Koffi Annan has officially suspended mediation talks. The charade that has been fashioned as mediation between PNU and ODM has forced Kofi Annan to officially suspend the talks. Livid Annan could not stand the deception any more and has called the mediators bluff.
To avert immediate OUTRAGE, Annan has promised to seek direct and personal support of the chief protagonists in Kibaki and Raila. That is akin to hanging HOPE by a bare thread. Mediation talks officially dead. Back to square one. So here we are folks staring abyss and a boiling brimstone behind us. Behind Anna's DIPLOSPEAK hides a smouldering mortar. When it explodes is a matter of time and not if. Tic tok tic tok.........
Statement on Kenya Political Solution
ReplyDeleteSecretary Condoleezza Rice
Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
February 26, 2008
The United States is a strong friend and partner of Kenya. Since the outset of the electoral crisis, we have urged a political solution acceptable to the Kenyan people. The crescendo of peaceful voices continues to mount from a broad range of civil society organizations, churches, and directly from the Kenyan people on the need for a political solution. I join my voice to that of the Kenyan people.
Former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and the eminent persons have been engaged in intensive efforts to help the parties achieve a solution. I strongly support those efforts. Last week President Kibaki and the Honorable Raila Odinga assured me of their commitment to work out a structure for the real sharing of power to govern the country. While some progress has been made, I am disappointed by the failure of leadership necessary to resolve all the remaining issues. There can be no excuse for further delay. There can also be no excuse for violence, and those responsible must be held accountable.
Last week I conveyed to both sides the commitment of President Bush and the United States Government to support a political solution and to provide the additional assistance that Kenyans' will need to rebuild, to reconcile, and to carry out institutional reforms.
I want to emphasize that the future of our relationship with both sides and their legitimacy hinges on their cooperation to achieve this political solution. In that regard, we are exploring a wide range of possible actions. We will draw our own conclusions about who is responsible for lack of progress and take necessary steps. We will also exert leadership with the United Nations, the African Union, the European Union, and others to ensure that the political solution the Kenyan people deserve is achieved.
2008/138
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2008/02/101291.htm
US Warns Kibaki
ReplyDelete"I want to emphasise that the future of our relationship with both sides and their legitimacy hinges on their cooperation to achieve this political solution."
She added: "In that regard, we are exploring a wide range of possible actions. We will draw our own conclusions about who is responsible for lack of progress and take necessary steps.
"We will also exert leadership with the United Nations, the African Union, the European Union, and others to ensure that the political solution the Kenyan people deserve is achieved."
US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Today
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Dr. Rice's message in plain English:
"I want to emphasise that the future of our relationship with KIBAKI and HIS legitimacy hinges on HIS cooperation to achieve this political solution."
She added: "In that regard, we are exploring a wide range of possible actions. We will draw our own conclusions about KIBAKI'S INTRANSIGENCE and take necessary steps.
"We will also exert leadership with the United Nations, the African Union, the European Union, and others to ensure that the political solution the Kenyan people deserve is achieved." (read KENYANS WILL GET JUSTICE Kibaki apende asipende!)
http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgnews.asp?categoryid=1
Chris. You are very right. For Kibaki's government to survive outside of a coalition/transitional arrangement, he must slash the legs of every dissenter. He must in fact detain or force to exile all the prominent ODM politicians and anti-establishment human rights crusaders. This he must do in a very fast and precise manner. That such devious plots are in the offing at State House is a forgone conclusion. Kibaki has drank from the rusty chalice of death and so far he loves it. You see, the idiot has ordered the police to shoot and kill demonstrators for democracy, but that has not deterred most. He has killed opposition MPs but that has not deterred most. He has curtailed the freedom of press but that has not deterred most (thanks to alternative news outlets such as this one). He has abused Kofi and ridiculed the peace process but that has not deterred most. His only option now is to send Kofi back to Ghana thereafter embark on squeezing the balls of everybody who does not toe the PNU line. You have already seen what Uhuru has tried to accomplish in Mayoral elections.
ReplyDeleteTwo things are going to happen. We are either going to bloody civil war today or we are going to wait for a nastier war in future. This is the thing that Karua has refused to admit. Since she has been pumped with the vile seeds of heavy hate, all she can produce is the fruits of incredible hate. Like most of the PNU sympathizers, this woman is very shortsighted. It is her strong belief that PNU can single-handedly deliver peace and prosperity to all Kenyans in every community. Even the most dimwitted Mungiki tout knows that is an impossibility.
ReplyDeletePeople can say that the violence going on today is unwarranted. They may even say that they have no clue where it all began. Some refuse to recognize the roots of these evils. This is what I have to say; no living Kenyan today must ever ask or wonder about the causes of the next large scale massacre. It may happen tomorrow or twenty years from today. If you are Kikuyu, you must never ask again why non-GEMA people hate and distaste your presence. The answer lies in what Kibaki is doing today. If you are Luo, you must never ask why the GEMA hate and distaste your existence. The answer lies in what Kibaki is propagating today. If you are Kalenjin, you must never ask why GEMA hates your guts. The answer lies in how Kibaki is handling himself today.
ReplyDeleteYes ladies and gentlemen, always remember to tell your children that it was Kibaki who refused peace. It was Kibaki who supported the currently tattered constitution. It is Kibaki who stole the election. It is Kibaki who refused land reform and therefore led to the burning of children in churches. It is Kibaki who refused CHANGE!!
…..and it is Derek and Irene who supported him.
THE PNU MASTER PLAN STILL TRYING TO WORK HERE!! DID THEY COMPLETE THE LIST WITH THE END OF THE TALKS???
ReplyDeleteKENYANS THIS IS WHO YOU ARE DEALING WITH PLEASE REMEMBER!!(list given by PNU MP)
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ACTION POINTS
Action Point - Truth Prevalence or Lack thereof
PNU and Kenya Government need to rise up NOW! If they can’t find any in their midst, hire the worlds top guns in the field of public propaganda and media savvy-ness.
Media Perception needs to be TOP of everything. Get the truth out in all the media and those who refuse to carry the story, pay for the adverts! That should be done in ALL the media outlets, with intensity especially in the neutral and ODM areas. The Goal is to inject doubt on the ODM victory in preparation of the TRUTH coming out. Insist on results from the PNU media strategy think-tank. They are being paid for results.
Action Point – Publicly Challenge ODM
Rather than just pay for Adverts seeking the truth and challenging Raila and ODM, these are the very exact questions Kibaki; yes the President himself. And he needs personally ask those questions on national TV and Radio. He needs to keep saying the same things over and over in English (Yes, English, his Kiswahili awful).
Arrange for well publicized press conferences with question and answer sessions....in English. The man is extremely eloquent and needs nobody to write speeches for him, as long as he does them in English. Others around him can do the Kiswahili versions on his behalf. Then let him mention and challenge Raila and Ruto by name.
Yes challenge them personally and put them on the defense. Other PNU and PNU friendly officials go after their counterparts in ODM. Kibaki takes the challenging lead role and others follow. Let Kalonzo talk peace and show dictatorial tendencies of the entire ODM leadership and hence his jumping ship with ODM-K. Make public tours and repeat the same challenges over and over.
Action Point - ODM Rigged Big time
Get folks in ALL suspicious ODM areas where the vote was stolen in favor of ODM to file petitions in court. Prevail on the courts to move with speed and urgency to nullify the elections if the voters are indeed dead or could not have voted.
This is a public safety issue and public security. Give it top priority. Hire more Judges if necessary to handle other cases while the more respected and experienced judges handle the election petitions. This is part of the negotiation ODM is pretending to ask for - speedy resolution of election cases.
Action Point - Preaching Peace
Get ALL religious leaders and community leaders preach UNITY like NEVER before. For example, get popular pop stars, local and international to participate in peace rallies. So what the government pays for them directly or otherwise. It’s about endearing the masses for the sake of peace. Get the Muslim leaders to condemn violence. Islam is a peaceful and compassionate religion, not the radical fundamentalism painted by the west.
The government should embrace and echo that fact over and over. Have interdenominational prayers by all major religions. Condemn ODM style violence and senseless loss of life. Use Burnt Forrest as an example - always.
Action Point - Demonize Majimbo
Make MAJIMBO synonymous with VIOLENCE and discrimination and an excuse for wanton destruction of life and property.
Mount similar campaigns like those by ODM and condemn violence and insist on peace and amicable resolution of disputes in courts. Get all the top-guns to go for peace and ONE nation, One Country under the rule of law NOT lawless disputes on the streets as rallying points. Always mention Majimbo on the same sentence with Raila, Ruto and Chaos and loss of life.
Show that it is a hate campaign designed to bring chaos. Repeat the church burning and tossing of the 3yr old as what Majimbo means. We are all brothers in one family called Kenya. Show how Kibaki has been all-inclusive president but was railroaded by a disgruntled minority after the referendum to snatch power illegally. Drum it in, over and over.
Action Point- Act on Corruption
Get all those corruption cases on the likes of Ruto, Mudavadi and Murungaru on fast track. Show that ODM is a worthy opponent with good points but those good points are being tarnished by corrupted individuals. Name them by pointing to corruption cases.
Make them pay for the corruption. Please the West that cries for corruption cases and jail terms. Kosgey and Ruto should be first closely followed by other dirty individuals even in Kibaki camp. The country is much more important than a few rotten but friendly eggs. The point is to be seen to be taking action on corruption…remember the perception factor?
Action Point - Act on Violence Masterminds
With the Intelligence on hand, prosecute RUTO, Alexanda Sitienei and accomplices on RV clashes. Damage has been done in RV so, no worse could happen with the Kalejin vote. Get others on incitement charges.
Make tribal clashes look REALLY BAD AND BARBARIC. Let everyone frown on the primitive nature associated with it in this day and age. Several people must face the law and indeed long jail terms, really long. They should be highly publicized cases.
Action Point - Public Thoroughfare
Make blocking public roads look so bad and make bandits blocking such roads as economic saboteurs and potential murderers and robbers. They are basically criminals up to no good.
The motive for such closures is always to cause trouble, rob, maim and even kill in the mayhem. Execute shoot to kill orders for blocking roads. Move with speed. (Try blocking I-95 in the US with barricades and see what will happen, human rights will be forgotten!)
Action Point - Increase the Police Force
It’s a known fact that in Kenya, the police and armed forces in general are seriously outnumbered per capita (to the general public) going by world standards.
Hire extensively and fast track police training to maintain peace. Have local policing to maintain peace and above all avoid local thuggery. Borrow a leave from the extremely functional Tanzanian policing system: Security is everyone’s concern; national police is a supplement to help the locals as they maintain and manage peace, not the other way round as it is in Kenya.
Action Point - International Mediation
Invite International mediators and show the facts and especially as they favor the government side.
If for instance President John Kafour was railroaded with un-orthodox documents out of character and disingenuous procedures, let the government have President Kafour talk about it to the world media.
Let the Kenya public hear it over and over again. Have public debates on it. Always focus and shape the public debate in PNU favor. Never play catch up to the opposition.
Senior government officials participating in such talks should give a public report as much and as often as necessary. You know the opposition will rush with biased information, act to beat them in the press game.
Action Point - Look to the future
With VP Kalonzo secure on the government side, let him take the lead in the Peace initiatives with the President taking a commanding role and being publicly visible. Have an internal move to put ODM-Kenya and PNU friendly parties into one. This becomes a HUGE advantage to Kalonzo who should be preparing for the 2012 Presidential elections. Get the Coast and Western Provinces fully behind the new unity party, whatever its name. DO NOT RELENT on the Media and wooing the youth in the new-Kalonzo unity initiative.
Always give a forward looking, confident, inspiring and highly optimistic future with the young fully incorporated.
Action Point – Keep Central Out of the limelight
Central and GEMA tribes, the so-called Mount Kenya Mafia are Kenya’s favorite punching bags in the political arena.
Keep the GEMA group in crucial supportive roles behind the scenes. Kamba and other non-GEMA tribes to be seen leading the imitative but not prominent in its formation. Have GEMA 100% behind Kalonzo with Western Kenya, Coast, N. Eastern and Rift Valley prominent in the new unity outfit. With such Strong unity and a corruption free progressive government, ODM will be struggling.
