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Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Parliament Debates Crucial Bills

15h45 Local Time - Historic Day for Kenya

Kenya parliament is currently debating historic bills. The Justice Minister had earlier moved the motion seeking to pass the Constitution of Kenya Amendment Bill 2008. The next motion will be the National Accord and Reconcilliation Bill. Both bills are aimed at legalising the peace agreement that was signed by Raila Odinga and President Kibaki on 28/Feb/2008.

President Mwai Kibaki has just arrived (nearly two hours late) in parliament and is surprisingly occupying the seat of Leader of Government Business, and has asked Raila to join him on the government side. It is significant that Kalonzo was initially forced to move to No.3 on government front benches, but is now sitting next to Mudavadi on the official opposition benches. Both Raila and Kibaki are now contentedly seating on government side and those who were at the end of that bench have now had to move to the back bench. Is he discreetly telling us that Raila is NOW leader of government business? Only time will tell.

Earlier, George Saitoti had raised tension in the house by launching a scathing attacking on some MPs who supported violence in Rift Valley, particularly where innocent people were burnt in a church in Eldoret. (I wonder why he did not mention those who were burnt to death in Naivasha or was it an attempt to campaign for the Deputy PMs seat)

All speakers have supported the Constitution of Kenya Amendment Bill 2008 and it is likely going by the mood of the house, this bills will sail without a hitch. The Kalonzos, Mutulas, Nyongos and Kajwangs of this world are singing the same song.

The speaker reminded members that the last time the Kenya constitution was amended by parliament in 1982 when the then KANU government (outlawed multi-party) and made Kenya a dejure one party state, it took ten long painful and agonising years to undo this amendment.

Update added by Chris 5:23 pm Kenyan Time
For the first time in the history of Kenya a sitting president has contributed to debate in parliament. Usually Kenyan presidents just give speeches.

President Kibaki gave his lengthy contribution in his capacity as member for Othaya shortly after that of Prime Minister designate Raila Odinga as member for Langata.

I was touched by the impact this crisis seems to have had on our president's health. I have never heard him repeating himself or rambling on and on which is exactly what happened at one juncture and seemed to cause considerable anxiety on the government front benches but fascination from the rest of the house.

The president emphasized that God must love Kenya a great deal and went on to mention God more times in this speech than in all his previous speeches (since he became president) put together. He went on to insinuate that the place where the country was going before the peace deal was reached, was really scary. His excellency Mwai Kibaki also emphasized the fact that the young people of Kenya (new generation) have no room for tribalism in the way they think or do their things. He noted that this younger generation have settled all over the world and are making a huge impact in many societies, not to mention the fact that they send money back home for development and other activities.

President Kibaki caused laughter and indeed surprise when he pointed out that all that was needed to have a new constitution in Kenya was to give the whole job to Orengo (James). He added that Hon Orengo knows all that they have been discussing in the previous failed attempts to get a new constitution and was bound to come up with a document that would be acceptable to all, the president said.

The mood in parliament was one of unanimous agreement to the bill and cordial behaviour to each other. This was only broken briefly on two occasions. Firstly when in an apparent slip of the tongue Gitobu Imanyara while contributing to debate said that the rest of Africa would always measure the standards of their election against the one that took place in Kenya. There was uproar from the ODM side and even the PNU back benches and it took several minutes for the speaker to restore order. The other time was when the mover of the motion Martha Karua stood to move the motion after debate and warned against the use of insensitive language referring to member Otieno Kajwangs referring to a "stolen election" in his remarks.

Voting is now going on and although the ayes have it, since this is a constitutional amendment bill, numbers have to be verified so that the two thirds majority required to pass the bill is attained.

Update by Chris 6:21 PM Kenyan Time

Parliament has voted to extend sitting beyond the usual 6:30 PM Meanwhile the first bill has been passed unanimously with all 200 members in the house voting for it. There were no nays and no abstentions. The Constitutional amendment bill has been passed and now awaits presidential accent to become law.

Last Update 10:05 PM Kenyan Time
The Two Bills; Constitution of Kenya Amendment Bill 2008 and the National Accord and Reconciliation Bill have sailed through parliament both receiving unanimous support from the members. The first one has already been signed into law by the President and the second one is expected to be signed later tonight.

Effectively Kenya has changed forever and it is expected that even tomorrow the president could announce his new cabinet and officially acknowledge Raila Odinga as Prime Minister since the post is now entrenched in the constitution. This is hardly the time to go to sleep. Kenyans need to be as alert as ever. This is just the beginning of the long hard road to true change in Kenya.

P.S. As if to confirm my earlier story on William Ruto, Internal security minister George Saitoti told parliament earlier today that inciters, perpetrators and financiers of post election violence will not be spared. President Kibaki while attending a passing out parade for police cadets at Kiganjo earlier in the day said exactly the same thing. It seems that a major purge is in the offing. Let us now wait and see what happens.

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54 comments:

Phil said...

16h15
ODM Leader and PM Designate takes floor after Dr. Khalwale.

Says country must undertake comprehensive reforms and slay the negative ethnicity animal.

Stresses that the two bills are only but the beginning of reforming the country.

Affirms that bills should not be used for political revenge purposes.

Urges members to refrain from looking at political identities in terms on political parties.

16h33, Kibaki takes floor after Raila as Hon Member of Othaya.

Phil said...

