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Tuesday, June 23, 2009

KPC Scandal: Kiraitu’s Clean, Media Keep Off


Just how many political bullets must one body stop? Even before the Triton oil wave hit the shores, rivals are scheming to chop Kiraitu Murungi’s political head. Add to political nightmare the Imenti South MP faced less than 1000 days ago following Githongo’s onslaught and you understand why he dolls his lips into all shapes and forms.

KPL bosses even had the audacity to cheat their on Minister last year to request President Kibaki to commission an incomplete project in Mombasa. The Harvard graduate is not naïve and called the media bluff by reminding them that if he is corrupt then they should wait to see him get state accommodation at Kamiti.

And what is the main deal Standard newspaper is yapping about? If the project was designed to increase by purchase two pumps with 880 metres cubed/per hour capacity, what is the fuss if lower capacity 440 cubic meters pumps can deliver? Simple maths, it amounts to saving on number by half in addition to magnifying the original cost from Sh2.6b to just under 10b.

Malicious professors
The media must spare Kiraitu flack and disembark from the bandwagon hell bent on derailing his bright political future. They better know that the government is COMPETENTLY represented in KPL board meetings by the able minds of Solicitor General Wanjuki Muchemi and Energy Permanent Secretary Mr Patrick.

Nowhre ealse can you get more qualified representation than the President's own personal lawyer. The media are better informed that the Solicitor only graduated with a PASS because of malice from envious professors but that is a story for another day. And educationists will disabuse you of pegging performance on mere papers.

Kiraitu is on the right side of history, in right company and headed for bigger things. Not even Githongo’s juvenile enthusiasm to please his masters could extinguish him. He is the author of the MUD in politics and must know better. What is more, he has admitted what the Standard reported albeit with denial in the details. Couldn’t ask for a more forthright politician within our shores, or can you?

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Not even Githongo’s juvenile enthusiasm to please his masters could extinguish him."

Interesting!
Mbut some key worndz are missing: FRAUnD, nDECEPTION, IMPUNeiThee.

Anonymous said...

ndecepchon.

Anonymous said...

KIRAITU MUNGIKI MURUNGI

Ati this man is clean Pooh! He is brilliant! Yes! Potential president! No! Clean!! Never!!

Anonymous said...

MINISTER'S INVESTIGATIONS AT KPC

Kiraitu has set up investigations at the KPC to rule out theft and corruption at the said state parastatal.Good!

But Kenyans who long lost faith in the their police are wondering how the same GEMA police are going to investigate themselves against a GEMA minister. Is it possible?

Anonymous said...

Kenya needs arevolution like yesterday.

Anonymous said...

Yes you can be corrupt everyday, ask the police and NCC askaris

Anonymous said...

read the book 'its our time to eat'
its all documented by Githongo

Anonymous said...

what is he still doing in govt
what after anglo leasing?????
thief

Anonymous said...

Anglo Leasing

Philip said...

This to me was not news and will never be news.

However what I've always been wondering is "what is the role of KACC?". This is because Standard newspaper and Mars group have become more effective than KACC.

I'll therefore recommend that KACC be expelled from it's duties, and further to that the government, together with civil societies and media society, start a commission that will also have a website for which anybody can report acts of corruption, and the commission be given mandate to investigate these reports without getting a warrant/permission from Police.

We are reaching a point where nearly all the government 'leaders' are becoming corrupt, once this happens then there will be nobody to fight corruption in Kenya apart from media and Mars group.

It's our time to join hands and fight against our leaders if we want a prosperous Kenya for us and future generation in Kenya, instead of using that energy to mug and kill innocent wananchi, or to destroy and steal property and justify it with poverty and hunger.

It's our time to say no to what we see our leaders doing and not wait for civil societies to do that for ourselves. If this is what Kiraitu does then we need to demonstrate and ask for his resignation/suspension so that investigations can be carried out without interference.

I'll be back.

M-Pesa said...

Kiraitu was once in that club known as Young Turks that gave dictator Moi sleepless nights when Kenya was being raped in the 90's. He was also once a human rights lawyer championing a democratic Kenya free from corruption, tribalism blah blah...