Kalonzo should take that lead with public blessings of the president. With KANU left as a skeleton, a single strong united party, extremely disciplined should be the force required to confront ODM in the coming and inevitable battles in parliament and public Perception.
Action Point – The Raila Factor
Get the public talking about loss of life in the abortive 1982-coup attempt and the Dec 27, 2007 election aftermath. Connect the dots with public utterances on Raila to mean disgruntled, willing to kill and circumvent the law for leadership sake. The ODM adherents went with the winning propaganda party that looked like it would win with GEMA as the poster boys of ridicule, and it worked.
Never relent on the violence and Raila’s desire to be president whatever the cost, including loss of life. Do whatever it takes to turn tables around for all to embrace each and all, irrespective of tribe. It can be done!
Action Point – The Youth Factor
The Youth must be incorporated in this new unity initiative. It needs to be fashioned in such a way to look like it is the Youths initiative, progressive, non-tribal and chic!
If a young person has to be progressive and forward looking then one has to be made to be spearheading the new initiative that truly condemns and shuns violence and dismiss it. Strengthen the Women and Youth Development funds. Give credit to the Government.
Action Point – The Western World Motive
Insist on the motive for the Western government to ridicule and point a finger at Kibaki. Show publicly with convincing figures and graphs what the West lost in terms of no-bid government contracts with business moving to China. Show how they refused to support Kibaki after the contracts were cancelled.
Show high tax collection and how it has been put to excellent use. Show budget supported by 95% local revenue. Show development was across the land before the violence. Show pictures of before and after. Show the West motive is to subjugate and domineer the poor countries and Kibaki managed to break free. Breaking free meant that the rest of the Poor countries were being shown the way forward by Kenya, and that the West can’t afford that. Show the WTO policies and how Eastern facing by Kibaki (Read China) is bad for the West and Great for Kenya and poor nations. Bring the contradictions of Raila courting Muslims by day and the West by night.
All the actions should be thoughtfully timed with the public debate always insisting on peace and progress. Encourage others to acknowledge the Kibaki splendid record. YOUTH MUST of necessity, be at the core of the all these initiatives.
After all, the future of the country (and indeed the kingdom of God) belongs to such as these young… Actually work has been cut for PNU side: just use the now infamous ODM Poll Strategy document only this time for positive outcome. Use similar SWOT analysis and above all, have the outcome ACTED upon. Swing this thing around using their weapon, clearly thought out action plans with specific goals and objectives with action-oriented operatives.
This is serious business to be executed corporate style. No roadside or broadside statement declarations.
No statement to be issued unless approved by the core think-tank. It’s a high stakes game by very senior management professionals.
thanks it is a good reminder!!i'm a Kamba and I hope kilonza is reading this the fool that ODM stand on Power sharing and 50/50 mp in parliament!!Kilonzo will soon be isolated!!
ReplyDeleteThe solution is easy.
ReplyDeleteThrow Raila and Ruto in prison, let them cool their hills in Kamiti pending further investigation. Things will be quiet from there, and the work will continue to continue!
Kenya is not a monkey to be given a banana. Kibaki is tired of donating power to DOMO and they cannot accept. The winner chooses to donate power to the loser. That is what PRESIDENT Kibaki is diong, donating power to Dictatorsip Odinga Movement.
Yours sincerely
Irene Kondile
KIBAKI & HIS PNU CRONIES only understand the use of force, and this is the only way they will be taken out. He may have the state machinery, but Kenyans have a much more powerful machine, and they must use it to paralyse every function of the illegal govt and their businesses. With the threatening sanctions and visa bans looming, Kibaki's balls must be squeezed, unless he has none left until such a point that he cannot agonise anymore.
ReplyDeleteNo longer can Raila or ODM control the situation, it has to be done by the people of Kenya because it has been raped and raped again infront of the whole world.
If we continue to let this illegal regime stand, we will regret this day and we will never again have the powers in our hands. We have to stand up now and be counted, and force these "buffoons" out of the SH...
KIBAKI & HIS PNU CRONIES only understand the use of force, and this is the only way they will be taken out. He may have the state machinery, but Kenyans have a much more powerful machine, and they must use it to paralyse every function of the illegal govt and their businesses. With the threatening sanctions and visa bans looming, Kibaki's balls must be squeezed, unless he has none left until such a point that he cannot agonise anymore.
ReplyDeleteNo longer can Raila or ODM control the situation, it has to be done by the people of Kenya because it has been raped and raped again infront of the whole world.
If we continue to let this illegal regime stand, we will regret this day and we will never again have the powers in our hands. We have to stand up now and be counted, and force these "buffoons" out of the SH...
I GUESS DISMUS YOU WISH THIS BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN!! WHEN YOU WROTE YOUR PIECE IT IS LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN AND ARE ADVOCATING FOR IT!!SOME PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE POOR EXCUSES OF HUMAN BEINGS!!WHO BORN YOU?? EVIL!!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Dismus said...
His only option now is to send Kofi back to Ghana thereafter embark on squeezing the balls of everybody who does not toe the PNU line. You have already seen what Uhuru has tried to accomplish in Mayoral elections.
7:51 AM
anon @ 8.07AM. You of course must not be very bright.
ReplyDeletePlease read again.
INCASE IT MISSED US IN THE PREVIOUS POST...
ReplyDelete"IRENE KONDILE WHATEVA HE, SHE, IT MAYBE IS SURELY DIGRESSING THE DISCUSSION...
WHY ANSWER TO IT I ASK?
COULD WE IGNORE IT'S SENTIMENTS & STICK TO THE ISSUES. P.S I HAVE NOTICED WHEN THE PANYAS WANT TO DIGRESS THE TOPIC THEY WILL BE THE 1ST OR THEREBOUT TO DIVERT THE ISSUE AT HAND BRINGING IN IRRELEVANT TOPICS OR CONTINUE TO PERSUE PAST POSTS'. CHECK WHERE "IT'S" COMMENTS ARE PLACED, NO2...
PEOPLE IGNORE ALL THESE PANYAS' WE KENYANS STAND FOR THE TRUTH, LET US PURSUE THAT FERVENTLY!!!!"
C'mon 8:07, Dismus is on our side...but It's understandble to miss out on the points sometimes it's only human!!
ReplyDeleteZolla,
ReplyDeleteWise words. We will remember all these things, as we watch our country go up in flames.
This is an address to Irene and the PNU moles. Remember the day of reckoning is nigh. You shall will you never did what you are doing to Kenya.
ReplyDeletethat was you shall wish you never did what you are doing to Kenya as judgement is passed unto you.
ReplyDeleteChris! Phil! Taabu! And the rest….When I posted in this blog way back that Annan picked the wrong job, didn’t you all thought I was too negative?
ReplyDeleteAnd one more time, did you all thought Kibaki rigged the elections and siege power to just give out the same powers two months later? Come sons and daughters of Kenya. He will never, whether you all like or not. One main reason among many others is that we are dealing with a retarded guy. This is our new Robert Mugabe ladies and gentlemen.
Also, when I posted here later that a coup is the best answer, didn’t Taabu questioned that? Or have you all forgotten? Didn’t President Kagame reiterate the same thing a week later?
Face this rightfully and painfully ladies and gentlemen. Unless a coup is used, please brace yourselves for another 5 or 10 years under Kibaki and Uhuru.
The writings are on the wall people. Can’t you all see? Do you all need glasses?
thanks for enlightening me- my uncle has been to nyati house during Moi's era and i know what it did to him! when such things are mentioned it sends a chill to many kenyans spines-
ReplyDeleteI will be one of those out there fighting to make sure the likes of places like Nyati hidden houses never return
LOOK AT THE EXECUTION STYLE OF THE MUNGIKI'S KIBAKI IS WORSE THAN KENYATTA OR MOI- KIBAKI IS THE GHOST OF IDDI AMIN BACK TO LIFE!!"murderer"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
C'mon 8:07, Dismus is on our side...but It's understandble to miss out on the points sometimes it's only human!!
This is Africa guys...Diplomacy is Hogwash for African leaders.Let's call a spade a spade....Fire is fought with fire. Far too long, this senile Kikuyu thinks Kenya belongs to them.News Flash!We are waiting with bated breaths.Kibaki wants to rule by force, and we will not allow it to happen.
ReplyDeleteFor those who want to beleive that revolutionaries regrouping and strategising in many parts of Kennya today are illiterate angry souls are wrong.Some of us left good jobs overseas to come work with minds of freedom.Kenya has true patriots, those who beleive in justice and equality,opportunity spread to all, Every Kenyan with equal chance to prosper and culture,and and we fight for a complete Kenya,we fight for the Kikuyus too..and we fight anyone who tries to maintain the status quo..in this case the Kikuyu old guard.
Yes,This is the mark of militancy,as no talks can restore justice.Some of us have been watching Kenya disintergrate since 2003, and its only through rugged revolt and resistance that true dialogue can begin.
Though we are not fighting for ODM, we are increasingly justified by kibaki's total goof and disrespect to the current mediation talks.
I am blogging from somehwhere called Kipchimchim,outskirts of Kericho.So those thinking kenyans in the bush are tired, only need know how far reaching our network and tentacles reach.I hide nothing here,for this is an open war,and purpose of this blogging is to demonstarte one thing..we in the villages aree keeping track about our chances of victory,with all means open to us.
The reality is,the militancy is well oiled,organised and ready to face it.We know the ful force the government is wiling to fight back,but,we are ready,to fight,to die, to seek true independence.Liberia,Sierra Leonne..on the verge of restoration and growth...but they paid the price.Kenya follows suit.Post election violence were sponatineous..i know...i took part....but this time....God be with us all.
Maj Gen. Bunion.
I'M SORRY I DISAGREE WITH YOU, YOU CAN'T BE A KENYAN OR ELSE YOU ARE A KIKUYU!
ReplyDeleteYOU ARE INSULATING KENYANS HERE!!YOU THINK WE ARE SO BLINDED THAT WE CAN'T SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED?? AND DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WE WILL SEAT BACK AND BOW DOWN AND LET THIS THIEVE AND THUG RULE US?? i DON'T BELIEVE YOU KNOW THE DETERMINATION OF KENYANS- THE PEOPLE OF ROMANIA DID IT!!WE WILL PREVAIL- PLEASE TAKE YOUR ARROGANT INSULTS ELSE WHERE BECAUSE IF YOU ARE A TRUE MWANAICHI AND NOT A BLINDED PNU!!THEN YOU WOULD HAVE READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL!!THERE IS NO FEAR IN KENYANS!!WE ARE DETERMINED- I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH PASSION FOR DEMOCRACY !!IT IS HERE THE WIND OF CHANGE IS HERE!!
Anonymous Kenyan Son said...
Chris! Phil! Taabu! And the rest….When I posted in this blog way back that Annan picked the wrong job, didn’t you all thought I was too negative?
Folks,
ReplyDeleteSincerely, How does one get rid of a tin pot dictator? Peaceful negotiations has never been the answer.
When a rudeless creature is in power and overstepping other tribes, I shall ready myself for an honest war. The other day, I sincerely asked the massive and crew in this blog to get ready because we are coming. I asked those with pangas to sharpen them. I asked those with spears, arrows and more to sharpen them.
ReplyDeleteI’m posting this right in Eldoret and I can tell you dearly that the illegal government has been preparing for war against our community here whilst fooling Kenyans that they respect the negotiations from Annan. The reshuffle and movement of APs, Police and military amour should even awaken a bastard.
Alarm and harm yourself people. War is coming. That tribe that sees itself as superior is waging war my people. That one tribe cum illegal government is waging a one last massive war to colonize other tribes.
I come to you again to tell you that I’m a rebel and it is time to take oath against this illegal government.
As expected, the illegitimate PNU regime has taken Annan and the rest of Kenyans for a ride yet again.
ReplyDeleteThis time however, no one in particular is worn down by their strategy to buy time.
