Kumekucha Exclusive: Shocking List
SCHEDULE OF ALLEGED PERPETRATORS
CAUTIONARY STATEMENT
The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR) recognizes the existence of the culture of impunity in
Every effort has been made to ensure that the information supporting the adverse mentions reaches a threshold that had been agreed to (see Page 20 in Chapter One).
The National Commission is not making any conclusions that the persons mentioned here are guilty; this is presented in the effort to remain faithful to hundreds of Kenyans who provided this information which we expect that the relevant agencies will further
investigate.
On many occasions unsuccessful efforts were made to contact those mentioned. In particular, given that this was election related violence, the Commission sent out letters to all the members of parliament, which however elicited very few responses.
The list was subjected to review by independent persons at the different stages of compiling the report including by the staff and commissioners as well as by national experts contracted by the National Commission to review the report and critique the same.
MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT
ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING
INFORMATION ON THE
ALLEGATIONS
- The late Hon. Lorna Laboso M.P, Sotik Constituency
Planning and incitement to violence
On the third week of January 2008, she attended a purported peace meeting at Manaret Society, and incited the local community after which a vicious attack against the Kisiis was instead intensified.
Together with Franklin Bett they talked to and incited about 700 youths at the Sotik Tea Estate and immediately they left the youths began to burn houses belonging to Kisiis.
- Hon. Franklin Bett M.P, Bureti Constituency
Planning, incitement, and financing the violence
During a public meeting in Kiptororo in Kuresoi in December 2007, he reportedly urged the Kalenjins to fight the Kikuyus until they leave Molo area.
Before elections, he and other prominent politicians attended a meeting in the interior Ndoinet forest. After the said meeting, the group that attended attacked and destroyed properties belonging to the non Kalenjins. It is believed that they incited the locals to attack non Kalenjins.
He brought young men (boys) in groups of more than 300 from Bomet who worked with the Luo locals to attack the Kikuyus.
Together with the late Kipkalia Kones and the late
Kimutai Too they financed the Kalenjin youths who
attacked the Kikuyus and Kisiis in Kericho.
He organized youths to attack the Kikuyus and
Kisiis in Kericho. He gave them transport, fuel and
food and held meetings at Kericho Tea Hotel and
other places.
He told supporters that “all the investors in
Kericho and in the estates will be either Kalenjins
or Indians”. This statement is said to have given
the youths motivation to attack all other tribes
especially Kisiis and Kikuyus.
He is said to have been explaining to people who
attended a meeting at Kipkatet that no one can
take what belongs to the Kalenjins, especially land.
In a meeting held in Chopkoibet in Bomet, he is
quoted to have said that “ he will beat up the
Kikuyus till they leave Molo”
Together with the late Kipkalia Kones and the late
David Too, they organized and facilitated the
youths to be transported from Trasmara and
Bomet by lorries through Silibwet to go and chase
Kikuyus from Kuresoi.
He intimidated people at Kericho Police Station
and told them that those that give information to
investigators on post election violence will be
lynched.
Eye witnesses have reported that on the 30th of
December 2007 at around10.00 am, at the Caltex
Petrol Station in Kericho town, he gave
unspecified amount of money to some Kalenjin
and Luo men who immediately after the said
payment started stoning and burning kiosks
perceived to be owned by Kikuyus but were in
actual fact owned by the Kipsigis and the Kisii
people.
3. The Late Hon. David
Kimutai Too
MP, Ainamoi Constituency. Planning, incitement, and
financing the violence
Incitement to violence
On the 23rd November 2009 went to Stagemart in
Kericho and addressed a crowd asking residents to
remove all the stains/spots (madoadoa) from the
region. In January 2008 he asked that all the
stains/spots (Madoadoa) be removed from the
region.
Together with Kipkalia Kones and Franklin Bett
they financed the Kalenjin youths who attacked
the Kikuyus and Kisiis in Kericho.
4. The late Hon.Kipkalya
Kones
Former MP, Bomet Constituency
and minister
Planning, incitement, and
financing the violence
Incitment, planning and
financing the violence.
In January 2008 while addressing youths he is
reported to have told the youths :”When we tell
you to block, make sure you block the road, and
when we tell you to remove, make sure you
remove them.”
Kalenjin raiders were hosted at his residence in
Sirikwa from where they launched attacks against
the Kikuyus and Kisiis.
Together with Franklin Bett and the late Kimutai
Too they financed the Kalenjin youths who
attacked the Kikuyus and Kisiis in Kericho
5. Hon William Ruto MP, Eldoret North Constituency,
Minister
Planning, incitement, and
financing the violence
In August 2007 he held a meeting with other
senior ODM leaders in Kipkelion near Kericho
including Sotik MP the late Lorna Laboso , the late
Kipkalia K. Kones (Bomet), Kiprono L. J. Magerer
(Kipkelion) , and Franklin Bett (Bureti) where the
leaders resolved to carry out mass evictions of
non Kalenjins from ‘their’ Rift Valley areas,
particularly the Kikuyu and Abagusii.
During an opening ceremony for the Seventh Day
alleged to have said that they would uproot the
“sangari”, ‘shake off the soil’, ‘gather it together’
and ‘burn it’, in reference to ‘outsider’
communities. .
He is alleged to have addressed the public at
Bisabol shopping centre in Turbo near Burnt
Forest and incited the local Kalenjin and Luhya
communities against the Kikuyu.
At a meeting on 22/12/2007 at his home in Sugoi
said that his headache was Mr Jonathan Bii, his
opponent, who supported Kikuyu on the land
issue and directed that they should be attacked if
they dared campaign in the areas.
6. Hon. Boaz Kaino MP, Marakwet West constituency Inciting vioelence.
At a meeting, he said that he would remove
Kikuyu and Kisiis from the area after elections.
7. Hon Sally Kosgey MP , Aldai constituency and
Cabinet Minister
Planning, incitement, and
financing the violence
With Hon Henry Kosgey, they attended meetings
to organise violence. They are alleged also to have
funded the violence.
8. Hon. Fred Kapondi MP,
rally / meeting at
Ziwa where violence was planned. Alleged to have
said that Luhyas should be expelled from Trans
Nzoia.
9. Hon. Henry Kosgey MP, Tinderet Constituency and
Cabinet Minister
Planning, incitement, and
financing the violence
He held several meetings with the Nandi Hills area
councilors and other opinion leaders at Septon
Guest House within Septon Estate. The meeting, it
is believed, was for planning and organization of
the violence.
He is also alleged to have funded the violence.
10. William Ole Ntimama MP,
Narok North
MP, Narok North constiteuncy Incitement to violence
During the 2007 election campaigns, William Ole
Ntimama reportedly incited the Maasais in Narok
against the Kikuyus and Kisiis. He told the Maasai’s
to evict the said communities if they did not vote
for him and ODM.
On or about 30 December 2007, the Narok market
was burnt and several people injured after he
allegedly told Kalenjin and Maasai youths that the
Kikuyu women in the market had insulted him.
11. Hon. Omondi Anyanga
MP for Nyatike constituency
Participating and funding of
violence
Hiring of lorries to loot cereals depot, funding the
violence
12. Hon. John Pesa MP, Migori constituency Incitment to violence He is reported to have said at a campaign rally that
‘visitors’ had taken away the businesses of local
people). He named the said ‘visitors’ as ‘Oriah’
(understood to mean Somalis, Kikuyus and Kisiis).
He said that if he won he would remove the
visitors and make Luos own the businesses.
13. Hon. Ramadhan Kajembe MP, Changamwe Constituency Incitemetn and participation in
violence.
He hosted a number of people at his home on the
day violence erupted. He “commanded” the youth
that was looting in Changamwe area.
14. Peter Mwathi MP, Limuru constituency Incitement to violence He asked Mungiki to arm
themselves to defend
the Kikuyu in the Rift Valley in a meeting where
alongside other MPS he addressed IDPs on 19th
January 2008
15. Uhuru Kenyatta, Kabando
wa Kabando, Stanley
Githunguri
Members of Parliament for
Gatundu North, Mukurweini and
Kiambaa respectively
Planning and financed violence On diverse dates during January, February and
March 2008 they attended meetings to plan for
retaliatory violence by the Kikuyus. they met to
plan retaliatory attacks in the Rift Valley. They also
contributed funds and organised militia for
retaliatory violence.
16. Kabanda wa Kandao MP, Mukurueni Financing violence He participated in planning for
acquisition of
weapons by Kikuyus for retaliatory violence.
17. Najib Balala MP, Mvita constituency and
minister
Inciting and funding violence Incited and paid youths Ksh. 500 to cause violence.
18. Chris Okemo, MP, Nambale Constituency Incitement to violence. At a rally in Busia at the bus
park and he told
the public that he does not want the Kikuyu
votes and also intimated that it is the Kikuyu
who are barring them from developing
themselves
19. Elizabeth Ongoro MP for Kasarani Financing and planning violence Suuplied money for petrol
used to burn down
houses and property in Kijiji cha Chewa.
20. Maj G en Hussein Ali Police Commissioner Some police officers committed
violations during the violence
Some police officers under his command
as the Commissioner of Police
were involved in use of excessive force
leading to deaths and injury, some
officers were partisans, and others
neglected their duties.
21. (i) Paul Olando Provinincial
Commissioner Nyanza)
(ii) Grace Kaindi Provincial Police
Officer, Nyanza(iii) Scaver Mbogo
Provnicial Criminal Investigations
Officer Nyanza(iv) Mr. Omwanga NSIs
officer, Nyanza
Members of the Nyanza Provincial
Security Committee
In charge of on the g round
operations in
regarding maintenance of law
and order
Ordering the use of excessive
force
They gave shoot to kill orders against
demonstrating youth in Kisumu and
authorised use of live bullets
22. Peter Kavila, Wainaina and Njoki
and Peter Matu,
PPO,
OCS Malava and two other
Officers respectively
Excessive use of force Shooting and killing peaceful
demonstrators
23. Mr Ngugi, OCS Langas Police
Station and officers under his
command.
The OCS Langas Police station,
Eldoret and officers under his
command.
Execessive use of force. The OCS and the officers under his
command are said to have shot six youths
in Kasarani and Kisumu Ndogo areas
killing two and injuring others.
24. Mr Alfred Chepkwony Assistant chief,
Chemamul Sub l ocation in
Tinderet, Nandi South
Participatng in the violence
The sub c hief was among the attackers on
the morning of 31st December 2007.
25. Mr William Sang The Chief Chepkoilel Location
near Eldoret.
Participating and organising the
violence
The Chief was seen directing the attackers
on 31st of January 2008 at Kimumu.
26. OCS Endebess Police Station OCS Endebess Police Station
during the post election period.
Execessive use of force. He led a group of police officers and
Kikuyu attackers to Turbo area in
Endebess on 6th January 2008 at around
11.00 am and shot and injured people in
the area including the interviewee .
27. Police officers from Endebess
Police station
Police officers attached to
Endebess Police station during the
post election period.
