism of PNU and ODM our country still has a long way to go.
anon9:07 AM
ReplyDeleteVikii we all know who the fools are just like you though you want to pretend not to-
so here is a list and a reminder to you
1. Emilio kibaki
2. Uhuru kenyatta
3. Michuki
4. Kalonzo musyoka
5. Saitoti
6. Kimunya(but he was caught with hands in the cookie jar)
hey wait a minute Martha Karua has realized that she backed the wrong tree and paid for it dearly- she has decided to ditch it - but too late now- she has innocent kenyans blood on her hands like the goons above!!
Vokii nobody is forcing you to believe or support anything- you are already in the ditch with the your better half the goons, thugs and thieves of central mt. kenya mafia.......
Sir Alex @ 9.21, luos are dirty and I would rather have a maasai president anyday. They have been rioting since 1960s and still they have not tasted the presidency. what a shame!!! By the way Iam a Mkamba.
ReplyDeleteBack to the subject: It is better to have coalition governments in Africa rather than winner-takes-all democracies. If ODM did not negotiate or force their way into government, there would probably be no country called Kenya by 2012. I am sure eventually Kikuyus will learn their lesson and will join the rest of Kenya. It is heart-warming to see a number of them getting used to the idea of voting for a pseudo-masaai, a Mkamba or a Mmeru come 2012 or earlier.
ReplyDeleteVikki
ReplyDeletein the world of today half or nearly winning does not count-
who won the Presidency elections Raila did- which party won more seats in the the provinces ODM did
so why spew your frustrations here?? who are you trying to convince ati Kibaki nearly won??????? read my lips nearly does not count close does not count!
KIBAKI LOST THE ELECTIONS AND THEN SHAMELESSLY STOLE THEM- TO DO THAT HE HAD TO SLAUGHTER MANY KENYANS USING HIS POLICE FORCE-
DO NOT ABUSE KENYANS INTELLIGENCE ON HERE-
go convince the central province fools like you who still believe in the lies span by their leader that he nearly won- so he decided to steal them since he could not allow a Luo to be in statehouse-
fools will always be fools
so now who is running the country????
kimunya???
karua
Saitoti
michuku??
or you think it is the sleeping thieve kibaki??
NONE OF THE ABOVE!!
anon7:57 AM
ReplyDeleteI guess you actually meant the brown teethed hooligans from central the thieving thugs like yours truly kibaki- hey i hear he has new cleaned molars-
Mpumbavu na shenzi sana are the word he uses for his brown teethed central subjects who follow him blindly:)
Vikii,
ReplyDeleteThe election was seven months ago and Kibaki is president. Just that should refrain you from acting out your guilty conscious. Remember this my friend, rapists who use condoms are rarely caught because they usually do not leave semen all over the place. They typically choose to attack women (voters) in the dark of night (KICC blackout) when nobody can see them or hear their screams. Now even if they were careless (Kivuitu accepting Central results from cell phones) and went for round two without condoms (zeros being added i.e. top ups) chances are they would still not be caught because Kenya does not have a DNA lab (ECK) of good repute.
But anyway, let's us focus on Kibaki's legacy. Should his new method of staying in power take root in Africa and in fact bring development and peace, wont we look back and praise him to eternity? Honestly folks, if Mugabe and Morgan sit down and talk this thing over; you know maybe slightly reform the land chaos to appease the West, wouldn’t the Zimbabwean economy greatly improve for the betterment of the people?
anon 9:25
ReplyDeleteWhat happened sorry to bust your bibble is that someone preached to you that kenyans hate kikuyus and you believed because he went ahead and told you that you were hated cause you were successful, and because you have wanted so much to be acknowledged as successful thi was music to your ears and you did not bother to do a reaity check....like fo example who do you know that personaly hates you cause your kuyo? I'm sure you will struggle to find even one person that you know personaly that is hated for just being kuyo. That was election propaganda to get your vote and you were a sucker for it. They had you, the election is over ther are busy selling national treasures to libyans and your getting nada, just pushing hate on the net. MOve moron.
Sir Alex
anon8:49 AM
ReplyDeleteKwale
childishness does not become you- facts are Raila won the 27th December 2007 elections- so what is your beef?? it was not kibaki or a kikuyu as you put it!!grow up and face up the truth instead of being pissed off regarding facts!!
wining is not tribalism- you use it like a tool to try and post propaganda here- it will not wash
kenyans know who won!! the world knows who won "Raila Odinga" now if you want to go kill yourself because this facts frustrate you then i agree maybe that is what you should do kwaheri sana!!
Folks,
ReplyDeleteYou have to understand that the fear among our Kikuyu brothers is real. With Kibaki's impending retirement and no clear front-runner among the wannabe leaders, we should all understand their frustration.
Clearly, Raila is the politician to watch, and the reasonable Kikuyus are beginning to realize this, hence the clamour to make him an elder. Calls from certain quarters for Uhuru to teem up with Raila is an indication that they have realized that Raila is a force that cannot just be wished away.
I realize some will continue trying to prop up Kalonzo but, hey let's be realistic, Kalonzo cannot be in the same league with Raila even if they plan to do another Kivuitu in 2012 or whenever elections are held.