Yes, Kofi Annan will go back to Geneva but guys, there are millions of Kenyans (including women and children) who know and are prepared to take up the struggle a notch higher. No freedom struggle comes easy; and in retrospect the collapse of the Annan talks is a blessing in disguise.
Pentagon House (Kenya's true state house) is monitoring events at Serena very closely and you guys can expect an announcement later tonight.
Anon @8:45am. I'm sorry I'm loosing you. Do you read? I'm pro-ODM; the rightful movement of the people. Is something telling you I support a thief (Kibaki)?
ReplyDeleteDigest what you read before you type.
This just in!!! Agitation is clearly visible with the Army!!! Mutiny in the offing?? Chris please check and report!!!
ReplyDeleteIt's back to square one. Waking up everyday in fear that violence has broken out in Kenya, or Kenya is burning, or...
ReplyDeleteWhere is a heart attack when you need it? I'm sorry to say this, but Kibaki needs to die, one way or another. He is solely responsible for the woes facing Kenya today.
Maj Gen. Bunion and Rebel,
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work and know that you are not alone.
Luo nyanza is also willing and ready to fight this senile oldmen with their young Kikuyu sycophants like Karua and Uhuru Muingiki.
Victory for Kenya including all impoverished and patriotic Kikuyus who had their land and souls stolen by the homeguards and their heirs is near!
Lionel Messi
I predict that the country will explode into chaos in the next few days and the toll that will have on the economy will force the gvt to reconsider their hard stance.
ReplyDeleteRemember that those around Kibaki have the most to lose when the economy collapses yet they are the ones who will go down last.
I don't know why people are surprised at these collapsed talks.
ReplyDeleteDidn't anyone know that Kibaki was just using delaying tactics while at the same time getting ready to do the "real work" i.e. going after the perps of the violence and all the militia?
The gvt wants to chop the legs of the opposition by destroying all thes emilitias, perp sponsors, inciters, financiers, etc.
Once those legs are chopped off, the gvt wants the opposition to have no feet to stand on, and that's when they'll come back and "re-negotiate". basically the gava will them "Look, we still have these available cabinet positions vacant...r u still interested...?"
The opposition knowing it's militia has been destyoyed will be forced to take thes bread crumbs.
So, don't act surprised coz of these failed talks. It's about Power and maintaining it in kenya.
Raila should find a way of distancing himself from RUTO, coz man RUTO is too much baggage.He should also tell people like Balala that making such hateful inciting statements dosen't help
Anon@ 9:46
ReplyDeleteIf you and your PNU think that by 'chopping' the legs of the militias in Kenya, Kibaki will have a free hand in ruling you another thing coming for you.
Remember Rwanda and it's declaration?
You can take this to the bank, Kibaki is not going to last 5 years and a rebel force from outside the country is going to enter Kenya soon after Annan leaves.
You can take that to your PNU masters.
Lionel Messi.
Domo domo domo
ReplyDeleteanon@9:46 AM
ReplyDeleteNice try, you try to demonize Ruto. Ruto is not baggage, Infact I will proudly say that Ruto is the guy that holds the ODM together.
However much you do, the propaganda will not work. Ruto is viewed as a hero. One of the few men with balls and if need be he will rally to the defense of his people from internal colonialism and ubwanyenye.
I will follow his lead, I vote for him any day he run for president, I will rally to his cause, I am glad he is on my side.
Hail RUTO!!! Keep them shaking, Keep the scared, Keep them awake and away, HAIL!
totally in support of decisive action to remove the illegit government and/or secede and isolate central/eastern kenya. talks are now over ODM should stop looking to the west for a solution or support. the west will only move in if there interests are threatened. PNU will not give an inch. we are already impoverished, and cannot be impoverished further. liberation can only make things start to get better in the long run for RV, nyanza, western, NE, coast.
ReplyDeletekibaki is not just a conman but a fool
ODM is better off taking nothing than taking crumbs.Taking crumbs will only legitimise Kibaki's position in a 5 year war.
ReplyDeleteAnd if ODM takes nothing my vote goes to Ruto 2012
Anon@10:00
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, Ruto is the man holding ODM together. Infact he has my vote for President anytime. Now we need his leadership in the rebellion against Kibaki. Raila can be the leader of the political wing of the movement and frankly I think he (Raila) is too scared to confirm the west’s portrayal of him as a radical.
Anon@10:00
Rebellion is the only way forward. You hit the nail on the head. We the people of RV, Western, NE, Coast, Eastern, Central and Nyanza can’t be more impoverished that we already are. Let’s kick Kibaki’s butt and liberate all Kenya from the Kleptocracy that is the his regime.
Lionel Messi
KENYANS WE HAVE NO CHOICE WE MUST STOP THIS MAD MAN KIBAKI AND HIS CRONIES!!
ReplyDeleteReal life stories:There will be blood in Kenya
By Nicholas D. Kristof
Syndicated columnist,NEW YORK TIMES
KISUMU, Kenya — Until he was circumcised with a machete in front of a jeering mob and then dragged off to be beheaded, Robert Ochieng had been a symbol of modern, post-tribal harmony in Kenya.
A member of the Luo ethnic group, Robert, 16, had played and studied with members of another ethnic group, the Kikuyu. They were friends. And then Kenya erupted in rioting after a rigged election, and suddenly Luos were chasing and killing Kikuyus, and a mob of Kikuyus was running down Robert.
He claimed that he was Kikuyu as well, but the suspicious mob stripped him naked and noted that he was not circumcised, meaning that he could not be Kikuyu. That's when his attackers held him down — smashing his arm when he tried to protect himself — and performed the grotesque surgery in the street to loud cheers.
The crowd shouted war cries and was preparing to decapitate Robert with a machete when the police rescued him. Doctors did some repair work and say he will recover physically, but as he sat in a church shelter for the displaced here in Kisumu in Western Kenya, he seethed with hostility that may never heal.
"When I see Kikuyu shops that have been burned down," he told me, "I feel good inside."
Never again will Robert be friendly with Kikuyu or have anything to do with them; he is now a symbol of the primeval tribal tensions that threaten Kenya's future.
The prime villain is President Mwai Kibaki, who would have been hailed as a hero if he had obeyed the will of the people in the December election. Instead, he — and a cast of thugs around him — appear to have stolen the election, starting a spiral of tribal violence that has killed more than 1,000 people and displaced 300,000. Kibaki's intransigence risks the collapse of his country, possibly even civil war.
The man who probably had the election stolen from him, Raila Odinga, is a Luo, as was Barack Obama's Kenyan father. Many Kenyans grimly note that a Luo may become president of the United States before being permitted to become president of Kenya.
Many Kenyans also say that the United States has been a part of the problem. In our desire for stability, we acquiesced in election irregularities in such countries as Ethiopia and Nigeria, inadvertently signaling that Kibaki could get away with stealing re-election.
The United States cozied up to Kibaki and initially congratulated him on his "victory."
Since then, the United States has come around and played a helpful role in nudging Kibaki to make concessions, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's visit to Kenya on Monday usefully added pressure.
More broadly, the United States has pursued policies in Africa that are akin to our policies in Pakistan, and Kibaki is one of our African Musharrafs. In the interest of short-term stability, we acquiesce in despotic behavior that eventually creates instability. Granted, these are tough balances to strike. But look at Kenya or Pakistan today, and it's clear that we got the balance wrong.
Flying over northern Kenya to Eldoret, you see smoke still rising from some of the countless Kikuyu farms that have been burned to the ground. And here in Kisumu, the arriving Luo tell horrific stories.
"My wife was burned to death with our two children, aged 5 and 1 ½," said a dazed Nicholas Ochieng. "Now I have no wife, no children, no house, no job. I have nothing."
Mary Odhiambo, an aid worker tending to the new arrivals, said one shellshocked woman arrived on a bus still clutching her husband's head, wrapped in newspapers, after a mob had hacked it off and mockingly presented it to her.
"We have people coming in from Kikuyu areas, and they swear that before they die, they have to kill a Kikuyu," Odhiambo said.
If Kibaki does not back down, Kenya will completely blow up. Kofi Annan is working heroically to broker a compromise, and a power-sharing agreement is possible in which Kibaki remains president for a couple of years and Odinga serves as prime minister.
But so far, Kibaki hasn't been willing to make necessary concessions.
"If the talks collapse, there will be an explosion countrywide," Odinga said, adding: "It will be bloodier than before."
Ruto is actually our only hope.
ReplyDeleteLIKE I SAID THIS PNU FOOL IS IN DREAM LAND::)) CUT WHO'S POWERS?? HOW CAN YOU REMOVE POWER FROM THE PEOPLE!!IT IS ABOUT RAILA OR RUTO ANYMORE IT IS ABOUT US!!!!!KENYANS!!!US KENYANS AS A PEOPLE!! YOU SKUNK!!HOW CAN YOU HAVE SEARCH A THICK SKULL!!DON'T YOU GET IT!!WE THE PEOPLE OF THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA MINUS THE MUNGIKI KIKUYU;S WILL REMOVE KIBAKI BY FORCE!!HE CAN'T KILL ALL OF AS! AS A MATTER OF FACT HE WILL ONLY REDUCE THE KIKUYU POPULATION!!!!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
I don't know why people are surprised at these collapsed talks.
Didn't anyone know that Kibaki was just using delaying tactics while at the same time getting ready to do the "real work" i.e. going after the perps of the violence and all the militia?
Kenya as we knew it is no more, let us never fool ourselves. The best thing is for the country to be split up. Read the Israeli - Palestinian Wars fought in the 60's are still haunting those in the Middle East. The can of worms of that has been opened can NEVER be sealed. I analogize this to the Middle East and the Kenya we will have, you go tell a person in Palestine that has lived in a refugee camp for decades to find reason and level headedness, it is like trying to extract water from stone. This is the Kenya that our children, their children and childrens children will inherit. All because of a bunch of self-serving thugs from a certain house. Little do they know that when Kenya will go up in smoke, in just a matter of time, they will too. It will be too late to seal that can of worms.
ReplyDeleteKibaki thinks state house will protect him!!welcome to Iraq style!!we will burn him in there!!and as for the Peace office!it is none existent to Kenyans- that will go down too if that is where he will hide!!he has to feel what the Kenyans who were burned in Eldoret, kisumu,nakuru,naivasha felt-helpless to death took them burned alive!!he does not understand the Kenyan people bitterness-maybe when kibaki is roasting-he might shout to GOD to forgive him for killing 1000 innocent Kenyans!!
ReplyDeleteMichuki Windsor-club that will go down too he build it with stolen money from Kenyans!!why should he have it when all he has been doing is killing Kenyans!!he deserves nothing on this earth!!
Kikuyu's claim all the rest of Kenyans are Lazy!!ok then let us burn down everything they stole from the rest of the Kenyans and let every body starts afresh any thieves will be jailed - all the jails will be full of kikuyu's because they have no idea what it means to work hard and make an honest living!!all they are used to is stealing!!
ReplyDeleteI am tired of reading---we will do this and that and that. Kibaki's presidency will not last3 days, sorry a week sorry a month.... Kibaki was only voted for by Central and "parts of Eastern"( and that INEXPLICABLY gave him 4.1 million which is the official figure read by Mudavadi. Raila on the hand was voted for by R. Valley, Nyanza, Western, Nairobi, Coast, N Eastern and "half of Eastern--actualy about 5%". The total vote of the "six and a half provinces" is 4.3 million. In other words what we are saying is that 4.3 million KENYANS voted for Raila and 4.1 million KIKUYUS voted for Kibaki. Aaaai, I for one do not believe that because it simply doesn't add up. I know people lie to others but lying to themselves is new to me.
ReplyDeleteSo, when is Kibaki's regime collapsing? When is Raila 'arap Mibei' a.k.a people's president being sworn in?
But wait a minute; what does the people's president mean? I know BANTU stands for people and I am told the Kikuyu, Embu, Meru, Mbeere, Kamba, Kisii, Taita and the Bukusu, all of whom are Bantu (and therefore the real people)voted for Kibaki. Maybe and just may be we need to get our facts right on who really is the people's President.
Anon 11.05. NIGGER PLIZ, STOP SPILLING YOUR IGNORANCE!!!
