The talks over the grand coalition cabinet have collapsed.
A short while ago the two principals held separate press conferences accusing each other.
To cut to the chase it was obvious who was lying. Extremely obvious.
Raila Odinga read a lengthy statement complete with dates and details of how the negotiations have proceeded thus far up to the current deadlock. What he said rang true. After his statement he then answered questions from the press. This was in sharp contrast to President Kibaki's shifty eyes as he read his statement. He almost looked embarrassed. He then refused to answer any questions from the press. nstead he consulted briefly with Internal security minister George Saitoti and Vice prsident Kalonzo Musyoka before getting into his limousine and leaving. Although Saitoti has been the emissary between Raila and Kibaki in negotiations over the last few days, I believe that President Kibaki thinks he is ready this time for any eventuality. In fact the president has been planning a long time for such an eventuality as this when tensions rise in the country and violence threatens once again. As you read this, that is exactly where Kenya is tonight.
Raila says that one of the main stumbling blocks towards progress is the fact that PNU believe that the constitution gives the president sweeping powers that supersede anything that may have been legislated from the Anan talks.
Another obvious pointer to who is to blame for the collapse of the negotiations between PNU and ODM over the cabinet appointments can clearly be seen from the proposed PNU list. The party, in contravention of the new law (yes, that list breaks the law) want to keep all the powerful ministries and give ODM the meaningless portfolios like Nairobi affairs. Can you imagine PNU hanging on even to the nely proposed ministry of cabinet affairs?
I will be giving you updates on this post as I continue to gather information from various insider sources on both sides of the political divide. Please stay with me for the next 3 hours or so.
Final Update
This circus is getting very interesting. ODM declined an invitation by KTN to be interviewed live during their 9 pm news. PNU accepted and sent in Local government minister Uhuru Kenyatta who cleverly dodged all questions by repeating the mantra that the appointment of the cabinet is the sole prerogative of the president. He then introduced the point that ODM wanted the entire civil service split along party lines. Actually if truth be told he sounded quite hallow and did not add any value to the news item for KTN viewers. Little wonder that in the SMS comments at the end of the news, one viewer reminded the president that he serves at the pleasure of the Kenyan people.
The truth is that the PNU argument is thin and there is too much "evidence" all over the place pointing to where the problem really is, including the PNU list that attempts to distribute the ministries. It is actually laughable because PNU retains all the powerful key ministries. Some portfolio balance.
ODM on the other hand has all the documentation to prove their case including correspondence and documentary evidence of the reversal of PNU's position between Thursday and Saturday morning when their letter with brand new cabinet positions arrived at ODM headquarters.
PNU have nothing but allegations to prove their side of the story. Seems like ODM were a little ahead of the game here.
Sadly, calling this a game is really insensitive and off the mark because there are valuable Kenyan lives at stake here. I just have received a report from one of my sources on the ground that tensions were very high over the weekend in Naivasha. You can imagine what the situation is now after the collapse of the cabinet talks.
But the really scary thing here is that the government side seems to be a little too pleased for comfort. What this latest development means is that it will be business as usual for the Kibaki administration. They are already running government and will continue to do so with or without ODM. This is classic example of where the law is being broken with impunity when it suits the government. And yet when it favors them they will always fall back on the same law. In other words the law in Kenya is toilet paper to those in power. Valuable when you go into that small room but you quickly use, dumb and flash down the toilet.
I would love at this point to read some a comment from those who have already applied for Safaricom shares like Proud Kikuyu Woman (PKW) and others. This is because the current situation does not augur well for the stability of the nation over the next few weeks and months.
The big question Kenyans across the political divide need to ask themselves now is what next?
According to me we have 3 simple options;
1. Fresh general elections as soon as possible.
2. Secession. Republic of Kenya and Republic of Mount Kenya.
3. Chaos.
I leave you dear readers to chew on that.
God have mercy on Kenya.
Huyu mwendawazimu aitwae KIBAKI??
ReplyDeleteI attempted to watch his response on the youtube link..unpalatable. He is such a shameful liar..THE THIEF IS SURELY DULY SICK, Ati he was surprised by ODMs' new demands which are not envidaged in the accord.....IT'S TIME TO REMOVE THIS FOOL OUT OF THAT STOLEN SIT..FORCEFULLY IF NECESSARY.
HE IS NAUSEATING ATI HE'S WAITED THE WHOLE DAY FOR RAILA!
YOU THING RAILA IS THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY YOU THIEF!!!!!!!!!!!
Fortunately, I am not shocked coz I never saw Raila and Kibaki shaking, or smiling, or playing golf together.. pole if you read or saw that. First, it is very clear that PNU have trashed the agreement coz portfolio balance doesn't mean giving one side ministry of water while you take finance, defence, internal security, justice, foreign etc. But as always, I believe ODM also committed suicide in agreeing to that agreement in the first place. They missed one VERY IMPORTANT statement: that in the even of the coalition collapsing, there should be a general election. Now, I am sorry, but PNU have it all and had it all always. So what are Raila's options? If protests break out, it would be seeing as though he is using it for political gain. He can also use the international community but they are comfortable with Kibaki as long as Africa's Guantanamo (read Ethiopia) doesn't run out of prisoners. But if I were Raila, I would never ever leave PNU have it all. They are thieves, murderers who deserve
ReplyDeleteSPEAKER MARENDE IS NEED NOW TO FORM THE INTERIM GOVERNMENT IMMEDIATELY
ReplyDeleteWHERE IS HE THE FOOL HE HAS TO STAND UP AND USE HIS POWERS AS THE SPEAKER TO FORM IT-
YOU HAD KIBAKI SAY THE WORK IS STILL GOING ON ?? WHICH WORK! WHO HAS EMPLOYED HIM?? NOT KENYANS SO J=HE CAN GO BE PAID BY THE KIKUYU MAFIA TIME UP KENYANS NEED TO STAND UP AND STOP THIS NOW!! NOT TOMORROW!!
ATI HE HAS SAITOTI AND KILONZA SHOWING MUSCLE BEHIND HIM- DOES NOT SCARE US- WE GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE- HIS PEOPLE ARE THE MOST IN THE IDP'S CAMPS THE RELATIVES OF THE MAU MAU VETERANS THEY DISPLACED FROM CENTRAL SHAME ON THEM SHAME ON ALL KIKUYU'S WHO KNEW THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY DID TO THEIR HERO'S BANISHED THEM FROM CENTRAL WITH NO LAND TO SETTLE ON WHEN THEY RETURNED FROM THE BUSH AFTER INDEPENDENCE!!! SHAME SHAME!NO WONDER KIBAKI DOES NOT WANT THIS POOR PEOPLE BACK - THEY ARE A THORN IN THEIR BACK-YARD
If only ODM had included the provision of a general election shoudl PNU do what they know best: reneging on promises and agreements. But then again, who am I to believe that they would respect the agreement. Still, I have this feeling that it would have stopped them from playing games. Either way, we hope for the best.
ReplyDeleteChris thanks for the news.
ReplyDeleteIronically while Kenya democracy is back-tracking and as Zimbabwe is mark-timing, its relief to witness developments in Botswana.
Surely, doesnt these PNU guys have political analysts. Right now, even the Kenyan press - which was already being touted as the opposition in Kenyan politics - stands accused. While it has taken Chris just under 30 minutes to figure out and publish a post about who is dishonest and taking Kenyans for a ride in this saga, the Kenyan press has been publishing editorials and commentaries blaming both Raila and Kibaki. Why cant Kibaki be told-off by the standards and nations of this world?
Today, yet again, the whole world has seen first hand who the true leader of this country is. It did not help matters that some of those accompanied Kibaki are similarly rejected presidential candidates (Uhuru, Kalonzo) Talk of birds of a feather!
I have been telling people here at Kumekucha that negotiation is a matter of give and take. ODM has been giving since January. But it appears to PNU negotiation is take, take and take for these geezers.
Kenyans have been bracing for the worst for a long time unlike some of these vote-less, foul mouthed diasporians who are only good at dismissing other people's opinions and copy pasting reuters breaking news....u know who them anonymouses are.
It is not a favour Kibaki is doing for ODM. I said it before , WE SHALL SEE.
By the way Abass Raila did mention in the press conference should all else fail, New Elections is certainly an option...
ReplyDeleteShould Annan return, I believe he said he's ready to return..Annan hello? That very fundamental loophole will be filled, i.e what happens come the collapse or end of the coalition. THERE IS MORE IN THAT ACCORD THAN MEETS THE EYE MY FRIENDS. THERE IS PLAN B, WHY WOULD ANNAN SAY THINGS LIKE "WE WILL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET THERE" when asked what happens come the end of the coalition & why are some ODM members comforatbly calling for elections??
..PNU is not ouf of the woods, they are heading down that mtaka yote hukosa yote road..& this time there will be no bloodshed my friends. PNU is the one commiting suicide, PUNU is the one thats digging its own grave with their every idiotic moves, not ODM. WATCH, WAIT & IT SHALL UNFOLD RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES.