Kibaki begins by telling MPs that God Loves Kenya, because a shortwhile ago this country was headed to a terrible direction.

Kibaki is praying that the new found unity remains rooted in parliament and the country.

Urges country to remain united and work towards ecnomic progress and prosperity.

Anonymous said...

I know this is really "out of topic"
...Ladies & the few gentlemen who care did you see Raila Amolo Odinga wasn't he looking good?
pink tie & shirt, well cut suit..that pink striped tie! He definately looked the part!! Damn is all I can say!
And that is style:)

Phil said...

17h05

Vote counting underway.

Bill must garner support of at least 145 members of parliament to be passed.

Anonymous said...

Phil, thanks for the update. What is the issue that Mutahi Ngunyi raised and how is ODM reacting to it or safeguarding the agreement. We are tired of PNU games. We want the country to move forward, but these guys want to confine us to a dangerous past.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:54 i though it is only i who notices....Just take care some bloggers might just start throwing insults at you

Ivy

Anonymous said...

Yes, it is a new dawn for Kenya and her wonderful 42 communities. I have said it here before, Kenyans are not out to for positions politicians share but common mwananchi are crying for good government with a new constitution, equitable destribution of resouces, equal job opportunities on merit, poverty eradition and devolution of power. We are watching everything closely believing that these ladies and gentlement of the 10th parliament will deliver the wishes of Kenyans. Whether Raila is the leader of government bussiness or not does not bother me much what bothers me is the concerns of the mwanchi.

BARAKA

Phil said...

17h45

Vote counting still on-going.

Members chatting heartily on the floor of the house.

Raila, Kibaki, Mt Elgon MP Fred Kapondi engaged in animated discussion with Kimunya and Ongeri standing by their side.

Anonymous said...

This is great for Kenya but really bad news for us in PNU. This is the time we most dreaded but, haidhuru. We shall put some banana skin along ODM's way! There's nothing like a free lunch guys. Ignore Muthaura's project and those pigeon hole letters at your own peril. Bingo! Everything is going as per the script before the big ambush. ODM should never have ignored Mutahi Ngunyi.

Anonymous said...

P.s Phil,
Eugene Wamalwa & Charles Kilonzo are not NAYES, THEY WERE ORGANIZING THE NAYES SIDE OF THE VOTE. I believe that is the case, but I stand corrected!!!
Candy

Anonymous said...

i thought marende said parliamentary debates would be covered live.

are these being aired live on TV or not

Phil said...

18hoo Kenya TIme - Speaker Marender Call House To Order

Members have taken their seats and are awaiting official results to be announced.

Ayes, Nays and those who abtained will be posted here as Speaker officially anounces results on this critical voting.

Phil said...

There's live coverage from KTN and NTV. Interestingly, Citizen, K24 and even KBC are getting feeds from NTV.

Standing orders require parliamentary business end at 18h30. It is now about 20 minutes to this deadline and it may require the Speaker to make a ruling to extend today's historic session.

Vote tallying is still on going.

kalamari said...

Ha ha ha. So Kibaki has found Jesus.

Phil said...

Breaking News

Speaker officially announces

AYES - 200
NAYS - 0
Abtain - NIL

Total votes cast 200

What a sweet victory for Democracy

Phil said...

18h17

Speaker now orders house sitting to be extended beyond 18h30 hours until completion of business of the two bills.

Anonymous said...

How come only 200? Ama some MPs didn't attend the session?

mrembo said...

good job, phil and chris...oh! this is nice.....200 ayes!!.....where are the other 15+ mps though?

by the way, i didn't know kibaki had a sense of humour!! i see agwambo is already teaching him a few things, however i dont think they should hang-out together all the time!!

and yes.... anonymous 6.54.....we always care what agwambo shines in!! i think in luo circles they call it 'nyadhi' the man is surely doing wonders for the fashion industry. thank you for the update.

Chicity said...

Phil,

Thanks for the updates. I am at work just getting my day started, have been very edgy but I can now get back to my stack of contracts. Great day for Kenya! Now next step, regional, gender balance in the entire government and REFORMS!

Kenya is moving forward and folks are still talking about "putting banana peels in ODM's path". I hate to quote lyrics but from the hit song Jesus Walks "y'all need Jesus"!! If the events of the last 2.5 months aren't glaring affirmation that things have changed than I don't know what is.

Peace to ALL Kenyans.

Anonymous said...

Ditto Mrembo - I'm a luo fashionista but educate me on this new word - "nyadhi". Hopefully NTV will have a clip and I can check it out later. Hehehehehe.

Have a great day!

Anonymous said...

Kumekucha!! your article on Ruto was uncalled for!!
we readers also expect an article from you in headline post on
the team that ordered the nakuru and naivasha mungiki killings!! the standard and nation carried the story and even to how much money the mungiki guys were promised per head!!

so why Ruto's name ??? where is the proof PNU has given you?? please don't post here garbage or tales from them ati they are still collecting proof!! that is bull-shit and for you to even write such an article about Ruto without any documented proof shows us that you are doing a PNU agenda here to discredit ODM MP'S ESPECIALLY RUTO!!

ON THAT NOTE WE EXPECT TO POT THE SAME QUESTION ON HERE REGARDING THE NAKURU AND NAIVASHA GENOCIDE AND WE EXPECT TO SEE MARTHA KARUA, MICHUKI, SAITOTI, UHURU. NJENGA, KARUME WHO HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BY THE MUNGIKI GANG BEHIND CAMERA!!