Haters, you may continue spewing your filth but we have quickly learned to skip over your droppings as we look for the more reasonable comments.
anon9:01 AM
ReplyDeleteOnly a fool can post such a comment:)
what do you mean??
KENYA IS ALREADY BEING RULED BY A LUO:)
WAKE UP OR ELSE REMAIN IN YOUR KIKUYU DREAM LAND.
Kalamari I agree with you in that should the "Kenyan democracy" grow its roots into Zimbabwe turf, I will have no doubt that Zimbabweans will be winners. I don't know whether anybody here could fathom the idea of 100b note in his/her pocket. It is mind boggling feeling and therefore points to the fact that Zimbabweans deserve something better even if it means xeroxing our form of "democracy".
ReplyDeleteYou know, if there's any thief (and murderer), it's Raila. He too stole votes and worse paid off people to slaughter others. The police were just simply stepping in to protect the lives and properties of those innocents under attack by Raila and his zombies. Raila's legacy of violence is pretty well known the world over. Nothing surprising here. What bothers me is his seemingly entitlement to leadership, yet its unclear what he has done all these years to justify that sense of entitlement. From the 82 coup, to the flying toilets of Kibera, to supporting hooligans refusing to pay rent, to the adui speeches of 07 to the deaths of 08. What a blank firer!
ReplyDeleteanon9:21 AM
ReplyDeleteMARTHA KARUA JUUU SANA
STUPID LAME UHURU IS GOING NOWHERE EVEN IF HE SPENDS HIS MONEY TO PAY PEOPLE TO TALK FOR HIM- AND WHAT EXACTLY ARE THIS KIAMBU GOONS DOING ON THE NEWS??
PUSHING FOR UHURU'S SUPREMACY IN THE 2012 ELECTIONS IN CENTRAL PROVINCE(COURTESY OF KIBAKI)- FOOLS THINK KENYANS CAN'T READ BETWEEN THE LINES
KIBAKI SHOULD BE SACKING UHURU AND HIS THUGS OF MP'S
LEAVE MARTHA KARUA OUT OF THEIR SHIATE-
MARTHA KARUA JUU- GO GIRL GO GET THIS MALE GOONS WHO THINK THEY ARE THE ONLY MT,KENYA MAFIA ALLOWED TO RULE CENTRAL!!
SHENZI SANA HAWA
The Mkamba anon @ 9: 29.....Aii, your Kikuyu partners in crime are busy campaigning for Kalonzo and you are her routing for a maasai.
ReplyDeleteIf luos are dirty why not vouch for your mkamba spineless loser?
He may finally bring the kind of development that he has not been able to bring to ukambani since his days of singing mtukufu baba moi.
anon 9:29
ReplyDeleteaka Mkamba
whats this about 'tasting' the presidency.....?that is low grade language you shouldn't be on this blog.... I thought the presidecy was a job involving service to all kenyans including luos and kambas....whats with the tasting?
Whats your level of education? To rot one must first die when did the luos die? One of the may just becone the president of the USofA, and one of them is the current primeminister of your country.
Sir Alex
ati kiambu uhuru clones are saying what??
ReplyDeletemartha karua will prevail- either way
uhuru should smell the roses- i doubt whether other parties i.e ODM would want to work with him- he is a chameleon (turncoat) sell out- Uhuru can sell his own mother for the presidency seat we all know that
hawezi kupata- time out for Uhuru kenyatta the mungiki thug!!!
approaching 100 comments, but only about 4 or 5 solid ideas
ReplyDeleteAnon@9:47 - You are entitled to your opinion but spare us your imaginations on Raila. I don't think there is anywhere I have ever read or heard that Raila said he was entitled to Kenya's leadership. Politics is pursued by those who have the will and if he still feels that he has something left to pursue it, I believe it is neither your responsibility nor mine to tell him what he should or should not do.
ReplyDeleteIf I may ask which politician in Kenya has never been associated with violence? I know not one who could be an angel unless you are willing to educate me. Please spare us your obsessions and ignorance!
anon9:25 AM
ReplyDeleteagain another fool who has no idea what is happening in kenya now-
so if Raila is an errand boy? why didn't kibaki keep kenya in his job:):)
keep sleeping and when you wake up:):) uta juta no kikuyu Hitler yako
kibaki killed many innocent kenyans but where did that get him???
a stooge in the statehouse:)
even the MP back bunchers control kibaki in parliament- he has no voice or power:)he he!he!he!! he better go join rucy in Othaya where he has tied her on a bed post:)
Sir Alex: every blog has its own idiot and you're rapidly beating everyone here to that title. Let me speak s-l-o-w-l-y so that your dense mind can pick it up. For_anyone_keeping_track,this_blog_is_inundated_with_Kikuyu_hate_and_even_fear. Just_do_a_simple_count.
ReplyDelete@ 9.46.
ReplyDeleteYou are very right. This phenomena is actually a 'eureka' experience for Africa. Folks, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm very serious. Rather than have any form of opposition, let us have two centers of power. Really what is wrong with this idea?
