What analysts and insiders have to say is so fascinating that it almost borders on the bizarre.
President Al Bashir of Sudan in Nairobi for the promulgation of the new constitutionBut first some shocking inside information. President Al Bashir left Kenya very hurriedly after the ceremony at Uhuru Park and although he came in through Wilson Airport, he left via the Moi Air base using the presidential jet. His own jet was left idling on the runaway at Wilson airport where unconfirmed reports indicate that a trap to attempt to arrest him had been set. It is not clear who may have been behind this gallant move to arrest Bashir but there are claims that the Americans were heavily involved (unofficially because they never signed the Rome statute). But this raises more questions than answers including the big one. Would it be possible to “unofficially” arrest a visiting head of state who has been invited by the host nation?
Anyway nagging questions aside, all this happened after the military were instructed to cut down dramatically on their rehearsed parade so that the function would be speeded up and completed much earlier. It is believed the main reason was to ensure Al Bashir’s safe exit out of Kenya. Some insiders go as far as saying that Kibaki was advised by NSIS chief Michael Gichangi that there were plans under way to attempt to arrest Al Bashir. The panic from this news is what is said to have caused the military parade and the ceremony to be cut short. Bashir was then smuggled out of Uhuru Park to State House and on to Moi Air Base Eastleigh for a quick flight back to Khartoum. He skipping the state luncheon and abandoned his own plane at Wilson Airport.
Not forgetting that Wilson airport was shut down for the first time in the history of the country solely for the use of President Al Bashir.
Skeptics who dispel the whole story about the behind the scenes drama over the basher story are hard pressed to explain why he entered and exited the country at different points.
Now the big question here is why would somebody take all this trouble caused by the invitation of a single guest to Nairobi? What would make all this trouble worth it? What was the main political objective?
There is mounting evidence that the Bashir visit was aimed at discrediting the ICC and its’ efforts to get to the bottom of the 2007 post-election violence that left so many Kenyans maimed raped and dead. Some of the chief perpetuators of the crimes against humanity committed mainly in January 2008 after the stolen election of late December are senior people in government who are very close to the president and he is keen that they are let off the hook. Hence all the Bashir acrobatics to score pints against the ICC and create an impression of how toothless they are. It is interesting to note that ICC special prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo revealed during one of his visits into the country that the ICC’s intervention had blocked Bashir from a planned visit to Uganda at the request of President Yoweri Museveni. Bashir’s toothy constant grin to the cameras in Nairobi was no doubt mainly for the benefit of the ICC. Bashir was telling them, “catch me if you can.”
More interestingly most political analysts agree that the plan worked and that indeed a lot of thunder has been stolen from the tempo created by ICC more so recently when they fully set up shop in the country to prepare for the impending prosecutions. These analysts insist that this master political stroke by Kibaki will be difficult to reverse and will have an impact on the planned prosecutions in Kenya. For instance the whole issue has attracted attention and given more credence to the cowardly ruling by the African Union to ask the ICC to withdraw the arrest warrant against Al Bashir.
See also:
Open letter to Ocampo from concerned Kenyans
Kumekucha's controversial Kalamari talks about the AU's decision on Bashir
If that was indeed Mwai Kibaki's plan, then shame on baba. To disrupt the most important ceremony in urban Kenya to convinience a fugitive's escape was too shallow, even for our election-rigging President.
ReplyDeleteNow to address the elephant in the room, I am personally disgusted by the U.S's arrogance. Yes, we know you can enter developing countries (iraq, afghanistan...) and destroy them for your sick pleasure. This is Kenya, my friends, and while we are not as nosy as you are, we know what is good for our region's stability.
On Bashir, ICC knows where he stays, go get him, and prove you are not as fangless as Kibaki wishes.
@Chris,
ReplyDeletePlease leave HE Omar alone. He is a neighbour and a muslim. Before you are accused of bashing Muslims, you better listen to Hon Kimunya about the hierachy of LOCAL-REGIONAL-GLOBAL interests.
Kenya is to important for Bashir to ignore that is he SKIPPED the inconsequential Kampala and Kigali is not even a neighbour.
Wacha Omar atulete MAFUTA tena. And we are soverign, just ask OAU, sorry AU (what is the difference with all vowels?)
New Cold War for Oil at its best. But, in the high sounding name of genocide to fool the gullible!
ReplyDeleteThere are two main rebel groups fighting in Sudan's Darfur region against the Khartoum central government of President Omar al-Bashir – the Justice for Equality Movement (JEM) and the larger Sudan Liberation Army (SLA).
In February 2003 the SLA launched attacks on Sudan government positions in the Darfur region.
SLA Secretary-General Minni Arkou Minnawi called for armed struggle, accusing the government of ignoring Darfur. "The objective of the SLA is to create a united democratic Sudan.” Meaning, regime change in Sudan.
The US Senate then adopted a resolution in February 2006 that requested North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops in Darfur, as well as a stronger U.N. peacekeeping force with a robust mandate. A month later, President Bush also called for additional NATO forces in Darfur.
More so, the Pentagon has been busy training African military officers in the US, much as it has for Latin American officers for decades.
Its International Military Education and Training (IMET) program has provided training to military officers from Chad, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Cameroon and the Central African Republic, in effect every country on Sudan’s border. Why?
Much of the arms that have fuelled the killing in Darfur and the south have been brought in via murky, protected private “merchants of death” such as the notorious former KGB operative, now with offices in the US, Victor Bout.
Bout has been cited repeatedly in recent years for selling weapons across Africa. US Government officials strangely leave his operations in Texas and Florida untouched despite the fact he is on the Interpol wanted list for money laundering.
US oil majors have known about Sudan’s oil wealth since the early 1970’s. In 1979, Jafaar Nimeiry, Sudan head of state, broke with the Soviets and invited Chevron to develop oil in the Sudan.
That was perhaps a fatal mistake. UN Ambassador George H.W. Bush had personally told Nimeiry of satellite photos indicating oil in Sudan. Nimeiry took the bait. Wars over oil have been the consequence ever since.
Chevron found big oil reserves in southern Sudan. It spent $1.2 billion finding and testing them.
That oil triggered what is called Sudan’s second civil war in 1983.
Supplied with US military aid, training and weapons, Deby of Chad launched the initial strike that set off the conflict in Darfur, using members of his elite Presidential Guard who originate from the province, providing the men with all terrain vehicles, arms and anti-aircraft guns to Darfur rebels fighting the Khartoum government in the southwest Sudan.
As such, the US military support to Deby in fact was the trigger for the Darfur bloodbath. Khartoum reacted and the ensuing debacle was unleashed in full tragic force.
US military objectives in Darfur – and the Horn of Africa more widely – are being served at present by the US and NATO backing of the African Union troops in Darfur.
There NATO provides ground and air support for AU troops who are categorized as “neutral” and “peacekeepers.”
So, Sudan is at war on three fronts, each country – Uganda, Chad, and Ethiopia – with a significant US military presence and ongoing US military programs.
The war in Sudan involves both US covert operations and US trained “rebel” factions coming in from South Sudan, Chad, Ethiopia and Uganda.
NB: The Darfur war is a war to dismantle Sudan like Yugoslavia/Iraq/Lebanon.
New Cold War for Oil at its best. But, in the high sounding name of genocide to fool the gullible!
ReplyDeleteThere are two main rebel groups fighting in Sudan's Darfur region against the Khartoum central government of President Omar al-Bashir – the Justice for Equality Movement (JEM) and the larger Sudan Liberation Army (SLA).
In February 2003 the SLA launched attacks on Sudan government positions in the Darfur region.
SLA Secretary-General Minni Arkou Minnawi called for armed struggle, accusing the government of ignoring Darfur. "The objective of the SLA is to create a united democratic Sudan.” Meaning, regime change in Sudan.
The US Senate then adopted a resolution in February 2006 that requested North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops in Darfur, as well as a stronger U.N. peacekeeping force with a robust mandate. A month later, President Bush also called for additional NATO forces in Darfur.
More so, the Pentagon has been busy training African military officers in the US, much as it has for Latin American officers for decades.
Its International Military Education and Training (IMET) program has provided training to military officers from Chad, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Cameroon and the Central African Republic, in effect every country on Sudan’s border. Why?
Much of the arms that have fuelled the killing in Darfur and the south have been brought in via murky, protected private “merchants of death” such as the notorious former KGB operative, now with offices in the US, Victor Bout.
Bout has been cited repeatedly in recent years for selling weapons across Africa. US Government officials strangely leave his operations in Texas and Florida untouched despite the fact he is on the Interpol wanted list for money laundering.