Excessive use of force. Police officers and Kikuyu attackers went
to Turbo area in Endebess on 6th January
2008 at around 11.00 am and shot and
injured people in the area.
28. Kirwa, General Service Unit Officer. A GSU Officer at Nabkoi GSU
Camp in Nandi North. He hails
from
District.
Execessive use of force and
partisanship.
He shot dead Mr James Tukong who died
on the way to the hospital on allegations
that he was in the PNU camp. The body
was taken to
29. Dr. Jacob Bitok A lecturer at Moi University Organising, planning, funding and
participation in the violence.
He ferried Marakwet warriors to attack
and drive Kikuyu out of Rock Centre in
Eldoret and in Kipkaren areas. He was the
custodian of the funds collected to
finance the violence within Mosop area.
30. A Mr Bernard
Acting Assistant Chief of Mubele
Sub l ocation.
Participation in the violence
Alleged to have been involved in the
violence . The assistant chief is said to
have been arrested and released by
police over the allegations.
31. Thomas Cheruiyot Sirikwa Agricultural/ Veterinary Officer in
Sirikwa
Incitement to violence. He threatened the headmaster of Sirikwa
Primary School (a kikuyu) and asked him
to leave arguing that the school deserved
a Kalenjin headmaster. This was during a
public meeting convened by the Kamara
District Officer held on 27/11/07.
Cheruiyot further reportedly incited the
Kalenjin parents to withdraw their
children from Sirikwa Primary and
Secondary Schools. As a result the
Secondary school was reportedly closed
down.
32. Joseph Rotich a.k.a Survivor. Ass. Chief of Mawingu sublocation
Incitement to violence,
partisanship
He severally threatened the Kikuyu
residents in his area that their time was
running out and that they would be taken
back to central province. On 4/10/07, he
was said to have publicly told the
residents of Murinduko farm that the
Shopping center would be burnt down
soon. After two days, there was an attack
at Murinduko Trading Center by Kalenjin
raiders but they were repulsed by the
Kikuyus. A month later (25/11/07), there
was a major attack in Murinduko during
which two elderly people were killed by
Kalenjin raiders. When Murinduko center
was finally razed down on 16/1/08, Mr.
Rotich was spotted among the raiders
near Set Kobor farm. After the Trading
Center was burnt, Murinduko residents
fled. Mr. Rotich was reportedly heard
bragging that his word that the Kikuyus
were going to move to
had been fulfilled. He said that he was
going to ensure that all Kikuyus fled to
Kiambu and Nyeri.
33. Steven Ngetich a.k.a Alexander Chief, who lives at
Kuresoi.
Planning and participation in the
violence
Said to have hosted raiders at his
residence. It is also said that raiders who
killed some five people at
assembled at his home before the attack.
Reported to have been arrested for
incitement but was later released.
34. Mr Osewe OCS, Kuresoi Police Station Negligence of duty Said to have failed to take action
Against the raiders even after receiving
information in advance about impending
attacks. Reportedly refused to offer
security to
despite repeated requests by the
teachers. The school was burnt on
On 31/12/07, a witness states that he met
Mr. Osewe who had visited Gacharage
farm which had been attacked and
houses were burning. He asked Mr.
Osewe what measures he had put in place
to stop the escalating violence. He told
the interviewee that ‘vile nimeona, hiyo
imenishinda. Kila mtu ajisaidie’ (From
what I have seen, I can’t manage the
situation; everyone should take care of
themselves). He then reportedly drove of
and left the area burning.
35. Sammy Ng’etich Acting chief for Chemaner Location
Incitment, organising, and
planning the violence
Ng’etich told the Kisiis and the Kikuyus
that they must vacate the area whether
they like it or not. The chief was all along
against the establishment of a police post
in the area and had threatened several
residents who had spearheaded the
establishment of Giticha Police Camp
following recurrent attacks. Sometimes in
September 2007, he reportedly held a
meeting which was attended exclusively
by Kalenjins and the night after the
meetings, a group of youths attacked
Kamwaura shopping center whereby two
people were killed and several houses
burnt.
36. William Ngerech
Chief, Temuyota Location. Former
GSU officer
Planning and participating in
attacks
He stays in Muriginyen farm. During the
polling period he was shot by the police at
Keringet while in a group of youths that
had attacked a vehicle hired by the
Electoral Commission of
ferry election materials.
David Rugut Chief Kamasian Location Eviction of people from their
houses
Together with others, he participapted in
evictions.
37. Cheruiyot Policeman based at
Organising violence Was an organizer of violence.
38. Mr Mohamed District Officer (DO) Olenguruone Negligence of duty and
partisanship
He reportedly was partisan in favour of
Kalenjins. He failed to act on the violence.
39. OCS Olenguruone Police Station OCS Olenguruone Police Station Negligence of duty The OCS took no action against the
raiders who met daily in the trading
center just a few meters from the police
station.
40. The In charge and other Police
officers of Kaptembwa Police Post
Officers from the police force
based at Kaptembwa
Negligence of duty, arson and
stealing
During some skirmishes on 30th December
2007, the Police officers based at
Kaptembwa Police Post were spotted
looting shops in Kaptembwa estate.
The officers also burnt Jupiter
Supermarket in Kaptembwa while their
in charge was watching
41. Benjamin Koech Policeman Organizing and participating in
violence
On 30/12/07 2007 at Kimogoro farm,
Sogoo location, in Narok South, he was
seen in the company of Kalenjin raiders
armed with an AK rifle. He was seen firing
in the air to scare the Kikuyus as the
raiders burnt their houses. He is based at
the Kenya Tanzania border, he further
organized the burning and looting of
property in Narok, Kimogoro farm
42. A lady known as ‘Nyagem’ Female Police Officer, Kisumu
town
Excessive use of violence She was on duty during spate of violence
after death of Ainamoi MP Too. She shot
a young man dead around Kibuye Market.
43. Dennis also known as Deno Police officer
Attached to Kondele Police
Station and also a resident of
Manyatta Village Sije area
Excessive use of force Shot civilian youth at Manyatta, Kisumu
and injured others in Kisumu
44. Ndegwa Police officer attached to Migori
police station.
Excessive use of force Shot civilian at his place of work in Migori
45. Tanui Administration Police officer
attached to Siaya administarion
police camp
Excessive use of force Shot demonstrating civilian at Jamaa
Petrol Station in Siaya
46. Kirui Police officer on duty in Kisumu
during protests by the youth
Shot and killed youth at Kondele,
Kisumu
Television clip showed that youth shot
was not protesting and was shot at pointblank
range. It was also clear that police
officer was not shooting in self d efence
47. Peter Kavila, Wainaina and Njoki
and Peter Matu,
PPO,
OCS Malava and two other
Officers respectively
Excessive use of force Shooting and killing peaceful
demonstrators
48. OCSs for Chaani, Changamwe,
Mishoromoroni, Ujamaa, and Shika
Adabu police stations.
Senior police officers at Chaani;
Changamwe Mishomoroni and
Ujamaa Shika Adabu
The police under the command of
the OCs supported the youths
who were raiding the Kikuyu,
Kamba and Meru homes and
businesses. They kept guard
hence aiding and abetting
commitment of crime.
A group of ODM youths raided his
business and looted. The Police kept
guard over the looters and encouraged
them to loot but not to kill.
49. Luseno Lusaba Assistant Chief, Soy sublocaton,
Lukuyani
Participation in the violence. He was in a group of youths who carried
out attacks in Lugari on 31 December
MEDIA ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING
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50. Inooro FM Radio station which broadcasts in
the Kikuyu language
Disseminated incitement via callin
programmes
Incited Kikuyu audiences in Central
Province and in the diaspora. Call i n
shows on radio stations enabled
individuals to make unregulated hateful
statements. Inooro FM aired highly
emotional and distraught victims of the
violence.
51. Kameme FM Radio station broadcasting in the
Kikuyu language
Perpetration of hate speech Kameme FM station engaged in ethnic
propaganda campaign against ODM and
the Kalenjin .
Reference to “beasts from the west’ in
reference to Raila were made.
52. Kass FM Radio station broadcasting mainly
in Kalenjin languate.
Incitement and hate speech in its
programmes
KASS FM broadcast hate speech and
materials meant to incite communities
against each others.
53. Radio Injili Radio station Incitement and hate speech in its
programmes
The station broadcast on several
occasions material that amounted to
incitement.
54. Coro FM Radio station which broadcasts in
the Kikuyu language
Incitement through its
programmes.
The station broadcast on several
occasions material that amounted to
incitement.
RELIGIOUS LEADERS
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55. Paster, Kirathimo Church Pastor,
people at Kirathimo
Church (which hosted IDPs) that “The
Kikuyu should be armed the way I am
armed with a Bible”.
56. Rev. Kosgey A preacher who sometimes
preaches on Kass FM.
He incited violence through radio
broadcasts.
During radio programmes, he incited
communities against each other.
57. Mr Benjamin Murei A Seventh Day Adventist (SDA)
Church elder.
Aided and abbeted violence
He offered prayers and read a verse from
the Bible to the youth attackers in
support of the violence.
58. Pastor Isaya Nyongesa Pastor in Likuyani Incitement to violence During the campaign period he
said that
Kikuyu’s must go back to ‘their’ Central
Province.
OTHERS (BY REGION)
ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING
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ALLEGATIONS
59. Councillor Ochola Councillor for Utalii Ward in
Kasarani Consitutency and lives in
Kijiji cha Chewa
Financed the purchase of petrol to
make petrol bombs and paid
arsonists Ksh 400/day.
Between 29th December 2007 and the
first week of Jan 2008 he allededly
financed local youth to buy petrol to burn
peoples property.
60. Obong’o Councillor, Kiamaiko ward lives in
Ghetto
Provided food, shelter weapons
transport and money to attackers.
Between 29th December 2007 and the
first week of Jan 2008 provided food,
shelter weapons transport and money to
attackers.
61. Ouma Lives in Ghetto, Mathare,
unsuccessful civic aspirant
Provided food, shelter weapons
transport and money to attackers.
Between 29th December 2007 and the
first week of Jan 2008 provided food,
shelter weapons transport and money to
attackers.
62. A man known as ‘Jogindar’ Lives in Kijiji cha Chewa, Mathare,
civic aspirant
Said to have helped finance and
organise gangs that torched
houses and robbed people.
Between 29th December 2007 and the
first week of Jan 2008 helped finance and
organise gangs that torched houses and
robbed people.
63. Chrispus Kamau Lives in Kibera Allegedly burned down a house . On 21st Jan.08, he burned down a house in Kibera.
64. A man known as ‘Carlos’ A member of an illegal group
Bukhungu and lives in Kichinjio in
Mathare. This group is said to be
associated with a politician.
Allegedly led a gang that knocked
down a house and burned and
stole property.
On 29th Jan.08, being a member of a
group, they knocked down a house
before burning it down.
ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING
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65. John Paul (JP) Alleged leader of an illegal group
called Bukhungu operating in
Kibera, Kichinjio area.
Leader of an illegal gang called
Bukhungu participated in the
violence.
His gang was involved in acts of violence
during the crisis.
66. Kotieno Lives in Kibera slums. One of the alleged leaders of Siafu
. His gang was involved in acts of violence
during the crisis.
67. Kabaka Lives in Kijiji cha Chewa, Mradi T
Area
Leader of group that torched
houses and robbed people.
Between 29th December 2007 and the
first week of Jan 2008 led a group that
torched houses and robbed people.
68. Baraza Lives in Kijiji cha Chewa, acting in
the same team with Jogindar and
Kabaka and others.
Led gangs that torched houses. Between 29th December 2007 and the
first week of Jan 2008 led gangs that
torched houses.
69. Owino Lives in Ghetto. Member of illegal group called
Taliban that torched houses and
robbed people.
Between 30th December 2007 and the
first week of Jan 2008 Owino was in a
group that torched houses and robbed
people.
70. Muturi Muthee Lives in Kariobangi South. Leader of Mungiki cell that
forcefully circumcised Luos.
Involved in various crimes during post
election period.
SOUTH RIFT REGION
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71. Jonah Koech Former Councilor Londiani Ward
He is alleged to have organized,
financed and transported and
supplied petrol to the youths to
carry out the violence and to have
participated in burning houses.
On the 5th of February 2008, with others,
burnt houses that belonged to nonkalenjins.
The same happened on
February 18 and 20th 2008. Alleged to
have also used lorries in transporting the
youths
72. General Retired Koech Contested for the Ainamoi
Parliamentary seat in 2007
General Election.
He alleged to have been one
of the organisers of the
Kalenjin attackers in South
Rift.
Alleged to have been an organizer of the
violence in the South Rift, region. His
assistants, some government officers,
and former service officers that worked
with them are known to the locals.
73. David Njuguna alias “Zebra” . Councilor Londiani town ward. Organized retaliatory attacks
against the Kipsigis.
He organized youths of the Kikuyu
Community to burn down the shops and
businesses of the Kipsigis community.
74. Martin Odhiambo Insurance Broker,
to youths.
Alleged to have financed the violence and
supplied youths with petrol to burn
homes of members of the non Kalenjin
communities.
75. Nyabuti Moseti Businessman. Organized the transportation
of the chinkororo fighters for
retaliatory attackers.
He provided Matatu to ferry the
chinkororo attackers to “defend” Kisiis.
76. Jack Sokouhuru He is a businessman and owns
butchery in Londiani.
Participation in the violence. He was one of the attackers who were
involved in the burning of kipsigis shops.
77. Zebra (alias David Githunguri or
Njoroge).
Councilor Chepkongoni Ward. Participated in torching of
houses belonging to the
Kipsigis Community.
On 20th of January 2008 he led a group of
attacks to burn homes belonging to
members of the Kipsigis Community.
NORTH RIFT REGION
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78. Faruk Kibet, Enoch Sugut, Mr
Thomas Koech and Solomon
Tilawen.
Former nominated councilor for
Wareng County Council in Eldoret,
ODM youth leader and
headmaster of Kaptebee
Secondary school, CDF Treasurer
Eldoret North Constituency, and
another ODM activist in Turbo,
respectively.
Inciting, organizing, and
participating in violence.
Faruk |Kibet is alleged tohave incited
and organized the violence in the North
Rift region. With one Councilor Solomon,
they were seen with containers full of
fuel in a vehicle, which they distributed
to groups of youth
It is alleged that with Enoch Sugut, an
ODM youth leader and Headmaster of
Tilawen, an ODM activist in Turbo, Faruk
Kibet allegedly asked two youth leaders
Mr Enoch Sugut and Solomon Tilawen to
organize the youths into battalions for
the war. Further, he allegedly requested
the youth leaders to enroll more warriors
as they waited for instructions..
On 2/1/2008 at Chepsaita in Ngenyilel
Location, accompanied by CDF Treasurer
Eldoret North Constituency, Mr Thomas
Koech, the youths were advised to attack
Kikuyu and PNU Supporters residing at
Kipkaren and Musembe trading centre.
In two meetings at Kipkaren and Kabiyet
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areas he told people that if Mwai Kibaki
was announced winner, then people
should start fighting.
Faruk is alleged to have also organized
the burning of the
Musingen.
79. A Mr Kiptalat A village elder of Yamumbi village
in Langas Eldoret.
Together with Thomas Siratei,
alleged to have led youths in
burning houses and evicting
Kikuyu from the Yamumbi area
One interviewee stated that while
fleeing, she met the named person in the
company of the youth issuing instructions
on the burning of the Kikuyu homes. This
was on 30th December 2007 at around
8.30 pm
80. Mr Thomas Siratei A village elder in Yamumbi,
Langas, Eldoret .
Together with, a village elder of
Yamumbi village by the name
Kiptalat, alleged to have led
youths in burning houses and
evicting Kikuyu from the Yamumbi
area.
A source stated that the named person
was in the company of Kipatalat the
above described together with unnamed
youths
81. Mr Kiarie alias ‘Baba Kariuki’ A resident of Kireti farm near
Burnt
Alleged to have a gun and
organized the burning of Kalenjin
houses in Kireti farm
Interviewee states that the named
person shot a man injuring him. Another
source who is a victim of the shooting
incident also indicated that the named
person is the one who shot him.
82. A Mr Kaguthi A tout in Langas area of Eldoret Alleged to have participated in the Named
severally as having carried out
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killings of Luo people by the
Kikuyu in Langas area of Eldoret
Luo.
attacks in Langas area.
83. A Mr Kamiteini A businessman in Langas estate
Eldoret.
Alleged to have organized kikuyu
youth to attack other
communities in Langas.
The named person hosted meetings that
planned attacks. He bought pangas for
the youth to use in the raids.
84. A Mr Waititu A resident of Langas, Eldoret and a
businessman in the transport
industry.
Alleged to have been involved in
organizing the youth.
He provided a grinder at his place of
business to sharpen pangas that were to
be used in the attacks .
85. Mr Anthony Samoia A resident of western farm, Langas
Eldoret .
Alleged to be have made bows
and arrows and also led Kalenjin
youth to attack target
communities in the area on 1st
January 2008.
He was seen leading the youth in
attacking targeted communities.
86. A Mr William Businessman and farmer in
Tinderet Tea Estate
Used his three vehicles (a Nissan,
a pick u p and a tractor) to ferry
property that had been looted
from Kikuyu and Kisii in Tinderet
tea estate.
His three vehicles ferried property
belonging to Kisii and Kikuyu in
Chemamul, Nandi South, and Tinderet
Tea Estate on the morning of 31st
December, 2007.
87. A Mr. Jacob A resident of Nandi hills town and
owns a boutique in the town.
Led a group of youth from around
Nandi hills town to loot shops
belonging to Kikuyu
He was heard planning to loot a
supermarket in the town and then later
he was seen leading youth to loot Kikuyu
shops on 28th December 2007 at around
5.00 pm in
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88. Mr Sambui A resident of Soi area. Aided the violence. Provided his Public Service Vehicles
(Matatus) vehicles to ferry attackers to
and from the town.
89. Mrs. Eunice Maina An elderly Kalenjin lady and a
farmer who stays in Marura area
of Eldoret.
Aiding and financing the violence. She is alleged to have given out her
incomplete house in Marura for night
meetings to plan attacks and also allowed
part of the incomplete house to be used
for making of arrows for the attacks.
She is also alleged to have provided
lorries to ferry youth from Moiben to and
attack Kimumu and the surrounding
areas.
90. Mr Jackson Kibor
A wealthy businessman and elder. Addressed youth and urged them
to attack and evict Kikuyus on
several occasions during the
violence.
Youth assembled at his home and later
marched to Maili Moja shopping centre
where he addressed them on 30th
December 2008 at 5.30 pm. He also
addressed a bigger number of youths in
his home on 1st January 2008.
He supported violence on BBC and tried
to justify the actions in the interview.
91. A Mr Sechete Resident of Silas area of Eldoret.
He owns butchery at Silas Estate.
Organized Kikuyu to attack other
communities living in Silas and
Munyaka estates of Eldoret town.
He was seen leading other Kikuyu in Silas
on the morning of 30th December 2008 to
attack other communities.
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92. Mr Shaaban Mbugua A kikuyu resident of Silas area and
a lorry driver .
Led attackers in the Silas area of
Eldoret
He was seen leading other Kikuyu in Silas
on the morning of 30th December 2008 to
burn houses in Ilula and Silas areas of
Eldoret.
93. A Mr Alfred A resident of Tambach township
and a matatu driver along Iten
road
Aided and participated in the
violence.
He transported attackers to burn the
home of the interviewee. He burnt
houses belonging to Kikuyu in Tambach
together with Abraham Chemen, (a
construction worker in Tambach), Bobon,
Raymond Mebar, and Kibiyego (a
neighbor and a medical worker at
Kakuma refugee camp in Turkana
district).
He was the custodian of funds that were
used to pay the attackers and generally
carry out the attacks.
94. A Mr Kaunda A Marakwet man staying in an
area neighboring
in
District
Alleged to have organized attacks
and arson in
He was seen leading youth in burning
houses in Matierio village on 1st
September 2008 at around 2.00 pm,
there were about 150 youth.
95. Mr Kipkoech Too and Nicholas
Sitienei
Former headmaster of Kakiptui
Primary School and currently CDF
Committee Member for Mosop
respectively.
Assisted in raising of funds for the
violence.
He assisted in conducting a harambee
towards buying of arms. It was said at the
meeting that they knew people who
could assist buy the arms.
96. Councilor Kiptindinyo Councilor of Kapsimotwo Ward, Leading of violence and He lead violence
in Nandi Hills and incited Nandi . incitement. communities to violence.
97. Mr Joshua Arap Sang A reporter with Kass FM who
hosted some of the morning
shows
Used the station to mobilize and
plan for violence
. He branded those who did not vote with
the rest of the Kalenjin community
traitors.
98. A Mr Jacob aka ‘AYJ’ Councilor
Kiplimo and Metto alias ‘Mataifa’.
A business man at Nandi Hills
township and a secondhand
clothes dealer, and a councilor..
They aided and participated in the
violence and destruction of
property.
In the planning for violence Jacob was
assigned to dentify all Kikuyus and Kisiis
in the town and to recruit youths to do
the destruction. The three of them burnt
down Total Petrol station in Nandi Hills.
99. Murei, retired Senior
Superintendent of Police
Retired Superintendent of Police
and a resident of Cheptirwa
Village
Trainining warriors. He was in charge of training the warriors
in the area.
100. A Mr Serem KNUT Secretary Nandi North Planning and organization of the
violence.
He was involved in the planning of the
violence in the area. He organized youths
from Sangalo to burn houses .