So what happened to an extent he has become Kenya's face (EPITOME) of corruption? You will never read any article or watch any news item regarding corruption without seeing Bwana Kiraitu's face popping up. He's always denying this and that or just heard on the phone telling graft busters to "ngo slow!"

In a few short years in government, Kiraitu has become an overnight billionaire although he refuses to explain where his immense wealth comes from which makes him one of the richest men in Kenya.

In his energy docket, he's obviously surrounded by Gema cronies who turn a blind eye when things go hay-wire. But in case the stupid media exposes them, well just call fellow tribesman Ringera in KACC who happens to be from his backyard. Kubaff nyinyi...mta do?

No one can beat him when it comes to expensive stripped Saville Row suits or golden Presidential Rolex watches from London's exclusive Bond Street. Good for you if you can afford them despite starving constituents. But for heaven's sake, stop pretending that you don't know it's our turn to eat. You can go to the courts and sue if you want. Our fellow Gema, Justice Gicheru will leave no stones unturned. And that's a promise...my son.....!

Anonymous said...

Some Cabinet ministers in Central Province support the outlawed Mungiki gang.

These ministers back Mungiki activities hoping they would get political support in return.

Leaders in the affected regions have refused to speak out against these groups as some hope to get votes from them.

These central province leaders had failed to speak out against the brutal and savage killings and other crimes perpetrated by Mungiki adherents.

The silence on the side of the central province leaders had made the gang stronger and confident in wrecking violence and chaos in central province and the central province diaspora in Kenya.

Central people: Kikulacho Ki Nguoni Mwako.

Anonymous said...

Sad, bad truly speaking almost all Kenyans are corrupt.To proof my point you will never see millions of people protesting against theft of public resources when such mega scandals are brought to light. A nation living in the Gospel of prosperity is a doomed nation ,lets face it Kenyans.

Anonymous said...

Sad, bad truly speaking almost all Kenyans are corrupt.To proof my point you will never see millions of people protesting against theft of public resources when such mega scandals are brought to light. A nation living in the Gospel of prosperity is a doomed nation ,lets face it Kenyans.

luke said...

I chose to judge this man by the number of electricity poles he puts up across the country

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:22 AM

You said (and my comments are in italics):

I have just pieced together what i have seen and have gone ahead to make projections.

Your projections are wrong. You conclude erroneously, for one, that Kalenjins will blindly follow Ruto and gang into UDM. These Kalenjins are not as thick as you think they are, I should now, I am one of them. They will study you and pick you apart to find out what you are really all about. If we rejected Moi and his stupid call for us to elect Kibaki in 2007, Who is Ruto for us to follow blindly?

We will look at all the candidates for the next election and go for the best. After all, it is not necessarily someone from your tribe who will make your life better. Just look at central province, the whole top security apparatus in Kenya is dominated by people from central and the president is also from there but look at what is happening there. It is the most insecure province in Kenya, and not because it has been invaded but because what is going on there is akin to a civil war - Kikuyu decapitating fellow Kikuyu amongst other brutal and savage things they are doing to one another.

We also know that the Mau complex mess to a great degree was caused by Moi - my fellow kalenjin - who in a bid to buy support illegally allocated large tracts of land to to the Kalenjin who is who during his time..... and that is one of the major reasons we are having major problem with water in Kenya today. Our rivers and lakes (go visit lake Naivasha and Nakuru to see for yourself)are drying up and rainfall has greatly reduced.... to cut a long story short, what I am saying is that we will not just support someone just because he or she is from my/our tribe. That is a foolish way of doing things


This is something that many of you Africans dont understand and I hope you'll start cultivating as a basis for planning. I also wish that you'd stop being ruled by your emotions. As Thomas Hobbes said: "Passions unguided are of the most part mere madness."

Absolutely no emotions or passions are involved here. I am just calling a spade a spade (and not a big spoon).

Please withdraw the red card. I am undeserving.

The red card still stands. Infact I am awarding you another one. You now have 2 red cards.

papa plus said...

A leopard doesn't change its spots.

This is more evidence of a need to amend the constitution (?) or stop this habit of giving MPs ministerial posts. They are clueless eejits! Sign here, walk there, smile, shake hands, exit stage left - puppets!