IF YOU ARE GOING TO DIRTY NAMES THEN LET IT BE ON BOTH SIDES OR ELES PROOF US WRONG THAT INDEED YOU ARE NOT A PNU MOLE/SPY/ MEMBER/ LIKE PEOPLE ON MASHADA AND OTHER BLOGS HAVE BEEN SAYING??

GENOCIDE HAPPENED IN NAKURU AND NAIVASHA!! TALK ABOUT IT ON HERE KUMEKUCHA!!!!!

Chicity said...

Chris - mucho gracias to you as well. Forgot to thank you in my earlier posting.

Anonymous said...

oops!!!!!! kumekucha?? have you become a PNU mouth piece?? what type of article was that on Ruto? if they have prove let them show it?? please do not write speculative articles on here tarnishing Ruto's name!!

genocide is serious!! look at nakuru and naivasha?????

Kenyan Son said...

Inform people Kumekucha. You are doing the best job to those who cannot painfully access slow sarcastic KBC online. This is raw news right from the chambers of hell in the parliament.

Keep it up Phil!

Thanks a lot.

Anonymous said...

mrembo

there were 208 MPs total elected

2 deceased
not sure if Marende was to cast a vote likely not so thats 205

so it would appear 5 MPs were not in the house, or if Marende cast his vote, then we have 6 MPs absconding duty already.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is great for Kenya but really bad news for us in PNU. This is the time we most dreaded but, haidhuru.

do you always read doom in everything?? i think it is about time you move3d with the times!!
both kibaki and Raila ain't foolish they have come to realize they need each other for the country to move on!!

by the way kumekucha^^^^^^what was that article on Ruto? which PNU member gave you that?? let Ruto be - even Karua tried that on national media blaming Ruto-
be careful on the information you post here!! it might come to haunt you!!
so what about the NAKURU AND NAIVASHA GENOCIDE?? KUMEKUCHA DID YOU NOT READ THE PAPERS?? OR YOU WANT TO TURN THE OTHER WAY AND CONTINUE YOUR WITCH HUNT FOR RUTO DIRECT TO YOU BY YOUR PNU BUDDIES??

YOU POST HERE EXACTLY WHO GAVE THE ORDER FOR THE BOTH NAKURU AND NAIVASHA GENOCIDE- I'M SURE YOU PNU BUDDIES WILL TELL YOU^^^^

Anonymous said...

GOOD NEWS FROM PARLIAMENT LET SEE WHO IS ON THE LIST OF MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT= I THINK WE ARE IN FOR SURPRISES!!

KUMEKUCHA?? WHERE IS THE STORY ON THE STATEHOUSE MEETING BETWEEN MUNGIKI AND PNU??? SINCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE RUTO HERE WITH NO PROOF??

Phil said...

19h05

Amendment on the National Accord bill has been passed unanimously.

Debate on the bill is on going.

Anonymous said...

Phil, can you pls clarify the amendment that has been made to the National Accord Bill

Anonymous said...

ARTICLE ON RUTO- WE ARE ON GROUND ODMERS??? WHICH PNU MEMBER GAVE YOU THAT INFORMATION ABOUT TENSION IN ODMM ??? ABOUT RUTO?? WAOOW!! WE CELEBRATE RUTO AND WE IN ODM KNOW WITHOUT DOUBT THAT RUTO WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE RIFT VALLEY SAGA!!

WE HAVE PROVE TOO!! HINT!! MOI AND KIBAKI WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DEAL WAS?? ASK GIDEON AND THE LOT WHO'S YOUNG MEN WERE SEND CAUSE UNREST IN ELDORET?? TO DISCREDIT RUTO AFTER WHAT HE DID TO MOI?? (all his sons locked out)

KUMEKUCHA YOU ARE SO WAY OFF- DO YOU THINK WITHOUT BEING SURE AND HAVING ENOUGH PROOF WE WOULD HAVE WRITTEN TO THE HAGUE INTERNATIONAL COURT??

ELDORET=MOI= GIDEON= PNU TO PUT BLAME ON RUTO!! PEOPLE WHO WERE APPROACHED HAVE ALREADY GIVEN STATEMENTS EVEN PROOF OF MONEY AND DATES PAID!! SOME STILL HAD THE NEW BILLS!!

KEEP BEING MIS- INFORMED BY YOUR PNU SOURCES - I SAW ANOTHER ARTICLE HERE ON MT. ELGON -PICTURES PICKED FROM I DON'T KNOW WHERE AND A STORIES THAT COME FROM PNU MOUTH PIECE ON ON THE GROUND IT IS EXACTLY A DIFFERENT STORY- IF I WERE YOU KUMEKUCHA!! I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL AND THE INFORMATION I GET FROM YOUR SOURCES ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PROVE OR FACTS TO BACK YOUR ARTICLES HERE!!!!
PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT WHAT KUMEKUCHA IS ABOUT-
WHAT IF WE REMOVED YOUR MASK AND PUT YOUR FACE ON ALL THE PAPERS DISCREDITING YOU??
IT CAN BE DONE TOO! SO LET'S RESPECT THIS SPACE YOUR BLOG AS A PLACE EVERYONE CAN COME AND READ AND EXCHANGE VIEWS - NO ARTICLES THAT HAVE NO FACTS-

EXAMPLES - I HAVE NOT SEEN YOU WRITE ABOUT THE MUNGIKI MPS WHO ARE NOW IN PARLIAMENT?? WHY??
ARE YOU A KIKUYU WHO SUPPORTS THEM OR ARE YOU AFRAID OF THEM??

