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Wednesday, May 13, 2009

Migingo: The King is Dead, Sell the Corpse

132 comments:

papa plus said...

If you look in the Kikuyu dictionary for the word Kihii, you will find a picture of Kibaki.

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that Museveni has been made to believe that the problem of Migingo is between him and "mjaluos" not between him and a sovereign country called Kenya. Considering the close relationship between Kibaki and Museveni including the help Museveni gave him after the stolen election to beat up and shoot the same "mjaluos" on behalf of Kibaki this makes a lot of sense to me.

Could it be that president Kibaki in his talks with Museveni over Migingo actually speaks in the same manner? I wouldn't be surprised. This is a bloody shame for the country. I am glad the local papers are giving the story the prominence it deserves. I am deeply embarrassed for the republic.


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http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/597694/-/u6954o/-/index.html

A fresh diplomatic row broke out between Kenya and Uganda on Tuesday after President Museveni claimed that the disputed Migingo Island “may be in Kenya, but its waters are in Uganda”.

The Kenya government reacted swiftly and angrily, terming the Ugandan leader’s remarks as “arrogant, unintelligent and callous”.

Foreign Affairs assistant minister Richard Onyonka said he was shocked to hear the “negative tribal language” President Museveni used against a community of a friendly country and asked him to spare Kenya such diplomatic spats.

“Our work has not been easy and for President Museveni to deal such a blow to efforts aimed at resolving the dispute, shows disregard for intelligence and good neighbourliness,” he said.

Speaking to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, President Museveni declared that the disputed Migingo Island is in Kenya but the water surrounding it belonged to his country.

The Ugandan Head of State said Kenyans will not be allowed to fish from the island that has been at the centre of a diplomatic row between the two countries.


“The island is in Kenya, the water is in Uganda. But the Wajaluos are mad, they want to fish here but this is Uganda... hii nchi huru (this is a sovereign country). It is written here in English... from this point, the border will continue to go in a straight line to the most northern point of Suba Island. Mpaka inazunguka kisiwa (the border surrounds the island)... one foot into the water and you’re in Uganda,” President Museveni said.

Unlike a month ago when he termed the row “shameful”, President Museveni seemed to be spoiling for a fight over the island. He indicated that the uprooting of the railway in Nairobi’s Kibera area would not bother him as long as he continued to bar Kenyans from fishing around the island.

He added: “So, I have been telling those Jaluos who were rioting... wanang’oa (uprooting) railway... see, I want to discuss with them... if we implement this hakuna mjaluo atavua samaki (no Luo will fish) in this water.”

President Museveni made the declaration only a day after a survey aimed at resolving the ownership of the one-acre rocky island was launched.

In a joint communiqué in Nairobi on Monday, Kenya’s Foreign Affairs minister Moses Wetang’ula and Uganda’s third Deputy Prime Minister Kirunda Kivejinja said the survey would put an end to the simmering row.

On Tuesday, Mr Wetang’ula told the BBC that President Museveni was confirming what Kenya has been saying all along. He added that as neighbours, Kenya and Uganda wanted to resolve the Migingo issue without confrontation.

“As a minister, I do not want to dwell on what President Museveni said or what he meant. We are doing a survey as agreed in order to solve the issue and Kenya and Uganda have a good relationship in the spirit of the East African Community,” Mr Wetang’ula said from Qatar.

During the press briefing in Nairobi, the leaders said that the project would take two months and would include the survey of the entire Kenya-Uganda border on Lake Victoria. The evaluation will be guided by a 1926 order in council, the 1963 Kenyan Constitution, the 1995 Ugandan Constitution and other relevant documents.

The survey team is led by Kenya’s director of Lands, Mr Ephantus Murage and his Ugandan counterpart, Mr Justin Buogi.

In Nairobi, MPs from the Nyanza region told off the Ugandan President, asking him to concentrate in affairs affecting his country. They also accused him of pre-empting the findings of the survey.

“Mr Museveni should know that Migingo Island and the water surrounding it belong to Kenya,” Nyatike MP Omondi Anyanga told journalists in Nairobi.

The MPs accused President Museveni of dealing with Kenya “aggressively” and asked him to instead focus on “leadership problems” facing his country.

Mr Onyonka, who spoke to the Nation on phone, fell short of asking President Museveni to apologise. “Our neighbours should be careful and stop such callous remarks which might cause tension and bad blood,” Mr Onyonka said.
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Anonymous said...

THIS POST FROM JUKWAA SAYS IT ALL
MUSEVENI MPUMBAVU SANA YEYE MAVI YA KIBAKI...


This guerilla warrior should not bring his dictatorial nonsense to Kenya, and his foul language which he intimidates Kibaki with. He scares no one in Kenya which is much bigger than his silly ego.

He knows what kind of idiots he can intimidate, but not the rest of Kenyans.

Migingo and the surrounding waters belong to Kenya, period.

With his tail between his legs, he has so far lowered his flag and is now already pre-empting the obvious announcement of the survey - that Migingo belongs to Kenya. What a waste of our 140 million shillings when people are starving.

The fool should move out his crooked guerrillas out of West Pokot immediately and quit imagining slicing off any portion of Kenya.

It is not just Luos who live or fish in Migingo Island - these are Kenyans plus of course some guests including Museveni's stupid Ugandan security intruders.

And by the way who told this Ankole bastard that the railway uprooters in Kibera were all Luos. Video clips show a national picture of solidarity regarding the protestors. Territorial matters of Kenya - whether at Migingo or Pokot, will be resisted by all Kenyans alike.

It is clear Museveni is trying to create red herrings to cover for his crime during the PEV in which his security forces intruded into Kenya and killed civilians. That's another matter altogether.

Museveni will not prevent Kenyan fishermen from participating in their only source of livelihood. Otherwise he should be aware from his landlocked vantage that good neighbourliness pays. Mark these words.

Museveni should stop dreaming of grabbing Kenyan revenues accrued from the fishing industry the way he loots in Congo. These are Kenyan resources.

And to our sitting duck - the so called 'duly elected' president - shame on you for subjecting your citizens to such harrassment and bullying. Shindwe kabisa! Can't even protect your borders until the PM, ministers, MPs and civilians including yes - those Railway uprooters- act to protect their territory. Can't even protect your own kin in Nyeri from Mungiki, or even care about IDPs. Bure kabisa. Kenya should just donate this Kibaki to Museveni.

And where is that shrill voiced Alfred Mutua who should from now henceforth start referring to Migingo by it's rightful pronounciation - its never been called Mijingo.

Anonymous said...

THE MUSEVENI FOOL IS NOW TRYING TO ACT LIKE KIBAKI'S MOUTH PIECE ALFRED MUTUA

MUSEVENI SHOULD KNOW KENYANS ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN HIS LITTLE HEAD THAT SPEWS ROT.. WHO BORN HIM... HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HIS FATHER OR MOTHER( MUSEVENI IS NOT EVEN UGANDAN) THE MURDERER TOOK OVER A UGANDA AND HIS ORIGINS ARE RWANDAN.. SHENZI SANA

Clarification of President Museveni�s Statement on Migingo Island


This is a clarification, on statements attributed to H.E President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni regarding ownership of Migingo Island to Kenya, in a lecture delivered at the University of Dar es Salaam on 11 May 2009.

His Excellency’s statements have been misconstrued, misunderstood and taken out of context.

President Museveni’s Dar es Salaam lecture was delivered in the spirit of EAC integration and cooperation, highlighting the futility of dissipating regional energies on arbitrary boundary considerations. Whereas, focus should be upon regional integration for the enjoyment of the regions abundant resources by all EAC citizens.

President Museveni’s position, and that of the Government of Uganda, continues in keeping with the issued joint communiqués of Kampala 13 Mar 2009, the Lusaka meeting between the two Heads of State, Arusha 29 Apr 2009 and Nairobi 11 May 2009.

Therefore, it is unfortunate that certain members of the Kenyan political class continue to misinform and mislead the Kenyan public on the Migingo Island issue. The Government of Uganda views with grave misgivings the motion, moved and currently being debated on the floor of the Parliament of Kenya, championing the use of Kenya Navy and Air Force in the resolution of this matter.

Furthermore, the Government of Uganda resolutely refutes allegations of its armed forces presence in the Kenya West Pokot region.

The Government of Uganda further reiterates its commitment to the diplomatic resolution of this matter and recommits to unequivocally accept the findings of the technical survey team, and adhere to such in keeping with its territorial, regional and international responsibilities.



Fred Opolot
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

Anonymous said...

JUKWAA: says it all the writers there have all of it in the bag!!
" MUSEVENI" the Ugandan shame and con of a president,,, yes he is not Ugandan -sources confirm..Ugandans should get rid of this impostor the thug called 'MUSEVENI" the murderer... he is no different than KIBAKI


Museveni put his foot in his mouth and screwed himself over and now they are trying to back track and I think they are again making a mockery of the sovereignty of Kenya. Museveni or his spokesperson has no business giving orders to the Kenya National Assembly on what they can talk about and what they can't talk about. He can comment on public statements but it is rude and uncouth to discuss deliberations on the floor of the Kenyan parliament even as it happens.