The PS should be in charge of the ministry and (s)he should be of good character and relevant knowledge in the fields and a stand up among his/her peers in the profession and be vetted by a select parliamentary committee.

Anonymous said...

Kiraitu is the face of corruption in Kenya.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the guy is corrupt! Think the media is against him. If he was that corrupt why can't kibaki sack him? Any reason(s)

On a second thought, i think Kiraitu is the agent of corruption in Kenya. He is eating with first family. He is the Kipyator of Kibaki.

Anonymous said...

Hahahahaha

Thats a good one Anon 10:09

You say If he was that corrupt why can't kibaki sack him? Any reason(s)

So when did kibaki sacking anyone for corruption become a yardstick

Hahahaha, kibaki doesn't even step out of State House when the country burns and only comes out when peace has been restored

Anonymous said...

Kenya's problem with corruption started with its first leader, a Kikuyu called Johnston Kamau Jomo Kenyatta, followed years later by another thieving type called Kibaki (Moi was a by-product of his godfather Jomo Kenyatta).

Anonymous said...

Raila has been lately an effective spokesman for thugs in Kenya, and now gangsters attack his aide. I guess as they say: There is no honour among thugs.

Anonymous said...

Kisumu has become a permanent magnet for cholera. Why?

Anonymous said...

I said here once that KENYA IS NOT A GREAT COUNTRY. We are just a country with many idiots. You wake up everyday and find on the roads, in schools, churches, at work, in the streets fools and idiots who are a replica of the political leadership. A country full of small people who have nothing to show, a country with few traces of greatness in a few exeptional people. We are great only when you compare us with Uganda, somalia, Tz, Ethiopia and the other loosers. A people who have refused to take calculated risks, postponed making hard sacrifices and refused to learn.
I HATE KENYA

Anonymous said...

I HATE KENYA, I HATE KENYA, I HATE KENYA, I HATE KENYA, I HATE KENYA, I HATE KENYA

80% OF KENYANS WAKE UP TO JUST LOOK FOR FOOD;
WE HAVE NO WATER IN NAIROBI, YET ISRAEL, EVEN TZ, HAS WATER THROUGHOUT;
WE CONTINUE TO PLUNDER FORESTS DESPITE OBVIOUS DECLINE IN FOOD AND WATER;
WE HAVE CORRUPTION EVERYWHERE FROM THE POOREST TO RICHEST;
KENYANS ALWAYS LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO BLAME, THE OTHER TRIBE DID THIS AND THAT....;
IN KENYA EVERYONE IS A MJUAJI AND YET WE KNOW AND DO NOTHING;
THATS WHY I HATE THIS BLOODY COUNTRY. I HATE KENYA WITH A PASSION!

Anonymous said...

A USELESS MILITARY WHO ARE JUST GOOD IN MARCHING DURING PARADES, MOST OF THESE IDIOTS GOT Ds IN SCHOOL. I HOPE KENYA ATTACKS SOMALIA SO THAT WE EXPOSE OUR WEAKNESSES IE A USELESS COUNTRY FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ONLY HALUCINATE AND DREAM OF GREATNESS

Anonymous said...

The high profile family with the highest concentration of corrupt members is the Ondinga's. From land, to maize, to oil corrupt deals; what is next?

Anonymous said...

After winning a few athletic races, doing well in rugby, sijui cricket, winning one damn soccer match against a loser at home NOW KENYA THINKS THEY ARE A GREAT COUNTRY? WHAT IS GREAT ABOUT THIS COUNTRY? A COUNTRY WHERE 99% WAKE UP TO LOOK FOR JUST FOOD FOR THE DAY? PELEKENI UJINGA YENU BACK INTO YOU BEHINDS WHERE IT BELONGS

Anonymous said...

KENYA SHOULD BE RECOLONISED AND ITS PEOPLE MADE SLAVES UNTIL WE TRULY LEARN

Anonymous said...

Anon i agree. I have now pledged allegiance to myself. I will strive to change myself, improve my well being (without hurting others). I also hate ALL the tribes and what they represent ie tribalism, i hate corruption that is eating this country. I feel jack for this nation.

Anonymous said...