WHICH IS WHICH??? KABONDO WA KABONDA IS A MUNGIKI MEMBERS EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT ?? HOW ABOUT NJENGA??
LET AS BE REAL HERE!!

Anonymous said...

hey kumekucha? i posted some statement on Ruto?? you keep posting news on happening in parliament?? why are you not posting our threads??
or the truth hurts?? are you a pnu operative?? or just out to destroy odm members of parliament??

Phil said...

20h15

The President has signed the Constitution of Kenya Amendment Bill 2008 into LAW.

President Kibaki is reportedly said to be within parliament precincts awaiting completion of debate on the National Accord and reconcilliation bill 2008 which has elicited hot debate from both sides of the house. Kibaki intends to sign this bill into law tonight and possibly name his new cabinet tomorrow.

What a day for KENYA!

Anonymous said...

You Kenyans never learn.

Kibaki will not sign the bill that was passed.He will sign a bill but not the one that was passed.

Watch this space

Anonymous said...

10:31...KEEP DREAMING:):)

Anonymous said...

Anon at 10:31 AM.

I’m either sick and confused or you are. What are you saying? Is Kibaki going to sign your bill or the one they are discussing in the parliament? Are you still lost in the mediation/negotiation room? If you cannot define a bill, please don’t post anything here.

mrembo said...

anonymous 8.54 'luo fashionista' hehehe!!....i think 'nyadhi' means a trend-setter, someone with style, an elegant person-i got the word from some set book i read many years ago for my O-levels but you have to agree with me where baba fidel's wardrobe is concerned, words cannot do him justice!!

9.06.....can you believe the nerve of those people?.....no shame at all!! even today they couldn't pretend and show up!! there are 222 mps in that chamber and only six constituencies are unrepresented (3 didn't have representatives from the beginning-kilgoris kamukunji and wajir north, then add to this emuhaya, embakasi and ainamoi) where were the rest?

i have to ask though, kwani nominated mps are not allowed to vote? i was under the impression that they do!.....these ayes dont reflect their presence in parliament....whatever the case, nobody's going to cheat me that 15 mps were all out of the country for official duties!!

phil and chris please investigate who these delinquents are.......and my member of parliament better not be among the missing!!!

what a shame!!

Anonymous said...

The cabinet list will soon be released.

the mafia has refused to give up the powerful ministries apart from Roads.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Mrembo re: "Nyadhi" definition :-)))

I also agree that we need to know the names of all the MPs who abdicated their duty to their constituents and the Republic.

11:54AM - let's just wait for the Cabinet appointments, shall we?

Anonymous said...

ladies and gentlemen. I'm one of those who have fought to do away with the Kikuyu hegemony. I was just about to say aye to this deal, but if the agenda is to finish Ruto, I will go back to the trenches. Nobody, and i repeat nobody will touch my man Ruto during my lifetime. NOBODY!

Anonymous said...

PNU may make threats but they will think twice b4 they act.Let us not forget the admissions by Mungiki that they had meetings in STATE HOUSE with top goverment (GEMA)officials before and after the elections on how they were to unleash terror and mayhem.

Kibaki himself is implicated in the organisation and funding of mungiki. PNU knows that all their kikuyu kingpins were involved right from the top.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7279149.stm

The story has been hushed.But there is evidence in the pubilc domain that mungiki were absolved into the National Youth Service(where they were to be trained and armed)in their thousands, on instruction from the house on the hill.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200803031218.html

Not forgetting ofcourse that the Human Rights Watch report says that they have gathered evidence that:

"PNU [Party of National Unity] mobilisers and local businessmen called meetings, raised funds, and directed youth in their attacks on non-Kikuyus and their homes,"

http://hrw.org/reports/2008/kenya0308/8.htm#_Toc193008579

PUNU knows there is concrete evidence that can force their own heads to roll; all they need to do is touch that topic.

Anonymous said...

To Anon at 8:05 A.M
Here is what Mutahi Ngunyi said earlier:
THIS IS A LETTER TO MPs. AS you begin debating the two ‘‘peace’’ Bills tomorrow, consider some thoughts.

For starters, the important thing in the peace deal is not the letter of the agreement; it is the spirit. Which is why you should not dismiss the ‘‘Muthaura project’’ and the leaflet circulated in Parliament on Wednesday last week.

In the spirit of the ‘‘peace deal’’, you must remember that this was never a struggle between a right and a wrong. It was a struggle between two rights. The ‘‘Muthaura forces’’ are right, although they are sheepish about their claims.

Similarly, and fundamentally too, ODM is right! And this is why you must not be rushed. In fact, you have no choice but to amend the National Accord and Reconciliation Bill. Reasons?

First I want to address ODM legislators. Good people, you are being cheated. My hunch is that PNU will support the Accord, and botch the amendment entrenching it in the Constitution. Not because the ‘‘Muthaura forces’’ are sneaky, but because the Accord is untenable in its present formulation.

If you pass the Accord before the constitutional amendment, nothing could stop the President appointing the grand coalition Cabinet the following day. And the country would break into a party.