Please please take a stab at this seriously. We may have something here. If we ferment two very powerful political divides and then give them 'equal powers' after every election going forward, Kenya might never see a war/clash again.
The benefits include jealously guarded checks and balances. We will see more of Kimunya exits. Kajwang will never dare do what he did again. This will work for Kenya and Africa as a whole.
I suggest we call it: KUSIKILIZANA REPUBLICANISM.
Now, the problem with ODM is what Lucy (yes, a very conscious example) suggested--Domo, domo, without substance. Running around being seen, yet achieving close to...yes, nothing. Let us see where you'll be in 2012.
ReplyDeleteAnd...instead of censuring the blabber-mouth Ntimama, Raila quiets him down. Iko nini? What are you hiding, Rt. PM/Hitler?
anon9:47 AM
ReplyDeleteHa ha!! and the kikuyu mungiki thug has spoken
I guess this is what you really wanted to say
THE KIBAKI LEGACY:
2002-2008
Let us begin with looting:
1. Anglo leasing
2. Trancentury
3. Charter house
4. Grand Regency
5.Oil Blocks- given free to China
6. Oil Blocks and Mineral concessions given free to Libya
7. NBK- Bank- giving free money in millions to central province thugs
8. Nyaga brokers and more of kikuyu central brokerage fleecing kenyans out of millions of their hard earned money while kibaki's government machines covers up
and wait
9.Safaricom cons Kenyans while makes billions for kibaki and cronies
KIBAKI THE KILLING MACHINE BEFORE AND AFTER THE 27TH DECEMBER 2007 ELECTIONS.
1. POLICE ORDERS TO SHOOT AND KILL INNOCENT KENYANS
2. ORDERS TO THE ARMY TO KILL YOUTHS IN THE RIFT VALLEY FROM OTHER TRIBES
3.ASSASSINATION OF MP. WERE AND TOO
(NOT FORGETTING ALL OTHER ASSASSINATIONS BETWEEN 2002-2008
4. Missing more than 4000 youths who the police claimed were in jail but now they can't produce them in court(parents are going to sue the state)
THE MOST WEIRD ONE: SHUTTING UP MUNGIKI:
EXECUTION OF MORE THAN 500 MUNGIKI YOUTHS IN COLD BLOOD ORDERED BY YOuRS TRULY KIBAKI(confirmed reliable sources)
Some are still missing even as we speak today??
and now let as see- who has blood of innocent kenyans on his hands?
EMILIO KIBAKI!!, EMILIO KIBAKI EMILIO KIBAKI!!!
EMILIO KIBAKI, EMILIO KIBAKI EMILIO KIBAKI!!
HE WILL ANSWER FOR THIS EVEN IF IT TAKES YEAR
look AT ETHIOPIA(MENGISTU HAS BEEN CHARGED IN ABSENCE) DEATH
BOSNIA- THE KING OF SLAUGHTER AND MURDER HAS BEEN CAUGHT
AND KIBAKI WILL FACE IT TOO- LET HIM ENJOY STATEHOUSE FOR THE LAST TIME......GET MY DRIFT!!
Kalamari: The ODM types are not sufficiently civilized for such shared power to succeed in making and implementing public policy.
ReplyDeleteMajimbo is the way to go. let every jimbo make decisions and formulate its own development policies.
ReplyDeletewhy should someone sit in an air-conditioned office in Nairobi and make decisions regarding what 'cham luchi' village needs when they have never travelled west beyond Nakuru?
I would be very happy if some Kikuyu somewhere was not making all the decisions regarding how much money goes to Nyanza, or North eastern roads.
Since the hatred I see here mirrors exactly the feeling amongst many okuyus, is it any wonder that 70% of road funds goes to central with 'the rest of kenya' sharing the rest?
@10.15 - Do you think there is any sense of civilization in stealing public resources?
ReplyDeleteANON10:10 AM
ReplyDeleteKibaki= Hitler(germany)
Kibaki= idd amin(Uganda)
kibaki =Radovan Karadzic(Bosnia)
Kibaki is the new Murder and slaughter king of Africa followed by Mugabe
I guess central goons can hang kibaki's new title on their walls
nyinyi shenzi sana- if you can support a murderer who actually opens his mouth to give the police orders to shoot innocent kenyans-
he will be brought to justice
those who died will not rest their souls until kibaki is with them 6ft under!! not natural death
Saddam Hussien style is the best way for kibaki! moumbvavu sana
@10:14 am. Calm down, spare us the hysterics--or do you need to face the knife as well? It's been said to work wonders for maturity.
ReplyDelete@10:15 am--for the last time--when will you learn to take responsibility for your own failures, individual and collective? Central was marginalized, SEVERLY, thru 24 years of Moi. No one was whining like you guys are. Borrow a leaf or two, however bitter.
Ati sharing power equally? That is setting a bad precedent and all dictators/despots have seen this as the best opportunity to cling on to power till death.
ReplyDeleteIn our situation, it feels like power has been shared but only one side seems to be working. The other side, after clamouring for all the big budget ministries, are now sleeping on the job, stealing and campaigning for 2012. I guess when the captain snoozes, everyone follows suit.