There is really nothing like kenya, a useless flag, a country of nonperformers who wake up to do trash. we deserve the carjackings, kidnappings, rapes, murders, lack of water, lack of food, idiots in leadership, high prices, dirty environment,poor roads, clogged sewers, poor sanitation...generally we just deserve to be poor, lets enjoy it

Anonymous said...

True true, a country where its okay for foreingers to screw our young boys, wazungu to shoot our men and get a slap on the wrist. Just try ro do these things anywhere in Europe.
I also hate this nation

Anonymous said...

If you havent noticed, all the so called great things are just achievements of individuals or a band of individuals eg the nobel price by wangari, the athletes, rugby players etc just individuals doing their best. As a nation/ govt nothing happens, idiots wake up to do nothing then earn a pay.....

Anonymous said...

Kiraitu looks like a Luo in this photo. He could be a Luo masquerading as a Meru.

Mwambu The Great said...

From its very inception Kenya was and has remained an IN-DEPENDENT country. To the best of my knowledge, none of the rulers since in-dependence (we have not had leaders) have shown no inclination for intellectual curiosity or the penchant to delve into the realm of ideas.

In other words, I place Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki in the category of small rulers.

Anonymous said...

All you anons complaining about Kenya you should feel ashamed. We are the only country that complains about ourselves as a nation.

What happened to a sense of nationhood? Is your sense of patriotism determined by the people who govern you? You sit there and complain, and do nothing yourself to change things, only expecting others to pick up the burden because Kenya is a useless place (according to one of you).

First of all yes, we have alot of problems, but its not as if those problems cannot be reduced. Secondly, no matter what you should be proud of your country, because ultimately the people who govern us are there to serve us as well as lead us so they shouldnt change your views of Kenya.

Thirdly, a useless flag? Did you fight for independence? Did you see your rights systematically taken away in a brutal fashion? Many of the Kenyans today do not understand the lengths taken to acquire self rule, that is why they can utter such words as useless flag.

I think you guys are what is wrong with Kenya, the sooner you change your views the better. Otherwise, I suggest you proceed to Somalia, where you are more than welcome to enjoy yourself, since we are such a bad nation. You cheapen and belittle the work done by Kenyans, many who are not even in the government, you dont understand the Kenyan psyche, and thats why you can talk like that.

Anonymous said...

Where do we get losers like 2:47AM from?

FYI, if Kenya is not a nation, then how can we develop your imbecilic 'sense of nationhood'? Add to that, why should patriotism be important in a country that treats its citizens like pieces of takataka. Just because you live in Kenya does not automatically mean you should be or feel patriotic.

What patriotism are you proud of:

1. Kibaki stealing an election.

2. Anglo Leasing

3. Kiraitu and Triton

4. Mungikis hacking vigilantes

5. Vigilantes hacking Mungikis

6. 3 million Kenyans starving

Is that your definition of patriotism, you oaf !?!

Anonymous said...

Dear ODMites,

Thug Raila anakula nusu mkate peke yake. His son ate your maize; his brother Oburu is at the Treasury; and his sister is enroute to Los Ageles to be a Consul General. Sasa ninyi wajinga, iko wapi haki yenu?!

Anonymous said...

So what if Raila eats? He is eating on our behalf just as Kibaki is eating for you. I am ready to die anytime to protect Raila's right to eat -- do you have any more questions you Mt Kenya fools?

Anonymous said...

Mt Kenya mongrels, stop this foolish irrational obsession with "Raira."

Kwani you have nothing better to do with your times. There are a lot of Brutal, savage - the DECAPITATIONS e.t.c - and terrible things going on in central province, the Mungiki/vigilante chaos, that should keep you mongrels occupied

You are wasting your times. You are also inadvertently planting seeds of upumbavu that will later on come back in future to haunt and scare the living daylights out of your panua minds.

Anonymous said...

all these anons saying Kenya is useless must be university of Nairobi students please go back to class and finish your homework you are the only ones who stone your future employers that's why you think Kenya is useless

Anonymous said...

The small rulers rule small people. Indeed people in this country are truly stupid. The way they think and reason! In europe and North america even people who have not been to uni are quite smart. I travel a lot and I know what am talking about. Holding an intelligent conversation with a kenyan is very difficult. Did you see those "grown ups" in kajiado who stripped a man and a woman naked and had them march on the road with the crowd cheering? Or the people who plunge themselves into a fuel bomb just to get a 5 litre jerican of fuel? Yes this is a country of fools. And I hate their xtian religion, which they use as a front to make you believe they are morally upright. And am a kenyan, born and bred here.