P.s, should chaos break out it will be purely out of frustration. But wait PNU will claim , ODM had planned it all along...nyef, nyef, nyef!!!
Abass, thank you for that comment. Today, I have the chance of breaking my own rule of not posting during the week.
ReplyDeleteAbass, when I said that here three weeks ago, I was called all names. Despite the fact that it was in black and white that IN THE EVENT THAT ONE OF THE TWO FELT AGGRIEVED THEY SHOULD WALK OUT.
Abass, everything that was done, was hurriedly done. After the collapse of the Koffi Annan talks at Serena just before Koffi engaged in a one-to-one with Mwai Kibaki and Raila Odinga, some lawyers from both sides should have read it.
There were obvious mistakes and loopholes and from whatever angle you look at the agreement, Kibaki remained the superior partner. The hegemonic say he had on the whole thing spelt domination and in that case, ODM were at his mercy.
I know people here hate me for saying some things, because of my political stand, but when natural justice comes knocking, I personally have my own opinion, feelings and like any other person in the country, I commit, my blood, tears and sweat to the pursuit of fair hearing, representation and all therein.
I even reminded people that with Kibaki chairing the cabinet, he has all the powers and the only thing ODM can do now, is either to accept half fish or no fish.
Down to the ministries in question, there is no way ODM would have Defence, Energy, Finance, Internal Security, Foreign Affairs, Roads, Local Government, Provincial Administration, cabinet Office, truffle, fishcake, and all dessert as they thought. What would have remained on the PNU side??? Honestly, apart from Finance and Energy, the other ministries are attached to the presidency.
On another note, the idea of sharing the ministries should not even have involved the talks as they have been. It shows the weakness of the presidency and now he has to contend with a robust force that obviously makes his minders look lethargic.
Well, on another note, Raila was also played last night when they issued a joint-statement that somebody insulted me here over, for saying ‘substantial progress.’ It was a commitment that he undertook and made PNU sleep tight. Now, he has made a Mickey of himself for not even going to meet Kibaki and sending an emissary.
My pick of all these….BULLSHIT!
-Derek-
Kenyans you never learn.
ReplyDeleteKibaki and Raila are buddies and both are enjoying state security.
What about their supporters who braved the rain and bitting cold to vote for them? IDPS.
Both are happy with the status quo otherwise Raila could have refused his state security becoz after all he is still not in office legally ( no oath taken)
POOR KENYANS GO TO THE STREET AGAIN!!!!!!?
is it too early to say i told u so?!!
ReplyDeletethis is kibaki the foolish mungiki thief!! conman!! robber!! burglar!! jambazi!!
mwizi yeye!!
oops and it happened again! so who is in the drivers seat?? Raila says tey agreed on totally different cabinet structure when he met with Kibaki??
ReplyDeletethis has shown all Kenyans and the world that kibaki is not in power- does it remained you when kenyatta went senile mt. kenya mafia(GEMA) ruled for a while?? so who is behind this
1. uhuru
2. Martha Karua
3. Saitoti
4. Michuki
5. kilonzo
and i hear 3 others individuals whose names i was not given and of course including the coward kibaki changing every second!!
some says it is a delay tactic for other things they are trying to hide or sweep under
Abbas, the only commitment that could have carried the day, would have been...IN CASE THE PARTERS FAIL TO AGREE AND ONE WALKS OUT...THERE WILL BE A GENERAL ELECTION. Sorry, they never thought about that. I believe that such a loophole could have been noticed by the draughtsmen if Koffi involved PNU and ODM.
ReplyDeleteAs it is, a disillusioned partner has only one option, walk out and occupy the opposition benches in parliament. And also come to think about it as somebody has mentioned in a post above, why has Kibaki not officially pronounced Raila Odinga as the PM???
That post is out of these talks. And people here should remember my pick on the remaining talks at the Serena Peace Conference. The conference will go on and on and on and on…It will take eternity to conclude the talks and what happens, Kenya get peaceful and the aggrieved party will start throwing stones and the blame will be squarely on one’s feet.
-Derek-
deroo
ReplyDeletethese are difficult times and so its ok for you to break from your tradition
but still the emphasis on this agreement for a coalition aka peace accord was "political solution". i.e it would have severe limitations if subjected to typical legalese. it needed to have some nominal reference to the laws of the land including accomodation into the constitution, really because kibaki cannot be trusted otherwise it would have just been a mutually agreeable MOU or gentlemans understanding. the key therefore was for both sides to show magnanimity and reasonable concessions from hard liner stances and work together even on contentious issues such as ministries held dear.
PNU/kibaki has NOT moved from hard liner stance. only concession so far is in agreeing to meet/host annan team
as for sharing / portfolio balance it has not been evidenced in the lineup
is short PNU hasa reneged on the peace accord. so now what?
I wonder if Annan really saw this coming. Where's the international pressure. We need intervention and a resolution to this crises fast.
ReplyDeleteKibaki and PNU are ready for war saitoti has been placing all the trainers (mungiki's) in strategic areas if kenyans start they will hit them hard-but they have no idea what a might of angry people can so!! that statehouse they want to rule by force will also come down- meaning there will be no one to rule!! this is not the 60's to 90's when kenyans were still quiet -we have too many unemployed kenyans who have really suffered and they don''t see like that important than fighting for the future democracy for hteir children!! it will be nasty but in the end there will be democracy should PNU decide to take that route- I understand even the IDP's are questions what happened to their veterans lands- so i guess htey will join in to claim what was taken from them from central!! and guess what none of this pnu members will be able to leave the country no visa's and all their kids and families this time will be send back to kenya I'm hearing murmur's in the corridors-
ReplyDeletewhere will they hide from angry starving kenyans who do not have jobs and have a meal every other day!! I'm seeing Romania in the 80's happening - the people took over the state and this will be kenya soon!! you saw the civil society in action!! it started like that and ordinary Romanians joined in!! watch kenya closely- it is starting to happen- so in the end kibaki and his cronies will have achieved nothing and lost everything because of greed!!
Anon @ 11:16,
ReplyDeleteThe argument over the last four weeks has been based on ONE THING... THE PEACE ACCORD. We agreed on this…we agreed on this…this is what the agreement says and so on.
The accord has been the reference point and people have drummed the accord detail so many times and as I maintain, the devil is in the detail. My friend, for as long as the accord remains, referring to Mwai Kibaki as the president of Kenya, then any other person trying to do anything and as it stands, Kibaki calls the shots.
If not so, by now, Raila or ODM to make it look a party affair should have announced the ODM ministers and the portfolios. Bringing back Annan into this thing will serve as another shame to the country.
CANT WE AGREE???
-Derek-
thank god. i was scared that ODM would fall for PNU bull shit.
ReplyDelete3 options remain now:
(a) Fresh elections
(b) Anan back to do afresh 50:50
(c) Secession with Lesotho principles
PHIL...
ReplyDelete"Surely, doesnt these PNU guys have political analysts. Right now, even the Kenyan press - which was already being touted as the opposition in Kenyan politics - stands accused. While it has taken Chris just under 30 minutes to figure out and publish a post about who is dishonest and taking Kenyans for a ride in this saga, the Kenyan press has been publishing editorials and commentaries blaming both Raila and Kibaki. Why cant Kibaki be told-off by the standards and nations of this world?"
I HAVE NO CLUE HOW YOU READ MY MIND..WHY IS THE LOCAL MEDIA NOT TELLING THE TRUTH?
THEIR COMMENTARIES WHICH THEY FEEL ARE UP TO PAR "WE WERE THE FIRST TO.." ARE UTTERLY DISGUSTING. I HAVE ASKED MYSELF IF THEY SERVING OTHER INTERESTS. K.T.N ONCE ASKED "ARE THESE LEADERS MISSING THE POINT?" WHEN NAMING OF THE CABINET WAS INITIALLY DELAYED. WHY CAN'T THEY TELL MWAI KIBAKI HE STOLE THE ELECTION & NEEDS TO RESPECT THE ACCORD TO THE LATTER, WHY NOT PUT THE BLAME SQUARELY WHERE IT BELONGS?
WHY CANT K.T.N, STANDARD...NO NEED TO MENTION D.N, UPHOLD THE TRUTH IN THESE TOUGH TIMES? WE KENYANS ARE NOT FOOLS K.T.N, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NOT THE KENYANS OF YESTERYEAR YOU CAN NOT TAKE US FOR CHILDREN!!!!
YESTERDAY BEATRICE MARSHALL HAD THE AUDACITY TO ASK, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF PORTFOLIO BALANCE?
NOT SO LONG AGO WHEN PNU WAS PULLING ITS THEATRICS, K.T.N WONDERED WHY ODM WILL JUST NOT TAKE WHAT PNU WAS OFFERING FOR THE SAKE OF PEACE & WHEN THEY DID..SHOCKING AS IT WAS, GUESS WHAT K.T.N WAS AT IT AGAIN!
SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF I&M BUILDING ASKING "DO THEY NOT SEE THE NEED FOR A LEAN CABINET"
MY VERY FIRST ISSUE WITH K.T.N/STANDARD IS THAT THEY ARE NOT INTENT ON URAVELLING THE TRUTH OF THE DISPUTED 2007 ELECTION. THAT THEY REPEATED IN TODAYS ISSUE. HOW DO YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITHOUT DISSECTING THE CAUSE? HOW DO YOU BUILD THE PEOLES LOST CONFIDENCE IN DEMOCRACY IF YOU CANNOT TELL THEM WHO WON THE ELECTION AFTER THEY TURNED UP IN RECORD NUMBERS TO CAST THEIR VOTES?
THEY EVEN INSINUATED THAT KENYANS NEED PEACE AT ANY COST...NO K.T.N/STANDARD KENYANS DO NOT NEED PEACE AT ANY COST..SO THAT WE CAN WE BE VIOLATED?
THIS WAS BEST DEPECTED BY HIS EXCELLENCY THE PRESIDENT RAILA ODINGA RIGHT AFTER THAT FATEFUL DECEMBER 30TH
"I CAN NOT GIVE KENYANS ANAESTHETIC AS THEY ARE BEING RAPED"
Annan should only come to arrange for an interim government while mechanism are put in place for the next elections- nothing less- no time for this stupidity being played out by pnu- time out!!! interim government- where is marende the speaker??? can someone explain which powers he holds to call for an interim governing body??
ReplyDeleteChris and Phil,
ReplyDeleteYou guys have done a fantastic job bringing us the latest news. This is what cutting edge blogging is about. Facts and speed.
Guys, looks like we're back to where it started. At a time like this, we must call on Kenyans to stand firmly behind our leaders. They are going to need our prayers and encouragement in the days ahead.
We shall overcome!
anon 10:59, Raila can mention that, in fact he has being mentioning it for a very long time. Other Pentagon members like Ruto did the same. But there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the act that provides for such a thing. In other words, if the coalition fails, it is back to status quo. I just wonder how Raila (and Orengo) never thought of this especially since they know PNU.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeletePHIL...
"Surely, doesnt these PNU guys have political analysts. Right
hey slow down you are mixing the newspapers it was daily nation not East Africa standard that refused to release the results!! where the hell are you getting your propaganda information???
go back and read facts and get your story straight the Daily nation owned by Mt. kenya mafia is the one which refused to release THE RESULTS AND YOU SHOULD GO READ THE STORIES REPORTED IN THE NATION CLOSELY BEFORE YOU PAUKA ON HERE!!
Anon above @ 11:26, things are different in the Kenyan papers. Yesterday, the papers were talking about the naming of the cabinet while KUMEKUCHANS had debated about the flop on Saturday night. Infact, there is one of the big two that could not change some stories for Sunday….
ReplyDeleteThat is the difference between stiff-collar journalism and other people.
If you look at it further, they are the ones who have been raising the level of anticipation by writing about the ministries, even before they have been agreed. The difference is day and night
-Derek-
anon 11:23
ReplyDeletelets not speculate and issue threats. am a staunch ODM supporter and no doubt you are too
lets put in place concrete strategies and let our supporters know these strategies.
going to the streets for physical confrontation with security forces is ill-advised
the most effective tool is to starve the govt of financial resources aka targetted economic boycotts against gava revenues and PNU friendly money making machines. lets list them and suggest boycott methods.
many of us are not prepared (do not have resources) for a sustained physical encounter with armed forces and it would be futile as we have seen to anticipate sympathy from supporter in the army or police as we have seen they are cowards or otherwise unable to come out in support.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletePHIL...
"Surely, doesnt these PNU guys have political analysts. Right now, even the Kenyan press -
WHERE HAVE YOU CRAWLED FROM??it is the daily nation gutter press that write lies or stories in favour of Kibaki and never comes out with a straight story!! so why are you here training to tarnish the Standard news paper you pnu pretender?? try your propaganda else where- most Kenyans buy Standard because even during elections it fought very hard to tell kenyans the truth unlike the daily Nation even during elections and after it was pro kibaki !!
Take your stupid attacks on the standard else where ati now you are trying to promote the daily nation here?? it will not work!!
Goodnight, Laleni unono!!! Alamski
ReplyDelete-Derek-
abass please read the rest of the 10:59 response.....
ReplyDeleteI think he/she has said more than the 1st line!!
as it has been said already ODm are done wait as long as you want for Annan he ain't coming the international community does not care about Kenya that was yesterday's news Zimbabwe and Tibet are todays ODM decided to going singing on the streets rather than read the small print Executive PM what powers. It is best you understand one thing Mt Elgon was the excuse army and security forces have been mobilising and PNU are now itching for a fight go to the streets start your games in the rift and you will be crushed to the stone ages, the choice is a simple one accept what you have been offered or move on the will be no elections, no Annan you made your bed no sleep in it.
ReplyDeleteYou only have to look at the body language during both press conferences ODM everybody sombre PNU people laughing and cracking jokes they know they have Raila by the balls and do not care, it seems revenge is a dish best served cold.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteanon 11:23
lets not speculate and issue threats. am a staunch ODM supporter and no doubt you are too
hey not to worry all has been thought through- do you really odm organ was not preparing for this and don't know what Kibaki's PNU using the police and army have been planning:) you see the beauty of having different tribes in both forces- insider information is passed on- kibaki will not rule by force- the will of the people will comne through i promise you that- there are many ways to bring PNU to its knees- watch and wait!! when their people lose loved ones in central and mourn too then maybe they will understand the pain and sorrow of other tribes- before they go through that- to them it is just a movie from another planet!! let them mourn close to home then just maybe they will learn to share and live with other kenyans- we are not worried let the struggle continue:)
11:35....
ReplyDeleteDO NOT TAKE EVERYTHING STANDARD DOES AT FACE VALUE...A WORD OF ADVICE FOR YOU.
DID YOU READ THE EDITORIAL COMMENTARY TODAY? GO EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!!
How can you trust ODM with managing a country when they can not even get a simple contract right, they country would lose big time if they acted so carelessly when negotiating country positions no wonder they can not be trusted with any serious ministries
ReplyDeleteMwizi Kibaki hana pakujificha...Mheshimiwa Raila kamvua kabuti leo! Kibaki ni mwongo na mlaghai, kamwe astahili mamlaka ya rais!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS479dEDABY
anon 11:26
ReplyDeletei like your options
way i see it
a) agree and resolve coalition with equal power sharing, no more concessions, ODM gets the ministries with teeth, fresh composition of cabinet and ministries and portfolios from scratch.
or else
b) break the coalition
c) start process for new elections
d) set stage for a very hostile parliamentary calender in the period preceding the elections. remember budget day is round the corner, kibaki needs to have his act together by then or else there will be no budget day
e) forcibly remove kibaki from presidency
f) proceed with secession and self determination
g) kibaki and his gava should face tremendous difficulty trying to operate anywhere else
h)sustained economic boycotts and civil uprising or mass actions and protests until c e and f are attained
Annon 11.43 do not kid yourself that ODM have a plan for this and that they are not in the driving seat they are spectators to someone elses game so just sit back and enjoy the ride. ODM is finished PNU are preparing to put the final nails in the coffin
ReplyDeleteanon 11:43 11:48
ReplyDeleteas i said b4 and many others keep saying, either give details or dont bother using up the space
A common ODM misconception is that they can call mass action civil unrest etc. Where was it at the lauch of the Safaricom IPO, or at the Nairobi memorial service a couple of hundred goons does not constitute mass action even prior to the accord and after Naivasha and Nakuru that call was defunct so lets see which army they can muster to waste peoples time. The people are not your pawns to be led down the garden path to death and destruction apart from the few who according to Orengo know what to do best the rest will just watch you be cut down to size
ReplyDelete65% of army is from western kenya.
ReplyDeletego figure what will happen next.
deroo 11:24
ReplyDeleteyes deroo, we are stuck, i acknowledge that. am asking you what is the best way forward. i.e today, 1 year and upto next elections. i konw you are realist but not necessarily supportive of status quo although at times thats what it appears to some.
suggest clear methods to help out, we have a bad situation here.
I know who scares me more the thousands that turned up on the streets supporting the jailed Mungiki leader or the hundred odd stone throwing mass action crowd. Do not start wars without an army, so walk the walk and don't just alk the talk
ReplyDeleteanon 11:54 more wasted space with idle threats
ReplyDeleteAnon. 11.57 please understand a basic fact there will be no election unless Kibaki calls for one where does it state that there will be an election prior to 2012, please show where other than in your mind
ReplyDeleteI agree with anon 11:53 on the previous anons. Either such people should stop wearing the keys on their keyboards with unnecessary threats or they better style up and justify their lines of thought with well informed and mature arguments rather than displaying ignorance on this public forum.