ReplyDeleteOR IS IT OUTRIGHT, UTTER STUPIDITY NAY IDIOCRITY
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 11.14 and 11.15. While according to you everything that doesn't agree with your distortions is 'ignorance/stupidity', your comments are not very different from that.
ReplyDeleteanon 11:05
ReplyDeleteYou are apparently not sharpest knife in a drawer full of plastic butter knives. A drop away from empty.
Which galaxy have you been on? Galaxy of Fools and Knaves?'
Anyway, That is why I preach post partum abortion for cases like yours!
OK agreed 11.27. So when is raila becoming President?
ReplyDeletewhen you go back home
ReplyDeleteFirst and foremost, when it is all laid down, combat, those WEAKLING KIKUYU men that call men KIHII will be hiding in their women's skirts (read Karua), forget Mungiki, do not hide in the dark, or attack under false pretense, those girlie men that think that the rest of Kenyans are lazy, time will only tell.
ReplyDeleteCalling Maj Gen Bunion,Rebel and Lionel Messi! Target close! Aim right!Don't leave any mess!Right between the eyes.
ReplyDeleteCalling All nut-cases(preferrably those who fu** grannies)Martha Karua...good target.Make it messy,make her cringe,she redefines evil.Don't worry,you won't burn any worse in hell!(Jeff K24,are you reading???)
DON'T BOTHER PRAYING FOR KENYA,IT'S GONE TO THE DOGS(oops...KIKUYUS)..LITERALLY
My sword is sharpened....my face is painted....My list is complete... i'm ready to cleanse.
Anon 11.30AM
ReplyDeleteThis is about the 60% of Kenyans who cant afford 2 meals a day. This is about Kenyans who have been subjected to economic apartheid and neglect bcoz they are not GEMA.This is about a rotten constitutional system that protects the elite and oppresses the rest of us.
Raila is just a beakon of hope that someone would address these issues.
The time will come when the lights of u will not be able to withstand the wrath of the hopelessness and frustration that Kenyans feel
Jeff K24...good one mate!
ReplyDeleteMartha...our dear Martha.You have the brain capacity of the pimple in my armpit.
You are a natural...ever thought of auditioning for the exorcist...am sure you have very many demons in that little head of yours.Don't get me started on Wetangula....
Now to more important things...war is war.War is now here with us.Time to stand and be counted...and when it is all over...we shall analyze the ratio of the true kenyans to the Mungiki apes and that is when we shall finally know who really won the election.They attempted to make us believe 1+1=4.1million.We shall show them what the reality is.
Lord help us.
hahaha,
ReplyDeleteall you angry people pissed at me for stating the truth @9:46
It's probably not what you want to hear but it's the truth. Kibaki ain't sharing no power the way ODM wants.
and Kibaki WILL NEVER share power with RUTO, It's a fact penda usipende.(Kumekucha has a higher chance of sharing power with kibaki than RUTO)
It seems RUTO has some loyal followers up in here and I know he's very popular in Kalenjin Land, but remember that even HITLER was very much loved in Nazi Germany.
I really pity these kalenjin warriors, chest thumping coz they slaughtered inncoent women and children. Do u guys really know what awaits you ?
Don't be deceived by typing in CAPS and issiung hate filled repsonses that it will get any better for you, far from it.But if it helps yu deal with it, then do yu. I know tehre's people who resort to alcohol to deal with bad issues and it helps them thru, so for yu guys maybe hatemongering is your alcohol.
If you know how to inetrpret things, just read the standard or the nation newspapers, and see how the security forces are being re-organized. The standard had a piece on how the provincial administartion is reviving the district intelligence committees...
do u know what this means ??...
The mistake yu guys make is that yu mistake Kibaki's silence for foolishness and that is what he knows y'll are doing.
The government hasn't done anything drastic about the violence, even as ODM keeps up issuing bad threats of more protests and Najib Balala saying central will be Lesotho....clearly yu guys know that empty debes make the most noise..
I'd be very worried by the government's silence. They are planning a grand retaliation to take out all their enemies one at a time.
That's why i said Raila should distance himself from RUTO, RUTO Is too much political baggage.
I know his people idolize RUTO Just as the Nazi youth worshipped Hitler, it's all good, it's democracy anyway, u can like whoever pleases your fancy, but for me, killing women and children in a church is very distasteful.
ANNON@11:05
ReplyDeletelol... U speak the TRUTH and when you speak the truth and don't tow the ODM Lies, ANNON 11:14 AND 11:15 Insult you and call yu Nigger, Ignorant, Stupid.
Why do Fools hate knowledge ? and this is in the Bible.
I mean why insult a guy coz he gave a differnt viewpoint from yours?
If you were half intelligent, You'd at least counter his points and give your reasons why.
That's why ODM is not taken seriuosly, coz all they do is behave like 5 year old brats when they don't get their way, with crude insults.
ODM guys behave like they livin in pre-historic times, u guys behave like Zinjas...yaani Zinjathropas, u haven't eveloved yet?
ha ha anon 1150
ReplyDeletei edited your observation above without permission
and voila
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It seems KIBAKI has some loyal followers up in here and I know he's very popular in KIKUYU Land, but remember that even HITLER was very much loved in Nazi Germany.
I really pity these KIKUYU MILITIA, chest thumping coz they slaughtered inncoent women and children. Do u guys really know what awaits you ?
Don't be deceived by typing in CAPS and issiung hate filled repsonses that it will get any better for you, far from it.But if it helps yu deal with it, then do yu. I know tehre's people who resort to TOBACCO to deal with bad issues and it helps them thru, so for yu guys maybe hatemongering is your TOBACCO.
If you know how to inetrpret things, just read the standard or the nation newspapers, and see how the security forces are being re-ethnicized. The standard had a piece on how the provincial administartion is reviving the district intelligence committees...
do u know what this means ??...
I know his people idolize KIBAKI Just as the Nazi youth worshipped Hitler, it's all good, it's democracy anyway, u can like whoever pleases your fancy, but for me, killing women and children is very distasteful.
Anon @ 11:50am, you need to read "Art of War", then read more history books, the US a Superpower had/is having problems in Iraq, guess what..militia is the word. At this point, look where Central Province is and who surrounds it.......Think my brother, think..you can organize all the Commiittees, reoragnize and then oragnize..transfer..BUT you know who will be the biggest losers...if you know how Kenya voted 6 ouf of 8 provinces..do you need me to say more..guess the chips will fall where they may, you must really underestimate Kenyans..just like your brilliant Kibaki did and though this would be over in a week or say maybe two.
ReplyDeleteTo the cyber Militia:
ReplyDeleteVery sad that ARMS DEALERS ARE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK
This shows that Kibaki was never serious about the talks.
ReplyDeleteThe last point (no.4) of the process was to deal with constitutional and land reforms.
The man cannot even get himself to pass the first test of reform.
KIBAKI IS TO BLAME FOR THE BLOOD THAT WILL BE POURING THIS WEEK.
Chris your mzuri blog is just becoming a tool of hate-mongering. Have u seen the comments being left here? What would u call comments left by Anon 11:35 ? What do u really stand for? While I know you are pro ODM, your blog is becoming like Mashada that was pro PNU and comments were not moderated. Remember while this blog is a source of information and a good mode for exchanging ideas, you should take resposibility where needed and make sure that hate is not one of the things being spread around. This is your house but your guests are chafuaring it badly. Will you clean it up or will u just be like Kibaki? Sit there and watch as your blogspot goes hay-wire? Stand up!!!!!
ReplyDeleteyou people,stop this,if there is war noboby will be spared, chidren ,wemen and men, why dont we make kenya a better place, is it only Kibaki or Raila who kan rule Kenya let's think twice
ReplyDeleteODM grade three kids, when is arap Mibei being sworn in having been "elected" by six and a half provinces?
ReplyDeleteKIBAKI -THIEVE THUG MURDERER OF CHILDREN , WOMEN AND YOUNG MEN AS THE MEDIA REPORTS YESTERDAY 43% of the dead were from gun wounds - from KIBAKI`S SHOT TO KILL ORDER HE GAVE TO THE POLICE AND THE MUNGIUKI GANG!!
ReplyDeleteKIBAKI IS A MURDERER AND NOW KENYANS HAVE FULL PROOF OF THE TRUTH !! 43% OF THE DEAD HAD GUN WOUNDS !!
I ASK KIBAKI - WHO SHOT MY DAUGHTERS, WHO SHOT MY SONS WHO SHOT MY MOTHER WHO SHOT MY FATHER WHO SHOT MY UNCLE WHO SHOT MY AUNTIE WHO SHOT MY COUSINS WHO SHOT MY NEIGHBORS WHO SHOT MY FRIENDS
KIBAKI GAVE THE ORDER TO THE POLICE TO KILL ALL THIS INNOCENT KENYANS
HE IS A MURDERER HE HAS BLOOD ALL OVER HIS BODY HE CAN NEVER WIPE IT OFF HIS BODY HE WILL GO TO THE GRAVE WITH IT.
WHEN YOUR KIBAKI THIEF THUG AND CHILD MURDERER IS HANGED SOON!! SADDAM HUSSEIN STYLE!!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
ODM grade three kids, when is arap Mibei being sworn in having been "elected" by six and a half provinces?
WE ARE SENDING MUNGIKI IN TO REVENGE ON HIS EXECUTING MORE THAN 50 OF THEIR BROTHERS- THEY TOLD US THEY WILL DO THE JOB PERFECTLY IN FACT THEY SAID THEY WILL GIVE KIBAKI A SECOND CIRCUMCISION BEFORE FINISHING THE JOB!!
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU SO MUCH MUNGIKI!!WE NEW YOU WOULD COME IN HANDY!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ODM grade three kids, when is arap Mibei being sworn in having been "elected" by six and a half provinces?
@12:29 PM
ReplyDeleteThe feelings on the blog are real. The blog is still informative. Posts might be off the pier but hey if you feel bad. Just read what Chris writes and ignore the comments no one forces you to click the comments button.
I know the comments spoil your little nice cocoon that you live in but the represent what is on the street. Now you Know. Mashada shut down because sincirely PNU did not have anything to say. It died a natural death. Kumekucha survives and thrives because the truth always lives
Plus is you only see the ODM insults and fail to see the PNU insults then take a hike, seriously take one off a cliff.
plus this sounds like you and then you pretend later that it is ODM
...'My sword is sharpened....my face is painted....My list is complete... i'm ready to cleanse...' that is so you!
Grade three kids amaze me. A lot of rhetoric and no action. You cannot elbow yourself into power through cheap insults, heckling, lies and a false sense of entitlement. So Kenyans now know who killed 43% of the people who died? I thought they knew this all along. And who killed the remaining 57%? As usual 43% will be presented as being >57%. Have we not always been told that the combined Kibaki/Kalonzo vote (which is at least 55% even by ODM's own figures) is a minority? Have we not heard every single day that "Raila and ODM represent the majority of Kenyans"? So those who voted for Kibaki and Kalonzo are Somalis and Ethiopians?
ReplyDeleteGrade three kids will always be grade three kids.
Raila represents the majority of Kenyans
ReplyDeleteAnd that majority will be in the opposition for at least a hundred years.
ReplyDeleteKenyan's,please,please, why should we hate each other this much,we will remain here,think about a few years to come your children you are trying to educate had by taking them to shool will get nothing if we destroy Kenya today,lets make our hatred a joke and try to move forward. The world is laughing at us you silly kenyans destroy your country its yours,
ReplyDeletelets move and stop this, the leaders we have will pass and leave kenya as kenya if we do not destory it. think this!!
Kenyan's,please,please, why should we hate each other this much,we will remain here,think about a few years to come your children you are trying to educate had by taking them to shool will get nothing if we destroy Kenya today,lets make our hatred a joke and try to move forward. The world is laughing at us you silly kenyans destroy your country its yours,
ReplyDeletelets move and stop this, the leaders we have will pass and leave kenya as kenya if we do not destory it. think this!!