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:06 AM,

Go a bit easy on the hatred for Kenya. I have the same feelings as you have but mine are directed at the Kenyans - the people, not the country. The people are the problem.

You also said:

"And I hate their xtian religion, which they use as a front to make you believe they are morally upright. And am a kenyan, born and bred here"

To some extent I agree with you. On my part it is not the christian religion that I have a problem with, it it is the people (The Kalonzo "Msaliti" Musyoka and Daniel "Kleptocrat" arap Moi types) Who use it as a front to make other people to believe that they are morally upright. These are the massive hypocrites who soil that name of the christian religion just as Al quaeda terrorists soil the name of the muslim religion.

Anonymous said...

Owe unto you who hates xtians ,-see end time revelations

Anonymous said...

I hate this useless sick city,Nairobi, and Kenya in general full of carjackers, kidnappers, fools, imbeciles,fraudsters,theives beggers etc with no food, water, sanitation. I WISH POOR HEALTH FOR EMK, RAO, SKM, UK, MM AND ALL THEIR SYCOPHANTS, FAMILY MEMBERS FLEECING US AND CROP OF PATHETIC IDIOTS WHO CONTINUE PROPPING THEM. I WISH THEY DIDNT WAKE UP OR WOULD TAKE A PLANE AND PLUNGE INTO THE OCEAN. I HATE THIS COUNTRY

Anonymous said...

Anon i also hate this counry and its leaders. Like mutahi ngunyi i wish them a personal pysical affliction/ loss that will make them suffer REAL pain so they feel how we are feeling. Am SICK of this country

Anonymous said...

Kenya has always consoled adn compared itself with its useless pathetic neigbours like somalia, Tz, Ug, Sudan, Ethiopia etc forgetting these are failed states at the bottom of corruption and poverty index, its like comparing yourself with a cripple. Nchi ya watu bure kabisa

Anonymous said...

Anon 6.03 i concur, Since Kibaki and Raila dont feel the poverty, inflation, loss, suffering of kenyans, i join you in wishing them personal affliction so the feel true pain; maybe it will help, though they wont die of hunger, they will at least feel some excruciating pain that will make them wake up

Ken said...

Kiraitu is corrupt... Period.

Kibaki and his minders are tribalists... Period.

Now, let us focus on Raila and his relatives being appointed to high offices seeing as he is being portrayed as Kenya's saviour.

Kumekucha, let us have a thread about the latest appointment of Rails's sister.. ama you only do selective posts on Kumekucha?

Anonymous said...

Prime Minister Raila Odinga’s sister, Dr Wenwa Akinyi, has been appointed Consulate General in Kenyan mission in Los Angeles, US.

The Consulate General in Los Angeles, Ms Nyambura Kamau, has been recalled to Nairobi. Dr. Akinyi is a lecturer at the department of Chemistry, University of Nairobi. Kenyan Ambassador to the US is still Peter Rateng. Sources claim that Hon Raila had applied alot of pressure to have Rateng replaced with his sister. However, President Kibaki resisted this, stating that Rateng has been proffessional in his duties. Hon Raila therefore settled for the consulate post.

Anonymous said...

Now the PM himself has managed to secure his own sister a diplomatic position and yet she has no diplomatic experience. The move is a by-pass of those in the foreign affairs with the diplomatic qualifications. We are not saying this is bad. We are only asking, what does a lecturer in chemistry have in common with diplomats? Now we understand that employing relatives will never stop in Kenya and it is better that it becomes accepted

Anonymous said...

Anon 3.00am instead of insulting me offer constructive criticisms or apply what you have said about me to yourself.

I think you and people who go on with their hatred for Kenya are incredibly ungrateful. Even from a realist perspective, it is pretty clear that Kenya and Kenyans cannot be defined by an inefficient government.

I for one do not and will never say I hate Kenya because I dont believe we are defined by some of the rot that exists among us. Yes, we have serious problems, but I do believe that we can begin to reduce some of them.