IN THIS MOOD OF BLIND CELEBRAtion, the Constitutional Amendment Bill would be put to the vote. At this point, the ‘‘Muthaura forces’’ would ensure it does not garner the two-thirds majority.

In fact, instead of the 148 MPs required to pass a constitutional amendment, they would raise something like 145 MPs. The other MPs will either be absent or will abstain from voting. And with this, PNU will have won. They will have created the position of Prime Minister through an Act of Parliament as opposed to a constitutional amendment.

Would you blame President Kibaki for this? The answer is a resounding No! This would be blamed on the renegade MPs from PNU.

In the meantime, you would be in government with Mr Raila Odinga as Prime Minister. Would you abandon your positions and return the country to violence because the power deal was not constitutionalised? Maybe not. But if you accept the deal through an Act of Parliament, you would be cooked! Let me explain why.

If you accept the deal using the Act, PNU can decide to withdraw from the coalition at some point. This would annul the Act, disband the position of prime minister, and send all your ministers packing.

But can PNU do this? Definitely. If the country returns to normalcy and the bandit forces in the Rift Valley and Mt Elgon are neutralised, PNU can gamble on this. More so if the coalition government is problematic. And this is why you must accept nothing short of a constitutional amendment. In fact, you must insist on amending the Constitution first and enacting the National Accord and Reconciliation Bill later. Otherwise, you will be at the mercy of PNU.

Now I want to flip the argument and argue that a constitutional amendment is fatal for PNU legislators.

First, I must disagree with you regarding the creation of two centres of power. I submit that you will be the biggest beneficiaries of the position of prime minister in future. When Mr Odinga is president with 50 per cent executive powers, Ms Karua can be premier enjoying 50 per cent powers. And when Ms Karua is president, Mr William Ruto can be premier.

At any given moment, you can either occupy the position of president or prime minister with 50 per cent powers. Why would you fight such an arrangement unless you are myopic?

Second, if you plan to sabotage the Constitutional Amendment Bill, you would have a point. PNU has the numbers, but can never control Parliament. This is why, with 4.5 million votes, Mr Kibaki could only manage 45 MPs, plus some 20 or so from the fringe parties.

With 4.3 million votes, ODM had over 90 straight MPs. What does this tell us? If the prime minister is to be chosen by Parliament, PNU would stand no chance in future. This is so because some of our constituencies have as many as 100,000 voters, while others have as few as 4,000. Yet the two extremes produce one MP. And if it takes more voters to elect a PNU MP, than an ODM MP, ODM would occupy the PM position forever.

In other words, you must not rush the constitutional amendments. If you entrench this position in the Constitution, you must also go for proportionate representation in which your number of MPs is increased to match your population size. The two must be mutually exclusive and constitutionalised. Short of this, you could lose both the presidency and the premier position to ODM in future.

NOW, IF A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDment is bad for PNU and the National Accord and Reconciliation Act is bad for ODM, what must you do?

This takes me back to my original submission: you have to amend the Accord. You have to introduce Section 9 to the Act or amend Sections 6 or 8. The amendment should state clearly that, in the event one coalition member pulls out and the Act is annulled, we should go for fresh elections.

This would secure ODM’s 50 per cent power-sharing deal and provide PNU enough time to think through the constitutional implications of a PM position.

Otherwise if the Accord is passed and the constitutional amendment fails, ODM will be the loser. And if both the Accord and the Constitutional Amendments are passed, PNU will lose big. What do you think?

Mr Ngunyi is a political scientist with The Consulting House, a policy and security innovation think-tank working in the Great Lakes Region and West Africa.
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Now it seems you were either blind or did not read this piece carefully. If this is what you are referring to then ODM carried the day. Mutahi Ngunyi said ODM should not agree for the Accord to be amended first before the Constitution amendment bill, but actually the reverse happened and the Const. was amended first so.......pumbafu wewe. Washa ushiga.
My only worry is that in the event that ODM in the future garners more MPs and ofcourse win the presidency then it will keep both the PM post and the presidency. That as sweet as it may sound to me, but not so for peace and stability in Kenya. A clause should be introduced/ought to have been introduced to the contrary.

Rhyymemaster.

More importantly we need to rethink the whole thing when amending the constitution.

Anonymous said...

@10.31
I totally agree with you. Kibaki and the Mt Kenya people can never be trusted.

Kibaki might sign something quite different from what was discussed.

Anonymous said...

Ryhemaster, before Mutahi Ngunyi wrote that thing, did the hated DEROO/DERELICT/DEREK write the same here and Taabu called him arrogant. Only Kimi Raikonen rose to defend and support him.

Why do you think PNU guiys are happy. Kazi itaendela and their skin is well protected.

Mt Kenya region wil reign forever. Others will follow us and who says BEGGARS ARE NOT CHOOSERS. ODM are real Beggars

Njoroge Stanley, the EARL of Kabeteshire in Kkikuyu, currently working and studying at Nevada State University. MP-elect for KIkuyu in 2012.

Daniel Waweru said...

It’s great news that the bills have been passed, although I must agree with Ms. Karua that they’re not of the highest legal quality. Incidentally, the President has already given his assent.