ReplyDeleteanon 11:59
ReplyDeletei said next election whether thats in 2008, 9 or 2012 or 2020, i did not put a date so the date you perceived is in your mind
Anon. 12.01 just because you do not like it does not mean you should not believe it, wait and see PNU no longer cares for ODM's games and they will proceed regardless of whatever ODM does or threatens to do they really do not see there significance and already know that there are several ODM MP's that are willing to work with them I know the truth hurts but maybe it is time you got a taste of reality
ReplyDeletePolitics in Kenya is such a nasty game. My God, this is like the theatre of the absurd!!
ReplyDeleteRhyymemaster
the greatest wonder of all is that people chanting war cries here are nestled somewhere safe in chicago, toronto, london and new york!
ReplyDeletecoming to taunt people in kumekucha with your armies and what nots? are you bringing bush's forces? people are scared senseless in kenya and you are making it even worse!
am shocked njoroge kabeteshire of alliance high school of kikuyu mp(2012) minister (2013) working in nevada has not arrived yet!
11.57 what is the bad situation I think it would be worse if the two were to work together and have this nonsence for the next five years, better to annul a marrage early on when you realise you have made a mistake then live unhappily until the inevitable divorce
ReplyDeleteanon 12:08
ReplyDeletedetails or its just more hot gas,
am sure there are PNU mps willing to work with ODM so what does that say. NOTHING
anon 11:26
ReplyDeletei like your options
way i see it
a) agree and resolve coalition with equal power sharing, no more concessions, ODM gets the ministries with teeth, fresh composition of cabinet and ministries and portfolios from scratch.
or else go to hell
b) break the coalition GO AHEAD WHO CARES
c) start process for new elections YES 2012
d) set stage for a very hostile parliamentary calender in the period preceding the elections. remember budget day is round the corner, kibaki needs to have his act together by then or else there will be no budget day WHO SUFFERS MOST KIBAKI OR KENYANS
e) forcibly remove kibaki from presidency WITH MASS PROTESTS?
f) proceed with secession and self determination TREASON : KAMITI MATERIAL
g) kibaki and his gava should face tremendous difficulty trying to operate anywhere else ONLY IN KISUMU AND ELDORET
h)sustained economic boycotts and civil uprising or mass actions and protests until c e and f are attained MONEY BELONGS TO PNU
Anon 12.11 why you scared senseless you been living in a false sense of security better to be scared and know the truth and what the threat is than to believe you are safe when in fact you are not, if people want to fight hey will fight do not play with matches and then cry when the fire burns out of control and you get burnt
ReplyDeleteAnon 12.13 why would a PNU MP work with ODM what do they have to offer sharpen up your arguments,thats like me saying I would work with you how would that help me
ReplyDelete12:20
ReplyDeleteu missed the point
I thought words like the prerogative of His Excellency were watered down by the National Accord!! UK used the word close to 10 times in his live discussion with Beatrice Marshall of KTN in a span of less than 4 minutes. Kenya's future is bleak......LOL
ReplyDeleteOn this one, ODM/Raila have been played. It will forever be remembered that it was Raila who shunned the last meeting with Kibaki. The actual true details of the PNU shenanigans will be lost in translation. Martha Karua is already drafting an official letter per the agreement..to pull out of the coalition. So in effect, it is over guys. We must succumb to the whims of PNU and forcibly accept Kibaki as president….if only for peace. By the way, Mungiki folk have infiltrated the security ranks and are currently spread all over; so forget going to the street protests and going back home with your head intact. Encouraging civil disobedience and boycotts is suicide for Raila….after all, Safaricom is over and he probably bought some shares.
ReplyDeleteThe reality that the elections were stolen is no longer an entity. The whole world has moved on. Today both ODM and PNU have 107 MPs, 6 are up for grabs. If PNU wins 4, they might as well install Uhuru as prime minister….. Not based on any coalition agreement, but simply because the premiership is now law. This is classic chess folks.
So what options does Raila have? He can either lead his supporters to the streets in demand for new elections and thereby end up in detention or at some office at a university somewhere in Europe…. or he can shut up and enjoy the white gloved motorcade…which Kibaki will take back after things cool down.
So what are the options for ODM supporters? We can go back to the drawing board with our tails between our legs or we can go to the streets and wait for the riot squad to squash our knees. We may also choose to face the reality that nothing will change until somewhere between 2077 and 2097.
So what options do Kibaki and PNU have? Only one. They must now go and embark on a serious goat eating escapade. They have won. All we can do is hope they choke on it.
PNU has thirty something MPs.
ReplyDeletethey have a coalition of sorts with other parties. the coalitions come to play when there is no single majority from a single large party
At least it seems that Tsvangirai has some sort of plan and even in Zimbabwe is willing to wait and formulate a strategy even follow the rule of law and be relevant to fight another day. The international community and people respect a man like this Raila is just a joke all this noise and nonsense for 4 moths to get us here I think ODM should look deep within and find new leadersip that is up to the task. The only time we will go to the streets is behind him and his whole family let them feel what we feel rather than watching us on TV getting shot and hacked to death
ReplyDeletepnu are wasting your time trying to feel secure in your own rigged shit- do you really believe that kenyans will let you rule them for another 5 years?? then i guess you are in dream land yet again!!when kenyans reacted you started screaming foul!!look where majority of your tribesmen are?? camps- by the way we understand some mp members said wacha wakufe so long as we hold on to power- so you see kenyans know you don't really care about the IDP's in the camps and they are actually a burden for central province - preferably dead then the situation will be better for the guys in central province- in fact i understand the plan is to cause CHAO'S so that the wanaichi in those province kill the IDP'S IN THE CAMPS THEM KIBAKI CALLS A STATE OF EMERGENCY!! IT WILL NOT WORK- ODM HAS ALREADY INFORMED IT PEOPLE NOT TO HURT THOSE PEOPLE AND THE REAL ENEMIES ARE THE PNU MP'S IN POWER- SO YOU SEE SAITOTI AND HS GOONS ARE BEING WATCHED VERY CLOSELY ON WHERE THEY WANT TO START TROUBLE AND BLAME ODM- SOURCES ON THE GROUND SAY- EVERY KENYAN IN ALL THE PROVINCES HAVE BEEN TOLD TO BE TO THE LOOK OUT AND REPORT ANYTHING SUSPICIOUS TO THE PARTY ORGAN!!
ReplyDeletewhere was this okwengo "army" when 0.6m were pumped out?
ReplyDeletewhere are the "okwengo solidarity" ministers as 0.6m experience camps?
while Kikuyu IDP's umia in tents their okwengo ministers are "busy".
And these people want to tell us they care about IDP's?
if a kikuyu minister cant even care about a kikuyu IDP, what proof is there, they will care about a pokot herdsman, a maasai pastoralist farmer, a luo fisherman, a kisii farmer, a luyia sportmans, a kamba messenger, a giriama watchman, a digo graduate, a meru civil servant, a somali landlord, etc
Permanent Wealth Losses incurred by KYUK IDP's
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800,0000 displaced people (divide by 4 to get number of households) comes to about 200,000 households.
Personal Property Wealth (Ngombe, Shamba, Nyumba, Mbuzi, Ka-biashara kadogo, Some Savings, Mbolea, Mizigo, Small-tenders, Ka-gari) comes to about 1-2m Kshs range per household.
Total Group Personal Property (before Jan-08) is - 200,000 households MULTIPLY by 1-2m range = 200-400 Billion Kshs.
80% of these walikuwa watu wa Central (250-320-Billion Kshs).
Okwengo Wealth Recovery efforts will be hampered by:
- Lost access to Western, major parts of RV, Nyanza and Coast
- Lost access to parts of Nairobi
- Emergence of other people to perform the small-medium biasharas
- Emergence of Indians and Somalis to perform big-time biasharas
- Devolution is coming soon to a town and village near you
- Grand coalition which will ensure equity and access to ALL
12:40pm - tunajua game ya okwengo.
ReplyDeletebut wakati mbio ya Lesotho italia, wewe ndiye utapamba moto.
usi niulize ni kwa nini. soma label
yaja karibu nawe hivi karibuni.
AFRICANS LOVE STUPID PRESIDENTS.
ReplyDeleteKenya is no exemption. But I'm happy that today many Kenyans have learnt to differenciate between darkness and light.
Kibaki is a leader of darkness. Those who want to bring light to Kenya should join hands and throw him to where he belongs: Mt Kenya.
He can officiate over Mungiki graduations and FMG initiations. Central Province should become an independent state. Final.
Anon 12.40 what party organ you truely believe ODM has any organ rather than a bunch of guys sitting around Pentagon house waiting to be employed, which looks like it will not happen. Understand one thing Campaign is over all those people that gave up there time and money for the 'movement' are the most pissed off in fact they are the ones who feel they are being held hostage by the politician and just want jobs they have been out of work for months now and have to pay the bills. the secretariat is now running on a skelaton staff they can not even up date their web-sites times are tough do not be fooled ODM are through people will not be blindly led like goats to the slaughter
ReplyDeletewhat?? i had rumors on ground and i thought it was a joke or just the usual stories in this uncertain times
ReplyDeletei would not put it past PNU organs to plan such a disaster hoping that ODM supporters would react- and harm people in the camps- I'm glad the ODM organ has told it's supporters to watch out - if i were them i would also warn them to look out for the mungiki pretending to be IDP's in camps since they are kikuyu's they can pass easily and start murdering people and claim it is the opposition!!