We need to alter Kenyan psyche, where people think it is ok to trade insults, you do not hear Iranians screaming that they hate Iran, their message was heard loud and clear that they want freedom and democracy.

So many of us take for granted our strength to push for change, despite many of us being well informed citizens. If you think that it is ok to hate Kenya then you are just demonstrating a total ignorance of what it means to be a Kenyan.

If we all let a corrupt, inefficient governance system define us, we would probably be in even a worse situation than we've got now.

Anonymous said...

What patriotism are you proud of:

1. Kibaki stealing an election.

2. Anglo Leasing

3. Kiraitu and Triton

4. Mungikis hacking vigilantes

5. Vigilantes hacking Mungikis

6. 3 million Kenyans starving

Is that your definition of patriotism, you oaf !?!


As I said this does not define my patriotism, I love my country, I love my home, and everywhere I go, I make no secret of it, and if I am an oaf so be it.

Anonymous said...

anon if you are proud of saying you come from the capital of tribalism, poverty and nonsense then thats you. There is nothing for me to be proud of there, its time we stop this second rate mentality of 'its fine, we are better than somalia' this is the reason we will just remain the same.

Anonymous said...

anon 7.24 since you are so patriotic tell us what it means to be kenyan. What identifies us? Is it the geographic region? Eg during pev, kiuks fleeing riftvalley and nyanza were denied by luhyas but accomodated by ugandans, some are still refugees there to date, kiuks in naivasha burnt their luo neigbours, inspected vehicles and spared foreigners but attacked certain tribes, if you call elections today we will vote the same tribal lines. So tell us, what does it mean to be kenyan? What is patriotism? is it fighting countries like somalia?

Anonymous said...

Anon 9.05am? Why do you need an identification to be a Kenyan? Must it be something tangible? DO you define yourself by the rot that surrounds you?

If we have to be philosophical, is identity tangible? Is you sense of belonging defined by material things? If it was then it would be plain and simple, I hate the people in Kenya who lead us, therefore I hate the system, therefore I hate Kenya.

You look at Iran for example, they are fighting for democracy, because those than can, that have the voice are doing it on behalf of the voiceless, and the world has responded. They didnt say I hate Iran, in Kenya we can be incredibly ungrateful especially the people who are not starving, or in abject poverty.

At the end of the day, what you say reflects your capacity to catalyse change. If you hate something, you usually want it as far away from you as possible. Hate is a strong word, which is being used carelessly.

Patriotism to me if I have to look at it in terms of something tangible is when Kenyans can come together during a crisis or when they want change. For example during the 2002 elections, the agenda was united, to change the regime, yes we still have problems, but we changed a government that had been there for more than 20 years, in 1992 when many Kenyans campaigned for a multiparty democracy, those are moments that make me patriotic, because I know if it were not for some efforts to keep even a little sanity in a sea of madness in Kenya, I may have been in a far worse situation.

I dont define my patriotism by those atrocities because I never ever supported them. You and any anon saying that you hate Kenya is basically justifying why Kenyans who are actually trying to change something should stop, because people will not rally behind them.

After following Kumekucha for sometime, I have realised that people like you guys are the very reason why we cannot get anywhere, because you think it is a waste of time to change something. Its time for some constructive talk, saying I hate Kenya wont write a constitution, or tackle poverty, or build trade, or instill pride. It only damages an already damaged Kenya, I hate Kenya will not put food on someone's table neither will it provide jobs or health or good leaders.

When you change your mindset then you can have goals, otherwise you are telling many of us that we are stupid for trying to change something.

Anonymous said...

And it may be a heavily tribalist state but what is tribalism anyway? An artificial construct used in administration before Kenya's independence, and it is perpetuated at certain periods to fulfill certain interests.

Infact if you look at it, we are all tribalist in some way because we identify with particular groups, so that diversity should be celebrated and incorporated into governance. This can be done constitutionally; protecting the interests of all these groups; but we also have common interests in that we share one territory, one economy, some "peculiar habits" as Michael Joseph said hehehe, so that should be the agenda; to push the nationalistic agenda more, but acknowledge the diversity and need for equal representation.