US oil majors have known about Sudan’s oil wealth since the early 1970’s. In 1979, Jafaar Nimeiry, Sudan head of state, broke with the Soviets and invited Chevron to develop oil in the Sudan.
That was perhaps a fatal mistake. UN Ambassador George H.W. Bush had personally told Nimeiry of satellite photos indicating oil in Sudan. Nimeiry took the bait. Wars over oil have been the consequence ever since.
Chevron found big oil reserves in southern Sudan. It spent $1.2 billion finding and testing them.
That oil triggered what is called Sudan’s second civil war in 1983.
Supplied with US military aid, training and weapons, Deby of Chad launched the initial strike that set off the conflict in Darfur, using members of his elite Presidential Guard who originate from the province, providing the men with all terrain vehicles, arms and anti-aircraft guns to Darfur rebels fighting the Khartoum government in the southwest Sudan.
As such, the US military support to Deby in fact was the trigger for the Darfur bloodbath. Khartoum reacted and the ensuing debacle was unleashed in full tragic force.
US military objectives in Darfur – and the Horn of Africa more widely – are being served at present by the US and NATO backing of the African Union troops in Darfur.
There NATO provides ground and air support for AU troops who are categorized as “neutral” and “peacekeepers.”
So, Sudan is at war on three fronts, each country – Uganda, Chad, and Ethiopia – with a significant US military presence and ongoing US military programs.
The war in Sudan involves both US covert operations and US trained “rebel” factions coming in from South Sudan, Chad, Ethiopia and Uganda.
NB: The Darfur war is a war to dismantle Sudan like Yugoslavia/Iraq/Lebanon.
And, while at it bwana Chris, why are we silent on Kagame? Or, we have not been told to shout about his genocide by our Western masters at the ICC?
ReplyDeleteSample this:
On August 26, the French newspaper Le Monde revealed the existence of a draft UN report on the most serious violations of human rights in the Democratic Republic of Congo over an eleven-year period (1993-2003).
The massive draft report states that after the Rwandan Patriotic Front's takeover of Rwanda in 1994, it proceeded to carry out "systematic and widespread attacks" against Hutu refugees who had fled Rwanda to neighboring Zaire (now the DRC) as well as against the Hutu civilian population of the DRC in general.
Crucially, it concludes that the pattern of these attacks:
"reveal[s] a number of damning elements that, if they were proven before a competent court, could be classified as crimes of genocide."
mmmmm, was Kagame not in Nairobi like Bashir? Or, Kagame is a progressive African leader as CNN, BBC teaches us?
@Mwangerethe,
ReplyDeleteWhere were we when 900,000 - 1,200,000 were being massacred?
Paul Kagame continues to surprise his detractors and sworn enemies of Rwanda. Furthermore, he is still considered by many to be Africa's biggest success story.
He has helped steer Rwanda away from becoming a failed state like the Democratic Republic of Congo and Somalia.
A scenerio the French and Belgians had desperately hoped for, but fortunately, their calculated wishes never came true.
And, another obervation. The French and the Belgians no longer have any credibility with regard to all things Rwandan.
They failed the Rwandan nation and its people in their critical hour of need. And all they have been trying to do since October 19, 1996 is propagate their malicious version of revisionist history of Rwandan Genocide.
Its the French, Belgians and the United Nations that should be inicted, and not President Paul Kagame.
The French and Belgian nations are so pissed off at President Paul Kagame because he encouraged Rwandans to dump the French language in favour of English, causing the two nation to lose some one of the many remnants of their colonial footprints on the African continent.
In the end, it's the Rwandan people who saved themselves, thanks to the RPF under the leadership of none other than their own native son, Paul Kagame.
The Rwandan Genocide took place while the rest of the world was either dazed, fatigued, inconsiderate, confused, or it just didn't care about anymore about Rwanda's impending fate.
Trivia question: who was financing Jean Kambanda's royal lifestyle during his stay in Nairobi, Kenya?
What were they thinking? Why did someone or a group of misguided individuals in the current system of government decide to extend an official invitation to Omar al-Bashir? What were they thinking?
ReplyDeleteCASUALTIES OF WAR IN DARFUR.
Over 300,000 civilians (non-Arab peoples) killed.
Over 2,850,000 civilians (non-Arab peoples) displaced.
The Arab Gathering a Nazi type brotherhood that's deeply embedded in al-Bashir regime and the Janjaweed are responsible.
Mwarangethe
ReplyDeleteThere is a nice story about Kagame in the link below. It talks so much about the guy, something I agree with.
Maybe I was also swallowed by the Rwandan culture that I also prefer to stay mum when it comes to comment on the guy, unless it's something positive. Nonetheless, I know you know very well why the guy can't be arrested from previous comments I have seen from you.
No, let me reveal some things here. 2 years ago I heard that America had intent of building an airbase in the existing Kigali International Airport, and at the same time to fund the construction of New Bugesera International Airport for Rwanda. You wonder why they decided to build an American Embassy in Kigali that is bigger than that of Uganda and Tanzania.
America has big interest in Congo and are using Rwanda as a leeway. Maybe the time Kagame will start deterring them from easily accessing Congo then he'll also become a victim of ICC. It's that sad.
Unlike Kenya where majority of tourists come from different European countries, in Rwanda majority of tourists are Americans that someone once said that soon one will not walk more than 5 meters before he/she comes across an American.
The link about Kagame:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/rwanda/7900680/Paul-Kagame-Rwandas-redeemer-or-ruthless-dictator.html
And, please know: history does repeat itself, and Omar al-Bashir will exit Sudan through the same backdoor as was the case with the late Gaafar Nimeiri.
ReplyDeleteAs we try to solve the Bashir Puzzle, I am sure there must be some people who got their deep pockets lined with oil money and they have some how manage to hide it somewhere safe, just in case the rain day comes sooner than expected.
Omar al-Bashir didn't just come empty handed but as a good guest, he came bearing gifts for his generous hosts who had invited him by word of mouth and watch his back during his short stay in Kenya.
Indeed nothing can happen to Kagame as long as he remains a loyal spanner boy to US interests. What he & M7 have done for their UK/USA masters in DRC cannot be rewarded with a visit to ICC.
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see how Ranneberger's replacement, Major General (rtd.) Scott Gration who is currently US Special Envoy to Sudan will handle Kibaki & his project for 2012, whomever that may be. He is Kenya born (to missionary parents) & is fluent in Swahili. Things are never as they seem & the US may just be making the right noises for public consumption when you hear Obama complaining about the visit.
Bobby6Killer
Phil,
ReplyDeletea) America's latest interest in Rwanda has nothing to do whatsoever with seeking an easement or foothold in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
b) Rwanda is being rewarded for turning a chapter from one of the atrocious madness in modern history.
c) Rwanda has parted ways with the French and the Belgians, and they have been willing, able and ready to change their national mindset unlike some of their neighbours who had the audacity to a raise the middle finger in Uncle Sam's face by inviting Omar al-Bashir as their special guest for the wrong reasons during Kenya's historic moment.
d) Americans love to discover new places and ideas, Rwanda just happens to be the new alluring destinationhave they seek.
e) Kenya will soon end up like a wet rag or stepping stone for Americans on their way to "rediscover" Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, and Djibouti.
f) The words of one state official speaks volumes, Kenyans were damn enough to fumble the ball when they were on their 36 with four seconds to play in the fourth quarter during August 27, 2010.
g) Omar al-Bashir will forever be our national burden as well as international curse to bear for a long time to come.
h) Who do we think we were? Better than our East African neighbours? Better than the international community?
Oh no! We have yet to learn hard lessons when it comes to ddealing with the international community.
i) It's Rwanda's "time to eat" and benefit from overdue strategic and tactical engagements with the USA, Canada, UK, Japan, Sweden, Monaco, Germany and Saudi Arabia.
Bobby6Killer,
ReplyDeleteMeza wembe butu! For how long have we been "blind spana-boyis" and beggers for everything British and American?
Did you see any of the USA/UK/European aid trickle down to the rural areas as is now the case in Rwanda?
You be the judge, while Rwanda enjoys the long awaited renaissance.
kenyans like miguna miguna get excited about human rights after being incited by europeans. This may be 2010 but big powers do what they want today as they did in past centuries. small european nations talk about human rights because they are not capable of projecting power globally. If you are a major international actor, you cannot talk of human rights. empires dont work that way. This is the real world. There is no difference between the american empire and past empires. wait and see how the chinese empire will behave. just as rich guys are basically above the law, empires are above international law.