ZZZzzzzzz...and now the sheep are running helter skelter...oh luos...oh raila....honestly some of you haters need to seek some serious help.
For the last time, RAILA IS THE HITLER.
ReplyDeleteWho steals public resources? How about starting with the Pentagon and working your way left and right through the ODM ranks?
One last piece of advice: you have NO argument that cannot be beaten pants down, even by the dumbest commentator.
kibz killed democracy in the referendum.....he knew what the people wanted yet proposed crap. The winner never takes it all in any democracy cause every party has enough division internaly that no single agenda gets passed without a subststantial support of many others. The concept of winner takes it all is at best an illusion.
ReplyDeleteI would like to focus our attention away form democracy to the real problem attacking democracy....That problem is the lack of will to serve.
The colonialist came here with a purpose and set up a system with a long term plan to serve their interests. When Africans inherited these systemes and they were in an awkwad situation here was a system they did not formulate yet the had to re-engineer it to serve them. The problem begins by who 'them' is. Is this 'them' cronies or the whole populace? Is it a tribe? Is it western interest or a combination of some of these?
With no clear plan we have hobbled along and those with a mission have found room to do their thing within the systems while we watch.
As a result they have become so powerfull that the will of the people is subject to their approval.....so democray cannot take off in africa because it represents the will of the people which has come to odds with the will of the system riggers.
stranger things may happen. its a fair question to ask. which African country is democratic? uncle bob is not anywhere near the worst African leader....he just happens to be the one currently attracting western interest.
In other words democracy is useful for as long as it supports the interests on the system riggers.
Sir Alex
anon8:56 AM
ReplyDeleteburn children, women, the aged and disabled in churches; or to rape women, hey you did it to your own!!kibaki and moi planned and implemented it just when they knew they were to lose statehouse and why did they do that?? to claim genocide and to confuse kenyans and the world and use it against odm!!! did it work nope because they people they used are now talking!!
Like we kenyans know kibaki is understood to have slaughtered his own father- so what is a few poor kikuyu's in a church??? Moi had to join in with Kibaki to save his billions- so what is a few burned kikuyu's in a church count for?? Moi did it in 1992!
Keep shouting your propaganda here it will not wash the rest of kenya knows the truth- only the fools in central province still buy the church story.
anon 9:59
ReplyDeleteAre you trying to say that you belong to this blog cause your an idiot? sir you do not qualified for the clinical defination of and idiot which is IQ in the 20s. IQs below 20 are not mentioned in polite company.
Sir Alex
anon10:22 AM
ReplyDeleteyou must be abroad and have no idea on kenya - 1n 1992(Moi- Kibaki's darling friend) many kenyan died burned in homes- let me remind you - in Kipkaran, turbo-molo, burnt forest - kenyans made noise- i didn't hear much noise from central province- they called those kikuyus who died pheasants - poor and a nuisance??why?? because they didn't want them going back to central province-
is it a wonder the mungiki's who are asking for the same thing and not happy with the kikuyu mafia lords are being executed left and right and nobody in central in early 2007 come out in their defense except for Maina Kiai -
Kikuyu's worship money and worldly goods not life
they have shown this times and times again!!
wewe inda ambia kibaki (your godfather)he will die by the same gun he send out to kill innocent kenyans- I would prefer he should be hanged like Saddam Husein!
@10.27 if you agree that Moi marginalized central too then you agree that Kenyans deserved better under Kibaki and not the wrong things people like you seem to support. For the right record Raila has never massacred anybody but Kibz we all know has done it in the name of protecting his "duly election". That is where the difference lies and so is true for the right "Hitler" if that is your obsession.
ReplyDeleteKumekucha,
ReplyDeleteWhile the haters are having a field day on this post, can we have something else to talk about?
I have been checking to see if they have gone to sleep, but in vain.
Maybe the nurses need to give them something stronger to put them to sleep.
@10:14 am. Calm down, spare us the hysterics--or do you need to face the knife as well? It's been said to work wonders for maturity.
ReplyDeleteseriously do we still have people thinking like this in the 21st century that the excision of a part of the male genitals has anything to do with maturity?
At least try and relate it to health.....maturity thats a long short.
This must be the same ilk as the short skirt banning,people beheading mungiki type
Swali too jamani.
Sir Alex
Sir Alex
ReplyDelete10:38 AM
The truth hurts when it is told- you Alex- are afraid of the truth and facts- instead you use abuse on here- fact is kibaki killed many kenyans- fact is kibaki stole elections - in order to do so he had to disrupt the country to confuse issues and slaughter innocent kenyans then lay blame on ODM and run and swear himself in in the dark:):) wewe mpumbavu sana - an idiot like you belong to such blogs like Mashada and the cloned kumekuchas kikuyu blog- move on pal you are a foolish kikuyu who has no where to turn to but use blogs to spread your filthy propaganda which no intelligent kenyan ain't buying- why waste your time?? or you are jobless??
pole sana- maybe kimunya can employ you on his kipipiri farm??
why does Europe-AP news mistake PM Odinga to be President of Kenya?