Remember they even tried to claim that the opposition assassinated Were - this fools- when people are cornered that is when they become most dangerous- i also understand odm is being feed intelligence from out side sources on what is happening on ground- i swear this days the satellite intelligence is very hi-tech:) so you see Saitoti might be thinking he is the boss doing everything under the cover of darkness with the police and the army- but he is very wrong i understand - odm gets enough reports- so I ain't worried!! the other point is the foriegn powers i'm told yesterday are also talking interim government now!! so you see kibaki and all those PNU hardliners will not have jobs too:):) and if they foreign entities whom we depend on for many things say it will go that way- wait and see! so who will gain?? the people of kenya and the losers will be kibaki and his hardliner cronies!!!
The civil society i understand has already been approached with this interim government idea and they are for it - with other like minded bodies- the next step will be tho get names from each body - then hand all to the speaker!!
I guess Raila and kibaki are soon on their way home until next elections- this foreign governments are serious this time i'm told- wait and see them address the issue kesho!!maybe this is what is needed to shock this headliners and i will not miss them!!
Why Lesotho why not Switzerland ????????? You can come looking for loans
ReplyDeletetime out for kibaki and his hardliners - when he rigged the elections- all the rest of kenya was ready to go separate ways and let him rule central Lesotho- i think it is time we went back to odm with this demand!! let us part ways now!! why waste time!! they can rule themselves in central and the rest of Kenya can move on!! Raila must stand up for his supporters- we wanted separation and he asked us to give the coalition a chance!!IT DID NOT WORK!!-we want to go our way now!!time up!
ReplyDeleteHA HA annon 12.54 interim government you really are clutching at straws that takes the cup for the most ill-informed post of the lot do you really understand anything where do you get these ideas from and what would foreign govts and civil society have to do with it please April 1 has passed
ReplyDeleteland locked lesotho - to pass you will need a visa!! to other provinces- so where will you pass to go to Switzerland?? eh!!even Karua was denied a Visa and showed last years visa to the press!! ha!!ha!! such a foolish woman~!! where will you pass???muranga maybe to your mungiki shrine!! not masai land we will be waiting!! without a visa to pass through our province or land!! no go!!
ReplyDeleteLESOTHO is only option. Trust me.
ReplyDeleteIDP's are not under threat and they are going home to the yet to be created Central Rift Valley province which will be hived out of the current Rift Valley Province, which will be divided into 3 North, South and Central so do not worry about them plans are already underway and it was to be announced when Kibaki and raila were scheduled to go to the Rift, but still going to happen which is why there has been a large military build up in the area to contain any objections to the plan
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ReplyDeleteHA HA annon 12.54 interim government you really are clutching at straws that takes the cup for the most ill-infor
I think you are the fool for laughing - it was one of the offers on the table and it was discussed at length- in order the coalition failed- so wash your mouth with soap before you laugh without looking for facts !!the two parties decided to go with the coalition
why do you think any other community will follow Raila do you not think everyone will want to go there own way so imagine what that will do to Nyanza and western when all goods will have to pass through and probably taxed by all other provinces before it reaches you another plan that has not been that well thought out that is why you can not be trusted with any real power you are ruled by emotion rather than common sense sad but true
ReplyDeletehave heard that rumor of central, north and south rift valley several times now.
ReplyDeletei'm sure it will come to pass.
naming a place will not change the feelings of the locals.
if that happens then surely time for lesotho is on hand
Anon@1.03_2 are you among the forces that will help enforce this forceful divide and rule?
ReplyDeleteAnon 1.04 exactly it was on the table but there is nothing on the table now except the Ministries that ODM is being offered, just because you made the wrong choice does not mean you can go back and chose again pole baba You chose wrongly you think you are getting anything else well don't accept that whoever was negotiating for ODM failed and failed miserably
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteIDP's are not under threat and they are going home to the yet to be created Central Rift Valley province which
well well nice spin on your dream!!
sorry to crush them -kibaki can not travel to Rift Valley alone - period
Rift Valley will never ever be caved in for kikuyu's after they stole land from the tribes of this region through Kenyatta- in fact they have over stayed!!
central land locked is where you belong until the day you start respecting other tribes and learn to appreciate how nice they were to let you live in their provinces!! who the hell or which other tribe do you ever welcome in central??? you get my drift!!!if i were you i would be very careful on how i piga domo- but yet again i understand since you want to post propaganda here maybe hoping it will get down to the owners of rift valley for them to harm your IDP's but like i read a post here written earlier !! they have been warned of the PNU propaganda to start unrest in the Rift Valley so that they can blame odm!! we know you do not want your IDP's back in central! you rather they are dead!! since you do not want to share the chunks of lands you stole from your own tribesmen!!
Anon@1.08 may be Nyanza will have some free trade agreements with their western counterparts. What I am not sure about is whether the same business deals will be negotiated with people from Mt. Kenya
ReplyDelete11:31, 11:35 etc,
ReplyDeleteI AM NOT PAYUKIANG CAN YOU READ MY COMMENTS AFRESH..AND NOWHERE IN MY COMMENT HAVE I TALKED ABOUT A PAPER WITHOLDING ELECTION RESULTS.
MY ENTIRE COMMENT HAS BEEN BASED ON THE EVENTS AFTER THE NATIONAL ACCORD WAS SIGNED & THE EQUALIZING OF BLAME THE MEDIA IS PLAYING IN PARTICULAR ONE MEDIA HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN LAUDED FOR UPHOLDING THE TRUTH.
DAILY NATION IS A PNU MOUTHPIECE & THAT IS WHY I DID NOT BOTHER TALKING ABOUT IT. I TARGETED K.T.N IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE DURING THE ELECTION FIASCO THEY WERE FOR THE TRUTH, THIS EQUALIZING & SELECTIVE BLAME OUR KENYAN MEDIA IS NOW PLAYING, SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT...
DO NOT BE SO BLINDED BY PAST ANALYSIS THAT YOU DO NOT NOTICE THE EQUALIZING GAME OUR MEDIA IS PLAYING. IF YOU'RE NOT READING & WATCHING THE KENYAN PAPERS & NEWS RELIGIOUSLY, SHUT THE HELL UP!!
...I AM CERTAINLY NOT CONFUSING NATION FOR STANDARD PEOPLE, I KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING. I DO NOT EVEN READ THE NATION PAPER!!!
PLEASE YOU ARE THE ONES PAYUKAING, THAT IS HOW PEOPLE FAIL EXAMS THEY DO NOT READ & UNDERSTAND THE CONTENT MATTER....
hey slow down you are mixing the newspapers it was daily nation not East Africa standard that refused to release the results!! where the hell are you getting your propaganda information???
go back and read facts and get your story straight the Daily nation owned by Mt. kenya mafia is the one which refused to release THE RESULTS AND YOU SHOULD GO READ THE STORIES REPORTED IN THE NATION CLOSELY BEFORE YOU PAUKA ON HERE!!
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ReplyDeleteAnon 1.04 exactly it was on the table but there is nothing on the table now except the Ministries that ODM is being offered
wrong!! who rigged elections?? kibaki
who gave the shoot to kill order to the police to shoot innocent kenyans?? kibaki
who had breakfast with mungiki gang members before and after the elections paying them to go commit genocide in naivasha and nakuru where they beheaded more than 20 burned more than 60 alive slaughtered more than 300??? kibaki and his cronies Uhuru, saitoti, michuki, karua, karume, njenga who are confirmed to have attended that meeting(BBC and Maina Kiai have facts from the mungiki members who is now in hiding)
Now ODM never failed the Kenyan people - it went on the table to stop this sycophant from killing more Kenyans and you come here posting nonsense!! no wonder all kenyans want a separation - so let see who will be ruling who??
don't ever underestimate an under-dog as you now call kenyans because you think controlling the army and the police force you are winners!! ordinary people are the ones who bring change to government s wen they decide to - Romania comes to mind- they killed and killed but they could not murder the whole country and change happened!!
anon 1:08
ReplyDeleteall other provinces have no real problem accepting and accommodating leadership, trade, cultural or social mix and mash up and in fact welcome the diversity. only central prefer to perceive themselves as not being of the same and imaginatively even believe themselves superior.
so the best option is to let them live in their own superior fiefdom or is it thiefdom
1:03pm
ReplyDeleteok- lets wait and see. shouting domo domo as usual okwengo men do
and
actually doing it like kaleo wazee wa kazi do
is two different things.
so keep shouting that IDP's watarudi.
90 days later bado wanatombana wanawake na watoto na vinyanya kwa ma camp.
check in 180 days and tell me kama bado hakuna mtombano kwa ma camps.
oh! yes, bado you will be shouting Kifaki, IDP are going home, mafia, thai thai thayu! takataka
na wazee wa kazi wa kaleo land watakuwa kimya waki ku checki uso kwa uso.