Even worse is the insinuation from the Museveni statement that only a section of the Kenyan M.Ps ("jaluos") have introduced a debate. What Museveni is telling the world is that he knows that the Kenyan government and society is divided along tribal lines and as long as he has support from a section of the government and tribes he can molest the other tribe. That is what is at the root of Museveni's problem with his original statement.

Going back to the earlier statement the problem was that Museveni very disparagingly indicated the problem is between him and "mad jaluos", and not between him and Kenya. That is just a stupid statement to make and if Kenya had any government worth its salt they would have simply summoned the the Ugandan rep in Kenya gave him a letter of protest denouncing the notion that a foreign leader can divide Kenya into tribes and declare which tribes he wants to fight. Kibaki doesn't have to engage in a pissing contest with him. It is not necessary.

It is very possible Kibaki talks to Museveni in the same language. I will not rule out that Kibaki has expressed his frustrations with the "mad Jaruos" and assured Museveni they are a pain in the butt but he has to share a country with them. Kibaki asked Museveni to come help him kill those same "jaruos" after Kibaki stole the election. So Museveni learned he too can borrow a leaf from Kibaki and start molesting jaluos.

The trouble for Museveni is that those "jaruo" things are supposed to be talked about in private not in a BBC radio interview. But Museveni is the crude and uncouth type so he thought since this is the thinking in the State House cycles of Kenya it was okay to talk about it. That is the mess he got himself into.

The other strange thing is that a group of M.Ps calling themselves the government side actually walked out of parliament when Museveni was being blasted. They said they were not allowed to talk. For the most part they were against harsh words being used against Museveni. The question is; Is Museveni the president of Kenya? Of course not.

But if you are Museveni and you see "government" side walk out of parliament to protect you, doesn't that make you feel that country is too divided to protect itself and gives you more power to insult a section of the communities of Kenya?

The country is indivisible and that has to be maintained very clearly when you are dealing with foreign aggression regardless of political problems in the land.

The issue of going to war is red herring. It is rubbish being propelled to defend our government's gross failure to assert the territorial integrity of the republic. Nobody wants to go to war. Not even Museveni. But Kenyans must be truly alarmed that we have reached a stage where tribalism is eating away at the very sovereignty of the state. That is what is alarming to me. The consequences can be terrible.

In the meantime Museveni is even making it easier for Kenya to retain migingo with his stupid comments. I wish he continues.

Anonymous said...

!!!!fantastic comments form Jukwaa on Museveni the thief -


the sloth from othaya has buried his head in the sand? not in between the crack behind up his legs?
And why should josef gobels mutua say anything before Wetangula has talked? Isn't this in Wetangula's docket and OP?


One thing about jomo snr. He never allowed Idi Amin to cheza na boundaries. I remember the whole country mobilizing against Amin's nefarious intentions.

Anonymous said...

SEEMS LIKE PNU=KIBAKI SURPPOT MUSEVENI -SHENZI MPUMBAVU SANA
NOW SOURCES CONFIRM KIBAKI GAVE MIGINGO ISLAND TO MUSEVENI- IN RETURN FOR THE SUPPORT DURING 2007 ELECTIONS- THIS IS THE SHOCKER IN WAITING( SOURCE VERY HIGH PLACED IN THE FORMER NARC GOVERNMENT)

DOES THIS SHOCK KENYANS NO!! KIBAKI CAN SELL EVEN HIS OWN CHILDREN.. TRY HIM!! TO SAVE HIS ASS!!


Jukwaa:
That is exactly what happened.

In fact the walkout was led by David Musila who happens to be the Assistant minister of defense. In fact after the walkout the debate ended abruptly because there was no quorum to continue the debate. What do you think that tells Museveni?

Here is the story.

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Local/Kenya-MPs-enraged-by-Museveni-4394.html

Kenya MPs enraged by Museveni

BY ROB JILLO and BERNARD MOMANYI


NAIROBI, Kenya, May 13 – Angry Kenyan legislators on Wednesday demanded explanation and answers from the government following remarks by Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni on the disputed Migingo Island which they termed was an ‘insult and derogatory’.

The legislators want President Mwai Kibaki to explain why President Museveni insulted Kenyans over the Migingo Island row.

Museveni was reported in the international media saying that the disputed island is in Kenya but the water surrounding it is Uganda’s.

“We want Kibaki to tell Museveni that his comments on the Luo are unacceptable; we can’t let him bring his dictatorial tendencies in our country,” Gwasi MP John Mbadi said. "Our country must remain sovereign. He (Museveni) must be reminded that the bulk of the waters in Lake Victoria comes from Kenya."

Saboti MP Eugene Wamalwa said that the matter is not about to end and it concerns the international community.

Several MPs rose to register their disappointment over Kenya's handling of the issue. They have said that the Kenya leadership has apparently failed in its efforts to push for a diplomatic solution to the crisis.

“Can the President come out forcefully to react to this issue,” he added.

MPs want Kenya to take decisive action against Uganda to reclaim its territorial integrity and if necessary seek international help through the United Nations Security Council.

But the debate came to an abrupt end due to lack of quorum after Assistant Defence Minister David Musila led the government side in a walkout of Parliament arguing that they were not being given a chance by temporary speaker Philip Kaloki to contribute to the debate.

The Government had earlier argued that diplomatic channels had yet to be exhausted, and that even if they failed they should seek mediation and a legal avenue before considering military intervention.

"There are many avenues starting with diplomacy and with the thousands of options available. We cannot just go to war with a friendly nation," Mr Musila told Parliament.

But backbenchers argued that Uganda was no longer a friendly nation after it attacked the Luo community.

"How can we describe Uganda as a friendly nation when it has demonised a section of our community,” Mr Mungatana posed.

The debate heated up forcing the minority members on the government side to walk out and thereby forcing an adjournment into the debate two hours ahead of time.

In the meantime, Internal Security Minister Professor George Saitoti ruled out any possibility of Kenya engaging Uganda in any form of aggression following President Yoweri Museveni’s attacking remarks.

Prof Saitoti insisted that Uganda is a ‘friendly neighbouring country’ despite President Museveni’s remarks against members of the Luo community to whom he described as ‘mad’ in an interview with the BBC on Tuesday while discussing the ownership of the controversial Migingo Island.

“I want to put it on record that Uganda and Kenya remain friendly nations. If there is any little problem I can assure you that that problem can always be sorted out just as much as we are trying to sort it as far as the boundary issue is concerned,” he said.

When pressed by reporters to assure Kenyans living in Migingo Island of maximum security, the Minister said: “Have you heard any casualties? there is absolutely nothing to worry about.”

He declined to respond to President Museveni’s remarks.

“Obviously, what you are trying to do is to ask me whether I should reply to a President of a neighbouring country, I think that is not something any one will want to do,” he said.

papa plus said...

Add Saitoti to that list of spineless kihiis in Kenya.

papa plus said...

Add Saitoti to that list of spineless kihiis in Kenya.

Anonymous said...

anon6:47 PM

I said this all along, the two thieves thought then in 2007 that kibaki would be the president by force and then the island would not have been a problem- those maps would have disappeared..

but then the coalition happened and wwwwwwhoops the dirty deal was not to be "exposed'
sources say on top of giving Musevini the migingo island Kibaki aslo borrowed money from Museveni( this is from high placed operatives very close to Museveni.

Why do you think Kibaki is silent? it is because he has no teeth or leg to say anything to Museveni

kibaki sold out kenyans heritage to stay in power( remember Uganda army spotted inside kenyans borders during the clashes? does that ring a bell?


kibaki yet again has been caught with his pants down.

but wait. there is a tape going to resurface with kibaki giving the Migingo to Museveni!!! caught in the act-kenyans will know the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth

Anonymous said...

NOBODY COMING OUT IN THE DEFENSE OF MARTHA KARUA ?? WHY??

SHE HAS KENYANS INNOCENT BLOOD ON HER HANDS AND HER TIME HAS COME- LET HER GO WATCH HERSELF ON BBC SHRIEKING AND ABUSING WHILE INNOCENT KENYANS WERE BEING SLAUGHTERED!!BY THE SAME MUNGIKI SHE HIRED AND NOW THE VIGILANTE GROUPS ARE GOING FOR HER? WHY?

" MUNGIKI YOUTH EXECUTIONS BY KIBAKI AND HER SUPPORT THEN..

IT IS BETWEEN MAINA NJENGA AND MARTHA KARUA PLUS KIBAKI AND CRONIES- THE RED RIVERS WILL CONTINUE FLOWING IN CENTRAL
"THE INNOCENT DEAD HAVE SPOKEN"

HomeNews

News
Police top Karua’s list of threats to her life

Former Justice minister Martha Karua says police will be the prime suspects if anything happens to her and her family following reports that her life is in danger.

Ms Karua accused the police of being behind some FM radio station reports that her life and those of her family were in danger from vigilante groups.

The Gichugu MP on Wednesday said in Parliament that the statements were curious as they originated from police yet she was not privy to the information. The former minister questioned the police’s motive in not informing her of the reports.

Run for presidency

The Narc Kenya chairperson, who has declared her intention to run for the presidency in 2012, questioned why police communicated with the media before informing her. The MP said the alarmist information was meant to intimidate her and curtail her presidential ambitions.

“I have not been threatened by my neighbours and community. My only threat comes from those sections detailed by the police,” she said. “If anything happens to me and my family, I want to say here and now that the police will be the prime suspects.”