101. A Mr Maiyo A resident of Yamuumbi estate,
Muiruti Shopping Centre.
Hosted attackers. He housed youths till 30/12/2008 who
were suspected to have caused the
violence immediately after the
announcement of the Presidential
election results.
He accommodated and fed the youth
warriors who were preparing to attack.
With Mr Jeremiah Kosgey they hosted
the attackers.
102. Mr Ishmael Choge A resident of Kapsabet and former
councilor.
Providing supprt to the
violence/aiding and abbeting
violence.
He was in charge of funds distribution in
Emgwen. He also worked with Amos Korir
of the same area. Allegedly collected
money from the business community
which was used to sponsor the violence.
103. A Mr ‘Barubaru’
Was An ODM Aspirant for
Chemundu Ward
Participation in the violence. Coordinated and participated in violence
in Nandi North District.
104. Mr Joshua Arap Keter Head teacher Kosacheii Secondary
School Sugoi.
Aiding and abbeting the violence. With his saloon car he used to ferry
petrol, airtime and money to mobilize the
youth for the violence.
105. Mark Too A wealthy farmer and
businessman, former Nominated
KANU MP
Hosting raiders. He hosted a raiders’ training camp at his
farm next to the Eldoret International
Airport where he supplied food and milk
for the raiders during training.
106. Mr Thomas Boiben Businessman in Eldoret Aided and abeted acts in the
violence
His lorry was allegedly used to ferry items
believed to have been used during the
violence. He was quoted to have asked
his fellow Kalenjins why any Kikuyu
houses were still standing unburnt at the
height of the violence.
107. Mr Richard Chesment and
Salina Kosgey alias Wasitara
Prominent businessmen in Nandi
Transporting of attackers. They ferried and funded youths who
caused the mayhem using their own
vehicles that went around looting the
Kikuyu property.
108. Wilson Mutai Resident of Kosachei Ward and a
former
Council
Funding the violence.
With Dennis Chemase Kanu youth
leader Eldoret North he was seen moving
around the district distributing money to
the youth during and after the chaos.
109. Mr Benjamin Akumu alias
‘Malo malo ‘
A newspaper vendor in Oginga
Alleged to have led the youth in
burning and looting houses in
Kipkaren area of Eldoret and killed
one person in the process
He led the youth to evict Kikuyu from
Kipkaren area and loot and burn their
property on 31st December 2007. A
kikuyu man named Kennedy was later
found burnt in one of the houses.
110. Mr Peter Maluma alias ‘Pokot’
A resident of Kipkaren Estate of
Eldoret
Alleged to have also organized the
youth to evict Kikuyu from
Kipkaren area and burn their
houses
He was seen in the company of the
attackers.
111. A man known as ‘Mzee Pilot’ He stays in Huruma area of
Eldoret and owns a bar in the area
. Alleged to have hosted youth in
his residence.
He hosted a group of youth who were
around 300 in number on 29th December
2008 in his residence. He was seen giving
instructions to the armed group. He was
mentioned to have been a leader of the
attackers in Huruma.
112. Mr ‘Brother Jew’ A Hotel owner in Huruma area of
Eldoret named ‘Brother Jew’
Alleged to have been involved in
the planning of violence in
Huruma area of Eldoret
He was involved in the plaaning of the
violence in the Huruma area of Eldoret
and provided a grinder at his premises in
Huruma.
113. Emmanuel Lamai Bor, Clement
Kipkemei Lamai.
Both are sons of a Mr Bor Participation in the violence.
They were seen among the raiders at the
Kiambaa church burning and were
involved in hacking people to death.
Have since been arrested and arraigned
in court on charges of murder.
114. Stephen K. Leting (Chemalan) A civic seat aspirant
Participation in the violence
He was seen among the raiders at the
Kiambaa church burning and was
involved in hacking people to death.
Has since been arrested and arraigned in
court on charges of murder.
115. A man commonly known as
“Brown”
A butchery proprietor at
Cheplaskei
Participation in the violence
He was seen among the raiders at the
Kiambaa church burning and was
involved in hacking people to death.
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MOLO DISTRICT
116. Thomas Belsoi A retired police officer and son of
a former army captain (Belsoi). He
resides at Sirikwa farm.
Hosted raiders and provided
support to them.
He provided storage for gusn and other
logistics including biculars that led to the
killings of 20 Kikuyu young men.
117. Peter Belsoi, Son of a former army
captain(Belsoi). He resides at
Sirikwa farm. Works with Telkom
in
Contributed money for the
violence.
Mr. Belsoi contributed money towards
the violence and that he was in the area
during the relevant period.
118. S.P. Siele Businessman (Wholesale trader) in
Total Trading centre
Financed attacks in Molo and
Total
He was reportedly one of the key
financiers of violence against non ODM
supporters in Total and Mau Summit
area.
119. Wilson Leitich A former nominated councilor and
former Nakuru Kanu branch
chairman
financier of violence
hosting of raiders.
He was reportedly financier of the
violence and severally hosted raiders in
his residence at Muchorwe Farm from
where they planned and launched
attacks.
KURESOI
120. Moses Cheboi Immediate former MP Kuresoi Incitement to violence
Negative ethnic comments and
hate speech
Financing meetings where attacks
were planned and financed the
attacks
Providing transport to attackers
He reportedly financed a meeting held at
Chepkinoiyo near Sitoito after party
nominations during which it was resolved
that Kikuyus should be evicted so that
they do not vote for the Kikuyu aspirant.
He is said to have co financed another
meeting held in Keringet on 22/12/07,
which declared total war on the Kikuyus
and the Kisii.
He supplied a lorry which was reportedly
used to ferry raiders to scenes of attacks
on diverse dates
121. James Koskei Former MP, Kuresoi Facilitating and organizing
violence
He facilitated and attended meetings
after ODM nominations which were held
in mid November, 2007 that planned
attacks on Kikuyus .
122. Joseph Kebenei Parliamentary aspirant, Kuresoi Inciting, facilitating and organizing
violence against Kikuyus and Kisiis.
He facilitated and attended meetings
after ODM nominations which were held
in mid November, 2007 that planned
attacks on Kikuyus.
123. Ezekiel Kesendany Parliamentary aspirant, Kuresoi Alleged to have incited, facilitating
and organizing violence against
Kikuyus and Kisiis.
In a meeting held at Kiptororo on
22/12/2007, he stated that Kalenjins
should evict Kikuyus from Nyota farm.
124. Arap Sang (nickname LW) Prominent businessman Hosted a Kalenjin leadings for a
meeting where attacks against
Kikuyus and Kisiis were planned
On 22/12/07, he hosted a Kalenjin
leaders’ meeting at his residence at
Keringet during which the leaders
declared war on the Kikuyus and Kisiis.
125. Julius Sigei Former councillor, Nyota ward
and a chief campaigner of Moses
Cheboi and a resident of
Muchorwe farm
He organized violence. He was a key perpetrator of violence
against the Kikuyus and Kisiis.
126. Jacob Rono Personal Assistant to Moses
Cheboi and also the CDF manager
He was involved in organizing
violence
On 28/12/07 after Moses Cheboi lost the
Kuresoi seat, he ordered the youth to go
and start attacks alleging that votes had
been rigged. The youth later attacked
and burnt houses at Keringet Trading
centre
127. Mr Sigiroi Civic aspirant Mkulima ward in
Kuresoi
He is alleged to have incited the
Kalenjin by uttering hate speeches
against the Kikuyu.
During the campaign period he
repeatedly urged Kalenjin voters during
campaigns not to vote for kikuyu
aspirants so as to reduce kikuyu
dominance in the area.
128. Geoffrey Koskey (Kio Farm,
Kuresoi)
Former Civic Aspirant (2007),
Kuresoi Ward. .
Planning and organizing violence
Use of derogatory language
against the Kikuyu and inciting the
Kalenjins against the Kikuyu.
He warned a witness to escape from the
area so that he is not harmed when
violence begins. He allegedly told the
witness that they had been holding night
meetings to discuss the fate of Kikuyus.
129. Josiah Gakono (Kio Farm,
Kuresoi)
One of Moses Cheboi’s
campaigners
incitement against the Kikuyu by
uttering hate speeches. nd
burning of houses
He was spotted several times burning
houses in the area. In one major attack,
he was seen armed with bows and
arrows and a Panga. He was wearing a
shot and had smeared his face. He also
reportedly referred to Kikuyus as
madoadoa (spots), Ng’ogi (dogs).
130. Benjamin Chirchir Local prominent businessman.
(Set Kobor, Kuresoi)
Hosting attackers. Raiders reported to have been staying at
his home. Sometime in November 2007,
a group of about 200 raiders was spotted
by a witness in his compound, which is
next to a forest. Later that evening, there
was an attack in Murinduko farm.
131. Mathayo Sang (Kongoi farm,
Kuresoi)
Local businessman timber dealer,
Cheboi’s chief campaigner, head
of CDF committee.
Hosting of meetings of raiders
and funding the raiders.
He was one the persons who hosted
raiders and planned violence. He once
told a witness that they either vote for
Cheboi or they get pushed out of the
area. On 2/2/08, he reportedly used send
two men to purchase petrol at Kuresoi
Trading Center, which was later used to
burn houses.
During the post election clashes, he
reportedly hosted and paid the raiders.
132. Francis Kenduiywo (Kongoi
farm, Kuresoi)
Local businessman, Former
Councillor, Kuresoi Ward
Planning and funding of violence One of those who hosted raiders on
diverse dates during which violence
against the Kikuyus and Kisiis was
planned violence.
133. John Maritim (Kongoi farm,
Kuresoi)
Local businessman, Former
Councilor, Kuresoi Ward.
Planning and funding of violence He was one of those who hosted raiders
on diverse dates during which violence
against the Kikuyus and Kisiis was
planned violence.
134. Wesley Ruto
(Ogilge farm, Kuresoi)
Former parliamentary aspirant,
Kuresoi)
Facilitating and planning violence Raiders used to gather at his house. His
four w heel car (Toyota Double Cabin)
was used to ferry injured raiders to
hospital. Sometimes in 2007, during a
fundraiser, he told the Kalenjins to stop
selling land to the Kikuyus and Kisii.
135. Elijah (Nickname, Jua Kali) Local businessman, Kongoi farm,
Kuresoi.
Planning and facilitating violence His car called ‘Tinet Gaa’ used to ferry
raiders to scenes of attacks and to ferry
the injured to hospital.
136. David Chumba also known as
Siagi
Prominent businessman who deals
in livestock and timber
Issuing threats, hosting attackers
and organizing attacks
During the campaign period, he issued
threats to a Civic aspirant who vied and
worn a civic seat. He told him that he
should stop vying for the seat or else he
faces dire consequences. His house was
raided by police after an attack in Giticha
farm sometimes in November 2007.
During the attack, some raiders were
killed by the police. The police then
proceeded to Chumba’s house where
they reportedly found a group of raiders
preparing to take tea which had been
prepared using big sufurias (cooking
pots). It is alleged that the police found a
dead body in the house. Chumba and the
raiders were arrested but were shortly
released reportedly upon the
intervention of Hon Moses Cheboi.
