Take your shameless Raila Worship back to Jukwaa. Here we discuss issues, not what Raila vomits. Even babies know that if Raila had his way, we would have Majimbo ya Ukabila, a Parliamentary System where the Executive PM is choosen by fellow parliamentary thugs, and one kilometer one vote.
Here we say yes to the Katiba not because Raila wants it or not but because it embraces a directly elected presidency, a county as the devolution unit, and one person one vote.
Raila should popularize the PNU katiba and after it is adopted, he should retire before he is humiliated by Kalonzo in the 2012 presidential sweepstakes.
haters, don't you realize that the perenial railaphobics have gone AWOL because agwambo is now playing chess and not draughts that you haters understand best. MY ADVICE...grab a front seat and watch him play the kind of politics never before seen in kenya. tukutaneni kwa debe 2012...'OWA'GA AKINYI!!
Wasnt this the same Phil who couldnt contain his excitement about the harmonized draft that had proposed the dangerous two centres of power?Didnt he reason then that the best thing to ever happen to Kenya was to have an executive PM and an executive president?These guys shift positions faster than you can say BLINK..!!
It is true there is a big difference between raila and kalonzo. Raila has been described as a leader who takes decisions while kalonzo has been called a flip flopper. I see from today's papers that kalonzo's party is divided on the yes-no, with poghisio for no and mutula for yes. If this is the case I think it makes sense for kalonzo not to take a decisive position on the draft. The church leaders are also his friends as I understand he was once some kind of a lay preacher.
It appears kanu is also divided on the katiba and again I think it makes sense for uhuru not to be too forthright about his position.
Contrast the above to raila's firm yes from day one. For raila it is odm which should follow him and not the other way round. That's why his supporters see him as decisive. But one wonders if he is not too decisive for our own good. The otuma-miguna exchange in the standard needs to be read and re-read by us all.
If you look at history you will see the state and religious institutions have always worked together. The state knows that most people have a religious gene and it is in the ineterest of the state that people remain religious. Religious people are easy to control - that is why they are called the flock. The religious leaders are the shepherds. The state therefore needs the regious leaders and cannot afford to antagonise them, especially in a poor 3rd world country where an uprising against the state can easily be organised. Havent you seen that when we have disasters like drought the state asks religious leaders to organise prayers to god to forgive the people and ease the suffering? That way people see they are to blame for the suffering and the state gets away with having done nothing. The two institutions need each other and their main objective is control.
Am therefore predicting that the so called yes-no war between the state and the churches will not be allowed to go very far. A truce will be called and an MOU signed stating that amendments will be initiated as soon as the constitution is passed. Am no "seer" of course but am making this prediction based on history.
RAO went to coast and gave a wide berth to matuga constituency where he should have been campaigning for odms' mwanyoha instead was in msambweni..mwakwere is going back to bunge.....may be part of the deal?
And what are these SERIOUS isssues bloggers shout to be discussing here whie dismissing Phil? Apart from parasitic intellualism where you all wait for Mwarang'ethe to troll the net and go gaga with no commensurate input. Typical Kenyans living national lies.
@Anonymous 10:56pm. You are assuming that Kenya's leaders are enlightened enough to know this. One gets the feeling that they don't know what they are doing by courting war with the church. I have heard some prominent personalities saying that if the YES camp wins, the church will lose legitimacy for saying NO. These so-called political leaders don't realize that if the church loses legitimacy, then the people will be free of moral sanction and the society will plunge into moral and spiritual chaos.
ati .....if the church loses legitimacy, then the people will be free of moral sanction and the society will plunge into moral and spiritual chaos........
That is typical evangelical scaremongering. Save us such cheap evangelism please.
ati .....if the church loses legitimacy, then the people will be free of moral sanction and the society will plunge into moral and spiritual chaos........