Ms Karua, who resigned from the Cabinet citing frustration, has strongly condemned vigilante groups following the recent Mathira massacre. The former minister insists that 44 people were killed, not 29 as reported by police, citing 15 others killed by vigilantes.

She has accused the police of complicity, questioning if they had licensed the vigilantes to work with them. In a personal statement in Parliament, Ms Karua maintained that police should arrest individuals “and not brand youth”.

“Police cannot purport to fight crime using crime,” she said. “It is incumbent upon them to arrest suspects, not brand and criminalise the youth. If that is what I am being intimidated for, then I firmly hold onto my position.”

Ms Karua said she held a meeting to discuss security concerns with some of her constituents recently which the local provincial administration attended but there was no word about her security.

Security detail

“If I am under threat, who are these vigilantes? And why were my security detail and driver withdrawn immediately after I resigned yet some ex-ministers who failed to make it back to Parliament in the last election still retain government vehicles and even the security detail?” she asked.

papa plus said...

Kenya inchi ya kitu kidogo, makende madogo, akili ndogo, siasa ndogo...Museveni should just go ahead and annex kenya. There is no government to speak of, the people are cowards, the rich will run away before museveni rides in a tank to Nairobi.

Vikii said...

Well, these are your opinions. They are not facts and I DO NOT CARE what you say or 'think'. As far as I am concerned, President Museveni has conceded the disputed island to kenya. He has brought down his country's flag which was the basis for accusations of encroachment. There is no teritorrial dispute between the two countries now unless we can prove with authoritative maps that even the sorrounding waters are Kenya's. When the land was being fought over, we flashed colonial maps to back our propositions. Let us now go ahead and use whatever documents that support our claims for the sorrounding water as well.

Which brings me to the issue making you red with anger; Does Uganda have a dispute with kenya? The answer is NO. Do they have a dispute with Jaluos? The answer is YES. You cannot bully your way into everything. It is not only stupid, it self defeating. The President's refernce of the issue as a Jaluo issue with very little to do with kenya was informed by the legendary ill-mannered belief that we can solve all disputes using intimidation. Who uprooted the rail line? Look me in the eye and tell me if that was not a bunch of Luos doing what they consider a passtime activity. Can you say even with approximate confidence that there were Kambas, Giriamas, Kisiis, Ogieks, Kikuyus, Somalis, Turkanas, Rendilles, or Bukusus in those shenanigans? Why then should we not consider it a Jaluo affair? Who fishes in those waters Museveni is laying claim to? Maasais?

Uprooting rail lines in a stupid belief that it hurts Ugandans more than it does kenyans is just crazy, the rationale of such a move is hard to see. So if people have no trust in their own government (which may have failed), if they believe push has come to shove and that the jungle jurisprudence appears more appealing, then what's wrong with President Museveni deterring them (yes that particular group that was from the very beginning so keen to own the dispute) from the resources he considers his sovereign country's?

So, it is simple; if it is trully a Kenya's problem, then let's include everybody in its claim by petitioning our government to be a little more aggressive in its pursuit. If people monopolise it, it's only fair they fight their fights. Why we should even all pay towards that dumb showbiz, I do not understand.

I continue to see--and so does the Ugandan President--a CONTEMPTUOUS PEOPLE, contemptuos of any established order, struggling to grow up. But then again, this is my opinion. Opinions ni kama nywele , kila mtu ana zake. I just hate to be dragged (as a Kenyan citizen) to an issue which is truly not a Kenyan affair.

Nitukaneni sasa, mkitaka.

Anonymous said...

vikii

is a community riddles with extrotionist mungikis and slashings its own in the night a GROWN UP COMMUNITY?

is a community that worships crimes and genetically aspires for it a GROWN UP ONE?

is a cpmmunity that is 22% if kenya but has 90% of prison inmates a GROWN UP ONE?

hehehehehehe ... danganya wengine dada.

Anonymous said...

[img]http://www.eastafricanpublishers.com/uchuuzi/products_pictures/My%20life%20in%20crime%20(big).jpg[/img]

this book sold thousands upon thousands in the 1980's and 1990's in a certain region of kenya. the children of those years who listened to the bedtime stories of this book from their fathers and mother have now matured. and john kiriamiti is their inspiration much like he inspired their fathers/mothers. its not a surpirse to see some SIMILAR EXTORTION events in the same region being so widely practised, OBEYED and accepted. it started from far and will take 1-2 generations to end. By that time, the DECAY and its effects will be deadly. Meanwhile, the denials of doomsday continue wallowing in ostrich sands.

BTW remember thooose days before Mungiki there was the Wanugu and the sijui Wangiri, a bunch of crooks that terrorized Kenya for a long time before NSIS started to gun them down one by one? It was like real dramma series to read the paper of who which was gunned down on any given day or how they engaged the police in a chase and escaped the dragnet.

to you and me it was a tale of KEEPING TO MORALS.

to some, it was "the man, the way to be, the way to the top of the mugumo tree using a razor blade".

papa plus said...

Vikii,

People like you really scare me. Your sense of patriotism is all out of whack. I ask you again, does your ID/passport read Luo? Kikuyu? Kisii? or does it say kenya?

Museveni attacks one community in Kenya are you have the audacity to say that he is right and that it is that community's affair? Do the Luos not pay taxes in Kenya? Exactly what qualifies one as a Luo citizen and not a Kenyan citizen?

Vikii said...

9.01, Four quick things;

1. The community Museveni accused of shenanigans may be killing its own people without knowing, but certainly doesn't constitute 22% of Kenya's population.

2. I never exhaulted any community. There are two protagonists in this saga and I just took the side I am more comfortable with. These two are Jaluos and President Museveni. I choose the latter's position.

3. I am not a dada.

4. I am comfortable with my community on most of the statistical stuff you want to talk about. Unfortunately, the president never mentioned it and neither did YOU even point a finger at it!

9.20, How did Museveni "attack" the Luo community? He merely referred to them by their name. If you say "the Kambas hunt in this forest" or whatever and it happens to be true, does that constitute an attack? Tell the president another name for a jaluo and he will use it. Hakuwatukana. He merely said, 'these jaluos are uprooting railways...'. Is that true or false? He is not the first person to say that anyway, I believe so too. That's not attacking anybody.

You are talking of patriotism, I did a comment here castigating our President--indeed asking him to resign---for refusing to react to provocation from Uganda. Uganda's President has since conceded that dispute and started another one with Luos. I can only be patriotic to Kenya. Are you asking to be patriotic to Luoism? I am not Luo, duh!!!

Anonymous said...

There is one village idiot who has posted almost all the comments here, kwani you dont sleep? Mbwa wewe! Question: Why dont you spend/ channel that negative energy and spend it uprooting the water haycinth which is clogging our part of the lake? why are you uprooting the railway instead? It is easier to uproot weeds than heavy metal! Nyani jinga wewe

Anonymous said...

Immigration office has failed us. They have registered many foreigners including luos as kenyans when they arent. Most of these luos are actually not kenyan and have strong ties with the same people they want to fight

Anonymous said...

Stop attacking innocent Vikii for telling you the TRUTH. You are just the usual baboon who has decided to poor your crap here to avoid a heart attack. Take that shit back into your ass. Why are you now taking about kenyans and patriotism. Are you not the usual tribalist who claims kiuks should be exterminated? that they will not rule? that they are not kenyan? then what is kenya? Go fuck yourself now! We dont give a shit about Mijinjo...M7 should bomb it to say the least. And the rest of you pretenders who cheered during PEV, why are you all of a sudden patriotic? didnt you vote along tribal lines? didnt you vote for these leaders after getting a few coins and a t-shirt? Now stew in your anger and bitterness until 2012. In the meantime M7 can say anything he wants about Luos, we say the same everyday about ourselves
NB: Leaders are a reflection of the society who elected them.

papa plus said...

Vikii,

You missed the point entirely. Perhaps because your definition of patriotic Kenya goes something along the lines of we are all Kenyans but some of us are more Kenyan than others.

For the record, am not a Luo. And neither am I a Kikuyu. However, if anyone and especially be they foreigners; said anything disparaging (whether factual or not)about any tribe within Kenya I take that personal. It amazes me that you can gloat about Migingo and fish being a Luo issue. If you can not realize that a Luo (or whatever tribe in Kenya) problem is a Kenyan problem, then there is very little I can say to you about your patriotism save that yours is an allegence to the tribe first and then country 2nd. Sadly, you are not alone in that thought process.

Anonymous said...

Vikii

I like your way of reasoning . But one question, Mungiki killing was that has been disturbing this country for long, was it a kikuyu affair or Kenya affair? Agree with me that over 95% of mungiki and its victim are Kikuyus? Kenya security agents have taken steps and used national funds to fight Mungiki though it was affecting one community. If this argument hold water, then I think that Migingo is a Kenya affair.

KK

papa plus said...

Vikii let me back track.

Anon 10.06 is probably right. One's perception is one's truth/reality. Evidently am looking at things from a different perspective being that am outside Kenya. SO I shouldn't belabor a point that for all intensive purpose is quite moot and inapplicable. Kenyan patriotism is quite different from the western patriotism. In Kenya one could be wining and dining on nyama choma and beer and dancing away the new year while others are eating cacti. These same folk can be dancing and parting while others are wondering the wilderness as refugees in their own country. In Kenya there is no such thing as shared responsibility, rather it is all for one and everyone for themselves doggy dog world.