As informed Kenyans it would be foolish of us to think that because we are proud of our backgrounds and roots that we cannot live in some form of harmony, it took Europe 600 years to sort itself out, wars and feuds between groups have existed since time began, the difference is that everyone is somewhat exhausted with continuously fighting and is trying to find a common ground.

We dont have time to fight, we just dont have it, so people should get down to understanding what drives hatred in Kenya and start thinking of ways to deal with it.

Taabu said...

@Anons,
Interesting and INFORMED debate you folks are engaged in. Please acquire monikers so that we can address some e-face. Your points are too good to be lost in the anon debris. Over to you good people who can agree to disagree.

Anonymous said...

anon, you ignorantly mention iran. Iran and kenya are totally two different nations. While unemployment is 10% in iran, 90% of kenyans wake up to look for food, what sort of patriotism would you ask of them. So what is patriotism? Love for your country? How can you love someone feel jack for you? You can waste your time writing long stories but unless you are ignorant or stupid, you will realise that 99% of kenyans dont give a hoot about that word

Anonymous said...

Anon, even recently some good section of kenyans supported M7 on migingo simply because he attacked a certain community. we are not even a 'country' when under external aggression. i can even bet that in case of a war with somalia a number of somalis will side with al shabaab. Kenyans are tired of being kenyan. AND YES EVERY COUNTRY OF SUBSTANCE HAS AN IDENTITY THAT BINDS THE PEOPLE, A CULTURE ABOVE TRIBES EG TZ CULTIVATED A CULTURE OF UNDUGU. On tribalism, i ask you to read chinua achebes 'the trouble with nigeria' then it will open your eyes. I repeat, i hate kenya and all it stands for, i would not shed even a drop of sweat for it.

Anonymous said...

i ask kenyans to forget this country. Every individual should work hard in what they do for their benefit and that of their families to alleviate poverty at their levels, without harming others. If everyone does this, we will all improve collectively. The brand of politics in this nation makes change from the top and its hangover, patriotism, difficult to effect in this polarised country

Anonymous said...

Why are the loudmouths and railway uprooters not talking about the Migingo "thing" anymore? Or are they busy dying of cholera?

Anonymous said...

I just think that if you hate Kenya it is your wasted energy, some of us dont have the time to spend hating, we want things done, and the ball to get rolling. If you analyse all the middle developed countries such as the Asian Tigers, it took them nearly 20 years, and a civil war or dictatorship to get to where they are.

We seem to be the only one's at the moment, who dont grasp how dangerous it is to allow negative feelings to keep resurfacing, without addressing them.

Its like constantly being poked with hot needles, when the person should be soothing your wounds instead.

At the end of the day when people say they hate Kenya and all that it stands for, they fail to take into account all the work done at grassroots, and by individuals to preserve some sanity. They undermine all that work, and they do a disservice to those people who cant feed themselves, or go to school, or have the chance just to lead a normal life. If you cant be that voice for them then how can you expect change when you are the most likely to be able to push for change?

Kenyans went to the polls and elected all those people, or at least half of them anyway. Im not comparing Iran to Kenya from an economic perspective, it is purely ideological, purely from a democratic perspective, and what Iranians believe is the way to fight for democratic rights.

In Kenya, some people felt it was ok to use violence against innocent people because they belong to certain groups and have certain identities. As Kenyans we can be very ungrateful for the things that bind us together. We also forget that our vote determined the type of leadership we got, whether it was good or bad.

I know it sounds optimistic, and to some unrealistic, but we at least share the common goal that a) we want good leadership b) good governance and c) a new constitution.

The last process was hijacked by too many interested parties at the expense of the mwananchi. This time the aim should be to simplify the process, infact maybe even have a series of referendums on each issue, with civic societies and other organisations endorsing or cueing the side they support.

Im sorry but even the most developed countries in the world have very dissatisfied citizens, but they clearly distinguish between their hate for their government and governance and their sense of nationalism. T

Even in Afghanistan, you will be surprised at how many people love their nation, they may hate everything happening in it but they are Afghani and proud.

All im saying is that we cannot afford to hate, we cant afford to wait for change and if we want that change it starts with us individually; that is what you see in Iran, despite the outcome, their point was made, and people heard, the same way during our election violence, thousands of Kenyans, journalists, activists, diaspora and people who love Kenya brought the situation to the attention of the world.