137. Josiah Langat Local Prominent businessman,
Owns several posho mills and
trades in livestock.
Planning and organising of
violence
Stock theft
He financed youths to steal livestock and
hosted raiders at his residence in
Kabongoi. Sometimes in august 2007, his
son and a group of cattle rustlers were
arrested by police with stolen cows which
they were driving towards Transmara.
138. Joel Langat Former OCPD, Nakuru. Farmer at
Kamwaura Angurwe village.
Hosting raiders and stock theft
during the post elections
violence
Raiders frequently gathered at Langat’s
home for planning of attacks. Stolen
livestock were first taken to his residence
before being driven away.
139. Mathias
Resident of Haraka farm and is
said to own a big house .
Hosting of raiders About 200 raiders gathered at Mathias’
residence. They were seen by policeman
who was on the material day among a
group of policemen pursuing stolen
animals.
140. Tito (nickname) Haraka farm,
Kuresoi Division
Local businessman with a posho
mill, shop and a hotel
Hosting attackers, financing and
planning of violence
Raiders used to converge at his business
premises to organize attacks. In August
2006, he was arrested by Kikuyu youths
during an attack by Kalenjin raiders in
Murinduko but was released shortly. He
is very influential and commands huge
support from the Kalenjins.
On 28/11/07, hundreds of Kalenjin
youths gathered outside Tito’s shop. They
later threatened the witness and crossed
over to the neighbouring Murinduko
farm and began attacking Kikuyus who
were attending to their farms, killing two
elderly people.
141. Joel Toweet Farmer at Set Kobor Hosting attackers and planning
violence
According to witnesses, Joel’s son,
Vincent Mutai was killed in 2006 during a
cattle rustling incident at Tegea farm. He
accused Murinduko people of being
behind his son’s death. He used to drink
beer at Murinduko center and severally
threatened to avenge the death of his
son. Prior to an attack at Murinduko farm
on 28/11/2007 during which two elderly
people (Daniel Waruhiu and Susan
Wangui) were killed, raiders were
spotted meeting at his residence.
142. Wesley ‘Chagau’ Nominated councilor, Keringet Financing violence Wesley reportedly owns a
light blue
Datsun 1200 which was used to ferry
food to various scenes of attacks. He also
owns a big butchery in Keringet and used
to supply cooked meat to the raiders
OLENGORUONE
143. James Tuwei Councilor, Cheptuech ward Incitement and participating in
violence
The Councillor gave inflammatory
speeches during the campaigns. That
during a meeting after the party
nominations, he said that the Kalenjins
must fight and liberate the rest of the
Kuresoi like they did in Chepakundi in
1992. The land has since been taken over
by the Kalenjins). He was also spotted
armed with bows and arrows in several
incidences
144. Bidii Arap Too
Former Councilor Facilitating and supporting the
violence.
His lorry was used to ferry raiders to
scenes of attacks.
145. Joshua Sang
Farmer , lives in Olenguruone.
Financing and planning violence He owns a lorry which was used to
transport raiders on diverse dates. He is
an influential person.
146. Joseph Koromecha Mamoen 80 year old Kalenjin elder. He
lives in Saptet on the way to
Olenguruone.
Illegal oathing and participating in
meeting to plan violence.
Koromecha presided over traditional
ceremonies and cleansing/blessing the
youths for the war. He held a meeting
with Kalenjin elders on 22/12/07
between 11.00am to 1.00pm at a Mr.
Arap Sang’s (nicknamed LW) residence.
147. Dickson a man known
otherwise known as ‘Dyma’
(Olenguruone)
Local prominent businessman.
Proprietor of Dyma Wholesalers
and Dyma Petrol station.
Financing violence. His lorry (white canter, Mitsubishi) was
used to ferry raiders to scenes of attacks.
He also reportedly sponsored the
violence through supply of food, fuel and
money. He also owns a green pick u p
truck,
and food supplies to the forest.
148. Simeon Rabwet
Headmaster Amaro Secondary
School.
Organizing and participating in
violence
He organized the violence. In the
aftermath of the elections his car was
used to accompany the raiders during
attacks. He was spotted addressing
raiders during several planning meetings.
Rabwet’s main role was mobilizing the
raiders and coordinating transport to
various scenes of attack
149. Mr Keror Former Police officer Incitement and organizing of
violence
He was involved in mobilization towards
the violence
150. Pius Koech (Olenguruone) Former Teacher and Chief. Also an
influential village elder.
Organizing, financing and
participating in violence
He is a village elder who reportedly used
to solicit for contributions towards the
violence. He was spotted severally
addressing the raiders at Olenguruone
trading centre. He was also seen severally
boarding vehicles destined for Muchorwe
while armed together with the raiders.
This was around the third week of
January 2008.
151. Matayo Resident of Ambusket area of
Olengurone
Financing violence Matayo reportedly donated a ten wheel
truck, ‘grey’ in colour for use during the
violence
152. Mr Bii, Headmaster, Teta primary School Directing and participating in
violence
He led a group of raiders that burnt down
the Nyagachu chief’s office and Nyagachu
Police Post. The raiders threatened the
area chief with lynching if he did not
support the violence. The chief was
ordered to remove his files from his
office before it was set ablaze
153. Mochogorop Oyonge Spiritual leader. Illegal administering of oaths. In January 2008, he was
brought from
Transmara by local leaders and elders to
administer oaths to the youths in
readiness for the attacks. One of the
elders who brought him is called Joseph
Koromicha.
154. Korir Former Chief, Amaro location Mobilizing and organizing violence Korir was reportedly in
charge of
mobilizing and training/briefing of raiders
on the attacks. The raiders routinely
assembled at Olenguruone, Keringet
shopping center and on various spots
along the roads where they were picked
by the trucks
155. Joseph Sang
Retired Clinical Officer Incitement, mobilizing of funds
and organizing violence.
Mobilized youth for the attacks. He
further used to mobilize for funds to
facilitate the attackers. He was spotted
severally addressing the youths in
Kiptagich area. Immediately after the
announcement of the presidential
results, a group of youths allied to Joseph
Sang attacked and burnt a residential
area near the DO’s office which is mainly
inhabited by Kisiis
MAUCHE
156. Kirui alias ‘Savco’ Aspiring councillor, Mauche ward Incitementy, organizing and
participating in violence
He convened youth meetings convincing
them to protect their community. He
further organized the youths to dig up
trenches on the tarmac road and to
barricade the roads
157. ‘Saitoti’
(Nickname)
Farmer Incitement. He incited the kalenjins against the
Kikuyus. On 31/12/07, he said that the
Kalenjins should not allow the Kikuyus to
flee under police escort since they were
the cause of their problems. He wanted
them to remain for them to be dealt with
accordingly.
158. Sammy Rotich, Alias ‘Saro’ Youth leader Participating in attacks He was in the front line in
during the
violence. He was also was also involved in
looting. He used to be in the company of
another ex army office.
MAU
159. Wilfred Bii
(Mau Summit)
Former Teacher (Pele Primary
School) and cureently a board
member Mau Summit Secondary
School).
Hosting raiders and organizing
violence
Raiders used to converge at his house at
the height of violence.
160. David Koech Son to a catechist who lives in
Mau Summit
Participated in the raids He is said to have been involved as a
raider and was identified by the
interviewee in a raid on 1/1/08.
161. Josiah Koech (Mau Summit) Headmaster, Koige Primary
School.
Participating in violence He was seen participating in violence
during a raid in Mau Summit on 1/1/08
162. Ben (Total, Mau Summit) Manager, Leopard Park Hotel Hosting attackers, Raiders used to meet
at his hotel.
163. Philip Tuikong
(Mau Summit, Haraka Sub location)
Subchief, Haraka Sublocation Negligence of duty and complicity
in violence.
He told his neighbour (a Kisii) to move
away since there was going to be an
attack on the Kikuyus
164. Mr Rono, Mau Summit. Retired chief, Mau Summit
Location
Organizing and participating in
violence
He together with other people burnt a
Mr G.K. Mwaura in his house on 1/1/08.
Mwaura was escaping from his house
which had been set on fire by the chief
and his colleagues. The attackers caught
up with him and tossed him into the
burning house where he burnt to death.
NAKURU
165. Mr. David Manyara. Former MP for Nakuru town Inciting and planning Mobilized and led
around 300 members
of Mungiki to Ponda
Nakuru on 15th January 2008
Bought pangas from Woolmart
supermarket on Friday 11th January 2008
in preparation for attacks
166. Mayor Gikara Politician Planning and organizing violence Together with two other people he was involved in bringing members of the
Mungiki group to Kwa Rhoda estate of
Nakuru
CENTRAL RIFT REGION
ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATIONS SUPPORTING INFORMATION
167. Zakayo A businessman based in Nakuru
and owns a sawmill and a hotel
known as ’Zakayo’ on
in Nakuru
Planning and organizing violence Together with two other people he was
involved in bringing members of the
Mungiki group to Kwa Rhoda estate of
Nakuru
168. Mr. Maina Principal, Nakuru Blanket
secondary School, Nakuru, said to
be a Luhya
Incitement He was inciting people to violence against
the Kikuyus
169. Mike Brawan Aspirant for the Nakuru
Parliamentary seat
Incitement He was in the company of violent youth
chanting ODM slogans and harassing and
intimidating kikuyus in Nakuru on 30th
December 2007
He was with youth who smashed
properties belonging to kikuyus in Langa
langa and Mwisho areas of Nakuru
170.
operations
Negligence of duty and complicity
in violence
He assisted the Mungiki youths on
25/1/08 as they attacked and killed ODM
supporters in Nakuru town.
171. Mr Too Chief of Timboroa, Subukia
location.
Organizing and participating in
violence
Involved in instigating violence. He
reportedly ordered Kalenjin raiders in
Subukia on, 1/1/08, to attack and burn
Kikuyu houses. He allegedly personally
took charge of the attacks.
172. Hezron Wamutonyi Businessman in Free Area, Nakuru.
He also deals with herbal
Inciting violence. He was heard saying that whoever killed
a Kalenjin would be paid Ksh. 25,000 and
medicine, owns a butchery and a
bar called
a Luo Ksh. 18,000.
Hosted about 2000 youth armed with
pangas in his home in Free Area, Nakuru
after the elections. He was later arrested
by the police and released.
Was receiving reports from members of
the Mungiki group who carried out
attacks. Interviewee states that the
alleged person called him on 13th
February 2008 and apologized to him
that he was affected yet he (the
interviewer) was a PNU supporter . He
promised to tell his boys not to attack
him and asked the interviewee to call him
in case of any danger.
173. Wandaka A resident of Free Area, Nakuru
and a scrap dealer. Also deals in
hides and skins and owns
residential houses
Planning and financing violence He hosted a meeting attended by kikuyus
after elections to plan violence in Free
Area, Nakuru.