I am saddened that Museveni can steam roll over Kenya without our Gk using the bully pulpit. Kenyatta used it when Uganda thought of annexing the whole of RV and parts west and Moi shut down the border until further notice. But Kibaki, always leading from the tail and always behind the curve, and posturing as someone with power but alas we have seen through the emperor's clothes and looked at his nakedness and there isn't much there but a foreskin drooping all the way to the ground. A true definition of a coward kihii if there ever was one! Pathetic!

Imagine what Israel would be like with a president like Kibaki?

Anonymous said...

Anon said
"if anyone and especially be they foreigners; said anything disparaging (whether factual or not)about any tribe within Kenya I take that personal"
WHAT A HYPOCRATE! ATI NOW YOU TAKE TRIBAL ATTACKS PERSONAL? WHAT ABOUT THE MANY TRIBAL ATTACKS YOU HAVE MADE YOURSELF? WHAT HAVE YOU SAID ABOUT MANY TRIBAL ATTACKS SAID BEFORE? ARE THE ATTACKS WRONG WHEN A FOREIGNER SAYS THEM? DO THEY CHANGE THEIR STATUS AND EFFECT BASED ON WHO IS SAYING THEM?
YOU ARE ALL HYPOCRATES, PLEASE STOP FOOLING YOURSELVES!

Anonymous said...

Anon
Is mungiki problem a kikuyu problem? No. BUT YOU MADE IT A KIKUYU PROBLEM. Every comment made here in support of mungiki has made it a kikuyu problem. You say kikuyu elite this, homeguards that, kikuyu rich took mungiki land this and that. SO YES YOU MADE MUNGIKI PROBLEM OUR PROBLEM AND WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE IT...YOU HAVE SEEN THE HEAT THEY ARE GETTING FROM VIGILANTES! SO SOLVE MIJINJO ALSO. AND PLEASE SPARE ME THE KENYA CRAP, WE STOPPED HAVING A COUNTRY AFTER 2007ELECTION.

HateLeadsNowhere said...

Luo's are getting a taste of their own negative ethnicity and now they're asking to be saved by "pumbavu" Kibaki? Isn't that hypocritical and laughable? Not all Luo's of course, but those of Sam Okello's chauvinist ilk. I say get a taste of your own hateful medicine for once, see how it feels to be an "isolated community" then maybe you'll learn your lesson that hate leads you nowhere.

Anonymous said...

I have a bad feeling about the past 5 years or so in East Africa. Kenya is collapsing, Somalia piracy, Uganda expansionism, TZ not wanting EAC. I think East Africa might break out into war in the near future. Something doesnt feel right...

Anonymous said...

Tell me who is my brother?
I had a business in Kisumu. I did not rig the elections. I had employed may Luos. After Kibaki rigged, the same Luos whom i had employed came and burnt down millions of shillings that was my business. I could not go 'home' since Rift valley was on fire, when i turned to western i was warned by luhya friends who didnt sound helpful so i fled to Uganda. There i was cordially welcomed and anyone i told my tale cried or offered support
Now tell me, who is my brother in the case above? Is there such a thing as kenyan? What is it to be kenyan?

Anonymous said...

I had thought you don't read the nation Idiot

FACTS said...

Adui from yesterday 5/13/09 3:20 PM

I did not know it was a competition, but from that perspective I would rather that it was a WIN-WIN, in my opinion the foundations of the BANANA republic we live in today was grounded on the FACT that somebody should always loose. Deep down we all want the same things – good governance, good infrastructure, good schools and the list goes on – our interests are NOT in competition.

Let’s move on to RAO and discus his escapades – everybody has them, with civility and clarity, high drama and insults is a prelude to chaos and disorder

Truth [ Disambiguation ] – “The word truth has a variety of meanings, from honesty, good faith, and sincerity in general, to agreement with fact or reality in particular. “ - Wikipedia

Anonymous said...

What is Kenyan, i boldly ask?
When our athletes and teams win their tribes troop to the airport to welcome their sons. Then they are not kenyans then but Kikuyus, Kalenjins, luhyas etc. Even after Sisulus appointment as defence minister, you called her husband 'Luo' not kenyan. So please take 'full' ownership including of mijinjo

M-Pesa said...

Where is son of Kogelo Barack Obama when Luos are under such attack from bully-boy Museveni? If indeed the world's most powerful man cared about his roots, fully loaded F15 bomber jets would be airborne right this minute on a mission to decimate Kampala!

Anonymous said...

Is Obama Kenyan or Luo?

Afew months ago, likes of Okello and other luo's were all over themselves telling us how a luo will be the most powerful man on earth.
well, he is. but has luo's benefited??? of course not.

has Kenya benefited, of course yes. so okello continue the tribal rants flanked by chris of the 'many hits more money' ideology.
kanoo

Anonymous said...

Ordinarily, I would be mad as hell with M7 but I am not. I learnt in 2008 never to defend those who reason with fists and negotiate with slings

It's amazing how 'patriotic' we become when we are boxed to a corner. What happened to 'Lesotho'? I thought all facts were laid bare here in KK that Lesothians are not Kenyans and we could do well without them.
Well, the shoe is on the other foot and you can feel the pinch.

You cannot eat githeri and expect to vomit fish. What you put in is what you get out.

Anonymous said...

Silly Jaluos have suddenly discovered that they are Kenyans. Last year they were all singing the secession song. They need to approach serious issues with less emotion. When all other Kenyans have been approaching the Migingo issue diplomatically, the Jaluos have been beating war drums. No wonder Museveni thinks they are mad. My fear is that he maight be right!

M-Pesa said...

So Kenya is under attack from Uganda, Alshabaab militia in somalia,Cattle rustlers from Ethiopia, Al-qaeda, Pirates, Mungiki, chinkororo etc...I have a simple suggestion to the government so as to ease all these tension and nuke our enemies. MAKE WILLIAM RUTO AKA "THE GENERAL" TO BE KENYA'S DEFENCE MINISTER...

Anonymous said...

What is the matter with Jaluos? In northern Uganda - trouble; Southern Sudan - trouble; Nyanza (Migingo) - trouble; and in Kibera - trouble. Baba Moi we miss the way you would lock away Crackpot Raila.

Anonymous said...

Did you read about some Jaluo MPs beating Ababu at Kisumu airport? Something is seriously wrong with the emotional composition of these people. Sad we have to share the country with them.

Anonymous said...

Whatever the merits of the each side of the Migingo controversy, a reasonable person would agree that Museveni should not bring ethnicity into it. It boggles the mind that a head of state would revert to ethnic language so easily. Obviously he has a hidden agenda.

The prezzo does nothing and his loyal lieutenant Karua is turning on him. This place is going mad.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, and I forgot to say - the PM is caught in a Maize scandal and the deputy PM wants to fleece the treasury in broad daylight. No wonder the US has shown serious concern. Wake me up from this nightmare.

Anonymous said...

For all the we need young leaders brigade,.....see now one young man Uhuru is nothing but a common thief,...'computer error' is so last century as excuse....Thye guy is a moron...so nuch for eloquent speech and all that trash....leadership is all about wisdom not necessarily young faces and eloquent conmen......The the composition of the so called technocrats almost all are kikuyu....this is the guy some kenyans are saying should lead us....does not seem to have a clue about wahts going on in a tiny littles ministry...how can he govern a nation as complicated and diverse as kenya? pumbavu mavi ya kuku he is an insult to our national pride.....petty thief..shame on all his suppoters....


Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

As vikii has said the issue for kenya was the rock and m7 has said it is ours. Do luos seriously think i (a mukamba, and luos normally call me mukamba - not kenyan or by my name) should fight m7 for his opinion of them? i have the same opinion but even if i didnt i wouldnt fight. Do we fight mzungus for their opinion of us? seems to me the issue was always the fish. M7 has said he will wait for the survey which he will respect but after that he does not want "kenyans" in UG waters. isnt this the way it is supposed to be? Assuming we are all sensible people, can one tell me what is meant by "migingo and the waters around it belong to kenya"? The whole of the lake? somebody wants to take m7's fish by force!

Anonymous said...

some joke that back in the day kenyans would laugh at but may not seem so funny now....`kikuyus are so used to robbing with guns and pangas...they don't know how to steal with a pencil(whit collar crime)...thats why they always get caught....' 2007 elections for example
'

Sir Alex

One Wife Man said...

Taabu aka Tabu,
Thank God for MIJINJO island the one thing that unites us now as kenyans is our defiance towards Museveni

43 comments and only a handful showing naked ethnic hatred that was stirred up early this week keep up the good work M7 your contempt is drawing us together

Anonymous said...

Sir Alex,

Lets not engage in foolish taxonomy of what or who a good thief is. In 1998, One thief named Omondi stole Kshs. 54 million in transit from JKIA and squandered it within months with Ugandan prostitutes and was broke in less than 3 months.

Thats a shame to all self respecting thieves (pun intended)

Andruid said...

One thing Vikii. Luos are kenyans and any dispute with them by default is a disupte with Kenyans and therefore if any foreigners wnat to harrass them they will have deal with all fury of all persons who share Kenyan-ness with the said Luos.