NA UTA DO? MTA DO?
LESOTHO ndiyo dawa ya Kenya.
ReplyDeleteits time kusema tu ukweli.
watu wanataka LESOTHO solution!
They did not take anybodys land they bought it and that is why they are going back just because you can not raise two cents together to buy land does not mean you can stop others your argument would naturally lead to a scenario where there is not a free market, but pole baba we are not some communist haven but a free market society I am free to buy and live where I please and do not need your permission I can live in Kisumu Nairbi Eldoret Mombasa London Paris Tokyo are Kenyans being chased out of the USA because it is not there ancestral land don't be so primative with your arguments
ReplyDeleteChris/readers
ReplyDeletei order to make sure Kenya does not go to the dogs again, its important to be honest with ourselves.
if the solution demands LESOTHO type secessions for peace, then so be it.
its time to market and advance the LESOTHO principles solution to the problems facing none-Gema Kenyans.
LESOTHO ndiyo dawa ya shida za Kenya.
1:25pm. yadda yadda yadda
ReplyDeleteMTA DO? si tuone basi! Mta Do?
no need for vita. its just Lesotho time.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete11:31, 11:35 etc,
I AM NOT PAYUKIANG CAN YOU READ MY COMMENTS AFRESH..AND NOWHERE IN MY COMMENT HAVE I TALKED ABOUT A PAPER WITHOLDING ELECTION RESULTS.
my dear the nation still reported crap gutter news- i went back to all the archived standard and nation and compared them and facts are the standard has always reported news straight even after the accord the nation has still been pro- kibaki in its reporting
I REPEAT DO NOT COME ON MASDHADA TO BASH THE STANDARD !!KENYANS KNOW WHICH PAPER TELLS IT STRAIGHT !! WE AIN'T PUTTING MONEY IN ANOTHER MT, KENYA MAFIA SHARE HOLDING PAPER WE CAN TELL YOU THAT - YOU CAN COME HERE PRETENDING ALL YOU WANT BUT - WE HAVE SEEN THROUGH YOUR NASTY AGENDA!! IF THAT IS THE CASE WHY DID YOU BASH THE STANDARD?????? WHY NOT THE NATION AND ATI YOU SAY YOU DO NOT READ THE NATION COME ON WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE FOOLING ON HERE?? 6 YEAR OLDS!! HEY STOP THE BASHING KENYANS OPPOSITION WILL STILL BUY THE STANDARD IT LOOKED AFTER US THROUGH THINK AND THIN IN HAD TIMES EVEN WHEN MICHUKI RAIDED IT !!!!IT STILL GAVE US NEWS!!
PAUKA ALL YOU WANT!! WE READ YOU!! I HATE NASTY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SECRET AGENDA'S ON HERE!!!!!!
anon 1:25, how come you cant buy in muranga, kiambu, etc, are u scared they'll come for you, he he he he
ReplyDeleteits time to separate central kenya from the rest of kenya
ReplyDeletehardliner stance to date
martha karua - central province
kibaki - central province
uhuru - central province
michuki - central province
thuo - central province
Anon@1.26 If the non-GEMA kenyans are not experiencing similar problems caused by Aturi govt then I am not sure whether they are living in Kenya.
ReplyDeleteAnon 1.20 if you could not do it in January what makes you think you can now you and what army the time has passed you talk of politicians funding Mungiki another ODM propaganda trying to deflect from the real truth which is that ODM leaders are implicated in attempts to ethnically cleans the Rift Valley, and so what about the shoot to kill order if you wanted rubber bullets you should have got rubber knives and stones but you did not so got what you deseverd it is like a burgler threatening to sue someone because they shot them when they illegally entered their house, when police gun down car jackers is that excessive use of violence NO so why any other criminal you think they were just carrying those guns to look good ?
ReplyDeleteAnon@1.33 it would be appreciable if you did some balancing act in your arguments. So are you saying that those who were killed by mungiki in Naivasha under the watch of policemen were justified to die. For the sake of sound argument try to be fair.
ReplyDeletegreed will hang them- so why bother?? I hear on ground there is already heated exchange between the inter - parties in PNU- so let us see the ones who feel they have been short changes and the ones who will agree ti eat crumbs stay put!! there is more than meets the eyes- even there those in PNU i hear now who actually wanted a lean cabinet(the mps in the smaller parties) so you see they can see the greed will make the all lose in the final analysis- so PNU ain't a bed of roses as people on here want to show- my friends who voted PNU have stories are coming out that the power struggle for the Deputy PM is still going on and kibaki up to date has not put the mane of the person to take that position down!!
ReplyDeleteso how is it possible he was ready to name a cabinet when the deputy position was still Vacant?? or was he planning to name it as a surprise package? some PNU members are wondering what game he is playing! so bed of Roses?? nope!!
I thought it was 50-50 we will take our 50% of the country if you want the arable rich areas, the industries etc you keep your baren rest no problem will be good to get rid of the burden please while you are at it name the most profitable home grown industries if you have not managed to get your act together by now what makes you think you can now. Or maybe we will end up having to give you loans and aid. We will become properous like Botswana or Switzerland in case you did not know Lesotho is not the only landlocked country
ReplyDeleteKwani all these meetings they were having did not have a "court reporter" to type every word VERBATIM? I think some should have pulled a "Githongo" and bug the meetings, with not only audio but also with video. That way, when the two of them say something, we hold them to their word where it's replayed on air numerous times !!!
ReplyDeleteArrggghhhh!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnon 1.20 if you could not do it in January what makes you think you can now you and what army the time has passed you talk of politicians funding Mungiki another ODM propaganda
only a blind fool did not watch the news showing on all the local and international media live of police shooting wanaichi !!orders given by kibaki!
what ethnic cleansing?? wasn't that script in your PNU master document to be used by all members home and abroad??? to state that ethnic cleansing was started in Rift Valley and to repeat this lie until it was believed and when the document(Master Piece) surfaced - even the international media changed the reporting!! you PNU are a sorry state- who burned the people in the Eldoret church!! with that master document i read i would not put it past kibaki and his cronies to hjace planned exactly that in order to stay in power after rigging!! it has been done before! to me I beleive they did it !! this are greedy evil nasty pieces of work!! to stay in power they have prrofed to kenyans that they can kill any body!! so do not post here Eldoret eldoret - how about theose mungiki burned in nakuru and naivasha?? is it a lesser crime because it was not a church they were burned in???? or the people they beheaded?? you are a disgusting human being I sure pity you!!!
PNU parties are happy they never wanted this marrage to ODM and now it is soon to be over they can take up those positions in Govt that ODM refused and moved on Bed of roses it is in fact they are celebrating and urging Kibaki to move on as for DPM they do not care as once coalition breaks positions no longer exist as the ACT expires
ReplyDeleteLESOTHO ndiyo dawa ya okwengo. No need kucheka cheka na yeye. Lesotho time imefika.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI thought it was 50-50 we will take our 50% of the country
keep dreaming ati Switzerland- go read about lesotho fast and it's neighbor south Africa:):) ha!!ha!! do not compare your self to Switzerland- you have nothing that can get you on that level in central lesotho:)
only a fool can think of ati giving the rest of kenya loans:) from your mugumo thai tree i guess- you are funny!!
Anon 1.47 for one month people stood by and did nothing while their families were killed even you can only show restraint for some time after that nobody could hold them back those people maybe had to die so that people realised that they do not have the monoploy on violence as for the Police I believe they were justified in doing what they did those people were criminals and that is the job of the police. were those people who were robbing and looting expressing their political right to peaceful protest no way. I am sure if you get robbed or your family is attacked then you can ask the police to come to your place and negotiate with those theives Grow UP. The job of the police is to enforce the law in fact I believe they did not do enough and should have done more So if you want to break the law prepare for the consequences.
ReplyDelete1:29 dont be stupid.....I AM ODM DAMU!!!
ReplyDeletePHIL WHO IS A WELL KNOWN INSIDER POINTED OUT THIS FACT IN HIS POST, WHY ARE YOU NOT VILLIFYING HIM? I ONLY EXPOUNDED ON IT & GUESS WHAT IT IS THE TRUTH, HATA UKILIA WEMBE, THAT I'M BASHING STANDARD, IT IS THE TRUTH...UP YOURS!!!
OH SO NOW THAT PHIL 1ST BROUGHT IT OUT THAT MAKES HIM A PRETENDER? I AM ODM DAMU & I DO NOT READ THE NATION PLEASE DO YOU KNOW ME? AND BY THE WAY QUIT REPLYING TO MY COMMENTS, YOURE MESSING UP THE FLOW OF INFO, OK?
BUT THEN IF I MAY ASK DID YOU HEAR K.T.NS' SELECTIVE CHOICE OF ANSWERS FROM THE COMMENTS IN TODAYS NEWS??