Things are thick for Ruto. Too many people have died in front of the cameras for the Rift valley violence to be ignored, as it was in 1992-2002. Second, the investigations this time began even as the violence was in progress. Since the early days, international investigators and the press have been involved – it is clearer now than it was in the past just who did what. Amazingly, militia leaders have been willing to give their names to journalists (e.g. Cheserek, Kibor. Actually, Kibor is a good example of the continuity of the violence, since he was involved in the clashes of the 90’s: he was sixth on the Akiwumi Commission's list of recommended prosecutions). Third, unlike previous rounds of ethnic cleansing in the Rift, the state was not involved in the planning, logistics, execution, or cover-up; that makes it much harder to hide events. The lorries, for example, which were used to transport the assailants and their supplies are well-known, as are their owners. Since the state wasn’t involved, the militias have had to rely directly on locals, which means the violence was intimate, and therefore even more horrific, but it also means that the perpetrators are often known to the victims. This has been enormously helpful for gathering evidence. It is usually a mistake to kill large numbers of people in plain sight without state backing.

The circumstantial evidence, alone, that Ruto was involved is quite good: his admission of incitement in the HRW report, the admission by HRW's Kalenjin interviewees - both junior and senior - that Ruto had control of the violence on page 42 of the report, that Kibor openly organised the violence in Ruto's constituency; all these point one way. There is direct evidence too - the police have told some foreign journalists that they have enough evidence to arraign him on a murder charge. One way or the other, the days of impunity are definitely over

Chicity said...

Each of the lives lost was equally valuable. I have no problem with perpetrators, financiers being charged but it's got to be even handed. If they are going to charge Ruto then they should haul Karume, Uhuru, Saitoti et al into the same Courts. We can't have any of that selective justice that's being promised. Saitoti or Kibaki & Co. cannot be the arbiters of just conduct when they engage in the proscribed activity they seek to punish. Either charge Mungiki members and their warlords as well or let everyone walk.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

To Anon at 8:05 A.M
Here is what Mutahi Ngunyi said earlier:
THIS IS A LETTER TO MPs. AS you begin debating the two ‘‘peace’’ Bills tomorrow, consider some thoughts.


can you believe this pnu guys on here - go back again and look at the power-sharing deal and the agreement between the odm and pnu- none of then can rule- if pnu steps out of the coalition then the elections must be called immediately if either party steps out- and believe me kibaki does not want another election even under the old constitution!! hands down he will be out of his presidency!!

so again wacheni propaganda yenyu - like kibaki said orengo was no fool when he put that clause in!!both odm and pnu can not afford not to work together- but in this coalition Kibaki would be the loser if he worked away!!nobody or let me just be bland - no kenyan this time except from central province will ever vote kibaki back in! he is stack with Raila as Prime Minster and i believe with his age - kibaki is smart enough to want to make sure he is remembered too for bring back kenya to glory-
so no coalition- the 10th parliament must be disbanded and elections called immediately that is the agreement in place right now!!


Daniel Waweru said...

It’s great news that the bills have been passed, although I must agree with Ms. Karua that they’re not of the highest legal

you can agree with Martha all you want but the fact remains just like kibaki mentioned inn parliament orenga can right the constitution of kenya blind folded-
now do you wonder why???

the coalition government will stay in place because if either party decides to step down then the 10th parliament must be dissolved as per the act in place and elections called immediately- do you see kibaki wanting that to happen?? nope!!he will note be voted back in by kenyans this time he would be out completely- so what does he do?? he wants the constitution written in the shortest time possible (he said this in parliament today) not for it to take 12 months- this way he is safe actually - his position and thus he will actually be able to retire in peace - i don't see him standing for another election - he has told many people this!! so you see it is in his benefit to make the coalition work.
so pnu is not more powerful than odm at any given time!! try to get your facts straight instead of showing of on here and using Martha karua's arrogance- very misplaced

Anonymous said...

Chicity, i couldn't agree with you more....If Ruto will be arraignd in court then in the same dock we must see Uhuru & Company not forgetting Kibaki who hosted people who were planning violence against the luo tribe in Naivasha....Daniel Waweru whatever you have against Ruto is hearsay...Nothing much ...so if you think it can funga Ruto take it to the police station hata nyinyi...Life was lost in Eldoret and precious life too was lost in Naivasha not forgetting may lives were lost in Kisumu...The ones who sanctioned shoot to kill order..pia hao...Ndani....Huyu kijana Ruto leave him alone...once you finish your gossips the better...Na kazi ianze

Anonymous said...

Daniel Waweru, if they had enough evidence against Kibor, why did they give him bail?

Anonymous said...

Daniel Waweru said...

It’s great news that the bills have been passed, although I must agree with Ms. Karua that they’re not of the highest legal quality. Incidentally, the President has already given his assent.

don't bore us with your RUTO PROPAGANDA IF YOU HAVE FACTS NOT REPORTS WRITTEN BY PNU OPERATIVES- THEN POST THEM HERE ON RUTO INSTEAD OF BEING A MOUTH PIECE OF PNU!!

YOU SEE FACTS ARE!!
MAINA KIAI- HAS ON MUNGIKI GANG MEMBERS BEING REACTIVATE TO GO KILL PEOPLE IN KIBERA- NAKURU AND NAIVASHA - THOSE ARE FACTS!!!
FACTS ARE THEY BEHEADED MORE THAN 20 INNOCENT KENYANS AND THE REST WERE HACKED TO DEATH SOME BURNED IN THEIR HOUSES - WHOLE FAMILIES!!