OH MY GOD YOU ARE LIKE A KIKUYU POTATO PEELER WITH NO BRAINS I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU PLEASE GO TALK TO YOUR BUDDIE MARTHA KARUA SHE WILL INDEED TEACH YOU SOME ROPES:):)
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
Grade three kids amaze me
Go tell that to Karua, "duly elected", Michuki, Kalonzo, Kilonzo etc.
ReplyDeletePLEASE TELL THIS NYAGARIKA TO SHUT UP -I`M A KIKUYU WHO IS DISGUSTED IN THIS --WHY DOES SHE POST SUCH SHIT ON HERE NO WONDER OTHER TRIBES REALLY HATE US«««««WHY DO YOU ACT LIKE A CHILD YOURSELF!LOOK AT YOURSELF IN A FULL MIRROR SEE IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE HATE YOU SPEW HERE- i`M A KIKUYU BUT VERY ASHAMED TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH THE LIKES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
Grade three kids amaze me. A lot of rhetoric and no action. You cannot elbow yourself into power through cheap insults, heckling, lies and a false sense of entitlement. S
Uncultured Karua at her best. Apende asipende Kenya is not hers
ReplyDeleteRevealed: Inside the talks room
Published on February 27, 2008, 12:00 am
By Standard Team
A member of the PNU negotiating team engaged the Panel of Eminent African Persons in heated exchanges and is understood to have let fly comments that stunned mediators before the talks were suspended indefinitely, The Standard can report.
A disappointed lead mediator, Dr Kofi Annan, said he would now engage with the principals, Party of National Unity’s President Kibaki and Orange Democratic Movement’s Mr Raila Odinga, in a bid to give the talks a fresh lease of life.
This emerged even as the US State Department announced it was exploring "a wide range of possible actions" on Kenya, less than 24 hours after the deadlock.
"We will draw our own conclusions about who is responsible for lack of progress and take necessary steps. We will also exert leadership with the United Nations, African Union, European Union and others to ensure that the political solution the Kenyan people deserve is achieved," the US Secretary of State Dr Condoleezza Rice said in a statement issued by the State Department.
On Tuesday night, details of the exchanges in the mediation room remained sketchy but the minister is understood to have exploded when the former United Nations Secretary-General, Annan, tried to steer discussions towards what was already drafted in the report of the Legal Working Group.
Sources told The Standard the minister was defending the need to preserve the President’s executive authority and retain him as the appointing authority for both the prime minister and members of the Cabinet when Annan interrupted the argument with the reminder.
Thereafter, the talks are said to have degenerated into accusations, with epithets being hurled across the table as the PNU and Orange Democratic Movement (ODM), the two protagonists in the disputed and discredited presidential elections engaged in a slinging match.
Both Annan and former Tanzania President Benjamin Mkapa, who also sits on the Panel of Eminent African Persons, are understood to have found themselves on the rack with attacks, some of them questioning their integrity.
It is at this point or shortly afterwards, sources said, that the minister left the mediation room in a huff.
Mbooni MP Mr Mutula Kilonzo, who together with Justice minister Ms Martha Karua, Education minister Prof Sam Ongeri and his Foreign Affairs counterpart Mr Moses Wetangula makes up the Government team at the talks, is said to have followed the minister outside.
When he returned to the still high-strung room, Mutula reportedly apologised and clarified that the minister’s were "personal remarks and not that of the Government mediation team".
Tampers flared
Later, while addressing journalists at the Serena Hotel after the talks, Mutula remarked: "The meeting was too hot, tempers flared in the afternoon".
Since the weekend, it was clear the talks could be headed for a gridlock, even collapse.
Matters in the search for a political settlement out of the impasse — that has left at least 1,000 people dead, close to half a million displaced and the economy on the brink — appeared to have come to a head on Monday.
On Tuesday, that chasm appeared to have widened even as the talks’ teams put on a brave face.
In perhaps his harshest speech since he arrived in the country slightly over a month ago, Annan openly spoke of his disappointment at the failure by the protagonists to understand the magnitude of the problem at hand.
He appeared dismayed that no one seemed to see the gravity of what in his estimation was an extraordinary situation that required extraordinary measures to deal with once and for all.
Struggling to remain diplomatic in the face of disdain, Annan told an international press conference: "We cannot pretend that nothing has happened, we cannot continue with business as usual".
The UN-backed mediator asked President Kibaki and Mr Raila Odinga to either take charge by giving instructions to their representatives, "or I engage them".
It was only his second statement in under 24-hours that seemed to imply that the two must now show leadership in the process.
On Monday night after a day in which nothing moved in the talks, Annan had stated: "I believe that the Panel of Eminent African Personalities working with the Kenya National Dialogue and Reconciliation have done its work. I’m now asking the party leaders, Hon Raila Odinga and President Mwai Kibaki to do theirs".
He said he had concluded that the teams were incapable of resolving the outstanding issues.
The divide was evident from what the opposing sides in the talks said soon after Annan’s pronouncement.
While ODM cited frustration even after "ceding a lot of ground" in the talks, PNU insisted it did not see any justification for the suspension.
Mutula, in fact, said the Government side had formally protested against the shelving of the talks and said that the bitter exchanges and flaring of tempers would not justify such a move.
"Look at Prof Sam Ongeri, he is distraught…you have never seen him like this," the MP, who spoke for the Government side, said in reference to the bitter exchanges that had erupted.
He added: "We have not given up. We were distraught by what happened on the mediation floor when it degenerated almost into personal insults."
ODM Pentagon member Mr Musalia Mudavadi, who together with Mr William Ruto (Eldoret North), Dr Sally Kosgei (Aldai) and Mr James Orengo (Ugenya) constitute the Orange party’s team, said: "We are extremely frustrated. The moment we made some ground a complete reversal was made".
International pressure mounts
He added: "We have been dedicated and committed to the talks. As ODM, we ceded ground on our original position that Kibaki should resign. We did this even despite the tribulations that we have gone through because we wanted Kenya to go on and be together".
On Tuesday night, as the deadlock forced a suspension of the talks, the US threatened to exert leadership with the UN, the EU and the AU to force a political solution on Kenya.
The statement came barely a week after Rice visited the country to impress upon President Kibaki and Raila to reach a settlement soon.
"It can’t be an illusion, power sharing must be real," Rice said and warned that the solution to the country’s crisis lay in sharing of power between the two camps.
Indeed, it is the quest for real power sharing by ODM and the reluctance by PNU to make any meaningful concessions that appear to have wound back the clock on the talks even as progress appeared to have been made.
In her statement on Tuesday, Rice noted that the two leaders assured her of their commitment to work out a structure for real sharing of power.
"While some progress has been made," noted Rice in her statement, "I am disappointed by the failure of leadership necessary to resolve all the remaining issues.
"There can be no excuse for further delay. There can also be no excuse for violence and those responsible must be held accountable," she warned.
"I want to emphasise that the future of our relationship with both sides and their legitimacy hinges on their cooperation to achieve this political solution," Rice warned, adding that her country was exploring a wide range of possible actions.
She noted that peaceful voices continue to mount from civil society organisations, churches and from the Kenyan people on the need for a political solution.
She reiterated her strong commitments to efforts by the Annan mediation team to bring a political solution to the problem.
But the Government reacted sharply to the US statement at a hurried press conference on Tuesday night.
The PNU mediation team urged ‘international friends’ not to impose solutions on Kenya.
"Our international friends as we have stated before are welcome to make suggestions and to support the dialogue process but not impose solutions and should take care not to legitimise or reward violence, death and destruction. All relevant factors must be taken into account to avoid rush judgment based on incomplete information," read the statement in part.
Mutula instead accused the ODM side of being responsible for the stalemate due to their "amazing" demands.
thanks and i respect you for coming out and stating your point without even pointing at pnu or odm you just told your kikuyu relative to behave and not to spew hate with her arrogance- that is why KENYA IS where it is today people like her who are abroad and have been given the master plan!!did you all read it!! it says repeat all this lies and people will soon start believing you- but they miscalculated the will of Kenyans
ReplyDeleteAnother thing this individual is threatening as with government militia but this person forgets like some one like myself i have cousins in the army in high ranking positions- and I doubt if they will take an order from Kibaki to kill their own blood - that is wish full thinking on PNU`s side - and how many kenyans like me have relatives in the army!!officers, major, captains and foot soldiers!!can you people tell me all this relatives of yours would shoot you on Kibaki`s orders!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OH MY GOD YOU ARE LIKE A KIKUYU POTATO PEELER WITH NO BRAINS I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU PLEASE GO TALK TO YOUR BUDDIE MARTHA KARUA SHE WILL INDEED TEACH YOU SOME
Anonymous 1.35, you are Kikuyu and i am not. What makes you think your being Kikuyu, luo, Kamba, Maasai has any relevance in debates? Why do you imagine that you, being a kikuyu, have a bigger stake in the governance of the country? If Kibaki got more than 4 million votes, do you in your small head think there were 4 million kikuyu registered voters? Don't you know that there are Luos, Kambas, Kalenjins and Somalis who support Kibaki and his government? I mean you guys have allowed yourselves to be buffetted by an imaginable ignorance and stupidity. What does your ethnicity have to do with the person I should support?
ReplyDeleteThe good news folks is that each day that passes we are on a count down to Kibakis oblivion from the kenyan map..every second..the man gets closer to his end. Unfortunately unlike other dictators the man in this game has very few cards..
ReplyDeleteInstead of pointing fingers at one side, start coming up with ways all Kenyans can pressurize for a deal to be made. Do you think Kibaki will listen to criticisms about the legitimacy of his presidency? And do you think Raila is justified in threatening mass action (we all know where that would end up) and then attempting to pull a photographic opportunity with Bush in TZ so that he can give the appearance that he has discussed issues with Bush? Both of them are being ignored, its all about who will be the bigger man and be accomodating
ReplyDeleteANNON@ 12:00 Who shamelessly Plagiarized my post and "edited" it by inserting his own words:
ReplyDeleteAll I can say is that I'm really really flattered that you liked my writing so much that you decided to steal it and use it as your own, albeit , you changed a few words here and there.
But I'm not mad at u, actually I feel very flattered, I didn't know those words moved you to that extent.
I'm also abit dissapointed in that you were lazy, you didn't come up with your own counter argument...but why should I be surprised. Most ODM Followers just blow hot air like Balala....and result to matusi cheap when they can't argue their points coherently.
why can't u guys learn from Chris? the guy supports ODM but he argues his points and gives his reasons why...
matusi will not take u nowhere..
ANNON@12:03
ReplyDeleteDaddi, The Art of War is a good read.
I'd also encourage you to Read Machiavelli's "Prince"
then we can have a discussion.
and this fallacy of sijui 6 provinces voted for Raila ???
Daddi, it was 4 out 4....at least kibaki 17% in Nyanza.
Mara Raila said 7 provinces voted for him- I saw him say it on BBC after defending the eldoret church massacre...This man is funny at times, yaani he even lies to himself..
this is the most influential paper with global decision makers; Kibaki's bluff has now been called for good.
ReplyDeleteWhat a shame he has no broader vision for his own tribe and the kenyan people. You can understand kukuyu fear with this kind of leadership. He's almost done a milosevic - look where serbia is today.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/62f987bc-e492-11dc-a495-0000779fd2ac.html
Kibaki never got 4.1 million votes. Those are inlated figures, you must be from mars to think kibaki won the presidential elections.Its time kenyans rose up this time round in real arms, period.
ReplyDeleteand your kibaki nurderer will answer to the kenyan people why police shot all this people in Kisumu!!we will not take him to court I swear the rule of the jungle will apply to him and his family- ``JUST LIKE I MOURNED AND BURIED MINE OWN- HE KIBAKI WILL MOURN AND BURY HIS OWN THIS YEAR NO LATER!!CHILDREN, GRAND CHILDREN HE WON`T PROTECT THEM FOR EVER !!WE WILL FIND THEM AND THE JUSTICE OF THE DEAD WILL PREVAIL!!
ReplyDeleteChaos victims felled by bullets
Story by SAMWEL KUMBA
Publication Date: 2/27/2008
Most people killed during the post-election violence in Western and Nyanza provinces died of bullet wounds, according to a report released Tuesday.