PLEASE, I AM NOT BASHING STANDARD, BUT READ CAREFULLY TODAYS COMMENTARY, NOT THE ARCHIVES STUPID..WHERE THEY CATEGORICALLY STATED THAT "IT IS NOT IMPORTANT WHO WON THE ELECTION..." WTF I VOTED ODM AT 0600 HOURS, FIRST TIME VOTER BTW...SO I DO NOT LIKE IT WHEN A PAPER IS TRYING TO SUPRESS THE TRUTH FROM SEEING THE LIGHT!!
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT..........
STANLEY LIVONDO FOR PRIME MINISTER!!!
ReplyDeletekibaki and ECK broke the law. prepare for the consequences
ReplyDeleteAnon 1.52 get your facts right we are already giving loans to the rest of Kenyans through the current banks, building societies ever heard of Equity, CBA, CFC, NIC, etc Ha Ha who do you think controls industry and capital in Kenya inform yourself first before you comment
ReplyDeleteAnon 1.57 you fool do you even know who owns the Standard group opposition paper foolish educate yourself the same people you vilify own that mouth piece
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletePNU parties are happy they never wanted this marrage to ODM and now it is soon to be over they can take up those positions
you will be laughing soon in your othaya pit latrines!! let as see:) and you really think Kenyans will let you rule them:)I can name many leaders with armies behind them who were removed by the people:) so let us see dear keep smiling all the way to Central Lesotho
but let me point out something!! it is a pity that the kikuyu's have made it so easy for other tribes to hate them!! even the reconciliation will not help!! waste of time!! the hate is so rooted it for the kikuyu tribe it will take many generations to remove it!! so my question is- if other tribes boycotted your shops you goods your business(work) everything named Kikuyu?? how will you survive in kenya??
most kikuyu factories employ other tribes in kenya!
I checked
from unga group to chris kirubi;s factories to breweries to all the big factories kikuyus own major share!!all we have to do collectively( infuse money in building the same all over other provinces and believe me we do not lack money for private industries where our people will gain!!- so how will your factoirs run?? do you have enough mungiki's to employ?? I saw 3 thousand demonstrating:)
Odm should call for that them we start !!
ANON@1:57 I am sorry to disappoint you because Livondo lacks the title of "party leader with majority mps" or is he going to be the party leader of PUNU coalition? I wonder if those egocentric individuals can make him one even if it was for political expediency
ReplyDeleteOH BY THE WAY 1:29 DO I LOOK LIKE I AM LOOSING BREATH OR SLEEP OVER YOUR "I HATE NASTY PEOLE WHO HAVE SECRET AGENDAS HERE"
ReplyDeleteI'M STILL HERE & WILL BE ODM REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK.....GROW UP!
NOW TO SERIOUS MATTERS, CHRIS ASKED..3 FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS...
MY ANS FRESH ELECTIONS, I STARTED SINGING ABOUT THIS SINCE RUTO MENTIONED IT...CHECK PREVIOUS POSTS. I EVEN ASKED WHY PNU SHOULD HOLD THE COUNTRY AT RANSOM DUE TO THEIR INTERNAL WARS & GREED.
ON THAT NOTE MLIONA UHURU & HIS IMPUNITY ON TODAYS NEWS??
THAT IS WHY WE NEED NEW, BRAND NEW ELECTIONS..OR LESOTHO IT IS:):)
2:02 STILL HERE & ITS ALL HOT GAS,
ReplyDeleteNEXT???
Anon 2.04 why have you waited until now what took you so long nobody is stoping you go ahead no need to make a song and dance about it just do it if you are capable nobody stops you from starting a business so do not keep talking about it just do it or stay in your job and keep complaing about what you could do
ReplyDelete2:02, that didnt stop standard from telling the truth, even though it was owned by goldenberg et al. That is why we expect better from them.
ReplyDeleteCandy
LESOTHO time imefika.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete1:29 dont be stupid.....I AM ODM DAMU!!!
i will not take it so tell us what exactly did nation read since you come on here fuming fire at standard newspaper??eh? do not bash standard paper- i don't really care if you have decided now to be an odmer for the day!! bad agenda!! and if you have an opinion voice it but stop the bashing ati since the accord the standard and ktn you said have not been printing the truth!!
Try some other place to spread propaganda about the standard not here!! I still maintain your agenda to bash the standard here was not going to work!! don't read it if it offends you! do you see kenyans on the street offended?? with the standard?? NOPE!! but with the nations YES !!!VERY OFFENDED WITH THIS KIKUYU CONTROLLED PAPER FOR KIBAKI'S PURPOSES ONLY!!
BY THE WAY YOU CAN'T STOP ME COMMENTING ON YOUR POSTS ON HERE! THAT IS CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH & DEMOCRACY IN ORDER YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THAT WORD!!ONLY PNU PEOPLE SEEM TO MISS IT IN THEIR VOCABULARY!!
2:14, WHO CARES...?
ReplyDelete2:14 pm you own standard? Take your drama elsewhere
ReplyDeleteLESOTHO ndiyo dawa ya kenya
ReplyDeleteChris your post is laughable so very one sided but what can we expect( was there only 1 sms comment during the broadcast) I think the problem is that ODM is slowly becoming irrelevant in the eyes of PNU and probably even some of the people, the Govt is Kibaki's the power is Kibaki's like it or hate it that is the state of the nation and Kenyans will just move on the era of mass action is over let RAo become leader of opposition and go back to the drawing board for 2012 anything else will be political suicide he has obviously been out manouvered by PNU and Kibaki and what you should be asking is why did nobody see this coming an seal the loopholes
ReplyDeleteAfter watching Uhuru on KTN ....
ReplyDeleteEnough is enough, NEW ELECTIONS NOW !!!!!
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ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
1:29 dont be stupid.....I AM ODM DAMU!!!
i will not take it so tell us what exactly did nation read since you come on here fuming fire at standard newspape
HEY WE HEAD- SO COOL IT THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS SAID THEY ARE ODMERS:):) OR ELSE WE WILL SEND YOU TO LESOTHO CENTRAL TOO:)
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ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
1:29 dont be stupid.....I AM ODM DAMU!!!
i will not take it so tell us what exactly did nation read since you come on here fuming fire at standard newspape
HEY WE HEAD- SO COOL IT THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS SAID THEY ARE ODMERS:):) OR ELSE WE WILL SEND YOU TO LESOTHO CENTRAL TOO:)
April 6, 2008
ReplyDeleteDisplaced Kenyans Live in Limbo as Aid Lags After Election Strife
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
NAIROBI, Kenya — Clinton Masheti, 8 years old and all alone, sits on a wooden bench rolling snakes out of clay. When the men came and started burning down houses in his village, his parents ran away — without him.
He now lives in the Nairobi Children’s Home, a place with cheery paintings on the wall and lots of blank little faces. He is among thousands of children lost or abandoned during the fighting that followed Kenya’s disputed election in December. If Clinton’s parents are not found by August, he will be put up for adoption.
“My father was a farmer,” he said.
That seemed to be all he knew.
In another part of town not far away, Jane Wanjiru has been living in muddy uncertainty since January.
She and about 200 other displaced people are camping just up the road from one of Nairobi’s fanciest malls. Their tents and clotheslines are curious sights so close to the Mercedes-Benzes and mansions, a reminder in case anyone here needs one that the issue of displaced people is not isolated to the Rift Valley, where most of the election-related bloodshed was, but has crept into the capital, Nairobi.
Still, very little has been done about it. More than 300,000 people remain homeless, living in camps or staying temporarily with relatives, but top politicians have been preoccupied with haggling over cabinet posts and forming a coalition government.
Officials recently announced that the new government would include 40 ministries, a Kenyan record, and many people fear that the money for salaries, cars and staff for the bloated cabinet will eat into what the displaced people need.
Donors have pledged millions of dollars to build homes and resettle people, but most of that is in limbo. And now it is the rainy season.
Nearly every day, the skies crack open and the water gushes down. Tents collapse, latrines overflow, firewood gets soggy, food goes uncooked and diseases like malaria and the flu flourish. Many of the displaced people are farmers, and the same rains they would have prayed for, had they not been violently driven off their land, are now a curse.
Three women in a camp recently died from exposure to the cold and 5-month-old twins from pneumonia.
“The rains are my biggest fear,” said Naomi Shaban, Kenya’s minister of special programs, who oversees the displaced persons camps. “These people are living in tents, and these are not just showers, they are heavy rains. There is a lot of contamination, with children playing in the water. We anticipate health problems.”
Many displaced people in this nation of 37 million are worried about how long they can survive and feel abandoned by their government. Ms. Wanjiru, who voted for Mwai Kibaki, Kenya’s president, said she did not support him — or any other politician — anymore.
“All we get are words,” she said.
She spends her days washing the few clothes she has and sitting in a cracked plastic chair watching the cars go by. A mother of six with a seventh on the way, she said she did not even have the bus fare to go into town or check out the mall.
“I lost everything,” she said.
Ms. Shaban defended the president, saying he was very concerned about the plight of the displaced people and that helping them is a post-election priority. She said the government had already spent $11 million on food and medicine since January, though the distribution of supplies was sometimes delayed, because some of the people hanging around the displaced persons camps were “impostors” and it took time to verify who the real victims were.