ReplyDelete@ anon 10:55 if your country is the size of a small province & you have a "selfless" leader like Kagame the trickle down would appear to be instant (read Phil's link). The people of Rwanda deserve their renaissance having crossed the brink in '94. If they are willing to give up personal liberties to development, all power to them. With the selfish parochial warlords we've had as leaders in KE the trickle down can never be felt nationwide.
ReplyDeleteBobby6Killer
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete@Mwangerethe,
Where were we when 900,000 - 1,200,000 were being massacred?
xxx
From day one, the Rwandan civil war in 1990 was Washington's hidden agenda in establishing an American sphere of influence in a region historically dominated by France and Belgium.
America's design was to displace France by supporting the Rwandan Patriotic Front and by arming and equipping its military arm, the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA).
From mid - 1986, M7 became the showpiece of "democracy" because he provided the launcing pad for US sponsored guerilla movements into the Sudan, Rwanda and the Congo.
At this time, Major Kagame was head of military intelligence in the Ugandan Armed Forces; he had been trained at the U.S. Army Command and Staff College (CGSC) in Leavenworth, Kansas which focuses on warfighting and military strategy.
Kagame returned from Leavenworth to lead the RPA, shortly after the 1990 invasion. The October 1990 invasion by Ugandan forces was presented to public opinion as a war of liberation by a Tutsi led guerilla army whereas, it was Ugandan army. All this was supported by the USA and UK.
How did M7 finance this war? By incurring EXTERNAL DEBT payable by Ugandans. So, we see how Kagame side was financed.
So, in Rwanda, who was financing Habyarimana regime? The World Bank's soft lending affiliate the International Development Association (IDA), the African Development Fund (AFD), the European Development Fund (EDF) as well as from Germany, the United States, Belgium and Canada had been diverted into funding the military and Interhamwe militia.
In other words, the Rwandese government, like Uganda incurred PUBLIC DEBT to buy machetes under the watch of the Western donors.
So, both sides are being financed by our "friends". So, what do you say to this Sir?
Here is where it gets juicy. In 1995, barely a year after the massacre, Rwanda's external creditors entered into discussions with the Tutsi led RPF government regarding the debts of the former regime which had been used to finance the massacres.
The RPF decided to fully recognize the legitimacy of the debts of the 1990-94. RPF Vice-President Paul Kagame [now the President] instructed the Cabinet not to pursue the matter nor to approach the World Bank.
Under pressure from Washington, the RPF was not to enter into any form of negotiations, let alone an informal dialogue with the donors.
The legitimacy of the wartime debts was never questioned. Instead, the creditors had carefully set up procedures to ensure their prompt reimbursement.
Hear this! In 1998 at a special donors' meeting in Stockholm, a Multilateral Trust Fund of 55.2 million dollars was set up under the banner of postwar reconstruction.
In fact, none of this money was destined for Rwanda. It had been earmarked to service Rwanda's debts" with the World Bank (i.e. IDA debt), the African Development Bank and the International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) which had been used to fund genocide.
In other words, "fresh money" --which Rwanda will eventually have to reimburse-- was lent to enable Rwanda to service the debts used to finance the massacres.
Old loans had been swapped for new debts under the banner of post-war reconstruction. These bloody debts had been whitewashed, they had disappeared from the books.
The creditor's responsibility had been erased. Moreover, the scam was also conditional upon the acceptance of a new wave of IMF-World Bank reforms.
What do you say of a man who is willing to pay debts incurred to kill his own people Sir?
Looked differently, the Bashir saga can also be counterproductive to the Kibaki Govt and the 2008 murderers he wanted to protect. Rather than Ocampo feeling slighted, he can get even more enraged and decide to prove that ICC is not a push-over. If that happens, the Rutos of this world should get very afraid.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDelete@Mwangerethe,
Where were we when 900,000 - 1,200,000 were being massacred?
xxxx
We can add this:
Kagame sent Claude Dusaidi and Charles Muligande to New York and Washington to stop the UN military intervention which was supposed to be sent and protect the Rwandan people from the genocide.
Can you tell us why?
Hear, hear this! US policy-makers were fully aware that a catastrophe was imminent. As a matter of fact FOUR MONTHS before the genocide, the CIA had warned the US State Department in a confidential brief that the Arusha Accords would fail and "that if hostilities resumed, then upward of half a million people would die".
This information was WITHHELD from the United Nations. It was not until the genocide was over that information was passed to Maj.-Gen. Dallaire [who was in charge of UN forces in Rwanda].
Can you tell us why this information was withheld by our "friend"?
Before you answer, the truth is this. Africans LIVES DO NOT MATTER in this game. Yes, this was and is a war between USA and the French, but, we have NOTHING as Africans to gain from it.
And, may you note this. The prize was not Kigali, it was Zaire. And, what is the consequence? 6 millions Congolese dead.
Do you wanna know more? In the Arusha Tribunal, a letter numbered 'R'-number. R0002905 sent by General Paul Kagame dated the 10th of August 1994 to Jean Baptiste Bagaza of Burundi on Zaire "mission" was unearthed from the PROSECUTOR's file on November 18, 2008 in the Military II trial at the ICTR.
In part, we read this:
"Indeed, as you have noted, the taking of Kigali quickly provoked a panic among the Hutus who fled to Goma and Bukavu. We have found that the presence of a large number of Rwandan refugees at Goma and the international community can cause OUR PLAN for ZAIRE to fail. We cannot occupy ourselves with Zaire until after the return of these Hutus. All means are being used for their return as rapidly as possible. In any case, our external intelligence services continue to crisscross the east of Zaire and our Belgian, British and American collaborators, the rest of Zaire. The action reports are expected in the next few days."
In simple words, the war in Zaire was the PRIZE as far back as in 1990. If you think you know what is going, we say, woe unto thee.
Paul Kagame...is my hero! The guy has provided an enabling environment for business to boom in Rwanda.. I am Kenyan but managed to secure a lucrative contract in Rwanda.
ReplyDeleteNo Kickbacks! No bribes... I tried the same in my home country Kenya and Good old Kibaki's regime only rewards octogenarians and his kinsmen.
Well Both Kibaki and Kagame are butchers! But i prefer the latter!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete@Mwangerethe,
Where were we when 900,000 - 1,200,000 were being massacred?
xxxx
We can add this:
Kagame sent Claude Dusaidi and Charles Muligande to New York and Washington to stop the UN military intervention which was supposed to be sent and protect the Rwandan people from the genocide.
Can you tell us why?
Hear, hear this! US policy-makers were fully aware that a catastrophe was imminent. As a matter of fact FOUR MONTHS before the genocide, the CIA had warned the US State Department in a confidential brief that the Arusha Accords would fail and "that if hostilities resumed, then upward of half a million people would die".
This information was WITHHELD from the United Nations. It was not until the genocide was over that information was passed to Maj.-Gen. Dallaire [who was in charge of UN forces in Rwanda].
Can you tell us why this information was withheld by our "friend"?
Before you answer, the truth is this. Africans LIVES DO NOT MATTER in this game. Yes, this was and is a war between USA and the French, but, we have NOTHING as Africans to gain from it.
And, may you note this. The prize was not Kigali, it was Zaire. And, what is the consequence? 6 millions Congolese dead.
Do you wanna know more? In the Arusha Tribunal, a letter numbered 'R'-number. R0002905 sent by General Paul Kagame dated the 10th of August 1994 to Jean Baptiste Bagaza of Burundi on Zaire "mission" was unearthed from the PROSECUTOR's file on November 18, 2008 in the Military II trial at the ICTR.
In part, we read this:
"Indeed, as you have noted, the taking of Kigali quickly provoked a panic among the Hutus who fled to Goma and Bukavu. We have found that the presence of a large number of Rwandan refugees at Goma and the international community can cause OUR PLAN for ZAIRE to fail. We cannot occupy ourselves with Zaire until after the return of these Hutus. All means are being used for their return as rapidly as possible. In any case, our external intelligence services continue to crisscross the east of Zaire and our Belgian, British and American collaborators, the rest of Zaire. The action reports are expected in the next few days."
In simple words, the war in Zaire was the PRIZE as far back as in 1990. If you think you know what is going, we say, woe unto thee.
NB: It seems someone is deleting our comments for reason/s we do not know.
raila's supporters are a bit naive. You are expecting ICC to solve your succession problems. The irony is of course that what ruto is accused of having done is what gave you the pmship.