An old man collects valuables after an arson attack at a trading centre during the violence that engulfed the country after the December 27 election. Photo/FILE
Research by the Independent Medico-Legal Unit showed that 91 per cent of victims from Western Province died of gunshot wounds.
Eight others sampled from Kisumu also had the same injuries.
All of your arguments go back to the same point; is tribalism an artificial construct of African politicians? YES!! and we are stupidly being led into it, these negotiations are nothing to do with what you want, whether its KIbaki going into oblivion or gaining more political recognition for your ethnic group, this is elite patronage and power sharing at its highest! And we as Kenyans look so stupid when the rest of the world notices this and we dont. All this suggestions of secession and I dont know what are total nonsense, if Kikuyu's or Luo's or Kalenjin's for example were that bad, there would have been secession a long time ago. So for those who think that matusi is way to go in discussing this issue, GROW UP!! Make the difference by giving factual arguments that can bring people on your side and start making sensible arguments!!
ReplyDeletewe need to start mobilizing forces from western towards nairobi and from coast to the city wiping out all the pnu scoundrels one by one till the country is liberated off this filth.
ReplyDeleteFinancial times? Oh please, they are like the economist, baseless arguments because it is an African country and no one really checks the real truth. Besides, newspapers offer varied views, next week they could be accusing Raila
ReplyDeleteSORRY YEST AGAIN YOU WANT TO ABUSE -, YES i`M A KIKUYU AND i`M MARRIED TO A LUO - SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU I VOTED ODM!!does that make sense to you! you i believe by reading your thread are a kikuyu!!unless you are ready to disown your tribe that is up to you- go back and read your posts here carefully anyone can read between your kikuyu lines!!!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
Anonymous 1.35, you are Kikuyu and i am not. What makes you think your being Kikuyu, luo, Kamba, Maasai has any relevance in debates? W
Anon 2:19
ReplyDeleteI used the Kibaki Kivuitu algorithm, i.e why work when you can just get the end result just like that. And I agree its called plagiarizing, intellectual scavenging and many other glorious names for stealing.
Plus the words didn't move me, but rather mused that if they rock your boat, why not serve them right back at you with a different flavour.
Not sure what you mean by matusi in this context since its our own speech, but if its in your text, right back at you.
ANNON @2:10
ReplyDeleteWell said... I wish there were more relevant posts in here like yours...
where will kenya be 3 months from today ?
6 months from today ?
a year from today ?
5 years from today ?
where would you like Kenya to be in those time frames ?
I for one WANT Kenya to remain as ONE! This talk of dividing kenya is very unpatriotic. Just like the bible story of the two women and solomon with the baby, whoever calls for kenya's division does not have kenya's interests at heart.
I don't care whether it's PNU or ODM- Whoever wants this division is ENEMY #1
I'd also like to see a more equitable kenya. and by equitable, I mean, people at the bottom getting chances of moving up, getting good healthcare and food on the table.
I applaud the government's efforts in providing free primary school education and subsididzed high schhol. I know this will help alot of parents.
I'd also like to see Kenya with a vibrant opposition that keeps the government of the day on it's toes. However, I'm careful not to want an opposition that polarizes kenya on tribes.
I want to see a Kenya with REDUCED Presidentail powers, seriuosly, wee need less powers for our president.
I want to see a kenya that will continue with the economic growtha nd hopefully go into double digit growth. I want to see this growth uplifet the bottom out of poverty!!
I want to see a Kenya with roads that are actually driveable.I want road contractors to be exposed and held to account for their shoddy jobs.I'm not a personal fan of Michuki, but I know at least he'll get the roads built- shiet, he's already started by cancelling crescent construction tender and threatening to follow suit with Kirinyaga construction.
I want to see a kenya that ahs responsible media too.
but most of all I want to see a well fed kenya!!! A Hungry man is an angry man,kenya needs to be well fed.
I invite everyone to answer those questions and say where you want kenay to be in the near future. Please...please No unecessary politicking whether you are PNU or ODM, Just where you want kenya to be as a patriot
Alot of you are talking about ethnic cleansing, Kenya will resemble Rwanda if we go by comments like those of anon 2.33, No Kenyan has to apologise for exercising their vote in support of PNU or ODM neither do they have to justify why they are born into an ethnic group. You cannot change the differences in Kenya, you have to look for commonalities, and one is that our leaders have been useless
ReplyDeleteyou are pathetic with your Raila TZ smear- the usual PNU propaganda!!did Kibaki show you his shit last night after going to the toilet!I hear you were spying on him in the in there.....yuk the murderous small with all the blood on his hands of innocent kenyans!!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
Instead of pointing fingers at one side, start coming up with
SOLUTION TO KENYA, S PROBLEM
ReplyDeleteking Solomon style
Let’s turn to the Bible for a solution to Kenya crisis.
• KIBAKI - PRESIDENT 2 AND A HALF YEARS.
[ELECT MINISTERS BOTH SIDES]
• RAILA -2 AND A HALF YEARS
[ELECT MINISTERS BOTH SIDE]
FOR THE REMAINING PERIOD
EACH ONE TO RETIRE AT THE END OF 2 AND A HALF YEARS
thank You ANNON @ 2:31 for that piece of common sense.
ReplyDeletePeople should articulate their viewpoints and their reasons why, not matusi ya penni mbili all the time when someone disgrees with you...
and whoever quotesd Financial times or the economist as a reliable source are wholly mistaken.
Guys, Let's learn to take with a grain of salt what a mzungu says.
I could say something and have my fellow kenyans dismiss it coz I'm Luo or Kikuyu.But the same mistruth would be said by the wazungu Financial times or their sister publication the economist and it will be FULL PROOF. What a shame/pity ?
Negotiations have failed mainly because elites of one tribe believe the coutry belongs to them, even kalonzo is beleaguard, his home turf is coming to senses he is a lone selfish ranger.
ReplyDeletePeople who fought for second leberation and were short changed must rise up in arms again. Where was Martha Karua when people were marching to kamukunji? where was Ongeri? where was kilonzo? where was Wentagula? Now you can see why kofi Annan is being played again of musical chairs by pnu gutter rats
anon @2.37, its exactly that kind of language that isnt needed, propaganda or not, it has been stated, just refuse to believe it point blank! no one is forcing you to accept it, that is what discussion and debate is all about. And besides, that was something that had been reported by the African press international. Lakini insulting the person who wrote the post goes beyond the point of reasonable argument
ReplyDeleteI agree with anon @2.35, we need to start thinking of where we want Kenya to be, and how we can COLLECTIVELY achieve this
ReplyDeleteanon@2:40 pm
ReplyDeleteplease give me a reliable source? do it, please
It too late engage in academic discourse that wont solve anything. leave that to lecture halls. The stuation in kenya now demands armed struggle asap.
ReplyDeleteFor once, Nation Media Group has seen the light!!!!! Thank GOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=24&newsid=117785
economist and ft are associated and independently owned through a quite complex 3 stage structure to allow editorial independence...unlike the nation; and on africa: can you blame them the way we've messed this opportunity up?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 2.22p.m, I am not sure whether it was seven provinces or six and a half. Eastern Province was 4.7 %, they rounded it off to the nearest whole percentage point, added a zero to point and then rounded it off to the nearest a whole number making it 100% and that makes it seven provinces hence the clarion call for Lesothonization.
ReplyDeleteProvinces like Nairobi where they got 45% the same with N Eastern where they had 44% and were actually second best have been converted to be their territories. All these are crumped up numbers my friend.
Everybody is aware of where kenyan needs to be only that some people think they will wake up one day and like manner from heaven kenya will find itself in the promised land. Tel me which free state did not fight for its liberty fraternity and equality? Why do we want to entrench theft and lies in the national fabric? How you do feel when are in part of kenya where your fate is already sealed by Gema hegemony? where ministerial meeting are held in one mother tongue? I refuse to be cowed i shall fight. Bad luck whoever stand my way
ReplyDeleteANNON @2:46
ReplyDeleteIt's always good to talk to avoid violence.
You seem to favor "armed struggle"
do u know what the consequences of this is?
My dear brethren/ sister, I'd kindly urge you to shut your mouth(with all due respect), UNLESS, For sure, you'll be physically participating in these armed struggle.
If you physically participate, despite us having differnt viewpoints, I'll respect you as someone willing to fight for their belief, true respect,
however if your call is simply rhetoric, then u really need to shut up.
no disrespect intended.
johny bravo
he he he he he !!!
ReplyDeletethe last few frustrated bloggers have learnt that mobs are the same whether they can blog or wield machetes. it doesn't matter whether its an ODM, PNU or whatever blog, those mobs rule the day. the police (blog moderators) are sometimes overwhelmed and sometimes outclassed.
Order will prevail only if true direction, true cohesion, legitimate due process, true leadership and mutual agreement is arrived at (but wait that was meant to be through election and then through mediation)
he he he he he. what a laugh.
in the meantime carry on with the literary (yes I mean literary) rock throwing
doesn't really matter if you agree with the economist or ft. the fact is that they are influential. it's not a kenyan issue simply by the geographical location of kenya; it could never be. you can yell and scream all you want about what they write but it matters; fx. kagame did not talk about the army because he wants to interfere, it's because he has to. i know a lot of people got fed up with the economist because of their briefing last year and the ps of the treasury even published a rebuttal (full of writing mistakes), out of bitterness at corruption being called by its real name. but the gist of that review was: hippoes are messing it up for the professional class in kenya. can you really disagree with that? kenyans believed in change, otherwise they would not have bothered to vote.
ReplyDeleteunless of course yo want to live in zimbabwe - be my guest, it's not where i want my children to grow up. and move beyond your mzungu hate - they don't care and most of them would be more than happy to leave kenya alone (for the Chinese). don't kid yourselves. grow up.
Kurusha mawe na matusi
ReplyDeleteANNON @2:51
ReplyDeleteI used to be a frequent reader of the economist. Some of their pieces are quite good, and it's true they are independnetly owned, that does not mean they are neutral in heir reporting.
I once recall reading the Economist, I think in 04 or 05 or 06....and they had an article about kenya being a "failed state"
AND I was like ??????
I also know they are not in good books with the kenya gava. They were to host an africa economic summit in Nairobi either last year or 06, but the gava cancelled it and from that time, I've never read anything good from them about kenya.That's why I know their reporting is very unbalanced.
so you are saying kenya is not a failed state? the level of corruption was at its highest in 04/05 and now you see the result. things can't be isolated: the kenya state has been a fief for a few people for too long. they often get it wrong, but in this case i fear not. they are also honest about having a specific free trade approach - in fact it's their stated religion. they are owned in a three fold structure with A shares with special votes held mainly by the rothschilds, schroeders and mr chocolate - cadburys. mind you they were harder on berlusconi of italy than they ever were on kenya - it's not an africa europe thing; sorry of you wanted it to be - there is no easy way out. we must take responsibility ourselves;
ReplyDelete@ 3:00PM
ReplyDeleteAti u want your kids to grow up and "move beyond mzungu hate"
LMAO.....lol..that was funny, for real.
In an ideal world, that would be a very noble aspiration to have.
But when your kids grow up, live in a mzungu society and really understand what mzungus think of them, then feel free to re-evaluate your position on this.
I once thought that akataz were just bitter lossers in life, always complaining about how "the man" yaani mzungu has kept them down. Some akataz are genuinly negative and lazya nd all, but once you study the History of the U.S. and the brutality of these wazungu toward the blackman, I highly think you'd change your position.
Don't think that akatz haven't tried to avoid this mzungu hate..they have tried for some 300 years but expereince has taught them of the mzungu really is.
I'm not sayin your kids should hate wazungu, no, there's good and bad people in all races, but let them know who they really are and that they may as well hate yur kids despite smiling with them in their faces.
anon @2.55, political hegemony will always exist, it exists in the states with Americans of european origin, it exists with the english in UK, it exists in Africa. And whoever said ati academia is irrelevant now, it is even more relevant, if people understood that ethnicity is artificially constructed, then they would understand that it is used as a vehicle by politicians to achieve their own goals at the expense of development of the regions and the country because the provision of public goods (which are for everyone and include roads, schools etc)is far more difficult is where there is ethnic rivalry. That is why Kenyans must start looking at thinkgs in terms of what for them is the best environment for their lives to thrive? Is it when one tribe is marginalized? Is it when all tribes have the common vision of a better Kenya? A better Kenya will never be achieved through 'armed struggle' - if you think that look around you, there is no time for that, we aint Europe!