However, on the issue of Migingo, I still feel a milirary solution would cost far much more than merely Migingo island and the fish in the surrounding waters. Thus it should be an absolute last resort.

Anonymous said...

anon @3:05

Give Omondi Credit for getting away with it.....what he did with it is seriously non of your business....

Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

Vikii,

I find yuo very amusing. You seem to see everything through the "lenses" of Kalonzo Msaliti's buttocks.

Prepare to be dissapointed in the near future. Uhuru will be the PNU candidate for the presidency, Kalonzo will just continue to be used to wipe Mwai "pumbavu" Kibaki and Uhuru "millions of acres of grabbed land" Kenyatta ass holes until the objective of Jomo Jnrs nomination is assured and then the inevitable will happen, Kalonzo will be dumped a la Martha Karua et al

Anonymous said...

Migingo is a red herring...lets focus on the theiving Uhuru...

Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

One wife man (whatever that means) you said:
'43 comments and only a handful showing naked ethnic hatred that was stirred up early this week keep up the good work M7 your contempt is drawing us together'
Do you think Ukabila will end coz of Mijinjo? Tribalists including you(yes stop assuming moral high ground) will revert to your old positions. Ask yourself why Sam Okello is quiet. Its coz he is ashamed of talking anything kenyan. Why? he is a tribalist like many others. PLEASE LETS STOP THIS HYPOCRACY

Anonymous said...

A fool said
"Luos are kenyans and any dispute with them by default is a disupte with Kenyans and therefore if any foreigners wnat to harrass them they will have deal with all fury of all persons who share Kenyan-ness with the said Luos"
Why dont you say the same about Mungiki
JUST A WHOLE LOAD OF CRAP AND IGNORANCE!

Anonymous said...

Same people who said let the technocrats run Kajwang's ministry are now blaming the same technocrats for misleading Uhuru......pumbavu the lot of you.....u can run but u cannot hide sooner or later you get caught.....

Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

I almost want to cry when I hear people say that Migingo is a Luo affair. So - when the Sabaot people suffered under SDLF - that was a Sabaot affair? When Budalang'i reels in floods that is Namwamba and his tribesmen affair? Whe Mungiki go on rampage killing - that is a Kikuyu affair? God have mercy.

Anonymous said...

M7 Please invade Luo nyanza and teach those bastards a lesson. We give you FULL access rights

Anonymous said...

YES MIJINJO IS A LUO AFFAIR JUST LIKE MUNGIKI IS A KIKUYU AFFAIR! STOP BEING IGNORANT. THIS IS THE WAY YOU MADE IT

Anonymous said...

It is now emerging from eti Uhuru was sabotaged with goons planted by and Kalonzo

Who is the Boss - judge for yourself

Anonymous said...

Anon 4.34
Since they made Mungiki a Kikuyu affair, i would like to report tremendous ongoing success by vigilantes...we will solve our problem soon, then start preparing for the big war in 2012. we wont be caught off guard this time

Anonymous said...

Vita bado. Let me remind you that hatred breeds hatred

Anonymous said...

Gentlemen,
Since when did we become a country? Were we 'kenyans' when we burnt/ maimed/ raped/ killed those not in our tribe. I say i care less about what M7 does to me but worry more about what my neigbour will do in 2012

Anonymous said...

Just juzi Kikuyus were never going to rule kenya and there was a thing called luo presidency. Now there is a country called kenya and any tribe attacked is an attack on kenya. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? WHAT SORT OF SHIT IS THIS? WHEN WILL WE EVER LEARN? WAS PEV NOT ENOUGH? SAWA LETS CONTINUE FIGHTING

papa plus said...

Jezuz H Christ I need a shower after reading what Kenyans truly feel about one another.

Anonymous said...

Kikuyu , Luo , kikuyu Luo - kukuru kakara kukura kakara in the mean time wakamaba continue stealing - tuta washika tuwafunge na kamba.

FACTS said...

What a waste of Bandwidth !!!

Anonymous said...

Anon said
"I almost want to cry when I hear people say that Migingo is a Luo affair"
Why dont you cry since many have said so?
Better still why dont you cry about corruption, unemployment poverty, land problems etc?

Anonymous said...

Anon 5.22
hehehehe funny one

Anonymous said...

A human being said
"Thank God for MIJINJO island the one thing that unites us now as kenyans is our defiance towards Museveni"
1. The only thing that unites kenyans is tribalism
2. Please speak for yourself. I will not defy M7 if he fights the person who destroyed my business, burnt my home, maimed my friends and raped my sisters
Museveni please take Mijinjo and kill anyone who defies you

Victor said...

So if every region should solve its own problems as eloquently expressed by the many intelligent contributors above, why is the concept of MAJIMBO so hard to sell?

We are already practicing it anyway

Anonymous said...

M7 you have full support since kibaki wont act

Anonymous said...

Yes majombo is a brilliant idea. Its time some provinces started feeding themselves starting with Nyanza and all revenues collected in every province should be STRICTLY used there

Anonymous said...

Well Somalis and Kambas may starve once in a while but its okay. Maybe then we will start respecting each other

Anonymous said...

Luos will eat fish mpaka their stomachs bloat

Victor said...

Breaking News: Migingo conflict ushers in a new era of Majimbo in Kenya, thanks to the tireless joint efforts of Yoweri K. Museveni and Mwai Kibaki, Kenyans have finally accepted that Majimbo is the only way to resolve the perennial inter-tribal conflict ....

report by E Man You Well Juu Uma

Anonymous said...

But majimbo is good coz now M7 would deal with the state of nyanza

Anonymous said...

Its time for majombo. we are tired of nusu capeti and choo ya vip. Kila mtu ajenge choo chake

Anonymous said...

Well ave noticed you even change spellings on posts. Kudos KK

Anonymous said...

Majimbo effected only on the following conditions:
1. Resources of each region should be strictly used there;
2. No shared development funds. If you dont have you import or die;
3. Federal funds only for security, military and logistics. No balancing of resources. Everyone works for himself....

One Wife Man said...

Anon@4:12

relax man

take it easy

This is the new Mashada people can say what they want

cool down my friend

Victor said...

Bwa ha ha ha

What security, military? All the comments above are suggesting the exact opposite, let every region take care of its own security and military affairs.

Bring it on.

Anonymous said...

.....then maybe we will respect each other then. Until then matusi iendelee!!!

Anonymous said...

As a bantu i support m7's policies on the "northerners". this is part of the luo-bantu conflict that has been going on in east africa for hundreds of years. the baganda and banyore were stupid to allow their royal bantu blood to be contaminated by luo blood. Like m7 said there is no way a bantu can have a name like oyo, the boy king of banyore. if a luo were to become prezo of kenya our bantu brothers in Ug would suffer alot. I therefore understand why m7 has vowed that kenya will not be ruled by a "northerner".

Anonymous said...

Victor,
That is also fine... i just thot it wont be fair for NEP who have no resources to be attacked by bandits and al shabaab. But if that makes you happy basi sawa. Karibu!

Victor said...

Bwahahahaha

Ati now the Bantu Alliance or Bantu Jimbo, that was tried and flopped, and so did the KK (Kikuyu-Kalenjin) alliance.

Lets go for fully fledged Majimbo based on the current tribal boundaries. Let each Jimbo choose whom to trade and interact with, and those with "irreconcilable differences" their paths will not cross again.

Anonymous said...

FACTS: ON MUSEVENI ON THE LUO'S CURTSY OF JUKWAA.. LET ALL THE CENTRAL MOUTH PIECES READ- no wonder during the clashes the rest of the kenyans wanted to Lesotho them!!! and one wonders why!!!!!!
by reading their comments here - it about time they joined Museveni (land lock them in central)


To put into context Museveni's recent anti-Luo sentiments on BBC, his streak of history with the Luo needs to be revisited.

In this 2007 article in the Uganda Monitor Newspaper (pasted below) Museveni's ethnic chauvinism is clearly revealed. He brags that his mother's Ankole tribe was the only Bantu community in Uganda that was not conquered by the Luo expansion hundreds of years ago.

Makes one wonder whether this Museveni man is mentally losing it - basing 21st Century decisions on 9th century East African tribal migration patterns and conquests is a heck lot wierd to say the least.

Museveni was born out of wedlock to an Ankole mother and his father's ancestry is unclear (? Tutsi or Hima). He ousted a Luo president (Tito Okello) and toppled another (Blasilio Okello) that he was supposedly to share power with after. He has since waged a 23 year war of paranoia and Luo-phobia in Northern Uganda under the guise of fighting the LRA, which has largely led to outright marginalization of the Luo communities of Acholi (Acol), Langi and Alur.

Even Daily Nation's Charles Onyango Obbo's Luo-Padhola in the East are largely marginalized by Museveni. Obbo was detained, threatened, and hounded out of Uganda personally by Museveni. That explains his exile in Kenya.

It is therefore not out of character for Museveni to manifest symptoms of Luo-phobia like generalized denigratory snipping of the community through disparaging remarks.