ReplyDeletemiguna thougt obama was serious when he criticised kenya for allowing bashir to visit. He only did it to please those tiny european countries championing human rights. First of all egypt supports bashir and america can never do anything to anger egypt. obama has already been to egypt twice, and you know how "democratic" egypt is. It appears only mwarengethe here knows how the real world works.
@Mwarang'ethe... We dont need to be told to shout 'genocide' by our western masters.
ReplyDeleteCase in Point Ruto and Uhuru our very own Interhamwe Militia are roaming freely.
Maina Njenga... A.k.a Mungiki Messiah is busy 'preaching' with his cousin Ndura waruinge a.k.a mathiokore, as his militia continues hacking and maiming his kinsmen and other innocent Kenyans.
Mathew Iteere has been 'promoted' to Commissioner after his GSU militia massacared innocent kenyans.
Mbugua continues to sit at the helm as AP boss as his 'Militia' helped rig in Octo Kibaki and lately his 'Militia' are raiding police stations and the skewed recruitment of APs to favour one community, no prizes for guessing which community.
Yeah we are waiting for our western Masters so that we shout Mwarang'ethe.
@anon 12.30 a.m. Why dont you and Mwarang'ethe start go and start your own blog since you are the only two who know how the 'real world' works.
ReplyDeleteFrom your comments and skewed opinion, we already can tell how you think.
Just as the anon, above has stated we dont need prizes to guess which community you come from.
He has helped steer Rwanda away from becoming a failed state like the Democratic Republic of Congo and Somalia.
ReplyDeletexxx
Hope you read this before it is deleted.
xxx
We can add this:
Kagame sent Claude Dusaidi and Charles Muligande to New York and
Washington to stop the UN military intervention which was supposed to
be sent and protect the Rwandan people from the genocide.
Can you tell us why?
Hear, hear this! US policy-makers were fully aware that a catastrophe
was imminent. As a matter of fact FOUR MONTHS before the genocide, the CIA had warned the US State Department in a confidential brief that the Arusha Accords would fail and "that if hostilities resumed, then upward of half a million people would die".
This information was WITHHELD from the United Nations. It was not
until the genocide was over that information was passed to Maj.-Gen.
Dallaire [who was in charge of UN forces in Rwanda].
Can you tell us why this information was withheld by our "friend"?
Before you answer, the truth is this. Africans LIVES DO NOT MATTER in this game. Yes, this was and is a war between USA and the French, but, we have NOTHING as Africans to gain from it.
And, may you note this on Zaire that you mention. The prize was not Kigali, it was Zaire. And,
what is the consequence? 6 millions Congolese dead.
Do you wanna know more? In the Arusha Tribunal, a letter numbered
'R'-number. R0002905 sent by General Paul Kagame dated the 10th of
August 1994 to Jean Baptiste Bagaza of Burundi on Zaire "mission" was
unearthed from the PROSECUTOR's file on November 18, 2008 in the
Military II trial at the ICTR.
In part, we read this:
"Indeed, as you have noted, the taking of Kigali quickly provoked a
panic among the Hutus who fled to Goma and Bukavu. We have found that
the presence of a large number of Rwandan refugees at Goma and the
international community can cause OUR PLAN for ZAIRE to fail. We
cannot occupy ourselves with Zaire until after the return of these
Hutus. All means are being used for their return as rapidly as
possible. In any case, our external intelligence services continue to
crisscross the east of Zaire and our Belgian, British and American
collaborators, the rest of Zaire. The action reports are expected in
the next few days."
In simple words, the war in Zaire was the PRIZE as far back as in
1990. If you think you know what is going, we say, woe unto thee.
You can always bet on tired, worn out, thieving, out of touch tribal scumbags to ruin such an important day by inviting a wanted mass murderer into our beautiful country. I hope these fools are haunted by the ghosts of innocent Darfurians who were raped and murdered in cold blood by Bashir's Janjaweed Militia. What a crying shame!
ReplyDelete@Mwarang'ethe....there is more to it than meets the eye in the events that led to the genocide your skewed opinion notwithstanding.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Kibaki regime say that they inherited 'Anglo leasing' from the KANU regime this EXTERNAL DEBT! That they still continue to service.
What about the militia in the Rift Valley that continues to acquire ammunition? Who is funding this?
Did you notice the 'super gear' that our AP's possessed in 2007. Who procured the same and when?
Is it also a coincidence that our current and past generals have attended a prestigious military college in USA and one was even Paul Kagame's desk mate?
The IMF, WB and ADB continue to fund 'projects' in Kenya just like Rwanda, and does the majority of this funds trickle down to the ordinary mwananchi?
So before we paint Kagame with Mad, why not good old Kibaki?
KAGAME CONTINUES TO BE A BEACON OF STABILITY IN RWANDA!
The IMF, WB and ADB continue to fund 'projects' in Kenya just like Rwanda, and does the majority of this funds trickle down to the ordinary mwananchi?
ReplyDeleteSo before we paint Kagame with Mad, why not good old Kibaki?
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First, u have not refuted anything we have written.
We only asked, why are Africans shouting about Bashir and not Kagame?
Why is Bashir's genocide of interest to us and not that of Kagame who was also in Nairobi at the same time as Bashir?
A very simple question and has nothing to do with painting anyone with mud.
Anon 10:55
ReplyDelete"d) Americans love to discover new places and ideas, Rwanda just happens to be the new alluring destination have they seek."
If you are a Rwandese I pity you but I suspect you are an American. I wish you knew how much America knew about the genocide and how they watched and did nothing. These are facts. I can only speculate on the reason, which normally depends on history of America in other countries.
I commend Clinton for good work he's doing for Rwanda but sometimes I normally suspect this is motivated by guilt. The few Americans I truly commend are Rick Warren and old man and lady of Costco.
Yes, you can go on talking positive about Rwanda, which I can also do but I'll also never stop telling Rwandese to be careful with America.
I hope and pray that one day the two groups will coexist peacefully.
Rwanda has major strength, that being having a good and powerful leader, however one major weakness, which they know but don't want to talk or don't want to accept is that they are in ceasefire, and now the entering of the scene by Kayumba and his three accomplices have complicated matters. You never know what will happen if Kagame steps on their foot.
And by the way, is Rwanda's 50% budget still funded by IMF and World Bank?
Both Kagame and Bashir are murdereres.Bashir is on ICC list because he has refused to US/EU demands.They haveall along been interested in his oil.He chose to work with the chinese.That is his main problem.
ReplyDeleteDarfur crisis is sponsored by US.They actually are the ones to blame for the mass deaths,displacements in Dafur.If interested just find out who is actually funding the Rwandan peacekeepers in Dafur.
Kagame is an alterboy.he does what he is told by his masters-US and UK.
The US is more interesetd in the minerals in DRC especially the uranium to sustain their nuclear progrms-war,energy
Kagame's Rwanda is the avenue for the movement of all the minerals from DRC.
Looking at Kigali's rate of growth in palacial housing in Nyarutarama and its environs do you realistically think the Rwandan economy can sustain that kind of housing estates?
Kagame is being used and once the US is done with him as Savimbi what happended to him
Beauty of blogs is that it gives pseudo intellectuals a forum to exhale. It is only here where you have a single authority on land/wealth/fish/history/war etc.
ReplyDeleteAnd when challenged they adopt plural we to avoid responsibility. Ego expansion is an exciting exercise. Endeleeni.
Hi Taabu @ Anon 4:15,
ReplyDeleteWhats up to these days, man?
Do you always have to attack Mwangarethe?
We know you have your own deep-rooted insecurites and jealousy but come-on, live and let die!
Anonymous wrote:
ReplyDeleteHe has helped steer Rwanda away from becoming a failed state like the Democratic Republic of Congo and Somalia.
xxx
We can add this:
Kagame sent Claude Dusaidi and Charles Muligande to New York and
Washington to stop the UN military intervention which was supposed to
be sent and protect the Rwandan people from the genocide.
Can you tell us why?
Hear, hear this! US policy-makers were fully aware that a catastrophe
was imminent. As a matter of fact FOUR MONTHS before the genocide, the CIA had warned the US State Department in a confidential brief that the Arusha Accords would fail and "that if hostilities resumed, then upward of half a million people would die".
This information was WITHHELD from the United Nations. It was not
until the genocide was over that information was passed to Maj.-Gen.
Dallaire [who was in charge of UN forces in Rwanda].
Can you tell us why this information was withheld by our "friend"?
Before you answer, the truth is this. Africans LIVES DO NOT MATTER in this game. Yes, this was and is a war between USA and the French, but, we have NOTHING as Africans to gain from it.