The Kenyan government is asking donor nations, including the United States, to provide nearly $500 million to resettle people and rebuild the tens of thousands of burned down homes, businesses, public utilities and schools.
After the disputed election, supporters of the government and of the leading opposition party raged against each other. More than 1,000 people were killed, many quite brutally, and much of the fighting was along ethnic lines.
Ms. Shaban, like many other government officials, insisted that most of the displaced people would eventually go home.
“As the healing process goes on, more and more want to go back,” she said.
But many people are scared. Hundreds of thousands have already resettled in areas where their ethnic group dominates, because that is seen as the only way to guarantee safety. Just a few days ago, in late March, leaflets were circulated in several Rift Valley towns telling Kikuyus, Mr. Kibaki’s ethnic group, that if they returned, they would be killed.
“People are still bitter,” said Florence Muia, a Catholic nun who works with displaced people. “They have seen this violence before, and this time they are saying never again.”
Many of the displaced children, traumatized into near silence, simply have nothing to return to.
[b]Naomi and Joseph Nganga were abandoned by their father after a mob burned down their house in the Rift Valley and their mother died from a stomach sickness in a displaced persons camp. [/b] They are sister and brother, 9 and 10 years old, and live in the children’s home with about 80 others, including: Clinton, who speaks in whispers; a 3-year-old whom workers call Baby Joshua because they do not have any more information about him; and a cheerful 16-year-old named Millicent who has a baby of her own.
The boys wear V-neck sweaters and the girls plaid dresses. They play in bare concrete rooms and drink plastic mugs of tea for a snack.
When asked if he wanted to stay in the children’s home in Nairobi or go back to his village, Joseph’s voice dropped to a mumble.
“I just want to go to school,” he said.
His sister nodded next to him and then looked down at her cracked leather shoes.
I believe the message in the standard story is not that they've not been telling the truth BUT after the accord was signed, the difficulties that arose are being put equaly on Kibaki & Raila, YET it is Kibaki the media should be bashing and more so standard & ktn because all along they have not been mincing their words. i.e they should be bashing Kibaki ALONE & I am in complete agreemnt with that. so what is all the fuss?
ReplyDeleteKIBAKI OUT- THE OWNERS OF KENYA IN!! THE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED 7MILLION KENYANS- KIKUYU CENTRAL NATION 1 MILLION THOSE ARE THE RIGHT NUMBERS?? SO ADD IDP'S MAYBE COMES TO 1.3 MILLOIN;:) we can deal with them no big deal- soon htier cars wll have no fuel in central lesotho !do they have donkeys there??
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ReplyDeleteApril 6, 2008
Displaced Kenyans Live in Limbo as Aid Lags After Election Strife
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
they are lucky they are alive- many kids from non-kikuyu families never survived to wish for a school- they were buried without heads ?? they should count themselves lucky that they survives and are in camps - others are buried 6 fit under!
LESOTHO ndiyo dawa. Kikuyu warudishwe kwao.
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ReplyDeleteSam Okello,
who is stopping you to follow kibaki?? you PNU supporter using a luo fake thread on here?? GO FOLLOW HIM DO NOT TELLS ON HERE WHAT TO DO? WE ARE ODMERS AND RAILA IS OUR LEADER- NO WONDER YOU FOLLOWED KIBAKI WHEN HE WAS SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT KENYANS GIVING ORDERS TO THE POLICE! WHO IS THE LESSER EVIL?
DOMO TOO IS WHAT YOUR FAKE LOU THREAD IS POSTING HERE!! GO TO MT.ELGON AND DIG OUT THOSE MASS GRAVES THAT THE ARMY ARE THROWING IN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND ARMY HELICOPTERS FLYING HIGH AND DAMPING BODIES IN THE MT. ELGON FORESTS FOR ANIMALS TO FEAST ON- REMEMBER THIS ALL IS NOT LOST WE WILL PREVAIL!! GO FOLLOW YOUR KIBAKI - I RATHER FOLLOW THE LESSER EVIL OF THE TWO!!
I think someone here did not understand the standard story n decided to get overly emotional without really getting the gist of what is cuttin. Its never too late to learn, i tell ya.
ReplyDeleteI am surprised that Amb Muthaura had the audacity to call Hon Odinga a liar. In his reply to Hon Odinga's letter that pointed out that PNU reneged on their Thursday agreement on potfolio balance here is Amb. Muthaura's response "5. In the meeting of April 3, contrary to your assertion, it was never agreed that ODM should nominate Ministers for the following portfolios: Local Government, Foreign Affairs, Transport, Energy and Cabinet Affairs."
ReplyDeleteWhere is the truth?
guns finally fall silent
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteThe best time to invest is now when things are shaky. When the country becomes stable-and I'm optimistic- the only direction to go is up.
pkw
ReplyDeletetry telling that 2 pple who made investments in zimbabwe
Hi mind reader. The tome to invest in Zimbabwe has never been riper. Mugabe's struggles are the kicks of a dying animal. Look at the long of it. 10 years from now, Mugabe will probably be dead, and if the country avoids a civil war-and I think they are doing tat alright------things down there are so bad that there is almost no option for them than to get better. My $1 worth.
ReplyDeletePKW i wonder where you live. According to you Kenyan investors might have the luxury of waiting ten years to reap from their investments. With all due respect you are grossly out of touch with reality.
ReplyDeleteI wanted to buy safcom shares but now i will only take the 10k worth of down payment that i had already made, and that is only if i cheer up and manage to do that, otherwise i hope they wire back the money to my a/c once the IPO is over. I should have listened to Raila. At least he has never lied to wananchi. And this does not mean that i dont think the value will not ultimately appreciate, for me and my meagre earnings it is better safe than sorry. I cant knowingly throw away my money, as long as the problems are glaring hakuna haja.
As things are going i think now that the accord does not tell us what next if the coalition does not work, we should call back Annan to help us balance portfolios (which he has refused and is likely to refuse again) or be in charge of fresh elections, since at least both sides trust him.
Who will save Kenyans from this impunity, impunity, impunity. Annan has to do something for common mwananchi, he cant just abandon us into the Lion's (Kibaki's) den and count on the lion to not devour us.
Gentleman
I have read through most of these threads and I am suprised at how easily we kenyans are manipulated.
ReplyDeleteI was watching the Raila/ODM press conference and I must say in terms of choreography and maximum effect Salim Lone is very good at manipulating the media.
The lesser Pentagons(sexagons if you include Ngilu) arrived at 6.50 p.m. and proceeded to sit to create an atmosphere of anxiety and waiting.
At 6.57, Anyang Nyongo was looking at his watch and whsipering into Balala ears. 6.58 pm. Anyang nyongo looks at his watch again. In the background Tony Gachoka is urging media to put phones on silent.
6.59 pm. The real Pentagons - Raila, Ruto and Mudavadi make their entry and 7.00 p.m sharp the show is on the road with Raila anchoring the show.
Such blatant manipulation of the media and kenyans only serve to reinforce the view that when Ruto said "wajipange" the other day, he knew exactly what he was talking.
ODM was never interested in this "mnyama" called serikali with any kikuyu in it.
While I do not condone people breaking promises, I dont there is anywhere in that accord that says PM is half the President. Kibaki is the head of state and government and Raila cannot send minions to him.
Kibaki paid him back by using Amb. Muthaura and this kind of games are sick to say the least.
Treat each other with respect that we had come to associate you with in the last few weeks.
Kenyans stop the hate, we can never have Lesotho and if remember correctly the vote was almost 50/50 to raila and kibaki. where do you take western kenya people who voted for kibaki?
ha ha ha
ReplyDeleteanon 11:27
where do you take western kenya who voted for kibaki?
that was a good one.
Simple 11:27/11:56 they will be allowed to choose where they want to be.
ReplyDeleteAnon 11:27 didn't you hear Rice....Real power sharing stupid
The only solution is secession even if on a trial basis.
ReplyDeleteKibs can then appoint 50 ministers all okuyos no need for Portofolio balance. And given that they are so rich they will not even be feeling the pinch of paying so many ministers!!!
We thought we got rid of Satan but my goodness he is back in the heads and hearts of PUNU with a vengeance- Washindwe hawa washenzi!!!
Why are we not being realistic?
ReplyDeleteCan someone translate the accord into Kikuyu and distribute it to that half cabinet?
Even my 13 year old son seems to understand 50-50 very well.You cannot slaughter a goat and give the entire insides (tripe) to one side ands claim it was shared 50-50?
No army or police can stop an idea whose time has come.
ODM won that election and now we are going to proceed and take what belongs to us.
Kibaki will not rule a people who did not and will not vote for him.
Secession will be the final choice.But remember the IDP camps are full of PUNUS who cannot return to their homes without the accord working.
Either way it is a lose-lose situation for Kibaki the liar/thief.
The accord has to work whether Kibaki likes it or not.The international community cannot afford to lose Kenya-remember?
DjRik.