He sponsored violence in Kiratina and
Free Area in Nakuru
174. Joseph Kuria A resident of Free Area, Nakuru
and owner of a hotel known as
‘Farmers Hotel’
Planning and organizing violence He convened a meeting for kikuyus after
the elections to plan violence in Nakuru’s
Free Area
175. Mr. Kimotho An elderly man and a resident of
Free Area, Nakuru and owns a
matatu
Brought weapons to Free Area
during the violence
A matatu belonging among other lorries
that ferried youth to Free Area and she
further states that the vehicle she
identified as Kimotho’s brought pangas.
176. Danson Ngatia A businessman in Free Area,
Nakuru. Owns a hardware known
as ‘Bura Yangu’ in Free Area
Financing violence Financed the mungiki group to carry out
violence in Kiratina and Free Area in
Nakuru.
177. Mash wa Dafra A youth who stays in Karatina,
Nakuru and owns a hotel known
as ‘Dafra’
Participating in violence Was the ringleader of youth who
attacked luos and kalenjins in Karatina
and Free Areas in Nakuru. He was in
constant communication with financiers
of the violence.
NAIVASHA
178. Mrs. Jane Kihara
Immediate Former MP Naivasha Organizing and financing violence. She organized the Kikuyu youths
and
solicited funds to facilitate attacks against
Luos who she accused of failing to vote
for her leading to her defeat. She
participated in several planning meetings
at La Belle Inn and other Hotel in
On 25/12/07, she bought pangas and
other crude weapons from Branch Kubwa
Supermarket for use during attacks
against the Luos.
On the day she lost the elections, she
went to Keroche industries and provided
money to Kikuyu workers so that they
could evict Luos.
She further organized for ferrying of
kikuyu militia to Karagita.
179. Mark Kariuki Businessman (proprietor of La
Belle Inn
Organizing and financing violence. His Hotel was routinely used as meeting
point during the planning of the violence.
180. Pharis Ndung’u Chege Former Naivasha mayor and
businessman in
Organizing and financing violence. He was one of financiers of the violence.
He was one of the conveners of the
meetings held at La Belle Inn.
181. Timothy Kamau Prominent Local Businessman Organizing and financing violence. He
orgnanised and financed the
violence. He was one of the conveners of
the meetings held at La Belle Inn.
182. Kigoshi Prominent Local Businessman Organizing and financing violence. He organized and financed of the
violence. He was one of the conveners of
the meetings held at La Belle Inn.
On 27/1/08, he went round Naivasha
town and the estates and called upon the
Kikuyus (using a loudspeaker) to come
out and join in the violence.
183. Munderu Local Businessman, Matatu
Operator
Organizing, mobilizing and
financing violence.
Together with several other Matatu
proprietors, he was involved in planning,
mobilizing and coordinating the violence
in Naivasha and its environs.
He was among the group that
coordinated the transportation of Kikuyu
attackers alleged to be Mungiki from
other areas in
184. Wajulia Prominent Local Businessman
Matatu Operator
Organizing, mobilizing and
financing violence.
Together with several other Matatu
proprietors, he was involved in planning,
mobilizing and coordinating the violence
in Naivasha and its environs.
He was among the group that
coordinated the transportation of Kikuyu
attackers alleged to be Mungiki from
other areas in
185. Lucky Boy Prominent Local Businessman
Matatu Operator
Organizing, mobilizing and
financing violence.
Together with several other Matatu
proprietors, he was involved in planning,
mobilizing and coordinating the violence
in Naivasha and its environs.
He was among the group that
coordinated the transportation of Kikuyu
attackers alleged to be Mungiki from
other areas in
186. Owner of Rafiki Supermarket Local Businessperson Organizing, mobilizing and
financing violence.
She organized of violence. She ordered
her Luo tenants to vacate the houses. On
25/12/07, she reportedly held a meeting
at Kabati estate, which was exclusively
attended by Kikuyus. Earlier in the day,
she was spotted in the company of Jayne
Kihara, the area MP, who was buying
pangas and other crude weapons from
Branch Kubwa supermarket.
187. Virginia Wambugua Local Businessperson Proprietor
of
Organizing, mobilizing and
financing violence.
She was involved in financing the
violence and is also accused of evicting
Luo tenants from her houses.
188. Mr Njuki Local Businessperson proprietor
of Njuki Hardware
Organizing, mobilizing and
financing violence
He was involved in financing the violence.
189. Komen Teacher Joyland academy Organizing and participating in
violence.
He was involved in organizing the
Kalenjin youths towards the violence and
was severally seen participating in
violence and in particular on 3/1/08 at
Elementaita
190. Chepkwony Teacher Muririshwa Secondary
school
Organizing and participating in
violence.
He was involved in organizing the
Kalenjin youths towards the violence and
was severally seen participating in
violence and in particular on 3/1/08 at
Elementaita
191. Kihara Njoroge Local leader (Ngata farm,
Kiambogo, Naivasha Constituency)
Organizing and participating in
violence.
He was one of the ring leaders during an
attack in Ngata farm by Kikuyu raiders
192. Samson Nderitu Local leader (Ngata farm,
Kiambogo, Naivasha Constituency)
Organizing and participating in
violence.
He was one of the ring leaders during an
attack in Ngata farm by Kikuyu raiders
193. Jonathan Kuria Warothe Current councilor, Hell’s Gate
ward. Previously worked as a
junior supervisor spraying section
at Nini farm in Naivasha
Organizing and participating in
violence
He convened a meeting at Shamba la
Nyama Butchery in Karagita where a
friend of the interviewee attended the
meeting. The meeting was called for all
kikuyu workers of Nini flower farm,
persons who attended the meeting were
told to be prepared for war and fight the
Luos and they would be paid by Jonathan
and Jane Kihara, the immediate former
MP of Naivasha. The meeting was held
for three days consecutively
194. Wasami, Gathuo, Gachia and
Wainaina
Workers at Naivasha’s Nini flower
farm
Incitement and threats to violence The three who are the co w orkers of the
interviewee at Nini flower farm arrived
on the morning of 31st December 2007 at
their place of work and started taunting
and threatening non kikuyus at the work
place.
195. Mr Ngujiri A resident of Kitur farm in
Naivasha
Organizing and participating in
violence
Mentioned as one of the persons who
was involved in organizing kikuyu youth
in Kitur farm to go and attack kalenjins
196. Wagaitho A businessman in Naivasha Incitement to violence On 30th December 2007, after
announcement of elections, he was
among the group that went around Nini
estate in Naivasha shouting that all nonkikuyus
must leave the estate
197. ‘
among the group that went around Nini
estate in Naivasha shouting that all nonkikuyus
must leave the estate
198. Dr. Ngige Owns a residential houses in
Naivasha
Incitement to violence On 30th December 2007, after
announcement of elections, he was
among the group that went around Nini
estate in Naivasha shouting that all nonkikuyus
must leave the estate
NYANZA
ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING
INFORMATION
199. John Opere, Morris Oguda,
Fores Oruath ,Ogeyo Ogiro, Jared
Oyoo, Daniel Osodo, Utturu
Otingo, Jones Odinga,
Samuel Odinga, Elius Odinga
Aids / Supporters of the MP for
Nyatike Hon. Omondi Anyanga
Coordinated the riots, looting and
killings
They looted and rioted in Nyatike and
plotted the deaths of Nyatike councilllors
200. Zebii DJ at a Resort Club in Migori Leader in looting and destruction
of property
He led the youth in pointing out premises
belonging to non Luos for looting and
destruction
201. Mama Atoti Business lady in Migori Leader in looting and destruction
of property
Led people who broke into the premises
of a mobile phone dealer
202. Chief Inspector Wanyama The officer in charge of Central
Police Station, Kisumu
Looting. Participated in looting and destruction of
property. A team from the CID
Headquarters in
to investigate him and a report issued,
but despite efforts to obtain a copy of the
report, this was not made available to the
KNCHR.
WESTERN
ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING
INFORMATION
203. Chiri Kamanu A son of a retired law firm
employee in Eldoret and lives in
Serengea Market.
Said to have involved in arson, and
stealing of cows
He was among a group of youths that
looted, and burnt property.
204. Hillary Jirongo Related to Hon. Jirongo and
manages his father’s farm in
Sergoit.
Said to have involved in arson, and
stealing of cows
She was among a group of youths that
looted, and burnt property.
205. Patrick Amukora alis “Patty” Has a farm in Sergoit in an area
called Block 10.
Said to have involved in arson, and
stealing of cows
. He was among a group of youths that
looted, and burnt property
206. Mr. Omusula alias Zamaleck Proprietor of Zamelck Music
stores in Kakamega town
Financing the violence On several days, he paid youths to burn
Kikuyu property
207. James Tororei Retired army officer Said to have sponsored the
violence.
He acted as the organizer and sponsor of
violence in parts of Lugari District. His
vehicles were used to collect stolen
property.
208. Maloba Ex special branch officer Said to have sponsored the
violence
He sponsored the violence.
CENTRAL REGION
ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING
INFORMATION
209. Mburu Gituya Businessman Supply of weapons Supplied weapons to Kikuyu raiders in
Eldoret town.
210. John Nice Businessman Supply of weapons Supplied weapons to Kikuyu raiders in
Eldoret town.
211. Mr Buba Businessman and owner of Buba
Hardware
Supply of weapons Supplied weapons to Kikuyu raiders in
Eldoret town.
212. Name not established Owner of Kimiti Hardware Supply of weapons Supplied weapons to Kikuyu raiders in Eldoret town.
213. Peter Mwathi MP for Limuru constituency Incitement to violence He asked Mungiki to arm
themselves to
defend the Kikuyu in the Rift Valley in a
meeting where alongside other MPS he
addressed IDPs on 19th January 2008
214. Muigai Njoroge Musician/artist Incitement through hate speech The musician composed
derogatory song insinuating that Raila Odinga is a
murderer and power hungry. He made
reference to Luo people as being lazy.
Played on several local language stations
with following in
215. Njenga Karume Former MP for Kiambaa Aided in the violence He provided money to aid in the eviction of non Kikuyus from
216. Mary Wambui, PNU Activist Financing the violence She organised finances and attended
meetings together with Members of
Parliament for Gatundu North,
Mukurweini and Kiamba. The meetings
were held to plan retaliatory attacks.
217. A Mr Bob Member of the Kikuyu Matatu Aiding and abetting violence The extent to which
Businesspeople Welfare Association including financing. financed perpetration of violence against non Kikuyu communities was not quite
clear. Together with other business
persons met on 26 January 2008 at
Kikuyu Country Club to fundraise for
eviction of non Kikuyu residents..
218. A Mr Wa Babu owner of Makutano Bar in Kikuyu
Town
Aiding and abetting violence
including financing.
219. Owners of Buba Hardware,
Kimiti Hardware and Menrose
Hardware, all in Kikuyu,
Business people Aiding and abetting violence. Supplied weapons such as machetes.to
the attackers.