And, may you note this on Zaire that you mention. The prize was not Kigali, it was Zaire. And,
what is the consequence? 6 millions Congolese dead.
Do you wanna know more? In the Arusha Tribunal, a letter numbered
'R'-number. R0002905 sent by General Paul Kagame dated the 10th of
August 1994 to Jean Baptiste Bagaza of Burundi on Zaire "mission" was
unearthed from the PROSECUTOR's file on November 18, 2008 in the
Military II trial at the ICTR.
In part, we read this:
"Indeed, as you have noted, the taking of Kigali quickly provoked a
panic among the Hutus who fled to Goma and Bukavu. We have found that
the presence of a large number of Rwandan refugees at Goma and the
international community can cause OUR PLAN for ZAIRE to fail. We
cannot occupy ourselves with Zaire until after the return of these
Hutus. All means are being used for their return as rapidly as
possible. In any case, our external intelligence services continue to crisscross the east of Zaire and our Belgian, British and American collaborators, the rest of Zaire. The action reports are expected in the next few days."
In simple words, the war in Zaire was the PRIZE as far back as in
1990. If you think you know what is going, we say, woe unto thee.
Beauty of blogs is that it gives pseudo intellectuals a forum to exhale. It is only here where you have a single authority on land/wealth/fish/history/war etc.
ReplyDeleteAnd when challenged they adopt plural we to avoid responsibility. Ego expansion is an exciting exercise. Endeleeni.
9/17/10 4:15 AM
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Stop hiding behind anonymous. Come up with your facts and challenge what we have written.
Put up or shut you idiot!
The post was entitled:
ReplyDelete"Shocking inside stories and the Bashir puzzle"
So why the sideshows from bloggers? No need to e-shadow box, stay relevant and avoid MCHONGWANOs, ama?
TAABUtele @ 4.15
ReplyDeleteu can ran but you can't hide. Kindly leave Mwarangethe alone you 55 years old pensioner.
Philip indeed Rwanda's economy is buoyed by donor funding. 43% in recurrent budget & 80% in development budget according to the UN Economic Commission for Africa (UNECA). That's even before you add in the proceeds from looting the DRC. KE is in a league of its own regionally as even blue-eyed boy Kikwete depends heavily on donors whereas KE is virtually self sufficient. Our problem is we don't hold our leaders to task on how they utilize, or misappropriate, our taxes.
ReplyDeleteKagame has done wonders for Rwanda by virtue of his selfless leadership. That said, we do not need the benevolent dictator model in KE as that option is no longer on the table with the 2010 Constitution. We can use his selfless & forward thinking virtues in our next leader but not the authoritarian side of his rule. That kind of power is proving hard to do away with even from our incumbent.
Bobby6Killer
Taabu, why don't you take a sabbatical leave from this blog and stop developing ulcer out of bitterness and jealousy like your fellow insecure UrXlnc (or whatever his name was).
ReplyDeleteOr better, drop anon and address Mwangarethe head on as Taabu? COWARD!
PLEASE (again)
ReplyDeleteThe post was entitled:
"Shocking inside stories and the Bashir puzzle"
So why the sideshows from bloggers? No need to e-shadow box, stay relevant and avoid MCHONGWANOs, ama?
Ooops! There goes again Taabu @ anon 5:05 replying to himself!
ReplyDeleteThe clown is so thick he doesn't think we can tell his writing.
Keep on making a fool of yourself....Haha!
Bobby6Killer,
ReplyDeleteI am so relieved that you didn't touch, or even step on the double edged wembe butu, let alone swallow it for whatever reasons you may hold in between your deck of political cards (views).
It would seem, I suggest for our consideration, that if some of our provinces - soon to be 'counties', glorified or not - that are the size of Rwanda as we know it today, and the counties' residents are willing, ready and very determined to elect county officials who will have no problem or difficulty maintaining their credibilty, integrity, honesty and loyality 24/7.
Then there should be no reason why our once sleeping and backward "provinces" - a term which will soon become a dirty word from the past - cannot give countries like Rwanda, Uganda, Tanzania and the rest of Kenya a real ran for their money and share in the spotlight in any regional economic affairs, political matters etc.
We need not worry nor have anymore deep seated fears about our new found freedoms - thanks to the 2010 Constitution - will be stifled, eroded and eventually taken by the usual corruption cartels and ethnic kingpins, if we allow qualified county and national officials to be elected for the right reasons and appointed to the right positions fo the benefit all and country.
I say, you say, we all say in a Kumekuchan chorus: The future of Kenya is not ignorance, vicious ethnic rivalry and time wasting seasonal election party alliances.
Anon 12:17 AM
ReplyDeleteMy sentiments exactly, minus the "...butchers..." part.
Good governance is a very essential ingredient for any emerging democracy to successed.
We should never have dared to touch Omar al-Bashir (Mr. Radioactive Decay) with six twenty feet iron poles during the August 27, 2010 historic celebration of a Second Republic.
Chris,
ReplyDeleteThe truth is... this is a new Kenya you're dealing with.remember my often quoted phrase "Kenya has become more and more like America since August 4th" that you so passionately poured cold water all over some time ago?
Well the facts speak for themselves.restaurants in both Nairobi and the rural areas have now begun serving a lunch special called "Nyong'o 2500" going for Ksh 66/= in honour of the minister of health. not only that if you display your NHIF card you get a discount of 6/= and the offer to BOGOF(Buy One Get One Free)
Surely Chris if this isn't change we can believe in then prey tell what is?
Story ya Kagame yatoka wapi? I thought it was about the butcher from the north?
ReplyDeleteMwarangethe
I certainly agree with you. Bashir, Kagame and many others from our own Kenya play in the same league.
@ anon 8:40 there is a heckler in every village & as Kumekucha is a snapshot of a KE virtual village you have to expect a few. You raise an interesting point with the County set up. It will be interesting to see how the various counties use the resources poured into them from the center. Although we are not fully a federal republic, we may have counties developing at different rates & therefore attracting people from other counties & countries to take up opportunities there. California used to have the world's 5th largest economy before the terminator took over. Some of our counties may well be compared with EA neighbours economies in the future. Getting the right people elected is key as is ensuring the "unitary state" doesn't dilute power constitutionally allocated to the counties &, by extension, the people. The centre still tries to hold in vain even when it's past its sell by date.
ReplyDeleteLuke, I agree you can compare KE with USA but technically we are where the US was back in c. 1788 when they adopted their constitution. Their Civil War was still some 80 years away so having a good constitution is not the end of the journey, it's just the first positive step. We still have a lot of work to do (cartels & warlords to quash) to get to where they are today.
Bobby6Killer
Chris,
ReplyDeleteBy your leave, permit me to meander on by asking, is there a photo opportunity clasic image of Bashir with Mzee Mwai Kibaki, or Mh. Raila Odinga taken on August 27, 2010?
If not I will join the rest of the other indignant legislators and scores of wananchi in waiting for a thorough explanation as to why the individual in question was allowed entry onto Kenyan soil, given his history and the ICC's warrant of immediate arrest.
Mwarangethe--I would like to hear more your thoughts on money and finance. It might please you to note that a French acquaintance is quitting her job to be a part of a global movement that decries the idea of money, banking and finance as we currently know it. So your ideas are gaining global purchase and I am glad that you're educating us all. Keep it coming!
ReplyDeleteMwarangethe:
ReplyDeleteForgot to add that your question on why Bashir and not Kagame are right on target.
He he he! Ati Mwarang'ethe keep educating us!!! WTF! If 'Prof' Mwarang'ethe is sooo 'all knowing' why isn't he an authority in Money and Banking in the Kenyan economy???
ReplyDeleteOn issues concerning Land from the days of Methusellah -Roman empire- Shaka Zulu blah blah. Why aren't you an authority???
No wonder your calling people idiots.. I bet you are somewhere taking advantage of safaricom bundles to surf 'conspiracy theories'. See you write an 'original book'( please without plagiarism - we see if you will even sale enough copies to pay your rent) on LAND/ FISH/ MONEY (useless paper - kwani what do you use 'Utopian' dollar??)
So please as you already know about 'dogmatic theories'....Let us see you come out in the 'Real world'.
Educate the Lazy people who will believe all that vitriol that you vomit in this blog.
Otherwise my bundle is almost running out, let me go get a 'bamba 20' so that I will contribute later.