?????????????? does anyone agree we should keep the church away from our politics!!! History is littered with alot of evidence of how the church has been intolerant to people.You need not llok far but at Europe and the days of the crusaders!...
poor phil, he posted this article in jukwaa. it just received afew comments from his odmoronic friends. why is he bringing garbage and litter to Kumekucha? We want Mwarangethes sensible articles not moronic views.
ati .....if the church loses legitimacy, then the people will be free of moral sanction and the society will plunge into moral and spiritual chaos........
ati kenyans will be sinners if YEs wins! Reality check, We are already a corrupt tribal ethnic selfish greedy lot, and weve only began the best of these vices is yet to be...2008 post election violence was just the tip of the iceberg
Nimesema, And why not write SENSIBLE comments yourself instead on feeding off Mwarang'ethe's brain? Stop the parasistism. Hebu utuonyeshe what resides in between your ears and stop being an empty cheerleader. Will you TWAT?
@ http://www.nation.co.ke/News/PM%20says%20No%20camp%20behind%20Kenya%20woes/-/1056/912572/-/ikild4z/-/index.html, it is reported that:
"PM says No camp behind Kenya woes."
He said the new land policy was approved by the government, the Cabinet and Parliament and that it protects communal, public and private land.
“Why should some people now want to shoot down the draft constitution on basis of land?” Mr Odinga asked.
He said land was a precious commodity that should be made available to all Kenyans and used for wealth creation and not speculative purposes.
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We concur with the PM 100% that, land should be made available to all Kenyans amd must not be used for speculation.
Where we differ is how to achieve this objective. We are of the view that, when you divide land into communal, public and private, you have already gotten things wrong. When you add limitations to land sizes, we are on the way to economic chaos and uncertainty.
The best means of ensuring land is available to all while ending speculation once and for all, which brings economic chaos is to EQUALISE LAND RIGHTS.
More so, when we equalise land rights, which does not require more than 3 lines in the constitution, we do not need huge government machinery as the new constitution proposes to handle land matters.
But isn't a free market economy the best way to equalize land rights? I mean, it shouldn't matter which tribe you are or whether you were born rich or poor, but the fact that you can pay for land should make it available.
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Phil,
ReplyDeleteTake your shameless Raila Worship back to Jukwaa. Here we discuss issues, not what Raila vomits. Even babies know that if Raila had his way, we would have Majimbo ya Ukabila, a Parliamentary System where the Executive PM is choosen by fellow parliamentary thugs, and one kilometer one vote.
Here we say yes to the Katiba not because Raila wants it or not but because it embraces a directly elected presidency, a county as the devolution unit, and one person one vote.
Ninyi Worshippers mshindwe kabisa!
Raila should popularize the PNU katiba and after it is adopted, he should retire before he is humiliated by Kalonzo in the 2012 presidential sweepstakes.
ReplyDeleteIf Raila became President would Kenya be Kibera-nized? Just a question.
ReplyDeletehaters, don't you realize that the perenial railaphobics have gone AWOL because agwambo is now playing chess and not draughts that you haters understand best. MY ADVICE...grab a front seat and watch him play the kind of politics never before seen in kenya. tukutaneni kwa debe 2012...'OWA'GA AKINYI!!
ReplyDeleteWasnt this the same Phil who couldnt contain his excitement about the harmonized draft that had proposed the dangerous two centres of power?Didnt he reason then that the best thing to ever happen to Kenya was to have an executive PM and an executive president?These guys shift positions faster than you can say BLINK..!!
ReplyDeleteIt is true there is a big difference between raila and kalonzo. Raila has been described as a leader who takes decisions while kalonzo has been called a flip flopper. I see from today's papers that kalonzo's party is divided on the yes-no, with poghisio for no and mutula for yes. If this is the case I think it makes sense for kalonzo not to take a decisive position on the draft. The church leaders are also his friends as I understand he was once some kind of a lay preacher.
ReplyDeleteIt appears kanu is also divided on the katiba and again I think it makes sense for uhuru not to be too forthright about his position.
Contrast the above to raila's firm yes from day one. For raila it is odm which should follow him and not the other way round. That's why his supporters see him as decisive. But one wonders if he is not too decisive for our own good. The otuma-miguna exchange in the standard needs to be read and re-read by us all.
Negotiating and finding common ground are not signs of weakness. Even in your own home, you can't bulldoze everybody all the time.