ReplyDeleteANNON@3:06
ReplyDeleteI did not say it was an africa europe thing.It's just that they ahve bitter grapes/gripes with the kenya gava over their summit cancellation. Surley I don't expect their reporting to be balanced, No way.
Just the way after the standard Raid, I did not expect the standard newspaper to speak favorably or objectively about the government.
The Economist are owned by the Rotschilds ? that is not a good point to support your argument...
do u know the history of the rothschild banking dynasty ?
do ur reasearch on that family.
anon @ 3.06, even Zimbabwe is not viewed as a failed state, there is no way Kenya is and Zim isnt. Kenya is a crisis state
ReplyDeleteANNON @ 3:11
ReplyDeleteI did not say Kenya is a failed state.
I said that- I lost Interest in reading the economist when they declared kenya a failed state in 04-06, can't remember the exact year.
thanks for all the comments; the point is that the economist is loathed by power brokers because they write what they think; of course you can disagree - and for sure they thought it was funny that the kenya government behaved like offended kids and cancelled the conference - kenya has and had more to loose from that than the economist. rothschilds are bankers no more no less (although a piece of art here and there has tried to soften the blow of that trade on humanity - including the economist it seems); again this idea that everyone hates kenyan's; it's really striking how low our self confidence is. true the black man has not had a great time for a long time; but at this point we are our own enemies; we are the ones fighting our wars. someone with a lot of confidence in himself and what he is doing does not get offended and cancels a conference, he stands up on hs arguments. seems to me that even in the us where race has always been determinant of elections that barack obama is doing quite well?
ReplyDeleteall i'm saying is that we need to stop playing the offended colonial card, the anti-economist card, all those anti-cards that make us look smaller and less confident than we need be. There is plenty of wealth in kenya to go round.
and ask any maid for whom she would rather work...white, kenyan or indian...oups now it got complicated ;) some kenyans are kept like slaves in their own country and don't we forget that. but as kibaki is learning it cannot be a whole people.
ANNON 3:36
ReplyDeleteGood post.
I stopped reading the economist coz I knew they'l never report fairly anything the kenya gava does.
I was very dissapointed by the gvt's action to cancel that conference coz the economist had bad mouthed them.
Infact who ever made that call made a bad decison.
I mean, that would have been the perfect moment to show these economist writers just how much kenya ahd changed. It was the wrong time to throw tantrums, it really made the gava look bad.
The gava should engage in retro PR, Yaani turning bad sitautaions to good.
habari wakenya!
ReplyDeletejust discovered this site and oh boy there is war on here- so lets begin you can all throw the rocks at me- because I`m a mixed grill- my father is half masai and half kuk and my mother is half luo half luhya and they met while studying in the 70`s uku kwenye baridi Canada so if anyone needs a punching place use me!
so now what is the latest back home!! seriously!! no propaganda!I`m a Kenyan that`s it!! no other label!!
ANNON @ 3:36
ReplyDeleteYou said kenya has enough wealth to go around ?
Tel me then, how do we get more people out of poverty and into the middle classes within the next 3-4 years?
The reason I say the next 3-4 years is coz I know these changes cannot happen overnight as Raila lied to his supporters.
anyway, politics kando, how do u suggest this happens ? I know there are major infrustructure projects underway to be done in 4 yrs and it's why I say or ask- how do we move people from poverty to middle class in that time?
I beleive you do that by moving some of the production industries out of the central districts i.e we have the free zone area in Athi river- do we have the same in Rift valley -western - nyanza - north eastern- why not build factories and get more employment in this areas to stop the over flow of people rushing into the city looking for work and ending up in the slum areas ie kibera!!
ReplyDeleteexample which area`s grow more maize meal!!why is it ferried all the way to Nairobi for production!!
Minerals which part of kenya has this minerals !how many feasibility studies have been done and how has the wealth been divided-!!
what shares does the government own in this industries!!can some of the money be used to developed the towns that this said factories are in not to be handled like the cases of our city councils(nothing works)
ReplyDeletehhhmmm @ ANNON 3:52
ReplyDeleteWhat if the facories and insutries being set up in Athi River say that- the reason we set up shop here is coz of the transport network and accesibility, Mombasa road, JKIA, etc.
I know there's a plan to turn Isiolo into a resort town/city.
I understand contracts were signed by the government and individual people on this minerals- should`t the country or government take full ownership for all Kenyan minerals and oil!! this will in turn enrich kenya - then help with the development of our country through our natural resources!!
ReplyDeleteANNON @3:55
ReplyDeleteAt tIMES i DON'T advocate for government intervention or engaging in business, let the market handle business.
But at times, I do advocate for this, especially in delicate economies like kenya.
I do not advocate for the government running Telkom, so they sold it, which is a good move.
However, today's decision by the gvt to directly import crude from cheaper areas and distribute it is welcome. Coz left to the market forces, the kenyan petrol comapnies have been screwing us for so many years.
I guess that's why it's called a mixed economy
well the maize mill factory can be set in the rift valley - good roads a re plenty and the market goes through to supply even sudan !!all those trucks come back with the finished product and pass through the rift valley to the uganda and then sudan!!what is the point!!
ReplyDeleteThe government sold Kenya Railways to a south african firm and guess what, This Firm has dissapointed. It has not delivered the way it was thought.
ReplyDeleteWhen the government privatized Kenya airways, the airline grw and became very successful. So did Safricom, But Kenya railways is a dissapointment.
I hope these guys can sell and let it be under someone more competent
The economist can hold skewed views, but thats journalism, there are quite a few times it has been proved wrong, but other times its spot on. As for Kenyan minerals, they should be a public good, whereby the returns to the government through tax should be re'invested in the national development
ReplyDeleteI know Rift Valley and more so Eldoret has begun benefiting from their Airport.
ReplyDeleteAlot of farmers are now encouraged to grow produce for export and transport it to that airport where it's easily flown staright to Europe.
But now Ith Dubai building their own international flower auction to compete with Netherlands, farmers in Rift valley should really take advanatge of this airport facility. especially all those flower farms in naivasha.
ANNON @4:06
ReplyDeleteAbout kenyan minerals, what minerals does kenya have ?
I remember from primary education kenya had fluospar? what the hell is fluospar and what is it used for ?
@4:07 PM
ReplyDeleteNow that is what I call progress silent economic Majimboism. It is coming, It is coming!
ANNON @ 4:07
ReplyDeleteYou should know that this airport was a DUD, It was a white elephant, waste of money during the MOI Years.
It only came into useful productivity under the kibaki administration.
Hey Kibaki Adminstration shut down that Airport. Plus, I don't care whether it was a white elephant or a waste of money. It is now going to serve a purpose. As, people in Western Kenya learn to be self reliant and 'HARD WORKING'
ReplyDeleteon the kenya Railways I know they were hunting for a partner hair in Canada- recently- did you know that deal of south Africa had some Uganda ownership!!some of museveni`s hatch men i hear meseveni has also share in that consortium
ReplyDeleteso you see why it failed- i also hear there was a power struggle on share control between the south African partners and the Ugandan while Kenya was asleep!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI know Rift Valley and more so Eldoret has begun benefiting from their Airport.
totally agree and maybe they should also go into spices production that is good $ in the middle east
so a spice factory can be built from production up to packaging for export
WHAT KENYANS NEED TO REALISE IS THAT KENYA BELONGS TO MORE THAN 30 MILLION PEOPLE.
ReplyDeleteRAILA AND KIBAKI SHOULD NOT AND I REPEAT SHOULD NOT, 100 TIMES MAKE OUR LIFE MISERABLE BECAUSE OF POWER HUNGER.
I`M A KENYAN AND I`M SO UPSET THAT TWO (2) INDIVIDUALS CAN DICTATE OUR FUTURE.
IT`S TIME THAT THIS TWO PEOPLE REALISE THAT WE ARE THE POWER, WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO PAY THEM AND SO FAR, THEY DO NOT DESERVE A SINGLE CENT FROM OUR TAX MONEY.
THIS OLD-KANU CROOKS CAN SURVIVE ON ALL THE MONEY THEY HAVE SIPHONED IN FOREIGN BANKS, MONEY THAT THEY STOLE FROM OUR SWEAT.
KENYANS WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION TODAY AND GET RIDE OF THIS THIEVES.
SORRY I`M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT MY FAMILY WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING SO HARD TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
-AND HERE COMES RAILA AND KIBAKI. THEY HAVE NEVER LIVED IN A HOUSE WITHOUT ELECTRICITY, NO RUNNING WATER, NO HEALTH CARE, THEY HAVE NEVER WALKED TO SCHOOL.THEY DRIVE THE MOST EXPENSIVE CARS. THE COST OF THOSE CARS CAN FEED A WHOLE VILAGE. THIS ARE NEO-COLONIALSTS EVEN WORSE THAN THE BRITISH.
PLEASE..PLEASE...WE DESERVE TO SEND THEM HOME AND THAT`S A DONE DEAL.
KENYA IS OUR MOTHER COUNTRY.
THEY SHOULD BOTH RETIRE. THEY ARE SENILE.
AND I MEAN THAT.
FULL STOP..!
ANNON @4:24
ReplyDeleteBut that shouldn't affect kenya's part of the operation?
remember also kina Moi, Gideon his son, kina Biwott have some equity in Safaricom thru that Mobitelea company, but that did not stop Safcom from being sucessful.
I surely hope They get a good canadian partner coz that Roy Puffet is all talk, no action, even kenya ports complain about this guy...
as for ANNON 4:24, whatever makes u happy about the Eldie Airport.
But I just have to ask u...How can Kibaki administartion shut down Eldie airprot and it is currently operating?
The Airprot was brought under KAA, Kenya airports authority, they're the ones who run it, and KAA is part of the government.
It seems u really hate kibaki-that's ur prerogative, but let's not be blind to the facts, remember, money doesn;t discriminate.
That's why kibaki, Moi and Njonjo despite their political differences, still own companies 2gether like Heri Ltd.
Just the same way Michuki must not be liked, I'm sure people are happy he's the Roads minister, coz we all know he'll get that job done
I`m looking for someone with good land to build some prefab houses (estate) from 500-1000 in kenya-and continue( this will only take 6 months and training for local builders is offered too- i have the company that builds them -what i need is to come and set up the mock ones from 2 bedrooms to 5 bedrooms this ones look like those beautiful houses you can get in riverside or karen good material beautiful design- town houses single units name it and they are structured to be constructed very fast!!
ReplyDeleteany kenyan with someone or land in mind in some good areas!! this can be build in anywhere in KENYAéé
OF COURSE AFTER PEACE IS RESTORED!!!
ReplyDeleteANNON @4:32
ReplyDeleteSpices willd efinitely do well for export.
I think Eldie has good enough climate for the growth of those things.
which is nearer? Naivasha to Eldie or Naivasha to Nairobi ?
ANNON @4:37
ReplyDeleteCheck the NHC, National housing corp in kenya for better info. They are hungry to build affordable homes in kenya and we'll have more detailed stats and info for you
@4:38
ReplyDeleteTrue, only after Peace is restored. However, if we continue to talk about peace and how to restore it, we'll just end up with matusi of sijui ODM is evil, PNU is evil, mara Raila did that, Kibaki did this...basically no maendeleo.