@Anon 4.04 a.m Bwa ha ha haaaa Mwarang'ethe doesn't use MJ's Safcom bundles, he is an authority in MONEY - The guy is rollin in Moola, he prints his own money, does not eat fish since it is double taxed!
ReplyDeleteHe lives with a perfect 'Utopian Constitution' this Kenyan one is below standard.
He who wants us to arm ourselves so that we become 'Free Men' so that violence does not become a government monopoly huh!
Praises the US constitution and at the same time curses the same country on issues concerning world manipulation, oil, economy - if they are so perfect why the loopholes?? Since he likes quoting from it.
Never and I mean NEVER EVER supports anyone's views apart from his, ever wondered why????
His favourite words are 'You dont get it/ what we are saying/ you idiot.
Remember when he was once challenged by a blogger calling himself 'CBK Monster' on how the Kenyan economy runs he chickened out!!!
How do you expect him to write a book and yet all the info he gets is from websites who are economic rejects in their own countries.
So let students of 'Kumekucha University' blow his Trumpet.
Mwarangethe,
ReplyDeleteWhat Kagame has learnt and which many leaders in Africa terribly fail to learn and which our very own Kibaki attempted by bringing Bashir is the concept of global politics. I doubt Raila is very keen on this or he is acting dump until he gets the presidency. As Africans we need to very fast learn that concept. In global politics, what is sopken is normally not what is practiced.
This is a diversion from the topic of genocide. However, since the accusations have been published, we will respond.
ReplyDeletexxx
How do you expect him to write a book and yet all the info he gets is from websites who are economic rejects in their own countries.
xxx
The stone they rejected shall become the cornestone.
xxx
Never and I mean NEVER EVER supports anyone's views apart from his, ever wondered why????
xxx
As an example, we have quoted Adam Smith, Blackstone with approval.
We are taught by the best minds mankind has ever produced. If their insight has never reached thee, pole sana.
More so, do not expect everyone to be as ignorant as you are.
xxx
He who wants us to arm ourselves so that we become 'Free Men' so that violence does not become a government monopoly huh!
xxx
What is your objection to this? Are almost all Asians in Kenya not armed as reservists so as to protect themselves?
Don't the rich guys have guns and body guards? So, who is left at the mercy of thugs? We answer, the poor.
xxx
How do you expect him to write a book and yet all the info he gets is from websites who are economic rejects in their own countries.
xxx
U mean rejects like the Governor of Norway Central Bank?
"Gjedrem reiterated its proposal to impose a property tax at the same time REDUCING TAXES on INCOME and ENTERPRISE."
@ http://www.aftenbladet.no/innenriks/okonomi/1159502/Gjedrem_vil_oeke_eiendomsskatten.html
or
http://is.gd/fgzn9
xxx
Mzee, if you are looking for pseudo intellectuals, they are in the MAINSTREAM where they have so called PEER REVIEW which is nothing, but, information gate keeping to hide the truth.
Let us give a good example. Just before the collapse of Icelandic economy, a former FED Governor wrote a glowing report on Iceland's economy. For that, he was paid $ 124, 000.
See the PEER REVIEWED intellectual bubbling like a fool here:
http://www.wcvarones.com/2010/08/incompetent-paid-shill-frederic-mishkin.html
or
http://is.gd/fgA3s
NB: We understand that, internet and the arrival of blogs has shaken those who seek to fool mankind.
Just like they fought the PRINTING PRESS, we see the same wars against those who blog because they bring hidden information and knowledge to the masses.
Utamenza wembe Mzee for you cannot fool all the people all the time.
very accurate chris.. no one is headed to hague. you can see todays headline story nation......sunday....
ReplyDelete@Anon 7.06pm... People haven't mutated to TAABU nah! We do appreciate the so called 'prof' Mwarang'ethes views, no doubt the fellow has some unique views.
ReplyDeleteI guess people are kinda developing 'bile' on how he @ times responds to divergent views, he doesnt have to be ARROGANT...For as far as we are concerned his views are just 'shelf theories' which are spilled on this blog which end up being 'dogmatic theories'.
Have you ever noticed that he never has any positive comments, it's all negative... Oh the world economy will collapse, Oh constitution ni bure, money is 'useless paper'.
My question to you Mwarang'ethe is... Now that we have a new constitution that you now have to live with... How do we make use of it and take advantage of it?
Please for once say something positive my brother.
@Anon 3.03 a.m. He he he...wewe cheza to, you will be 'skinned' alive.
ReplyDeleteUmekanyaga 'live wire'..lets wait for 'prof' response.
Have you ever noticed that he never has any positive comments, it's all negative... Oh the world economy will collapse, Oh constitution ni bure, money is 'useless paper'.
ReplyDeleteMy question to you Mwarang'ethe is... Now that we have a new constitution that you now have to live with... How do we make use of it and take advantage of it?
xxxx
First something positive. We are happy that Mutula Kilonzo has come out to tell so called ICC to take a hike.
We applaud this move not because we believe the new katiba will solve the issues. It is because we hold firmly, the ICC is a colonial tool which does not tackle the root cause of Kenyan/African problems.
xxxx
About the economy, it is not Mwarang'ethe's view that, we are headed for a disaster. This view is shared even by the Sumerian priests at the IMF as we read here:
"IMF fears 'social explosion' from world jobs crisis." @
http://is.gd/fhPxa
Is the IMF preparing for the coming storm? Keen minds are reading this:
"IMF to Press G-20 to Boost Lending Resources to $1 Trillion, Official Says."
@
http://is.gd/fhPKS
xxx
On the so called new constitution, the less said is better. There are two ways one may formulate a government.
One may chose the republican system or the oligarchic system of Lycurgus of Sparta. We have chosen the Sparta system.
Now, we are reading that, to organise 2012 elections, we need to tax Kenyans to a tune of kes 20 billion.
On top of these 7 so called reps, we will end up with a provinvial adm. If you cannot see this coming disaster, either you are one of the beneficiaries of the political system or very foolish.
xxx
As concerns current modern system, we will only tell you this:
In 2002, Bernake, the current Sumerian high priest, gave a speech where he said this:
"The US government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent) that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at ESSENTIALLY NO COST...."
Do Kenyans produce their coffee/tea at no cost?
Iko swali ingine boss?
The Ksh 20 Billion is expected, taking into consideration that the IIEC is still playing around with the idea of e -voting! Furthermore, election costs or any other costs can never be static / fixed.
ReplyDeleteSeeing that well over Ksh 7 Billion was spent in 2002 elections alone. Some counties will end up generating more revenue vis-a-vis economic development, we have to move forward, we have a new constitution 'imperfect' as it is, its a step in the right direction.
Mutula Kilonzo seems be reading the 'riots act' to the ICC - The public mood reads otherwise (it's all 2012 politics). Aren't we signatories to this statute, so if we plan to rubbish Ocampo, lets just 'remove' ourselves from the same.
So I can already feel the pain of the Kenyans who lost relatives myself included - NO JUSTICE.
In my bitterness, am now convinced revenge is the only option I have to atleast appease me.... MORE BLOOD come 2012!
@ Mwarang'ethe... You have not answered my question, all you have done is circumvent the same. The Fed Reserve President aside.
ReplyDeleteIf I am to paraphrase.. We do have a new constitution, are there ways that we can positively take advantage of the same. It's imperfection notwithstanding.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThe Ksh 20 Billion is expected, taking into consideration that the IIEC is still playing around with the idea of e -voting!
Seeing that well over Ksh 7 Billion was spent in 2002 elections alone.
xxxx
So, in 5 years, the cost of funding elections has gone up by almost 400 %. Fine so far.
However, has the Kenyans wealth which must be taxed to fund this increament increased by such %?
Or, to personalise it, has your wealth increased by this much?
And, even if their wealth has increased, the assertion we deny, does it mean to you that, all their or your (assuming you are not a political parasite) economic surplus must be surrendered to the political parasites?
xxx
If I am to paraphrase.. We do have a new constitution, are there ways that we can positively take advantage of the same. It's imperfection notwithstanding.
9/19/10 5:48 AM
xxx
To create the wealth, we need three things in place.
(a) a social system with the ability to INVENT new way of doing things,
(b) a social system that allows ACCUMULATION of the economic surplus,
(c) such accumulation should be used to fund new inventions.
In ancient societies, priests for instance of the Mesopotamia had the economic surplus. In slave holding societies, slave owners got the economic surplus. In the feudal era, the land lords got the surplus.
In the modern period, the profit system (of industrial capitalism) provided the means for accumulation and savings for new inventions.