ReplyDeleteEUROPE NEWS AT 0600GMT
© AP
2008-07-22 12:15:07 -
http://www.pr-inside.com/europe-news-at-0600gmt-r715808.htm
UPCOMING COVERAGE FOR TUESDAY, JULY 22
SERBIA-KARADZIC
BELGRADE, Serbia _ Following developments after authorities arrest war crimes suspect Radovan Karadzic, who was on the run for more than a decade.
GERMANY-IRAQ
BERLIN _ Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki holds talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel. News conference at 1230GMT.
EU-FOREIGN MINISTERS
BRUSSELS, Belgium _ EU foreign ministers meet. Items up for
discussion are expanding sanctions against Zimbabwe, ties with Ukraine, Iran, and the Mideast peace process.
RUSSIA-VENEZUELA
MOSCOW _ Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez meets his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev on a trip to Russia.
BRITAIN-IRAQ
LONDON _ Prime Minister Gordon Brown makes a statement to lawmakers on Britain's continued troop presence in Iraq.
BRITAIN-KENYA
LONDON _ Kenyan President Raila Odinga gives a speech to lawmakers and members of the public at London's Houses of Parliament. 1430GMT.
BRITAIN-HADRIAN
LONDON _ Press preview for the British Museum's upcoming blockbuster exhibition about the emperor Hadrian, who led the world's only superpower at a time of war in Iraq.
@10.39 - do not be deceived these people know what they are doing even if means proclaiming insanity so long as that can buy them time. I agree with your point on the clashes of 1992 for no one from Central ever spoke about it then except for the civil society who did it for economics. Do you realize how they conveniently talk about Eldoret church and no one dare mention about the murders in Naivasha? If it was a sense of fairness we would be condemning all these atrocities in equal proportion with the belief that they were committed against Kenyans and not certain tribes. But are you amused why people like Vikiis, Kwales etc here who conveniently insert Raila/ODM this and that instead of fairly debating these critical issues like everybody else? The reason for this is that they are part of a cult whose sole mission is to perpetually take our beloved country five steps behind not for any good reason but merely to satisfy that own tribal egos. It is a pity my fellow countrymen to see where we are going as Kenyans!
ReplyDeleteNimenena zangu!!
Anon at 10:52,
ReplyDeleteDoesn't the whole world know who the Kenyan president is?
Let the duly elected lame duck and his followers continue burying their heads in the sand.
Sir Alex
ReplyDelete10:45 AM
why should I face a knife?? you mean mungiki beheading style? in Naivasha and Nakuru?? yes it did wonders it allowed Kibaki to steal elections right while mungiki was busy using knife's to behead innocent kenyans- mungiki who were funded by kibaki and cronies(mungiki admitted to this)
maybe this same mungiki's need to pay Sir Alex Mavi a visit- your time on kumekucha should be history:)
Did anyone know Uhuru addressed Kenyans in DC?
ReplyDeleteceasefire ??
ReplyDeletemume lala kweli?
ReplyDeleteaibu gani hii?
na tarajia roho zenu chafu zime tulia sasa na mpate usingizi nono hadi kesho
Since the haters on this blog keep relating violence with Raila and Luos...never kaleos surprisingly.
ReplyDeleteAm curiuos to know why Central province seems to bare the brunt of the on-going wave of violence and riots in schools.
Haters, are you by any chance beginning to realize that this is the epicenter of violence (mungikis in the making?)and not...odm zones?
Thoooooo yawa, they have finally gone to bed!
ReplyDeleteAnon 12:09 LOL!
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteI think we've been invaded by NSIS. Their aim is to dilute the comment content.
anon2:04 PM
ReplyDeleteI second you on that- this blog today become a mashada bombshell
ABUSE FLYING FROM ALL CORNERS
IT REMINDED ME OF January 2008
I think there is still so much hate out there - and yes it is still tribal- I think we need the New constitution quick- to remove this tribal euphoria from Politics
yoyo mama- iini ungwana kweli??
anon2:26 PM
ReplyDeleteMartha Karua- Juu- come on girl show this men who are ball-less they keep on being groomed for presidency no balls this wakina Uhuru, Saitoti, Musyoka?? ati kibaki giving them statehouse for free???
OOOOUUI!! HE STOLE STATEHOUSE- SO WHO THE F--------K DOES HE THINK HE IS TO GIVE IT OUT FOR FREE??
MARTHA KARUA- BIG MISTAKE YOU DID TO SUPPORT THIS EVIL THIEVING KIBAKI TO OFFICE AND YOU STOOD BY HIM THROUGH THINK AND THIN AND LOOK WHAT HE HAS DONE TO YOU??
OR IS IT TRUE THAT YOU MARTHA KARUA ALREADY HAVE A SECRET PACT WITH KIBAKI?? i HEAR YOU HAVE BEEN HAVING HIGH PROFILE FROM NYERI?? i CAN NAME NAMES HERE??
SO WHO IS FOOLING WHO??IN THIS PNU HIGHLY TALKED ABOUT AND EVERY DAY IN THE MEDIA STORY??