Get a posh office/work station in a posh location that is run by professionals
Trying to sell something? Get the phone ringing off the hook with people eager to buy. It is so simple. See this amazing offer NOW.
Eh Okay. Now what next?
ReplyDeleteIf that is what is there? What about hate speech? One way or another all of us will end up being in that list.
So let him who has no sin cast the first stone?
I have cast the first stone!! I was not in anyway linked to incitement, funding, planning or organizing the violence. Ivy, if u were there, then I hope the long arm of the law catches up with you.
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteI have to congratulate you on having the balls to release the list of alleged perpetrators. My only hope is that something gets done about the Waki Report. I cant wait for these idiots to go to the Hague. Impunity must end!!!
Thanks again. You have done your country proud!!
Kenyans, the ball is on our court now. Kwale, will you be the one to stand in the gap??
Ngunyi Ngunjiri said " Ivy, if u were there, then I hope the long arm of the law catches up with you."
ReplyDeleteThat one you will wait until the good Lord comes. I am as white as snow on those allegations.
Just be careful what say you...Coz your speech/writing has so much hate in itself...Vengeance!! That is not in you to decide the one to decide is upstairs. But dont worry it is therapeutic
total crap!!!!!
ReplyDeletethis is KNHRC list and has been in the public domain for ages..
where is the Waki list looser?
KK has lost all credibility!!!
Chris,
ReplyDeleteI gather this is the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)alleged list that was released a few months ago.
Although it does have similarities to the CIPEV list, your list misses some important names that are in the envelope that is in the custody of Kofi Annan.
The name of one Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta is conspicuously missing on this list. His side kick, Murage is also missing, yet these two are well known Mungiki sympathisers and financiers who have worked closely with Maina Njega, Ndura Waruinge and Gitau Wa Gitau. In January, Uhuru was Kibaki's 'ambassador-at-large'. He was effectively running ALL errands for the big man.
He was part and parcel of the meeting that took place in State House, alongside Maina Kamanda, Njenga Karume together with Mary Wambui and her puppet Stanley Livondo Livongo.
What I am saying is this list Chris has published here has since been UPDATED by Waki who was also privy to state intelligence reports and as well as to 'in-camera' testimonies of not just victims but also politicians and heads of state security organs.
By their own confession, KNCHR relies on whistle-blowers and anonymous tips on ther hotline. This is why you see they were not even able to establish the names of some of the perpetrators. What surprises me is that they only have ONE or TWO names from Kibera which bore the brunt of the violence from police and AP. The Kilimani OCPD can tell you who were those people sent to his territory to ensure that the ODM million man march does not reach Uhuru Park. He will also tell you how many corpses of police officers he fetched from Kibera after the officers were cornered and killed after they were found raping Nubian women near the DCs office in Kibera. In my own estimation, no less than 300 people died in Kibera at the hands of police officers sent from outside the jurisdiction of the Kilimani police division.
In other words Chris, WAKI's report is much much deeper andmore revealing than this.
Finally Taabu has heard the kenyans wish of discussing the Waki report and the knee jerk reaction of the prime suspects; Ruto (who for obvious reasons taabu cant write his name, rotten head ntimama, molasses who flagged of the hatred, balala of the 'lesotho' country and the other busload of tribal financers sharing the bed in orange house).
ReplyDeleteof course STRESSED taabu had to throw in state house to DILUTE the evils in molasses house.
like i said before, ODM will break into smitherings the moment Hague express leaves the docks with all the murderous and their clonies. a house built on innocent blood will burn down in broad daylight.
thats the day taabu, kalamali, phil, ivy and the other ODM (read molasses) mini me-lets will run berserk, jobless and with their sorry asses aching from the man hours of fighting for the condemned.
the clock is ticking loosers....
chris
ReplyDeletei believe there may be some discrepancies between this list and the waki list
the knchr list/inquiry was conducted soon after the PEV while Waki inquiry was several months after the peace accord was implemented
one of frustrations reported in the Waki commission is that they were unable to reach some witnesses due to IDP relocation and therefore it is very likely that there will be different angles to those testimonies. but i think that waki was also able to reach other witnesses and therefore any disparities in the evidence could be amalgamated to zero in on most of the suspects. no doubt some innocent people will be caught up in this but nevertheless the waki and knchr reports even if not perfect should provide foundation for deeper and if it were possible impartial investigations.
unfortunately the police force being part of the adversely mentioned immediately provides a major obstacle and i hope there is a way round that one. lets see how this unfolds
Chris:
ReplyDeleteYour list is fake, manufactured in the alleys of River Road by KNCHR. It doesn't contain the name of Taabu. Taabu must say where he was in January when some houses belonging to Moi Univ lecturers were burnt down? And how much money did he contribute toward the commission of that heinous crime? Kenya will never heal until this archetypal tribalist is made to answer these questions under oath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivy,
ReplyDeleteYou have been asking for evidence since january and talking of the courts.Waki has heard you and given the evidence and taken it to The Hague.Why are you afraid to confront it?????
Cut the crap about casting the first stone.I will cast it!!!I did not kill anyone,i did not send any hate sms.And yes i am angry.Reading the report made me realize what crimes against humanity were committed.
Have you read the report????Or are you just been a Kenyan,commenting on things without information?I read it and i don't support this AMNESTY and FORGIVENESS crap.If the government will collapse so be it but this murderers have to be dealt with.
IMPUNITY must be dealt with and if it means all this murderers masquerading as leaders been jailed or hanged so be it.
This was the human rights report list.As i have also seen the Waki list the difference is minor so Phil stop splitting hairs and tell us what you think.
Are you on the side of MURDERERS or on the side of KENYANS?There is no middle ground!
Since you are Raila's apologist telling him to also decide.The double speak is a disappointment.Vikii,since you are Kalonzo's apologist also tell him to pick aside,KENYANS or MURDERERS.Anyone who is Kibaki's apologist tell him the same thing!
As for Ivy,guess you and Gumo have chosen to be on the MURDERERS side.
That is the bottomline.So everyone please cut the crap about kikuyu,luo,kalejin,PNU,ODM.This is about MURDERERS and KENYANS.
Pick a side!
If Uhuru and Co. were involved in planning and financing the violence, then the Hague Express it is!!! These idiots have to be tried in the Hague, that will send a strong message to all politicians that the era ( or is it error?) of impunity has come to a screeching halt!
ReplyDeleteIvy, glad to know you weren't involved. Are these allegations against Taabu true??
Edward
ReplyDeleteRelax
So Chris has chosen to link the two threads. No problem with that.
ReplyDeleteWhat I have a problem with is the missing name of one dangerous man who spent a LOT of time running around inciting (flagging off the hatred as one apt observer put it) people before and further fuelling the hatred once violence erupted. There is good evidence of this.
By deliberately omitting Raila Agwambo Odinga's (an active participant in the hate)name, all these commissions have committed a GRAVE injustice to those who lost their lives during the anarchy and importantly, have cast a shadow on their objectivity and credibility. WE WILL NOT LET GO OF THIS OMISSION. Take that to whichever bank you wish!
I am reliably informed that the Waki list only has a few more names than what you see here. The bulk of what is on that list is here.
ReplyDeletePhil, most of those names u mention like Uhuru Kenyatta r here.
-Kumekucha-
Chris - Thanks and a great job. Am saddened though by the fact that an OCS looted! a chief killed - our law and safety custodians. Hate iko mashinani kweli.
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IVY - I will also cast the first stone.
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On Kones, Laboso and Kimutai - Is someone communicating to us through them. Can you kill...
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Impunity is impunity. Let everyone defend himself. An action today would ensure never again again in our lifetimes would we ever read such a list. Wote, hata ikiwa nin nani am nani - let them board the Hague express. Killing an innocent soul even for revenge is wrong.
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Any opportunity in all this - Yes, the leadrship is Kenya is in for transformation sooner than later.
Otherwise, Mungu saidia wakenya sana na milele yote wapendane
Mzee wa Kijiji
What about that alleged oath-taking in Kamagut, Uasin Gishu in Eldoret.
ReplyDeleteAlso MUMIAT OATHING ON 07/08/07 IN KERICHO AT KENUGUT PRIMARY: 25 oxen and 25 dogs were slaughtered for the oath. The oath was for binding Kalenjins together for the purpose of filling young Kalenjin youths with hate against Kikuyus and Kisiis.
nice try KNHCR but your list amounts to SHADOW BOXING
ReplyDeleteIf this is what Waki's list is like then lets not waste any more time chasing DUST in the WIND
You start off rather conveniently by listing DEAD people for blame whereas that pole position deserves to go to no other than the HEAD Perpetrator(s) who light the fire that torched the house
If planning meetings were indeed held in StateHouse that residence and its current occupant should be Suspect#1 leading from in-front and by example.....
Chris do people hold meetings in your house without your consent?
Waki&KNHCR forget about listing small fish who were paid 500 to run around town naked-go straight for the JUGGULAR and cut your list to maximum 10 Key people without whom none of this would have taken place.
Just 10 people-we don't need to know about OCSs and sons of law firm employees who were only following orders from above
This list(and by extension Waki's) is a total disappointment for choosing to wallow in the miasma of myopic small fry
Blogger Chris said...
ReplyDeleteI am reliably informed that the Waki list only has a few more names than what you see here. The bulk of what is on that list is here.
Phil, most of those names u mention like Uhuru Kenyatta r here.
-Kumekucha-
Thank you Chris, I must have missed UK's name the first time.
There is saying that goes: DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES (or was it a James Hardley Chase novel or a James Bond movie?)
But how about the names of Maina Kamanda, David Murage, Stanley Livondo, etc.
Again, you notice major flash points like Langata in Nairobi and Kisumu have featured very little on this list, mostly because it was security agents involved!
I have an unverified list of the TOP TEN POLITICIANS & BUSINESSMEN in the secret envelope and I can confirm that it has similarities with this list.
Just like I told some doubters here a few days ago; the REAL reason Raila said it was a challenge to implement this report is because it is directly touching on the first family. It is also touching on some demigod known as the Kenyatta family. As he said in his Kenyatta day address, the truth is now known and it is upon the government to implement it. No wonder the word AMNESTY has suddenly found its way into the PNU dictionary and the duly erected's vocabulary. OMG!
Since we know that the NARA accord was agreed upon, signed, passed by parliament and signed into law by president within minutes; similarly, the international tribunal recommended by Justice Waki does not have to wait for the sixty days. The ball is squarely in state house where the whole thing was first mooted and organised.
Let us get on with this thing and let these criminals carry their own crosses.
Kitenda wili? TEGA.Kitendawili? TEGA. Mtoto akililia wembe???
phil, most killers killed in the name of RAO. what have you got to say about that?
ReplyDeletee-copper:
ReplyDeleteSeeing that you're discontented with the commissions, name *your* 10 names and cite your reasons. I hope you are not afraid.