Mwambu The Great said...

It seems to me that while there are those like 7:24 AM who consider criticism of Kibaki's corrupt regime to be unpatriotic, the real truth is quite the contrary.

Why, for instance, should Kenyans be grateful to a senile septuganarian whose inner circle is so steeped in corruption to the extent that it simply oozes off their veins. Should our patriotism as Kenyans be defined by the number of times we genuflect to Kibaki and his corrupt minions?

Next you ignorantly state that 'I don't believe we are defined by the rot that exists among us'. Well, it seems pretty self explanatory, if you ask me.

Lastly, you make the point that 'you do not hear Iranians screaming that they hate Iran'. Well, how would you know? Have you been monitoring Iranians and their blogs as you try to gauge the extent and depth of their patriotism?

It could also be that one of the reasons why Iranians are not 'screaming' their hatred for Iran is because of the fact that they really genuinely love Iran. I would suggest that those Iranians who choose to scream hatred for their government have as much right to their opinions and patriotism as those that are pro-Ahmedinajad. Such is democracy.

Dissent is actually the highest form of patriotism.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2.57 I disagree, because there is a great difference between dissent and patriotism, puting them in the same boat is like saying being in support of change is undemocratic.

Please do not put words in my mouth. Did you see anywhere me mentioning my support of anyone in that government? No, but I dont think it is right to say that you hate Kenya, because then you dont understand what it is to be a Kenyan.

Yes I have followed the Iranian situation more than you would believe anyway and I can tell you there is a very big difference between the way they express their dissent and the way we express ours.

I dont condone impunity and corruption, neither am I partisan, especially in Kenya, because there is no one right now that is showing any capability of doing anything. If I wanted not to be involved, I would sit on the sidelines and watch all these comments coming up.

But for a long time on KK, all we see is hate, tribalism, insults, in a forum which should have more informed debates. I stand by my point that when you say you hate Kenya, you are saying you hate everything in it, including the people and things who are trying to make things better, slowly but surely.

It is not right, and will never be right, Iranians love their country, despite what is going on. I love my country, irrespective of the rot, it will never define me never ever ever. So that is why im patriotic, because I dont let it sway the fundamental principles of what it is to be Kenyan.

Ive taken into account the reasons why people would hate Kenya, but I am not convinced that because Kenya has alot of problems, that in response I should hate it. No.

Mwambu The Great said...

It seems to me, 4:03 AM, that you are trying to make the case that we should love Kenya simply because it is the land of our birth.

I, personally, am not even sure that there is any country on this planet earth that I could ever love or hate. Love and hate as it pertains to a country are mere emotions if you ask me, and I do not think it particularly useful that a country, any country, should be an object of love, particularly when that country is morally corrupt.

Anonymous said...

No I am not and if thats how its coming across then sorry. No, I am making the point that we should love Kenya enough to have an interest in being part of the democratic process.

I see where you are coming from and agree somewhat, because the point I was trying to make is that there must be a distinction between feelings about people and society and the political and governance process in Kenya.

Too often this is blurred and while its not a very clear distinction you can still separate your hate and apply it accordingly. At the end of the day many people are working hard in Kenya esp at a grassroots level and through many groups. I really feel that when you say you hate Kenya you cheapen and belittle the work they do, and for many of us on this blog, we are the one's who can change things, because we are informed citizens.

I and I am sure many others dont define ourselves by the type of governance we have. Fundamentally, every individual can determine what they think it means to be Kenyan.

I can even quantify what I feel for Kenya anyway, but most importantly I think its that sense of duty, to try do something, before I complain. many times I am so angry with how things are, but if we dont try to at least be constructive in our criticism what do we expect then?

People, if we cannot even be positive yet many of us can be the drivers for change, how do you expect the more voiceless people to change anything? Our mentality must change, slowly but surely.

Mwambu The Great said...

Now you and I seem to be reading from the same script particularly as it relates to furthering the democratic process. That, I think, is of utmost importance if we want to create a society that is inclusive across ethnicity, gender, socio-economic class, etc.

Anonymous said...

Exactly Mwambu, so if people want that change they do have to at least like Kenya enough to do something about the problems we face.

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