MARTHA KARUA?? YOU HAVE A SECRET AGREEMENT WITH KIBAKI IN PLACE ALREADY(this is a fact)
MY QUESTION IS DOES UHURU??SAITOTI, MUSYOKA HAVE THE SAME?? AND WHO IS KIBAKI FOOLING??
He is fooling you because you are the only one who can be so easily fooled. One minute you are talking about Kibaki giving "Uhuru, saitoti and musyoka" a free ride to state house and hailing Martha for not being one of the recepients, the next you are castigating the same Martha for having a "secret pact" with the President. Looks to me like you have mud for brains,little man.
ReplyDeletevikki
ReplyDeletewhen the mad man is sinking, he kept thinking he was swimming
when the mud man was sinking he thought he was fooling around mud
remember MOI wa KANU and the dynamics that changed after the 1997 elections?
kibaki is in that shyte. tuff luck for kibaki. he is in a GCG. hahaha
KIBAKI SEMA SASA!!!
ReplyDeleteWHAT THE F********k WAS MUNGIKI DOING IN STATEHOUSE BEFORE GOING ON A GENOCIDE MISSION- BEHEADING AND SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT KENYANS IN NAIVASHA AND NAKURU???
TOOBOA MARTHA KARUA TOBOA- THE TRUTH SHALL BE TOLD SOON WATCH THI SPACE.......................
POLITICS
Team told of Mungiki visit to State House
Story by SAMWEL KUMBA
Publication Date: 7/23/2008
Members of the outlawed Mungiki sect are said to have visited State House in the wake of post-election violence, the Waki Commission heard Tuesday.
Lawyer Muriuki Mugambi, for the police, asked Ms Muthoni Wanyeki, the executive director of Kenya Human Rights Commission, to shed more light on the subject.
However, human rights lawyer Haron Ndubi intervened, telling the commission that the information had already been shared in camera.
Ms Wanyeki had in the morning given her evidence in camera, where she named the actual perpetrators of violence.
They included names of individuals and politicians who bankrolled post- election violence.
More deaths
Information about the Mungiki visit to State House is contained on a DVD that was on Monday produced as an exhibit to the commission.
The election investigations team was also told that had PNU and ODM failed to enter into dialogue and subsequently struck an agreement, more deaths could have occurred.
Ms Wanyeki said there were misplaced priorities in the deployment of police officers during the post-election chaos.
Asked by Mr Mugambi to provide the figures, Ms Wanyeki said she did not have the actual figures, but that from mere observation they were not deployed on a needs basis.
According to her, more policemen were needed in Rift Valley and other volatile areas than in Nairobi.
The KHRC boss said her organisation had not supplied the police with the data it submitted to the commission in camera Tuesday as they were still establishing the best way to release it.
Anon3:09 PM
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I think it is you who is a fool, naive and childish- if you can't read between the lines like most kenyans do then you are just another fool on call.
Facts- Kibaki has an agreement with Martha Karua(many bigwig Nyerian the big shots in Nyeri have already paid a visit to Martha Karua endorsed her and pledged their Money support for 2012 presidency.(I know this as a fact)
What I do not know is if kibaki has the same agreement with Uhuru, Saitoti and Kalonzo musyoka-
I WOULDN'T PUT IT PAST KIBAKI TO HAVE THE SAME AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THEM- ISN'T IT HIS STYLE OF POLITICS?
MY QUESTION IS WHO IS FOOLING WHO?? IS KIBAKI PLAYING THIS PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES TO BE IN 2012?? AND ARE THEY AWARE KARUA ALREADY HAS AN AGREEMENT (MOU) IN PLACE WITH KIBAKI WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALL THE NYERI BIGWIGS??
I DOUBT:):) LET THE FIST FIGHT IN PNU COALITION CONTINUE- I BELIEVE STRONGLY KIBAKI IS FOOLING ALL OF THEM:)BUT LIKE I SAID MARTHA KARUA SHOULD COME OUT THE FLAG CARRIER FOR PNU:):) UNDER THE NARC-K BANNER !WHY NOT? VIKII DON'T YOU SUPPORT MARTHA KARUA??
Team told of Mungiki visit to State House
ReplyDeleteStory by SAMWEL KUMBA
Publication Date: 7/23/2008
Members of the outlawed Mungiki sect are said to have visited State House in the wake of post-election violence, the Waki Commission heard Tuesday.
THERE WERE THERE TO DISCUSS BUSINESS AND INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES AIMED AT REALIZING VISION 2030.
aFTER GRAND REGENCY HERE IS LIBYA AGAIN TRYING TO CONTR5ROL EAST AFRICA!! THIS PIPELINE IS A BIG CONCERN FOR KENYA GOVERNMENT AND AFTER MUSEVENI SELLING UGANDA TO LIBYA!!!!"Tamoil of Libya""
ReplyDeleteWHAT IS THE KENYA GOVERNMENT DOING ABOUT THIS BREACH OF CONTRACT BY UGANDA - GIVING LIBYA TAMOIL COMPANY MORE SHARES OF THE PIPELINE
WHERE ARE THE OPPOSITIONS MP'S IN PARLIAMENT?? OPEN YOUR MOUTHS AND ASK THIS QUESTIONS NOW!! WHY ARE YOU ALL ASLEEP YET YOU WANT TO BE IN THE OPPOSITION-- PIPELINE PIPELINE (KENYA,UGANDA OIL PIPELINE)
KENYANS WANT TO KNOW!!! WE ALREADY KNOW MUSEVENI IS MARRIED TO GADDAFI OF LIBYA!