Going back to the Monitor article below, he charges that Buganda Kings are Luo, as if that means they are afflicted by leprosy. Kwani what is the problem if Buganda Kings are Luo? Who doesn't know EA history and the obvious fact that the Buganda, Bunyoro & Toro are essentially a hybrid between Bantu and Luo? ;

Buganda kings are Luo, says Museveni

RISDEL KASASIRA & RICHARD WANAMBWA, Uganda Monitor, Kampala

PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni yesterday put the royal lineage of traditional leaders in Uganda at the forefront of his submissions to a debate on land in Munyonyo - concluding that Buganda, Bunyoro and Tooro kings are largely of Luo origin.

The President was speaking to some 600 delegates currently attending a conference on Land Conflicts and Mitigation measures in the country.

Mr Museveni talked predominantly about the current debate on land in the country that has sparked tribal emotion. At the conference, Mr Museveni chose to lecture delegates about the history of tribal settlements in East Africa, stating that the ancestry of the kings of Buganda, Bunyoro and Tooro is rooted in the Luo dynasty, before sounding a warning to those he said are inciting tribalism as the debate to amend the 1998 Land Act rages.

Mr Museveni said the Luo, who are largely settled in northern Uganda and western Kenya, governed the three kingdoms, leaving descendants behind, who today, are the current rulers.
"The kings of Bunyoro, Buganda and Tooro are Luos," said Mr Museveni.

"It's only in Ankole that we stopped the Luo expansion. How can you have a Bantu name like Oyo, like this young boy (the King of Tooro) and Olimi the king of Bunyoro?"

In further drawing a link between the king of Buganda and the Luos, Mr Museveni cited a Luganda word "Wankaaki", which means main gate, one he claims originated from the Luo.

"If you ask any Muganda that what is Wankaaki, they will tell you 'Lubiri lwa kabaka (Kabaka's palace). But we have to excuse them because they don't know history. This is a Luo word," said the President.

Delving into his favourite subject of history, Mr Museveni said the three kingdoms were conquered and ruled by the Luo from 900 to 1500 AD. His historical opinion was corroborated by Makerere University political historian Mr Mwambutsya Ndebesa.

"About 600 years ago, the Jo-bito (Luo) attacked the Chwezi dynasty and formed the Babito dynasty whose descendants are Baganda and Banyoro," said Mr Ndebesa, adding that the founder of Buganda kingdom, Kato Kimera, was a descendant of King Rukidi Mpuga of Bunyoro. He said Tooro was formed in 1830 out of Bunyoro kingdom.

In what has now come to characterise the President's speeches on the land question in the country, Mr Museveni took another swipe at Mengo, the seat of Buganda Kingdom, describing officials pushing for the return of the now obscure 9,000sq miles of land, as "opportunists. "

"I normally tune in to CBS (Buganda's radio -Central Broadcasting Service) when I have time. And you hear all this trash. They are just opportunists whose intention is only naalira wa? (What is in it for me?)," he said.

Mr Museveni took time off to remind delegates that his administration reinstated traditional and cultural institutions in the country, with the sole aim of reviving lost glory and custom, before concluding that the traditional leaders have failed "and I will oppose them because I am still here."

He described as "absolute rubbish", calls by some people who have been agitating for a north-south divide in the country, saying Uganda is a cohesive nation "and no one should talk about dividing it."

And although it would seem Mr Museveni's remarks were a direct response to recent claims by Gulu LC 5 chairman Nobert Mao that northern Uganda was willing to secede from the rest of the country due to uneven distribution of the national cake, it isn't in doubt that the current land debate in the country has driven a sharp wedge in Parliament, just as it has in the public domain.

Last week, the Coordinator of Security Services in the country, Gen. David Tinyefuza, told Parliament that the army will not hesitate to intervene in settling civil strife in the country, a proclamation that has now been understood as a warning to anyone who stokes tribal hatred over the land debate.

Already, Buganda and the central government have locked horns over the proposals which the latter believes will help curb incessant illegal evictions in the country. Mengo insists it will only legitimise land grabbing.

Commenting on the land debate, Mr Museveni said "the talk about tribalism and division is absolute nonsense and we shall oppose them."

The conference, organised by Jami Yakupatanisha, a local NGO and the Makerere University Department of Peace and Conflict Resolution, with the support of the Canadian government, presented a report on the causes of land conflicts in Uganda.

According to the report, a copy of which Daily Monitor has seen, unclear land demarcations in northern Uganda and massive evictions in central Uganda are the major causes of land conflicts in the country. The report also concluded, based on a survey carried out between October 2007 and February 2008, that the land question in the country has become a tribal issue.

"In the recent months, land has often become a tribal question fuelled by debate by special interests to 'protect tribal land'," the report reads in part. "The current rhetoric demanding that 'other' people (i.e. non-tribesmen/ women) keep off 'our' land is sowing the seeds for a continuing and growing politicised conflict."

It is an opinion that was also shared by Lands Minister Daniel Omara Atubo who concurred that the debate on land "has become emotional, sensitive and political."

The report recommends, under the customary land tenure system, that the role of elders and traditional elders on land matters be strengthened. It also calls for systematic land demarcation across the country in order to reduce conflicts, especially in northern Uganda.

Anonymous said...

Agreed Victor
Starting now kila mtu na shida zake. Mungiki for kiuks, migingo for luos, SLDF for luhyas, bandits for kalenjins, alshabaab for somalis, pirates for swahilis, hunger for kambas etc etc

Victor said...

6:26

Each Jimbo can choose regional economic and military partners even across the border, e.g Central Jimbo can call on M7 for military backing when say attacked by the Meru or Akamba, since they already have such a great relationship.

Nyanza Jimbo can call on the Kony. NEP can call on AL Shabaab in Somalia.

No need to pretend we are a nation and have a military. We are just a big joke of little tribes

Anonymous said...

Central Province should get a test of the same medicine the Kibera group has promised to give meseveni. by uprooting the railway line

All the rest of kenya has to do is to landlock them and let them eat their coffee on their farms- block all roads- and we will see who will be laughing about the Migingo island fishermen abuse at the hands of their
MUSEVENI ASSHOLE

Anonymous said...

Police top Karua’s list of threats to her life

Martha Karua has always defended the status quo and non reformers ever since 2003 - she was the one who enabled Mwai "pumbavu" Kibaki to successfully STEAL the elections of December '07 and now the chickens are coming home to roost for her.

Once she has parted ways, they are baying for her blood because they consider her a traitor and a spoiler. Run for your dear life, Martha, otherwise they will unleash the Mungikis on you.

You created the demon, the demon must now finish you. Kaput... you are history!!!

Anonymous said...

SOURCES CONFIRM : KIBAKI SOLD MIGINGO ISLAND TO MUSEVENI FOR PROTECTION OF HIS FAMILY DURING THE 27TH DECEMBER 2007 -JAN 2008

Kibaki better give back even the money he borrowed from Museveni the
thieving thug.

KENYA IS NOT FOR SELL BUT IT SEEMS THE KIKUYU'S FROM CENTRAL ARE.. WHY CAN'T MUSEVENI BUY THEM AND SETTLE THEM IN UGANDA? SINCE THEY DON'T SEEM TO STAND WITH THE REST KENYANS TO STOP MUSEVENI FROM TRYING TO TAKE OVER KENYA TERRITORY!!!

maybe kibaki already sold them to museveni and those that he didn't sell he will execute!!

Anonymous said...

when you see a tribe so better that it doesn't care whether another country invades Kenya then there is surely a major problem..

this tribe should be removed from decision making positions of kenya

KICKED OUT OF STATEHOUSE- OUT OF KENYA... HAGUE IS WAITING I HAVEN'T GIVEN UP HOPE. THE WORST IS THE SAME TRIBE ALLOWS IT'S PEOPLE TO BE HUNTED AND EXECUTED LIKE DOOOOOOGS.. POLENI SANA

YOU AND YOUR KIBAKI THIEVING THUG ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE REST OF KENYANS.. NA NIMESEMA.

Anonymous said...

When did migingo island belong to one tribe in kenya? there Luo, Luyha's Kisii's and other tribes there trying to make a living from fishing

who made it tribal?

Museveni the murderer and his counterpart kibaki the murderer

both men can sell their own mothers and children without blinking an eye

this two mpumbavu's should be frog marched to Hague to answer charges against their own citizen.

trust me they will - the way i see it let them enjoy their stolen few months.. it will happen they will pay for it .

Anonymous said...

Why do kenyan luos say obama is the first luo president in the world? Are they not proud of the presidencies of obote and the two okellos. There is also the rebel leader Joseph kony. Who is more luo: obama or obote/okellos/kony? May be kenyan luos like obama 'cause he is so light and obote/okelos/kony are so dark! ofcourse obote killed so many bagandas and kony likes seeing kids without hands.

Anonymous said...

What?

Museveni = kibaki= executioners of innocent citizen

both deserve to be hanged

Anonymous said...

No Hague Please

Museveni & Kibaki deserve worse
do them the Sadam Hussien style -

Anonymous said...

No Hague Please

Museveni & Kibaki deserve worse
do them the Sadam Hussien style -

Anonymous said...

Anon 6.36
Yada yada yada. Who cares about Uganda history? Who cares why Museveni hates you? THATS YOUR PROBLEM NOW. Please keep that trash to yourself

Anonymous said...

6:52 AM

go tell Kibaki to stop killing your kikuyu youth(see i stressed) kikuyu
since they are his tribesmen

why embarrass yourself here with your gibberish when your brothers and sisters are being slaughtered?