However, the industrial capitalism has now been subjugated by the FIRE sector(Finance, Insurance and Real Estate sectors)
Unfortunately, these sectors PRODUCE NOTHING. Even worse, when they EXTRACT the surplus from those who create wealth, they use it for ostentatious displays, elaborate residences, offices etc.
This distributes the surpluses for consumption (e.g. elections officials in 2012, and county funds), but, does not provide more effective methods of production.
As such, there is nothing good that will come out of so called counties for it is not the presence or absence of counties which ultimately matters.
Kwa kweli wanakumekucha wachekesha kupita kiasi kinacho tarajiwa hapa kijijini.
ReplyDeleteNawaombeni musitie maanani maneno yote wasemayo baadhi ya wanakumekucha. Hasa yale yanao husu shuguli za kiuchumi, siasa, dini, maisha ughaibuni, na fedha za njia ukuta (Wall Street) pamoja na njia kuu (main street).
Kuna baadhi yetu wengi wenye sahada ya uchumi, au siasa, au dini, au udakitari, ua mambo ya kale na kadhalika.
Tusije tukasahau kwamba kuna miongoni mwasomi wanaoweza kujidai eti wanajua, lakini kwa kweli, hawajui lolote kwa yote yale yanao husika na shuguli mbalimbali.
Mimi nauliza: ninani kati yetu ajuaye hali halisi inayohusu shauri ya "Shocking inside stories and the Bashir puzzle".
@Anon 6.24 WTF! Are you shitting me...that aside.
ReplyDelete@ Mwarang'ethe... Thanks for the response! And to answer your question on my personal wealth increment..Yes mine has increased with well over the aforementioned margin.
I quit my banking job, earning a paltry 45K @ the time (2006). Joined copper exporting business with a capital of Ksh 150K and horticulture ( french beans) with a capital of Ksh 300K.
I managed to diversify my investments into real estate, land acquisition, and import business.
A few years later my net worth now stands @ Ksh 48M from Ksh 450k and it's only 4years and counting and just turned age 29 last week.
I may not be book smart but am surely street smart ( though I'm a graduate) my ears are always on the ground for opportunities. Despite the hardships that we go through in Kenya today I have surmounted all odds, so there is still hope for everyone.
But I want to thank you Mwarang'ethe for the 'useless paper' info coz I was comfy with most of my wealth being in cash in banks but I have reduced that to only 5% of my net worth. But i beg to differ on the County issue - there are craizee opportunities for Kenyans, my club has identified such in about 8 counties.
For the bloggers here who are serious about investment opportunities look for info on a club in Kenya called 'YOUNG MILLIONAIRES CLUB' - and its not a politically connected club, just one made up of shrewd young forward thinking Kenyans.
The youngest millionare in the club is only 19years old and oldest at 31years.
SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND IT.
It now seems Bashir! Issue is a non starter.
ReplyDeletePeople have resorted to settling e-wars, with Mwarang'ethe trying to hold his 'forte'.
Can we keep to the main TOPIC of discussion please!
@Eric
ReplyDeleteI have heard of the 'Young Millionaires' Club. When I inquired I found the entry requirements a little prohibitive.
Why insist on the Ksh 1M entry fee? Or is it because its a millionaires only club.
@Anon 9.40 a.m
ReplyDeleteThe club maintains it as the minimum requirement. Just rules that all current and potential members have to abide with.
But do remember that it took me about a year to raise the same, you can always start small...Rome was not built in day.
Hope we can now stick to the Bashir! Issue, I myself having been out of topic.
Is the YMC's requirement of Ksh 1M part of the feeder funds for the very exclusive membership club?
ReplyDeleteIt's been rumoured that the Ksh 1M initiation fee is required in addition to an oath?
True or false?
One of the two, Aristotle Onassis or Bill Gates, once said "Money is not an asset, time is the most valuable asset for the upcoming generation of innovative minds.
More power to the young Kenyan millionaires (soon to be billionaires), and less power to those ... who invited Omar al-Bashir to soil the August 27, 2010 Kenya's parade.
ReplyDeleteThe poor business owners in Kenya are always clinging to the edge of the cliff.
One hopes that the young millionaires club will inject microideas as well as microstrategies into leading the way so that poor entrepreneurs can find ways of permanently improving their business and increasing their comes.
@ Eric. A truly inspiring account you give there of your personal experience. Your entrepreneurial spirit should be emulated especially if the copper exports were not supported by mulika mwizi type of activities. That's the kind of growth we hope the new constitution will accord to those who can take advantage of opportunity once an enabling environment is created & institutions support rather than hinder growth.
ReplyDeleteBobby6Killer
Chris Kumekucha you are becoming really lazy to manage this blog. We have missed discussing about the by-elections. What's happening you lazy bones?
ReplyDelete@ Haters not withstanding... The businesses I conducted were legitimate( read copper ) and wouldn't support any 'wizi' type reserved for uncouth and lazy sleuths.
ReplyDeleteA simple idea i used in Farming... Bought a long horn pregnant Pig for ksh 25,000.
The Pig has a gestation period of 6 Months and in the same period will give birth to 20 piglets - the same will mature in 6 months.
so in a period of 1 yr one will have 21 Mature pigs.
Assuming that out of this you have 11 Female. each giving birth to 20 piglets. In a year you have 220 piglets plus the 10 now you have 230 multiply the same with Ksh 12,000 per pig as see the figure and returns after 1 yr and a half ( no bank gives that kind of return)
I keep my investments basic no complex stuff/
@ Eric 230 Multiply by 12,000 thats a cool 2,760,000. Woooiiii and we are still waiting for Kazi Kwa Vijana initiative.
ReplyDeleteHow much will you use as overheads in maintaining the Pigs?
The returns are quiet good, am even thinking instead of selling the pigs, the returns can be higher if you sell say sausages, bacon etc that is you look for the know how to make the same.
@ Anon 4.04Pm a.k.a Mwarang'ethe well put.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, 4:04 PM is not Mwarange'the. Mwarange'the always posts using his handle and stands by his comments.
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I am afraid that the sensitive issue of "feeder funds" will have to be addressed in way or another.
There have been a zero impact assessment studies about the Kenya version of YMC, but the most powerful way of understanding the impact of YMC, be it positive or negative, is to see it in action.
I have never been a fan nor admirer of the so called "exclusive clubs" in Africa or in the northern hemisphere. They have never been my cup of tea or bakali of ubwabwa.
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My greatest concern has always been for the 'Young Entrepreneurs of East Africa'.
I would love to see Kenya become a nation of twenty million entrepreneurs rather than a nation of 227 millionaiers.
What would J.M. Kariuki say in 2010?
Access to capital is the magic ingredient that allows the poorest person as well as the potential entrepreneurs (wajasiriamali) to make better business choices.
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My apologies for another digression and meandering from the Omar al-Bashir's mule that is still grazing in our backyard (living room. LOL!)
Kenya needs more of Bill Gates type of entrepreneurs, a ... generation of innovative minds, and less of the exclusive club membership types like the late Aristotle Onassis and company.
ReplyDeleteBill Gates has helped shape the world as we know it, and that of the future generations. While the other one was just a status quo symbol.
We still prefer you as Mwarang'ethe.
ReplyDeleteBwa..haha.haaaaaa!
Bashir!....continues to sit pretty in his 'throne'.
ReplyDeleteLets see how the referendum in southern sudan goes...am sure kutakuwa na shida!!
Chris, amuka kumekucha, amuka twende kazi. We have slept all weekend long and now the new week is here with us.
ReplyDeleteHow about you fold tent on Bashir, and fresh day to moved onto another puzzling or sizzling chapter of the day/week.
Just a suggestion!
Kumekucha University really has many talents: both intellectuals and now millionare enterpreneurs who spare their valuable time to SHARE their business geniuses.
ReplyDeleteAt 29 and already a multi-millionare? That is typical Kenyan enterpreneur. Hongera. Please write a book, won't you?
I don't support Bashir and neither the Americans for their attempt to act holy. Kenya stands to gain much more by ensuring we are in good books with Sudan, be it the North or South.
ReplyDeleteWe dont want to be surrounded by hostile neighbours, Somalia is already a thorn in the flesh for us, and now Sudan, with tensions rising due to the upcoming referendum.
ReplyDeleteThe Kenyan 'Pokots' know what it means to be surrounded by hostile communities, we dont need that replicated with Sudan.
Bashir needs to ensure a peaceful and democratic referendum in the South, but will he?
What do you expect of Bashir!!! The guy will surely rig the referendum. His distaste for the S. Sudanese is well known.