Uganda cedes stake in oil pipeline to Tamoil of Libya, local investors
By JULIUS BARIGABA
There has been a new twist in the control and ownership of the long anticipated Eldoret-Kampala oil pipeline, with sources confirming to The EastAfrican that contrary to the original plan, Uganda will now only take half of 24.5 per cent stake it was supposed to take in the venture.
Long accused of dragging its feet and reluctance to meet its part of the bargain in the project, it has emerged that Kampala is now only ready to finance land acquisition for the project.
But Energy minister Daudi Migereko who declined to comment on government’s commitment to its equity obligations told The EastAfrican last week that Kampala maintains a “carried interest” in the 358km pipeline project despite the budget providing for mainly land acquisition this financial year.
“We have decided that the project will be developed by the private investor but the government will maintain a carried interest,” said Mr Migereko.
This means that the private investor takes up the remaining 12.5 per cent of Kampala’s stake by providing the financing that the government was meant to commit in the joint venture project between itself, the government of Kenya and the private investor. Sources also indicate that Kampala has negotiated for a position in which the investor would recover his investment injected in the project on behalf of Kampala by claiming the profits that would accrue to Uganda’s stake.
Libyan oil giant Tamoil won the tender through its affiliate Tamoil East Africa, to build, own and operate the pipeline in 2006 in a joint venture between itself and the governments of Uganda and Kenya. Estimated to swallow upwards of $80 million, the project requires Uganda and Kenya governments to commit $5.8 million each for their stake, while the private investor foots the rest 70 per cent borrowing against 30 per cent cash financing.
Landlocked Uganda spends millions of dollars transporting oil products from Mombasa mainly and to a small extent, from Dar es Salaam. A plan to reduce the burden of Uganda — and later other hinterland countries of Rwanda, Burundi and eastern Congo which would extend the pipeline downstream — was drawn as an alternative to the costly mode of transportation along the northern corridor.
In the project’s original plan, the private investor was to own 51 per cent of the pipeline before transferring it after a period of 20 years to the two governments whose 49 per cent stake was split right through the middle.
This meant that both governments were to commit equal resources and make the same decisions regarding tendering, investment, development and use of the pipeline. Indeed the project’s implementation is co-chaired by the Energy permanent secretaries of both Kenya and Uganda, Patrick Nyoike and Fred Kabagambe-Kaliisa respectively.
However, there are worries that Kampala is ceding its stake in a strategic infrastructure project for no clear reasons to unnamed persons who are masking behind Tamoil, upping its stake. Clearly $5.8 million is a worthwhile investment in a project that would guarantee the country a cheaper option to costly fuel transportation.
The national budget framework paper which spelt out the country’s expenditure priorities for 2008/09 said among other things, that Uganda faces the challenge of meeting its equity contribution as it still has a shortfall of Ush8.16 billion ($4.6 million). This means that Uganda has only $1.2 million available, but the paper raises more eyebrows, saying the ministry also requires Ush250 million ($142,857) to meet its other obligations under the various project agreements on pipeline promotion and development.
The budget goes ahead to state that funding priorities in the Energy ministry to the tune of Ush449.34 billion ($256 million) in the current financial year are energy planning, management and infrastructure development — which take up 66 per cent of the ministry’s budget, while petroleum supply, infrastructure and regulation — under which the pipeline falls — is left almost bare, with a paltry Ush870 million ($497,142), part of which will now finance compensation of land owners.
The pipeline, which has endured several postponements since it was awarded to Tamoil in January 2007, has not been short of controversy. First, the governments of Kenya and Uganda raised queries over the contractor’s capacity to finance the project, but later, the government of Uganda started to send signals that it was pulling out of its 24.5 per cent ownership in the project arguing that it was not interested in the pipeline, but rather, its contents.
Then in May this year, the Energy ministry again said construction would not start due to delays that were blamed on Kenya, which had got consumed in fixing emergencies occasioned by the post-election crisis that hit the country following the December 27 elections.
Current chair of the Natural Resources Committee of parliament Winnie Matsiko told The EastAfrican that the committee was equally in the dark about the project and would meet ministry officials this week to get an update on the situation. But the committee’s former chair Emmanuel Dombo was even more unequivocal: “This project is long over due. My committee raised all these concerns and as all these delays go on, the heavy trucks that transport oil products are destroying our roads.”
Records of the Natural Resources Committee indicate that just last year, it warned the ministry of Energy to negotiate carefully to guard against future losses and weigh the would be effect of the country’s withdrawal from a strategic project such as the oil pipeline.
Mr Dombo also said that the land acquisition process itself is already tinged with controversy. The legislator said that as late as June this year, his committee had been approached by complainants who said they had not been compensated and demanded attention of the minister, an issue that was referred to Mr Migereko’s office.