No wonder Kibaki sold Migingo to Museveni next he will be selling his ugly daughter Judy Kibaki to Museveni as a second wife
who museveni can deny anytime
kibaki style

Anonymous said...

anon6:57 AM
hey ofcourse i can see you don't care when Kibaki slaughters your fellow tribesmen-

KIBAKI EXECUTE MORE YOU TELL HIM WITH A WIDE SMILE AND CLAP

but we the rest of Kenya care and must act if Museveni tries to stop on our soil - being a mpumbavu like you ain't an excuse - pack and go to Uganda!

Anonymous said...

Who supports what museveni did to migingo island?

kikuyu's in central Central lesotho province

who seem to like seeing museveni the ass insult other kenyans

kikuyu's from central lesotho province

So the best way to deal with this central Kikuyu province is to lesotho them just like Museveni's Uganda, block all roads and don't allow anything in or out and see who will be laughing shenzi type!

Anonymous said...

What is common with Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania? One tribe called luo wansumbua kila mtu. In Uganda Obote/Okellos/Kony/Amin in Kenya the common thing in all regimes is luos making noise, complaining over this that like the boys they are. In Tz one called Amin sent his troops kusumbua Nyerere. One Tito Okello even went to Zanzibar to overthrow the govt there. Sasa wanasumbua M7.Museveni TOMBA WAO!

Anonymous said...

IF KIKUYU'S FEEL MIGINGO IS A LUO PROBLEM AND SUPPORT MUSEVENI THEN IT CONFIRMS THE SOURCES THAT SAY KIBAKI SOLD THE ISLAND TO MESEVENI DURING HIS VISITS TO UGANDA DURING THE CLASHES - RELAYING ON MUSEVENI'S SUPPORT - HE NEVER SAW THE COALITION COMING:)

WHY ELSE CAN DO YOU THINK MUSEVENI RAISED HIS FLAG ON KENYA SOIL AND KIBAKI NEVER SAID ANYTHING EVEN A WHISPER.

DAWA YA MOTO IN MOTTO - KENYANS WILL TEACH BOTH THUGS A LESSON

WATCH AND SEE.

Anonymous said...

ANON7:07 AM
the only think common thing the Kikuyu's have is the support of KIBAKI executing their mothers, father, sisters, brothers, uncles, aunties, cousins and friends in the name of staying in power.

I would hate to belong to such a worthless tribe since life to them is meaningless

mpumbavu sana

Anonymous said...

Anon 7.06
Show respect to the tribe that gave you independence to talk shiate here. The true conquerers of the british empire!
Everyone is fed up with you, even kaleos...did you hear them in parliament jana? 2012 we will be ready for war

Anonymous said...

so called "pnu"/kiuyus are showing you that kenya is divided . we can not only be appreciated at kenyans when you need us. If Kenya goes to war with Uganda over migingo .Museveni will use the divisions for his advantage. We can not continue pretending we are one happy nation . M7 will have many internal supporters

"When all Israel saw that the king refused to listen to them, they answered the king: "What share do we have in David, what part in Jesse's son? To your tents, O Israel! Look after your own house, O David!" So the Israelites went home".

"if a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand".

Anonymous said...

Why are you waiting for kibaki to help you? I thot he is worthless? JUST DEAL WITH M7 DIRECTLY SINCE YOU ARE SO BRAVE

Anonymous said...

anon7:15 AM

My friend we will, but after dealing with your thieving senile thug named Emilio kibaki aka executioner of innocent kenyans

yes I can see you clapping encouraging him to execute your tribesmen

but mark my words the rest of kenyans have had it.. keep watching this space.

Museveni is a piece of cake look at him do you see the other tribes in Kenya worried?? just because kibaki murdered some doesn't mean the rest won't rest until he is finished.

M-Pesa said...

By 1963 all tribes came together to eject colonials, by 1969 Kenyatta sensing increased question of his authority and dubious acquisitions created a wedge between his home base the Kikuyu against the Luo courtesy of Jaramogi who was most adamant.

By 1977 the Kiambu mafia softened to include other Kikuyu in a bid to stop executive authority from leaving the Agikuyu, this bid flopped.

From 1978 to 2002 - the new enemy for the Agikuyu were the Kalenjin who were now in position of authority

Come 2002 (exactly 40 years) - all tribes united to oust a dictatorial regime

Come 2009 (exactly 40 years later) - the fall out between Kikuyu and Luo is again in play.

Notice how the Agikuyu simply want the presidency and rulership so bad that any serious threat to their ascent to that position is immediately met by their leaders fanning tribal hatred against the challenger. Once Raila has been contained, Kambas will be the next target, and thereafter who knows

Na Nimesema

Anonymous said...

anon7:12 AM


Lack of education is not an excuse
who gave what independence? go back in history and read carefully this time. I sincerely hate dealing with fools

no wonder Kibaki slaughters your tribesmen daily while you sit back and watch. independence kitu gani -rubbish and kikuyu tribes were the thieves, murders, sell outs then ( mahihu, michuki e.t.c) slaughtered and handed over their own people to the British

AND IF I WERE YOU I WOULD EVEN TALK THE ONCE THAT FOUGHT WITH THE OTHER TRIBES TO GET KENYA BACK ARE THE SAME MAU MAU VETERANS FAMILIES "'IDP'S " WHO ARE STACK IN CAMPS AND SOME ON THE STREETS. WEWE SHENZI SANA.

kabila adui said...

FACTS
Honestly, I dont understand what you're complaining about. I conceded that you had the better, stronger, more convincing argument (including FACTS), and conceded to you. Now, even that you dont want! Enlighten me on how a win-win (whatever that means) could have so been derived from this argument? That both Raila (and son) and Uhuru are thieves (or not)?
How would the win-win have looked like? I didnt realize we were bargaining over anything, and in any case and as you enlightened me FACTS are a pragmatic truth. I'm not sure what the middle ground to that would be.

Btw--its kabila adui. stop mutilating my moniker so magnanimously handed me by the messiah.

Anonymous said...

anons and mpesa you talk of maumau as if they are not kiuks. tell me one luo who died for kenyas freedom? Raila can become the prezoo for all we care, we know you want it badly coz u think it will help u as a tribe. You talk of kenyattas bravery in dealing with amin as if he was german, yet he belonged to the tribe of worriors. Why are you waiting for kibaki to act? You didnt wait to deal with him when you uprooted railway? all we are asking is for the army to stand down since this is a tribal not national issue. Luos were insulted not kenyans

Anonymous said...

anon village idiot. Let me educate you. Kibaki is not killing mungiki. Rem they helped him during pev. The pple killing mungiki are vigilantes, ordinary folks, who have been extorted/harrassed by mungiki who are reaping where they have not sown. Since you are ignorant, let me tell you 'mungiki are used by the so called homeguards to protect status quo' they are doing exactly what they claim to be fighting. Tell me which homeguard is not linked to them? Tell me which kiuk elite they have fought? What land have they reclaimed? The reason fools like you and rao support these goons is coz they are killing kiuks not luos. We have realised this and we are taking action. please stop commenting about maumau, mungiki or homeguards coz your head is empty on these topics, even idps coz you are the cause of their existence

Anonymous said...

mungiki harrass the poor masses, the peasants they claim to be fighting for. Anon wewe ndiyo shenzi tribal baboon!

Anonymous said...

Ati Kiuks and MAU MAU fought for Kenyan independence!

Instead of spewing hate on the blog that has gone to the dogs, I suggest you walk you ass to a library pronto and read the accounts and history of Kenyan independence.

Biggest mistake RAO made just like his father was to yield the presidency to that tribe.

Mama said...

Judging from this forum, the 2007 elections and PEV was nothing. 2012 is coming, I think people need to seriously start thinking of exit strategies.

I used to think this was all happening online, shock on me, last week I was in a public forum after some ODM luhya MP died and a group of people clustered together to 'celebrate' his death, saying 'huyo ni number 5 sasa' that it served ODM right coz they sponsored PEV instead of going to petition the courts like past presidential candidates had done.

How does someone say such a thing in public? And here I thought people here just joke around. How does it profit someone when someone else dies?

Anonymous said...

@10:48 am---go ask Raila Amollo Odinga. He can help you think that through quite rationally.

UrXlnc said...

mama

its indeed very unfortunate, many of us hoped that re-integration and a more accomodating social climate could be attained by engaging in debate through forums such as this, but sadly like many other events, they have been overtaken, hijacked and upstaged by the same diabolical minds that continue to propagate ethnic hatred and segregationist activities.

what we need to do is rapidly identify alternate methods to counter this negative ethnicity or else start preparing the fortresses.

very very sad indeed.

Anonymous said...

it is laughable that someone disputes the fact that mau mau fought for independence. The fool even goes ahead and asks us to rush to a library to confirm this. If you are not an idiot, what are you? an imbicile? The village madman? If odinga took leadership of kenya it would have been ungovernable, we would have ended the ugandan route. Odinga was smart and did the right thing. I dont doubt luo contribution to the paper part in kenyas freedom. We only asked which luo died/ shed blood in liberation struggle. Yes oneko was arrested and we respect him because he opposed the odinga idolworship until death, rip. Stop your emotions, the same emotions are causing great destruction in this country such as uprooting railway for an issue that will be solved by diplomacy. Since you will not sleep/rest until you have the last say, i leave you to continue, yes to this blog that has gone to the dogs. Adeus

Sayra said...