FACTS ARE THE MEETING TOOK PLACE BETWEEN MUNGIKI AND PNU MPS'S THIS MAINA KIAI HAS AND INDEPENDENT JOURNALISTS AND MEDIA HOUSES LIKE BBC GOT THE PROOF- FROM A MUNGIKI MEMBER? WHY THEY GIVE THIS INFORMATION- MY GUESS IS LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM FURTHER EXECUTIONS BY THE GOVERNMENT OR SHOULD I SAY BEING BLAMED BACKHANDEDLY WHEN IN FACT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT WHO SENT THEM IN TO COMMIT THE GENOCIDE BOTH IN NAKURU AND NAIVASHA!!


YOU SEE DANIAL WAWERU IF YOU HAVE A TAPE OR VIDEO THAT SHOWS RUTO GIVING THOSE ORDERS DO POST IT HERE AND SHARE OR ELSE DO NOT POST HERE THEORIES BY PNU!!THIS STARTED RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING WITH THE MEMO PNU SEND OUT TO ALL KIKUYU'S PNU MEMBERS HERE AND IN THE DIASPORA TO KEEP REPEATING THAT GENOCIDE IN ELDORET WAS CAUSED BY RUTO - MOST OF US READ THAT MEMO LONG BEFORE THE SONG BECOME TOO LOUD TO IGNORE AND THAT IS WHY WHEN MARTHA KARU TRIED TO INSIST TO KOFFI ANNAN FOR RUTO TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE MEDIATION TEAM- IT DID NOT WORK- THAT PNU BLACK BOOK APPEARED AND IT WAS SHOWN TO HER! SHE WAS ASKED FOR PROOF !!SHE HAD NOTHING-
MEANWHILE ODM STARTED COLLECTING PROOF AND GUESS WHAT?? IT IS IN GOOD HANDS NOW AND IT WILL BE OUT SOON!!
YOU CAN REPEAT THE SAME SONG AND LIES ALL YOU WANT BUT IT WIILL NOT GET YOU ANYWAHERE DANAIL WAWERU!! YOU SEE KENAYNS ARE NOT STUPID AND PNU HAS BEEN CAUGHT IN MANY PLACES WITH PANTS DOWN- GENOCIDE THEY PAID FOR MUNGIKI GANG TO CAUSE.

THEN THERE ARE THOSE NONE KIKUYU'S WHO WERE IN CENTRAL PROVINCE?? WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY WENT DANIEL WAWERU ? HORROR STORIES TRICKLED OUT SOME ONLY GOD CAN SAY- BEHEADED KENYANS- SOME HEADS WERE USED FOR ROAD BLOCK BY MUNGIKI?? HAVE YOU HAD OF THIS YET WAWERU?? HOW ABOUT SOME ALREADY BURIED IN MASS GRAVES WAWERU?? BOSNIA STYLE??
WHERE ARE ALL THOSE LUO'S- LUYHA'S -KISII- KALEO'S WHO WERE WORKING IN CENTRAL PROVINCE? WHEN PNU REFUSED TO GIVE THEM TRANSPORT LIKE THE RIFT VALLEY KIKUYU'S WERE GETTING?? WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WERE DOING TO THEM??
REMEMBER NOT ALL KIKUYU'A ARE MUNGIKI'S SOME OF THEM ARE CHRISTIANS AND WHAT THEY SAW THEY COULD NOT LIVE WITH AND THEY COME FORWARD TO REPORT AND EVEN MARKED WHERE SOME OF THE BODIES WERE DUMPED- HOPEFULLY THE KIKUYU'S IN CENTRAL WILL ALLOW THE RELATIVES TO GO PICK THEM UP FOR BURIAL-
SO I ASK AGAIN HOW FORGIVING SHOULD THE REST OF KENYANS BE??
YOU KIKUYU'S WHO CRY ONLY OF ELDORET WHEN YOU UNLEASHED YOUR MUNGIKI GANG ALL OVER ON INNOCENT KENYANS TOO-
PLEASE DON'T ABUSE PEOPLES INTELLIGENT HERE ON KUMEKUCHA- BY THE WAY MY HUSBAND IS A KIKUYU FROM KIAMBU AND EVEN NOW HE HAS TEARS IN HIS EYES WHEN WE LOOK BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED TO BOTH OUR TRIBES - I'M A LUO - I REPEAT DO NOT ABUSE KENYANS -BY WHAT YOU DEEM YOU KNOW- WITH WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN AND TRIED TO ANALYZE ABOUT RUTO IT BULL-SHIT - GO TELL PNU TO LOOK AT THEIR OWN GENOCIDE AND START WITH THE PEOPLE ON TOP!!