It is understood however that Kampala which has often been accused of dragging its feet on the project is now keen to expedite the construction, starting with the inland terminal depot. “We are looking to get some work started on the Ugandan side. We are looking at the main depot terminal, to see if it is possible to expedite that component of the project,” a source at the ministry told The EastAfrican.
While this goes on, the country’s energy bill is growing. Thermal power generating firm Aggreko has applied to the electricity regulatory authority for an upward tariff adjustment due to increased cost of oil. The firm says power generation has become more costly not just because of hikes in global oil prices, but a lack of cheaper transportation. Diesel is transported by tankers from Mombasa to Kampala.
At that, railway concessionaire Rift Valley Railways has issued notice to increase its freight charges effective August, also citing the spiralling fuel prices. These two issues will clearly rub salt into the wounds of Uganda’s energy problems.
The Eldoret-Kampala pipeline is expected to significantly reduce transportation costs of oil products by about 40-50 per cent, which translates into $20 per cubic metre of oil instead of the current tariff of $35-$40 per 1,000 litres.
Early this year, Rwanda came aboard the pipeline extension plans to Kigali.
WHAT DID I TELL YOU KENYANS?? WHERE IS MP ABABU AND HIS OPPOSITION MPS TO SINK THEIR TEETH IN THIS SCANDAL??
ReplyDeleteBut the local shareholders of RVR(RAILYWAY)
CHECK THE SHAREHOLDERS?KENYAN THIEVES(TRANSCENTURY) HOW DID THEY COME TO OWN SHARES IN THE RIFTVALLEY RAILWAY LINE????? WHO ARE THIS KENYANS??
NAMES PLEASE IN PARLIAMENT!!!!!!
PLEASE READ ON :::
— Transcentury Ltd and Centum Ltd — prefer to deal with the Magadi Soda consortium while Sheltham Ltd is leaning towards the Australians.
FULL STORY GO TO
http://www.nationmedia.com/eastafrican/current/News/news210720081.htm
Lenders set new conditions for troubled RVR
By STAFF WRITER
Two key international financial institutions supporting the Kenya-Uganda Railway concession have said they would not disburse funds to Rift Valley Railways until new conditions are met.
The problem with kenyans , is that you want a good life but are not willing to pay the price , all developed countries have paid a price and now their future generations are enjoying what their forefathers paid for in blood.The little sacrifice you gave in december is barely enough to satisfy the lords of modernization , democracy and development, they want more and until you pay the last drop you will never see your so called maendeleo.Kenyans are the only people i know who will run away from an unarmed policeman during demonstrations.You drivo the white man out , how much blood did you pay to get your uhuru?
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ReplyDeleteKwani you thought Rift V Railways was owned by South Africans?
By the time these people are through with us, Kenya will be private property owned by the Kikuyu elite.
Oh yes, forgot to mention Moi and his cronies too.
ReplyDeleteI think central province needs to embrace Majimbo. really we need that system. just so some people, whose lives revolve around kikuyus can atleast work on other essential things like digging latrines in their home areas.
ReplyDeleteWe need a separate state. very soon, other Jimbos will realize for all the empty talk, there is nothing going on in the Western region and wil join us. at least if they dont want to live in Cholera epidemic zones and slums ike kibera in the name of worshiping some dude
Sir Alex
ReplyDeleteI hate to do this....But did i not warn you that, that this is not a race that you will not finish easily? But enyewe you have the drive man. As you continue blogging in Kumekucha remember common sense is not common to some people and their is a disclaimer that lunatics are allowed to blog in Europe. I saw one guy insulting you but i just remembered that he couldn't give Kumekuchans a simple blue print for Kibera or is it Langata constituency?
Enyewe i told you so!!!
Ivy
Yawa Ivy
ReplyDeleteSome guys can't even read.
Sir Alex
Raila has become part of the kikuyu fraternity he really wanted to belong to.
ReplyDeleteI say fraternity cos Martha Karua has realized it does not include women, and would rather take in an uncut jang'o.
Neither Raila nor Kibaki has done a thing to lift their "tribes" out of poverty, disease or backwardness, but have efficiently enriched their own families and put aside some for their descendants. And that, folks, is the entire story. As you can see, Raila is now busy praising Kibaki, who only a short while ago, had youth throwing stones and burning people and things to get a political seat from.
So wake up and quit being tribalists Kenyans, and pick leaders who do not use you as mere pawns. Grow the eff up.
I agree, democracy is a foreign concept to Africans, and does not work even in the west, trust that.
Creatures like kalamari who use rape analogies anywhere they can -and advocate on ways not to be caught after the act - are not really smart, just pretending to be smart so as to attract the kind of hero-worship kenyans are prone to give anything that moves e.g ojinga followers.
Further on, kikuyus, like all human beings, forget the non-kikuyus that were burnt in houses in nairobi, felled by police bullets in Rv and Kisumu, and all the heads placed on posts by mungiki, not to mention the elitist and entitlement feelings they possess about kenya etc etc even as they scream about one church incident in eldoret. Figures. Kenya will remain in the murk until ya'll grow the eff up.