True Mama,we need an exit strategy, but as you can see the moment u get one some will come and hijack it bila shame preaching ethnic hatred.

This politics of identity are the worst form of politics, they should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

Anonymous said...

odm mps skip kiambaa victims burial. What does that say? guilt of attending burial of your victims. They would probably cry from guilt at the function

Anonymous said...

breaking news: as you scream at each other, raila has been cleared from maize scam by mps just like they cleared uhuru from budget scam. inside sources state that a deal was struck to relieve these two children of our forefathers from corruption scams. As luo and kikuyu kym's/footsoldiers fight here, their 'leaders' are grifting them and getting away. The case of misguided anger!

james said...

The entire top odm leadership on thursday skipped the burial of victims of the arson attack on a church in the rift valley district of eldoret during the post-election violence which had been billed as a reconciliation gesture between different communities. Prime minister raila odinga, deputy prime minister musalia mudavadi, agriculture minister william ruto, odm national chairman henry kosgey and local mp peris simam, all failed to show up at the ceremony presided over by president kibaki. The arson of the eldoret church was one of the most brutal attacks of the post-election violence which followed the declaration of the 2007 presidential election.

And people wonder why we dont care about migingo or being patriotic?

Migingo Waters Dweller said...

James

The remaining part of that story goes on to explain that those people you mention were not invited or party to the arrangements and were invited as an afterthought the day before.

It further poses the question, why didnt Kibaki and these PNU stalwarts not attend the earlier burials of other communities in the area that also died, and that this gives the impression that one community was more aggrieved than another.

And by the way when you say WE DONT CARE ABOUT MIGINGO, just exactly who the FUCK is WE???????!!!!!!!

is WE, PNU, KIBAKI, KIKUYU, GOVERNMENT, VICTIMS, GRABBERS, MUNGIKI, LOOTERS, JESHI LA WAZEE, VIJANA, KAMBAS, KENYANS???!!!!!

SOMEBODY TELL ME WHO IS WE???!!!!

Migingo Water Dweller said...

AND ALSO JAMES BEFORE YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHO WE REFERS TO LETS CUT TO THE CHASE, READ THAT NATION ARTICLE AND PUT TRIBE/REPRESENTATION ON THE INDIVIDUALS,

THOSE WHO ATTENDED

KIBAKI - KIKUYU (CENTRAL PROVINCE)
SAITOTI - KIKUYU (CENTRAL PROVINCE)
SHABAAN - (COAST PROVINCE) HAS NO CHOICE ITS HER MINISTERIAL DOCKET
MURUNGI - KIKUYU (CENTRAL PROVINCE)
GITHAE - KIKUYU (CENTRAL PROVINCE)
KIUNA - KIKUYU (CENTRAL PROVINCE)
AND OTHER MPS FROM CENTRAL PROVINCE

THOSE WHO DID NOT ATTEND
RAILA - LUO
NYAGAH - KIKUYU
RUTO - KALENJIN
NGILU - KAMBA
MUDAVADI - LUHYA

ETC YOU GET THE PICTURE -

THIS WAS A FUCKING PRIVATE CENTRAL PROVINCE AFFAIR SPONSORED BY GOVERNMENT (TAXPAYERS) FUNDS

Anonymous said...

You cant win a war against a super power using stones and rungus.

Mau Mau, Maji Maji had no chance at all.

Education and intelligence liberated Kenya. The real "intelligent wariors" who succeeded to liberate Kenya came from the west....I mean West Kenya.

Civilization in Kenya will come from the west. Kenya is not yet civilized.

MIGINGO DWELLER said...

AND F.Y.I.

AM 100% KIKUYU, BORN AND LIVED IN TAMBACH AREA OF R.V ALL OF MY LIFE GREW UP AMONG PEOPLE WHO TURNED ON ME BECAUSE OF A PEOPLE I HAVE NEVER EVEN ASSOCIATED WITH. AND NOW IN SELF EXILE IN UGANDA

james said...

migingo dweller i am glad you are 100% kikuyu because when i said we i mean me and others who share my views(not tribe).

If we really care about our brothers and sisters we should no wait to be invited(especially national Leaders) some times in leadership you have to take the high road .If pnu invited them late they should have shown better judgement /high road . send someone (was everyone in odm busy even local odm official)

It is attitudes like those shown by politicians and people like you that are dividing this country . what signal do you think this sends to central Kenya. (Even if odm take over the country) those in central are still kenyans

ps I dont remember naivasha victims and other victims being burried and President kibaki refusing to attend

MIGINGO DWELLER said...

JAMES

YOU CANNOT ACCUSE ME OF HAVING AN ATTITUDE PROBLEM. THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM CENTRAL WHO HAVE NEVER LIVED ELSEWHERE WHO CLAIM TO SPEAK ON MY BEHALF YET EVERYTIME ONE OF THEM OPENS THEIR MOUTH I KNOW THAT MORE ENEMIES ARE BEING CREATED FOR ME WHERE I GREW UP AND USED TO LIVE, A PLACE I USED TO CALL HOME. EVERYDAY SOMEONE FROM CENTRAL SPEAKS I KNOW THAT MY HOPE OF GOING BACK GET LOWER.

WHY CANT THEY SHUT UP OR ELSE SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE IN CENTRAL THEY REPRESENT. WE DO NOT NEED THEIR HELP AND THEY MUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP THEIR HYPOCRACY. WE HAVE HAD MORE PROBLEMS WITH A KIBAKI PRESIDENCY THAN A MOI PRESIDNET.

WE WERE FORTUNATE TO ESCAPE BECAUSE OUR FRIENDS (THE KALES) HID US IN THEIR HOUSES AND FARMS AND WANTED TO TAKE US TO NAIROBI OR NAIVASHA OR NAKURU SO THAT WE COULD GO TO CENTRAL BUT I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO CENTRAL SO I HAVE NO IDEA EVEN WHAT I WOULD DO THERE SO WE WENT TO BUSIA THEN UGANDA.

I LEFT THE CAMP BECAUSE I AM MORE FLUENT IN KALENJIN THAN SWAHILI SO AM VIEWED WITH GREAT DISTRUST AMONG "MY OWN PEOPLE".

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE AN ATTITUDE THAT IS DIVIDING????? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT IS TO LIVE EVERYDAY IN FEAR OF BEING KILLED BY YOUR NEIGHBOUR AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT RIFT VALLEY. THOSE ONES JUST WANT US OUT

james said...

migingo dweller-Actually you dont have an attitude you have a complex. And do you have to use offensive language when you write .

ps incidentally when your kalenjin friends were hiding you.Were they hiding you from other kalenjins or Kikuyus lol)ni swali tuu maybe you should think about it as you attack central people

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:14 preach to Anon 11:08am the imbecile, MAU MAU DID NOT WIN THE WAR OF INDEPENDENCE FOR KENYA, this is a fact.

I guess anon 11:08am was reading the MZEE SAFARI version of the fight for independence, what an idiot.

As suggested by a previous poster, walk your sorry asses to a library and educate yourselves.

Mgigno Dweller said...

Mr James

Is it because I do not share your views that you say I have a complex? Why is it not you that has the complex? At the moment I am paranoid, if that is a complex so be it.

Kalenjins were hiding us from Kalenjins. Good Kalenjins were hiding us from criminal Kalenjins

Vigilante Kikuyus are hunting and killing each other with Mungiki Kikuyus (criminals) what is your point?????!!!!!

Are all Kikuyus Vigilantes, are all Kikuyus Mungiki, are all Kalenjins criminal, are all Kalenjins good. Do you have a point, Mr James????!!!

You have not lived where I lived, you are not a refuge living like a beggar in foreign land.

I am not attacking central people. I am telling them to take care of central let us who moved out take care of our affairs.

I dont know when or even if I'll get an opportunity again to use a computer it is expesnive and difficult to access, I hope all you other Kenyans remember to pray for us who still have nowhere to go. Thanks for the kind professor who has let me use his office for this past hour or so.

Anonymous said...

Anon said
"MAU MAU DID NOT WIN THE WAR OF INDEPENDENCE FOR KENYA"
Well i guess you dont know how to read
anon said "it is laughable that someone disputes the fact that mau mau FOUGHT for independence"
He/ she did not say WIN but FOUGHT
And please respond to his/her question/ statement:
"which luo died/ shed blood in liberation struggle? Yes oneko was arrested and we respect him because he opposed the odinga idolworship until death, rip"
IT IS KNOW WORLD OVER THAT THE TREE OF INDEPENDENCE WAS WATERED BY THE BLOOD OF OUR HEROES. ITS A FACT THAT MAU MAU INSPIRED MANY FROM ANTI-APARTHIED STRUGGLE TO THE BLACK MOVEMENT IN USA.

Anonymous said...

We can fight all day, Americans are doing that in Iraq, but have not won the war yet, which is the end goal, idiot.

Yes they (MAU MAU) fought and could still be fighting had the war not have been won, and MAU MAU did not win it. IT WAS WON BY THE WESTERNERS, WESTERN KENYANS, with the might of intellect and not by brute force.

I have explained it to you like a five year old, its all semantincs, pumbavu, mavi ya kuku.

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