It's better we talk about issues which everyone should have an interest in and that is maendeleo and devloping the economy further
Actually I don`t think people hate the individuals but what they stand for or did when they could have corrected things for ordinary kenyans- it is good to be rich- but not on ordinary kenyans sweat!!when people sign contracts through tenders that are not advertised correctly because of being connected it is wrong- when people get opportunites to get richer and richer to the expense of other kenyans it is wrong so what this people did and the millions they made was wrongly attained - so you see people don`t admire then for being rich but they hate then for getting rich on ordinary kenyans backs since this same kenyans pay taxes to the government - which in turn does not provide to their needs ie - not enough hospitals for the sick- no proper roads - no enough clean drinking water - housing is a nightmare e.t.c
ReplyDeletehate builds up when people are not given equal opportunities even when they have gone and had a good education- there are many young Kenyans with degrees but jobless-
the old guard stay in jobs for ever so again there id no movement in the job market for example in government offices!!
anon@ 4:36 PM
ReplyDelete..'It seems u really hate kibaki-that's ur prerogative'
Hate is an understatement. I like him the way a Jew likes Hitler. Got it?
But anyway Kibaki shutdown the Eld airport until politicians and business people made noise. It is only the current crisis that has made the airport fully utilizable.
Anyway that is a mute point, soon Kenya will be divided and Kibaki will have his own country. Most of us in western Kenya will frankly not miss him a bit
@ Chris
ReplyDeletewhich minister threw a tantrum at the talks or is it had a nervous break down, this powersharing thing must be very hot for some people to handle.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
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Kenya has gold, phosphate- soda ash in magadi, gemstones in the coast and eastern pert of the country, silica sand for making glass, gypsum and iron or for the cement industry and lead for use in the manufacture for batteries, granite and limestone are being used for our building industry
Oil now in the pipe line
you see all this industries have not yet been fully developed to full capacity and the other problems are not many kenyans are aware of this minerals so deal are done with government friendly persons with foreign companies - so this is all for individual well!
my preference would have been minerals concessions should not belong to an individual but to a whole town or village if one does not want to involve the state and this is what should help build all this smaller towns infrastructures- ie. roads =- hospitals -schools- clean water e.t.c
Anonymous Anonymous said...
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Spices willd efinitely do well for export.
Eldy has an airport so no problem and Naivasha will export through «nairobi
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
ANNON @4:32
Spices willd ddefinitely do well for export.
do you have some land that we can utilize for this spice project
anon@5:03 PM
ReplyDeleteYou have nice thoughts. BUT, do you think the 'owners' of this country alias the hard workers will let any one own anything?
Why do you think we are fighting and why do you think they hate devolution and power to the people? Because they want to grab economic stake
Your thoughts are great....'
my preference would have been minerals concessions should not belong to an individual but to a whole town or village if one does not want to involve the state and this is what should help build all this smaller towns infrastructures- ie. roads =- hospitals -schools- clean water e.t.c..' But, they will not come to fruition with the current crony, ethnic capitalism
4.57 i am sure it is the one and only......martha karua!
ReplyDeleteis there anybody foolish enough to do so? i know standard are trying to cover it up-the insinuation is that it could have been ongeri or wetangula but am sure it was that lady.
what does mutula mean when he says 'they havent seen ongeri distraught like that?'....???? a
annon @ 5:03 and annon @ 5:13
ReplyDeleteDind'nt we try the community ownership thing of minerals in the coast with that Titanium project, only for politicians to mobilize the locals and try to stall the project..by the way , what became of that titanium thing at the coast? did it go thru or is it a DUD ?
Annon @ 4:52, as I said if u hate kibz, that's up to you...ati politicians made noise mpaka the airport was open? yaani they'd been quiet for all those years in Moi times but "all of a sudden" made noise...ha ha ha...
I'm sorry to dissapoint you but kenya is not being divided, it's what Ruto and the rest would like but it ain't happening.
and just in case u didn't know I don't know how some parts of kenya would even survive being Nairobi accounts for 60 % of kenya's GDP.
nORTH EASTERN WOULD MOST DEFINITELY die.
It seems Kisumu is going with life, they are eager to re-build, they saw that self destruction benefits no one in the end.
let's see who'l heed this call for mass protests tommorrow, that should tell us the real story.
My problem is that Ordinary Kenyans "POOR PEOPLE" have no idea how much our country is worth.
ReplyDeleteWe Kenyans are sitting on a Gold mine that have never been exploited."BUT ONLY BY kENYATTA MOI,ODINGA`S,BIWOTT, RUTO,KOSGEY, KOSKEI,AND JIRONGO.
But the Kenyattas, Mois, kibakis,Railas know that.
THAT`S WHY KILLING 1500 PEOPLE FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT IS NOT A BIG DEAL.
SIPHONING BILLIONS OF $$DOLLARS TO DENMARK, SWITZERLAND, UK,AMERICA, NIGERIA, SOUTH AFRICA, AUSTRALIA AND AUSTRIA DOES NOT HELP KENYANS. When we look at Railas` and Kibakis` faces we see THIEVES. People who have deprived ordinary Kenyans their wealth and deposited that stolen wealth abroad for the white people to use, Biwotts wife, mwangales wife and Moi`s girlfriend benefit from that, while ordinary Kenyans who work so. so hard and pay taxes suffer and scratch their ass..
I don`t know, but i think thats what make Kenyans angry. Getting "kutombwa mpaka maskio."
Anon 6:10 Yes Kisumu is going on with life and yes they are eager to rebuild, but pls note with clean money, clean business and clean people
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ReplyDeleteOkay I was comparing notes with friends from the continent (names withheld to protect the innocent)...
ReplyDeleteI remember there was a lot of clamor when one scientist said that africans are incapable of handling power because of genetics, apparently there is a power-responsibility gene that africans lack. could this be true...I mean why can't africans handle their affairs with posterity in mind..all the billions they steal they leave here on earth...they fight for change...when they get into power they stifle the same change they are clamoring for...please tell me this is not true because I am now afraid to run for for political office because my genetical make up will let me down at the crucial moment....worried African..
Ati Mass Action? What mass action? Mass action after 1997 has only existed in "Professor" Anyang Nyong'os (Please note the quotation marks before 'new Kamotho's'name) little head. This so called Professor is so delusional he thinks people are so muh afraid of his "million-man match" of only him, shikuku, parochial Ruto, James Magara, Joseph Nkaissery and adolescent Namwamba. Let them enjoy the cameras while making big fools outta themselves tomorrow. I will be up early. What again is the time of the million-man match?
ReplyDeleteAnnon 10: PM - stop this historian white-black complex. Kenya and Africa in general have overcome this a long time ago. Do you really think that people like Biwott, Mwangale, Njonjo and even Kenyatta have become corrupt because they were married to a White ? I mention Kenyatta since his second wife was white before he got married to Mama Ngina for political reasons - do you want to blame everybody who went to bed with a white now? Then you have to count millions of Africans including some of our most esteemed young sons. Be reasonable here. The root of the sickness lies in everybody himself and not just in a small part of his body.
ReplyDeleteCHARLES.NAIROBI.
ReplyDeleteIf the Annan talks fail...the government will definetly be blamed.PNU says its a Kenyan Problem which needs a Kenyan solution! What then is that solution.!.do we return where we were before Annan came.
Remember THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN-on LIVE TV!...apparently a certain community allied to the THIEF- through DIALECT ONLY refuses to accept the reality on the ground...it is sad they are ready to spill even their own blood and DESTROY their country due to ONE TRIBAL HYENAS GREEDY AMBITIONS.!Kibaki and his fellow GOONS led by MARTHA- PITHECUS we have said hundreds of times WERE NEVER INTERESTED IN THE TALKS...IN THE FIRST PLACE!
ANNAN is it looks is fed up with PNU NONSENSE....they are probably content this HURRIED PRESIDENT is disasatrously the commander in chief of our trustworthy forces!
The more the talks are delayed ,the more TENSE this country becomes....GENOCIDAL GENERAL ALI and his troops are too few to avert the impending disaster being carefully groomed by PNU!
The bomb that will destroy Kenya has been activated..perfectly set-up by PNU...its just a matter of time!
Anon 12:32, cheka or u are trying to put on a brave face like Kimunya...Tumewazoea, the 5 people you have mentioned are able to make Nrb be at a standstill....Just the mention of mass action make some people not go to work, consult the Nrb stock exchange (ur pet) and they will give you more info and apparently wasn't it mass action that made Kibaki cringe the other day when they were busy saying that Kuffour had come for a cup of tea. DOn't display your ignorance and the adolescent Namwaba is more a man than you awho can stand against a dictatorial regime rather than you who hide under his tribal outfit....Kwani ni mbaya na Moi na ni nzuri na Kibaki....Moi was president for 24 years but no one lifted a finger against his tribesmen...Ask yourself where did we go wrong rather than chest thumping over here you should have sought for ways tomorrow on how to build homes for your displaced brothers and sisters in the RV.
ReplyDeleteOn a positive note
ReplyDeleteAnon 4:37 PM
Am an Architect and would be interested in get in contact with you.
studio@studio7071.net
lets hope things are settled an we can build kenyans n kenya's image up.
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I`m looking for someone with good land to build some prefab houses (estate) from 500-1000 in kenya-and continue( this will only take 6 months and training for local builders is offered too- i have the company that builds them -what i need is to come and set up the mock ones from 2 bedrooms to 5 bedrooms this ones look like those beautiful houses you can get in riverside or karen good material beautiful design- town houses single units name it and they are structured to be constructed very fast!!
any kenyan with someone or land in mind in some good areas!! this can be build in anywhere in KENYAéé
ABABU..ALI BABA, What's this clowns name? watever..This guy is still in puberty, he's all of a sudden starting to get attraction toward girls...yaani classic adole!!
ReplyDeletewhen he grows up to be a man, we'll start listening to him, as for now, he can do what he does best, kisising raial's ass till it turns white...domo domo domo, but his is supersized domo kama zile supersize meals za Mc Donalds!
ANNON YU SAID "Yes Kisumu is going on with life and yes they are eager to rebuild, but pls note with clean money, clean business and clean people"
ReplyDeleteha ha, u make me laugh...ati "clean" people in kisumu? you're funny, but keep dreaming...
ANNON YU SAID "Yes Kisumu is going on with life and yes they are eager to rebuild, but pls note with clean money, clean business and clean people"
ReplyDeleteha ha, u make me laugh...ati "clean" people in kisumu? you're funny, but keep dreaming...
Anon at 8:06am, I'd rather take the "clean" people in Kisumu any day than the "roaches" from Central in a lifetime.
ReplyDeleteANNON @ 8:46 you just hate kikuyus -period. Just say it instead of hiding behind this talk of idioms and clues.. just say it- u hate kikuyus.
ReplyDeleteANNON@ 8:46
ReplyDeleteKisumu residents must be the dumbest herds of humans I ever saw.... yaani u are angry at the election results and as such u destroy your own home??....LOL.. I don't know whether to cry or laugh....kuna binadam wajinga kweli...
That was absolute STUPIDITY....
but at least sense is coming abck to those people, I see they are going on with life..
lakini that ujinga .....too much, kenyatta should have let idi amin take kisumu when he wanted to invade, that would have been UG's problem, complete idiots
coming back to the 'black -white issue' = changing a good African into a bad one:
ReplyDeleteAlso Annan is married to a white.
Does this mean that also he is 'one of these poor men having fallen under the spell of a white - and therefore having changed from good to bad?
anon @ 9:21, You must be one the dumbest PNU blowhards, you ought to know fact before you speak, in Kisumu, they targeted only the biasharas for 'ADUI', the town is not as it was portrayed in the media and they made sure that 'ADUI' had to roll, they can go back to the slopes, keep reading you 'Nation' and watch 'KBC' for news and you will be very enlightened.
ReplyDeleteanon @ 9:21 it will be the reverse/opposite really soon, "Lesotho"
ReplyDeleteANNON 11:41
ReplyDeleteThanks for opening your stinky mouth and proving me right.
Yes, these idiots attacked ADUI no doubt, they must really ahte themselves for them to burn down buildings that house businessess (where they work ), retail stores ( owned by indians-Ukwala) where they shop,
Hospitals and schools where they take their kids,,
lol..haha, kweli you are dumber than I thought.
U hate urself that much mpaka yu destroy your most important institutions...why not just commit suicide mara one ?
even baboons don't destroy their homes, but yet again, it's herd mentality kama zebu cows...
dumbclots!