ReplyDeleteIf you look at history you will see the state and religious institutions have always worked together. The state knows that most people have a religious gene and it is in the ineterest of the state that people remain religious. Religious people are easy to control - that is why they are called the flock. The religious leaders are the shepherds. The state therefore needs the regious leaders and cannot afford to antagonise them, especially in a poor 3rd world country where an uprising against the state can easily be organised. Havent you seen that when we have disasters like drought the state asks religious leaders to organise prayers to god to forgive the people and ease the suffering? That way people see they are to blame for the suffering and the state gets away with having done nothing. The two institutions need each other and their main objective is control.
ReplyDeleteAm therefore predicting that the so called yes-no war between the state and the churches will not be allowed to go very far. A truce will be called and an MOU signed stating that amendments will be initiated as soon as the constitution is passed. Am no "seer" of course but am making this prediction based on history.
RAO went to coast and gave a wide berth to matuga constituency where he should have been campaigning for odms' mwanyoha instead was in msambweni..mwakwere is going back to bunge.....may be part of the deal?
ReplyDeleteAnd what are these SERIOUS isssues bloggers shout to be discussing here whie dismissing Phil? Apart from parasitic intellualism where you all wait for Mwarang'ethe to troll the net and go gaga with no commensurate input. Typical Kenyans living national lies.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 10:56pm.
ReplyDeleteYou are assuming that Kenya's leaders are enlightened enough to know this. One gets the feeling that they don't know what they are doing by courting war with the church. I have heard some prominent personalities saying that if the YES camp wins, the church will lose legitimacy for saying NO. These so-called political leaders don't realize that if the church loses legitimacy, then the people will be free of moral sanction and the society will plunge into moral and spiritual chaos.
I am voting for Nick Clegg tommorrow, Thursday the 6! He will BE our next Prime Minister!!!
ReplyDeletewow,
ReplyDeletewhat a powerful man
ati .....if the church loses legitimacy, then the people will be free of moral sanction and the society will plunge into moral and spiritual chaos........
ReplyDeleteThat is typical evangelical scaremongering. Save us such cheap evangelism please.
ati .....if the church loses legitimacy, then the people will be free of moral sanction and the society will plunge into moral and spiritual chaos........
ReplyDelete?????????????? does anyone agree we should keep the church away from our politics!!! History is littered with alot of evidence of how the church has been intolerant to people.You need not llok far but at Europe and the days of the crusaders!...
poor phil, he posted this article in jukwaa.
ReplyDeleteit just received afew comments from his odmoronic friends. why is he bringing garbage and litter to Kumekucha?
We want Mwarangethes sensible articles not moronic views.
Nimesema
ati .....if the church loses legitimacy, then the people will be free of moral sanction and the society will plunge into moral and spiritual chaos........
ReplyDeleteati kenyans will be sinners if YEs wins! Reality check, We are already a corrupt tribal ethnic selfish greedy lot, and weve only began the best of these vices is yet to be...2008 post election violence was just the tip of the iceberg
Nimesema,
ReplyDeleteAnd why not write SENSIBLE comments yourself instead on feeding off Mwarang'ethe's brain? Stop the parasistism. Hebu utuonyeshe what resides in between your ears and stop being an empty cheerleader. Will you TWAT?
@ http://www.nation.co.ke/News/PM%20says%20No%20camp%20behind%20Kenya%20woes/-/1056/912572/-/ikild4z/-/index.html, it is reported that:
ReplyDelete"PM says No camp behind Kenya woes."
He said the new land policy was approved by the government, the Cabinet and Parliament and that it protects communal, public and private land.
“Why should some people now want to shoot down the draft constitution on basis of land?” Mr Odinga asked.
He said land was a precious commodity that should be made available to all Kenyans and used for wealth creation and not speculative purposes.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
We concur with the PM 100% that, land should be made available to all Kenyans amd must not be used for speculation.
Where we differ is how to achieve this objective. We are of the view that, when you divide land into communal, public and private, you have already gotten things wrong. When you add limitations to land sizes, we are on the way to economic chaos and uncertainty.
The best means of ensuring land is available to all while ending speculation once and for all, which brings economic chaos is to EQUALISE LAND RIGHTS.
More so, when we equalise land rights, which does not require more than 3 lines in the constitution, we do not need huge government machinery as the new constitution proposes to handle land matters.
But isn't a free market economy the best way to equalize land rights? I mean, it shouldn't matter which tribe you are or whether you were born rich or poor, but the fact that you can pay for land should make it available.
ReplyDelete