ReplyDeleteDarfur, plus the S.Sudan government being paid in Sudanese pounds for their oil, only through diplomatic pressure did the Khartoum regime revert to paying in Dollars.
Bashir! Like his fellow peer Kibaki! Ni bure kabisa!!!
@ Eric. Not a hater at all. Actually admire the multiple revenue streams you've set up. Pigs were already my next project for the reason you've stated above. Bashir's blog comes to an end with the benefits of pig rearing. Poetic justice
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@Bobby6killer
ReplyDeletePoint taken man! No hard feelings.
At 29 and already a multi-milliona[i]re. That's typical [Kenyan] enterpreneur.
ReplyDeleteThese days, age is never fact in having a considerable business acumen, or running a profitable business venture.
There are many people who work so hard every day, and we should never ever fail to congratulate them for their dedicated efforts, since they are part of the fulcrum that keeps our economy running.
While there others out there, who also work hard and at the same time, they have found different avenues of achieving their financial goals on a larger scale.
And they should not be vilified for their valiant efforts, due to the fact that they are also part of the centrifugal that keeps our economies and nation afloat.
Age should never be factor in what one can and cannot do in life.
Some individuals are well-motivated self-starters, others need to be told or shown what to do, while others are late bloomers who adjust well with the times to better themselves.
FYI, these days so many Kenyans have learned the hard way, never to discuss their financial successes with some family members, close friends or devulge the same to the hostile public.
Why? For fear that the sleeping friendly folks and foes may wake up and bite them where it hurts their business most. A practice that has become so common.
Are you 30 yrs and below?
Ksh 80 x $20,000 = ?
Ksh 80 X $30,000 = ?
Ksh 80 x $50,000 = ?
Ksh 80 x $70,000 = ?
Ksh 80 x $90,000 = ?
Then welcome to the 'Young [Kenyan] Millionaire's Club'. You have arrived at the front gates of ..., and best of luck to you.
Bashir need to give up south in return of exemption from ICC. If he rigs the referendum in the south, he may as well kiss his presidency good-by and pack his sleeping ready to join blood dirty diamond dealer Charles Taylor
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ReplyDelete@ Haters not withstanding... The businesses I conducted were legitimate
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Let us focus on Bashir and genocide as the topic says.
But, we can discuss these other private issues privately @ mwarangethe@gmail.com
Will Omar al-Bashir wear the same ill fitting suit during his trial at the ICC?
ReplyDeleteMh. Charles Taylor of Liberia always looks great in his taylored suits whenver he appears at the ICC court.
Who would have thought that a man who escaped from Plymouth maximum security prison (USA) on September 1985, would be back at the War Crime Prison in The Hague facing a mountain of charges involving the murders of milions and millions of Liberians?
The count continues for al-Bashir's 40 days, as the world await Sudanese men and women of unwavering courage like Zoran Dindic to strike and arrest al Bashir when he least expects it.
Chris,
ReplyDeleteI agree with Mutula Kilonzo on the ICC issue. Now that we have a new constitution, it is the right time to test whether the political class is in touch with the rest of the country and respect the ideals of the new law. There is no better opportunity to test this. We will very soon have a refurbished judiciary. The main reason why most of us supported the ICC route was because we did not trust the current judiciary.
Thus if we agree that the new constitution has addressed impunity, why should we not trust the new institutions to tackle the PEV and other historical problems? What was the purpose of passing the constitution if we cannot put it to good use?
PNU CANDIDATES WHO BENEFITTED FROM KIBAKI'S ELECTION THEFT ARE HAVING THEIR A@#$% WHOOPPED PROPER.
ReplyDeleteBishop Margaret for Starehe
ReplyDeleteAnon 7.43 a.m a.k.a Mwarang'ethe.
ReplyDeleteEver heard of 'Computer fingerprints', labda utumie machine tofauti.
We said STOP! stooping so low as Anon. And we were busy calling TAABU, Idiot.
Jaribu ingine boss!
Bwa...haha.haaaaaa!
ODM! Yipeeee! Bishop Wanjiru is headed for Victory!
ReplyDeleteBwana Omar Bashir aint going to the hague and neither is Ruto. Typical African Tyrany.
And as it goes for S.Sudan, they will not cecede, the consequences are to enormous to Ignore.
@Jeff,
ReplyDeleteHave you just arrived from Mars? Well, welcome to Earth and Kenya in particular. As you can see the new katiba Kenyans voted for is being mutilated with provincial admin back in force together with paramount chiefs. Utado? Na bado!
Please auction your bets for a freer and just judiciary for free, won't you? Kenya iko na wenyewe and supporting Mutula is like being smoothed to the slaughter. Nothing has changed and the politicians and leaders remain the same with very selfish interest guidng them. Ocampo come now PLEASE!
Narc-K 2, ODM 1, PNU 0. The anti-reform party has lost 2 seats. BTW how come Juja results this time came in time with the others?
ReplyDeleteMr moneybags for Juja and makadara and Ms moneybags a.k.a "the glory" for starehe. Hooray for democrazy. To hell with wathika and his development and accountability record for fool him to expect a rational electorate.
ReplyDeleteNext we will have maina njenga for Governor in Nairobi. If this is the youthful future for kenya, may God help us!!
@Mwarang'ethe - thanks but NO!
ReplyDeleteOmar al-Bashir's continued defiance of the ICC has already dealt a heavy blow to the credibility of the ICC and seems to encourage those seeking to tolerate or indulge in crimes against humanity.
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Bashir's statement stating.. "the court and anyone who works for it are under my feet" is a clear indication of what the man thinks of the ICC.
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As per the brouhaha and the outcries for Bashir's arrest, their has emerged two groups..
the "realists" - who hold that Bashir indictment would 'compromise the peace process' and even possibly lead Sudan into a state of anarchy - Hon. Wetangula and company appear to hold this view.
Secondly, the "legalists / moralist" - who contend that not indicting al -Bashir would negate the efforts on clamping down on genocide perpertrators - KHRC and others who do not support Bashir, including former key leutenants Hassan al -Turabi.
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hooray for bishop, the mbuvi fella doesn't inspire much confidence ie mbugua type(why is he being investigated by central bank?). anyway, that was their choice. kabogo is also back yawa. aii! from the look of things, 2012 willl be interesting with Mungiki Njenga touted as a potential GOVERNOR. just when we thought we would get smart legislators....kweli we voters are our worst enemies. THAT IS WHY WE NEED A STRONG PREZO LIKE.....AGWASH
ReplyDelete@11.49 a.m. Mzee u had your time, and see where you and other Wazees have led us.
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@ Anon 7.43 a.m. Walalalaaa! Mwarang'ethe is that you, haki ya ngai.
ReplyDeleteYou have ever given such views before.
Suffering from 'selective amnesia' perhaps mmmh. Ebu post as your own defender.
Off for monday 'prayers' oops I meant pub inspection with my usual suspects @ the hood pub.
Mwarang'ethe come drink one on me for being one innovative clown.
As technology continues to reduce the amount of time to relay provisional results to the centre at least one thing we are assured of is a timely conclusion to elections. Prime time election verdicts is a good thing. You can sleep knowing who won & not expect a change the next morning. No more excuses of washed out roads on the way to tallying stations.
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... his arrest would compromise the peace process ... in the region.
ReplyDeleteTherefore ...he must remain unprovoked, untouched, unisolated and without any further harrassment.
Which is tantamount to saying to that ... violent drug cartels should be left alone and free, otherwise the security of many Mexican nationals, law enforcement officers and that of Americans citizens living along the US-Mexican border will be compromised and jeopardized to a great extent.
I hate to say what many concerned citizens of the world have thinking in the silence of their hearts but afraid to say in public, and what many victims (now long dead) and survivors of the Darfur Genocide have been screaming about for decades without the world paying any attention to their outcries:
"Adolf Hitler, the SS troops, and members of the National Socialist (Workers') Party would have loved to have the sympathizers and staunch supporters of Omar al-Bashir come to their defence, so as not to compromise or jeoparddize the post 1945 reconstructed porgrams (peace process) in Allied Europe".
Yesteryear we had Idi Amin Dada in Uganda, then there was Mobutu Sesse seko in "Zaire", and not long ago, the dreaded Interahamwe in Rwanda.
Today we still have Omar al-Bashir, the "Gathering" and Janjaweed in Northern Sudan.
Well, well, well. If I may ask, what will Kenyans (staunch defnders and sympathizers of leaders like al-Bashir) have in their very own backyard in 2012, the next five to ten years from now?
What goes around? ...