KUMEKUCHA PLEASE POST THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE DANIEL DO NOT UNDERSTAND FACTS ARE THE ONLY TRUTH THAT KENYANS WANT TO HERE - WE ARE TIRED OF THE PNU BLACK DOCUMENT THAT STATED
1. CHANT ABOUT RUTO AND GENOCIDE IN EVERY SENTENCE YOU MAKE AND PEOPLE WILL START BELIEVING YOU- DOESN'T HE KNOW WE ALSO HAVE KIKUYU HUSBAND THAT RECEIVED THE SAME DOCUMENT TO PASS ON?? TO OTHERS?? DOESN'T HE KNOW THAT ALL PNU OPERATIVES WERE TOLD TO USE THE BLOG EVERY DAY TO PASS ON THE SAME LIES?? MANY OF OUR KIKUYU EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBERS DISAGREED AND REFUSED TO BE USED WITH SUCH PROPAGANDA??
WAWERU GO PEDDLE YOUR LIES ELSE WHERE - SINCERELY KENYANS ARE TIRED OF PNU LIES LIES LIES?? IT IS INDEED LIKE A BROKEN RECORD NOW!!WHETHER YOU REPEAT AND TRY TO SHOW REPORTS WRITTEN BY PNU (police is pnu) Kenyans will not believe you-!!

Anonymous said...

LET WAWERU BE IN HIS DREAM LAND:):)
PLEASE GO CHECK ALL THE OTHER BLOGS IF IS LIKE A SONG ON RUTO - ACTUALLY IT IS A VERY PLANNED CAMPAIGN GO TO MASHADA -JUKWAA-KENYAN ENTREPRENEUR E.T.C THEY ALL HAVE A VICIOUS ATTACKS ON RUTO - I'M NOT SURPRISED IT HAS NOW EXTENDED ON KUMEKUCHA-
I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THIS CAMPAIGN FORWARD IN PNU WANTED RUTO TO BE REMOVED IN ANY POSITION OF POWER BUT THEY HAVE FAILED MISERABLE TO THE EXTENDED THEY HAVE THREATENED HIM DEATH- BUT THAT WILL BE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE PNU WOULD EVER DO!!YES THEY GOT AWAY WITH MP WERE AND TOO AND MAYBE THEY THINK THEY CAN STRIKE AGAIN-



AND BELIEVE ME IT IS ON DAILY - IN FACT RUTO GOOD FOR HIM THEY HAVE MADE HIM SO FAMOUS - JUST TRY GOOGLING RUTO!! BUT THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED RUTO HAS VERY MANY KENYANS FROM ALL TRIBES DEFENDING HIM AND ASKING PNU TO PROVIDE PROOF WHILE AT THE SAME TIME POINTING OUT WHAT KIBAKI DID -FOR EXAMPLE THE SHOOT TO KILL ORDER THAT THE POLICE USED TO KILL MANY KENYANS( AND THEY POST ALL THE VIDEOS AND PICTURES WITH ALL THIS BLOGS - THEN THERE IS THE MUNGIKI AND THE GENOCIDE IN NAKURU AND NAIVAHSA- GUESS WHAT HAS HAPPENED??
YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS- KIABKI -MARTHA KARUA- WAKINA UHURU ARE ALL OVER GOOGLE SHOWN AS THE MURDERER'S - I SWEAR I HAVE FRIEDS IN AUSTRALIA WHO ASKED ME HOW WE CAN ALLOW A PRESIDENT TO STAY IN POWER WHO TOLD THE POLCE TO KILL ALL THOSE PEOPLE -I MEAN PNU ARE NOT DOING KIABKI A FAVOUR BY ATTACKING RUTO - INFACT THE WHOLE WORLD OVER NOW KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID AND WHAT MUNGIKI GANG DID AND WHO SEND THEM?? AS FOR RUTO- NOTHING SHOW'S WAS INVOLVED ANYWHERE -

I UNDERSTAND EVEN KOFFI ANNAN AND THE EUROPEAN UNION ASKED PNU FOR THE PROOF AND THEY HAD NOTHING - NOT FORGETTING -I HEAR THERE WAS A MEMO GOING AROUND WHICH WAS WRITTEN BY PNU- I BELIEVE TELLING THEIR MEMBERS TO SAY THAT THE ELDORET GENOCIDE WAS CAUSED BY RUTO!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?? THIS IS INSANE!!!

Anonymous said...

hey kumekucha i understand some mps' voted against?? the bills?? is it true and if so who?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have an idea when the cabinet will be called? and what happens now does kibaki dissolve parliament before the new coalition parliament gets started??

as for all this ruto saga let be!actually only a foolish person would go that route- let people start working for the best interest of Kenyans it is about time they earned their keep!!we pay them they should all get out and work!!

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:36.....Enyewe tumechoka na udaku

Ivy

mrembo said...

you people amaze me i have to say....ati ruto did what? did you hear him inciting anyone? let someone come out and clearly tell us what ruto said in fact dont tell us run to the police station with your evidence. anyway good luck with that.

as for kibor,.....well i pray with all the yapping people doing in blogs you all succeed in prosecuting him....

the one thing i know is that nobody's going to take kibor anywhere.....as far as i know....i haven't heard of any kenyan courts that takes taped recordings from anyone not unless you want to create a new precedent!! those things for one are subject to serious manipulation and are considered inadmissible, ama you were thinking of taking him to american courts? hehehehe!!

the state knows very well they have no case against him...they can frustrate him.... yes!!....but they cant really do much else. the law is an ass for a reason people....all these guys will walk scott free nanyinyi wakosa kazi...you will still be writing about it here!!

a kalenjin friend of mine tells me that the kibor bbc tape has a lot of mis-translations in it.....and that kibor was simply expressing his frustrations about the kikuyu hegemony just like the rest of us kenyans....whether that is true or not.... is not for me to say....i dont know kalee.......however,like i said i wish you all the luck in the world in prosecuting him successfully!!

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