I think there is need for some kind of ranking/categorization of the ills committed and their relative gravity. Waki's report did indicate that pre-election incitement was a critical factor in the occurrence AND intensity of the post election violence.
Incitement therefore should rank quite highly among the list of ills, just as highly as those that planned and financed the violence. For without incitement, no amount of planning and finances would have led to the violence. After all the pangas, arrows, petroleum (i.e. inanimate objects) cannot on their own volition cause the murder, arson and so on that we witnessed.
NO inciter should escape unpunished. Youtube and other evidence of this is widely available.
b-carotene,
ReplyDeleteBlogger Phil said "I have an unverified list of the TOP TEN POLITICIANS & BUSINESSMEN in the secret envelope and I can confirm that it has similarities with this list."
Now that is what i am talking about!
no need for me to name "my" names
e-cop--ok then--wise to wait for the unverified list.
ReplyDeleteSi kwa Ubaya
ReplyDeleteBut i hope this is not hearsay. What people wanted their itch ears to hear.
I hope when people will be called they will give hard core evidence that will be beyond any shadow of a doubt.
E-cop said
ReplyDelete"nice try KNHCR but your list amounts to SHADOW BOXING
If this is what Waki's list is like then lets not waste any more time chasing DUST in the WIND"
I agree
Ok,
ReplyDeleteSo we start connecting the dots...
Lorna Laboso, Kimutai Too, Kipkalya Kones... All dead?
Is this a coincidence or did someone off them?
Where does Were fit in all this? Phil, any info?
All said, i hope the evidence against all these people is more structured than the KNHR allegations.
Ivy,
ReplyDeleteWhat has happened again! Could your name be in the safety of Annan? You are just adding cold water on these names? Why do you think we shall all end up being in the list - This is close and personal. What do you know that we dont know? Tell us.
Otherwise its unlike you today.
Mzee wa Kijiji
b-carotene,
ReplyDeletemy point is everyone in Kenya today knows whose names SHOULD be on these lists and that is what they are looking for
You yourself know that stolen elections and Post Election Violence boils down to no more than 10 individuals VERIFIED
We don't want the name of every Tom Dick and Harry who has ever run naked in town because someone gave them 500/=
sometimes i run naked in town myself but i am not responsible for almost tearing our country to shreds-do we really need lists that take us on wild goose chases?are we saying we don't know who is responsible for past, present and future problems Kenya ?
side note: -hallo ivy daughter of samia
"The evidence the Commission has gathered so far is not, in our
ReplyDeleteassessment, sufficient to meet the threshold of proof required for criminal
matters in this country: that it be “beyond reasonable doubt”. It may even fall
short of the proof required for international crimes against humanity. We
believe, however, that the Commission’s evidence forms a firm basis for further
investigations of alleged perpetrators, especially concerning those who bore the
greatest responsibility for the post election violence."
Any legal mind out there who has read the report, can the evidence suggested, even in the KNHCR report reach the threshold required of proof required for crimes against humanity?
Methinks these murderers would want to have the International tribunal here, so as to intimidate the special prosecutor as well as possible witnesses.
Mzee wa Kijiji
ReplyDeleteI couldn't put it better than Joe said "All said, i hope the evidence against all these people is more structured than the KNHRC allegations."
With all respect, that is what i am fearing allegations. Have you ever heard evidence then when someone is asked to substantiate they say "Hata mimi niliambiwa" I hope you understand my point. After the post election violence there were so many theories of what transpired, dont you think that some people went and floated in their ideas and just what they might have a notion happened.
We might end up destroying this country with hearsay here and there just because we heard it somewhere. Coz trust me the waki report there are somethings i have read and believe me there are things i used to hear them in a mat, salon, restaurants and even among friends and colleagues.
Relax like i said...Even Waki commission is formed a million times. Ivy's name will not be anywhere near there unless they are writting down names of spectators who might be just around the corner.
I guess the two principles should not be left out of this as all actions were carried out in their names.
ReplyDeleteThe worst offcourse being a much talked about and documented meeting at State House itself!!!
Me thinks we should have a tribunal similar to the Rwanda one to try these people. We can have it hosted in say... Rwanda or TZ.
ReplyDeletee-copper: I dont dispute what you say i just think it could be better thought out.
ReplyDeleteEven though 10 names of ringleaders (verified or not) are named, that does not blot out crimes by others, which must be addressed as well. Killing, raping, maiming my neighbor and burning his/her house is a major infraction on all fronts.
It matters little to me whether the names of dead perpetrators come first or last. What counts is they (and all others) are in. The bigger task, which the Waki commission may have done part of already (hence the names in envelopes), is to sort out the alleged crimes and to weight them according to specified criteria.....transparently too...awaiting prosecution by whatever authority.
Meanwhile, this might drive many of you to varying levels of excitment:
Obama and Odinga campaign in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0
There's plenty more where that came from.
Maybe a starting point Can we be told who ordered the deployment of APs to Nyanza and other zones and why? Coz definately it wasn't a peace keeping mission.
ReplyDeleteEvidence to me is minutes of the meeting that was discussed in statehouse showing what was discussed and who was in attendance (verbatim) and before we go further let us know who allowed the meeting to be held there in the 1st place (coz i mean statehouse is not an NCBDA toilet that you pay and you are allowed access)
If Ruto, Kones, Bett, Laboso and etc said what has been alledged then can someone substantiate that?
And like i said these stuff i have heard them in whispers on the streets from whom? Nairobians just as in KK who i believe were not anywhere near those places.
Let us separate facts from fiction.
E-Cop
I am on cloud 9...On top of the world
Is it not curious the Kalenjin leaders are now so furious with Raila that they want a meeting with Kibaki after Raila called for the "full implementation" of the report? The following is excerpted from the ODM Newspaper, the EA Standard:
ReplyDelete"....outraged ODM MPs from Rift Valley criticised Raila’s stand, saying it appeared the PM and Deputy PM Mudavadi — who has also spoken strongly on the report’s full implementation — were settling scores with "likely political competitors".
"We know what is going on and those shouting loudest for the implementation of the report think their competitors have been incriminated," said Eldama Ravine MP Moses Lessonet.
He said Kenyans fought because of the presidency, which Raila was contesting last year, and "it was wrong for him to sacrifice his foot soldiers after attaining a portion of power".
"It is sad that Raila is spitting at the people who thrust him where he is now," he said.
"All the claims bandied around are meant to discredit leaders from the Rift Valley and we are surprised that Raila is supporting it passionately," said Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto.
Also speaking out as the Rift Valley MPs retreated into a closed-door meeting last night was Rongai MP Luka Kigen, who said it was ironical that Raila and Mudavadi were turning against the people who heeded their calls for mass action the presidential poll results were "stolen".
"The protests were called by the two top ODM leaders and must be held responsible. The comments they are making are irresponsible and we believe they are personal," he said.
Others were Kipkelion’s Dr Magerer Langat, Mr Joshua Kutuny (Cherang’any) and Mr Benjamin Lang’at (Ainamoi).
"We are supporting President Kibaki on his calls for amnesty. We cannot tolerate more attempts to divide a country that is already fragile. On this matter, Raila and Mudavadi are wrong and we support Kibaki, who we will seek audience with," said Kutuny.."
This is very interesting indeed. Looks like the Kalenjins are about to break with Raila for good and jump into bed with Kibaki. Is it possible? Maybe. We shall wait and see.
If it actually happens, then ODM as a party is cooked, and will most likely become a party of Luos, Maragolis, Marachis, Manyalas and Wanyores. This will immediately manifest itself in parliament where Raila's position as PM could be in danger. Ruto could strike a deal with Kibaki to support him in parliament without Raila's say so in exchange for doing away with the Waki report, and possibly the collapse of the GNU with Raila walking out. Very possible as we have seen it all before. Also, don't be surprised if Moi comes out to say i told you so to the Kalenjins.
What a laugh it would be if the GNU collapsed! We said it here before that tribal alliances for short term goals will get you nowhere.
And can we be told who ordered the killing of those APs? The reason they were deployed has been stated, unless you can prove they werent deployed on the peace-keeping mission.
ReplyDeleteWho ordered the killing of the APs is also quite intriguing. Might it be the one dangerous man (yes, THAAT one)who said that he has details of the registration numbers of the vehicles, the time they left nairobi and so on.
The minutes of the so-called statehouse meeting would make for fascinating reading as well.
Here's some reading that really annoys, but its out there too:
Proof Obama backed RUTHLESS, foreign THUG: Set up direct Senate contact for Kenyan opposition leader
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2103113/posts
I dont know whether Kalenjins breaking up with the Bumpkin is a good or bad thing. I dont even care about that; doesnt tickle me either.
ReplyDeleteWhat I do know, and as I mentioned in an earlier post, is that they Kalenjins (unlike others further to the west)are worth talking with CLOSELY for very obvious reasons. It is a most pragmatic interest.
edward 1.07, did you ask me to pick a side? Well, I am sure you know where I stand. I have never had time for murderers regardless of who they are.
ReplyDeleteI am not an apologist for Hon Kalonzo, but if you truly want to know on which side he is , well I will tell you. He has no connecion whatsoever with a belief system that advocates for killing of those who do not support your political cause. He is definitely on the side of those on whom violence was unleashed (by lunatics on the payroll of some people you guys like to call leaders).
Now do I believe he should stand up and be counted? Oh yeah. I wish he could summon the courage to not just wholly emrace the calls for the implementation of the Waki recommendations, but also to look both President Kibaki and Raila Odinga in the eye and tell them the truth; 'You are both murderers and you know it.'
Kimi,
ReplyDeleteYou have brought out a very interesting theory, that for all intents and purposes, will probably come to fruition. However, this action with further entrench impunity in Kenya. What is to stop me, or you, or any other Kenyan with political ambition to use violence as a means to get into Government??
God help us all!!
Vikii:
ReplyDeleteIt beats me how anyone can call Kibaki a murderer :(. I'm really quite puzzled. Kindly offer a more nuanced explanation of why Kalonzo Musyoka to look him in the eye and call him a murderer. With the Bumpkin that fine.
There is no evidence of Kibaki running around inciting individuals and groups to kill the adui as did his partner, the Bumpkin. I am quite puzzled.
And who/what is the government, anyway, what was its capacity? Lest you walk down that path?
"70 year old Mzee Joseph Mwangi Macharia (Karobe) watched as seven members of his
ReplyDeletefamily were hacked to death – his wife, three sons (aged 36, 33 and 23), one daughter
(aged 25), a grandson (aged 6) and a granddaughter (aged 6). He narrated his ordeal as
follows:
On 31st December, 2007 at about 5 p.m., he had a family get-together in his house at
Chagaiya village in Kesses location, when a group of about forty young people, among
them his neighbours, struck. They said they wanted five heads from that house – his
and his four sons’.
As he pleaded for mercy one of them struck his son on the chest with a club and
another shot him with an arrow as he tried to escape. Another son was pierced with a
spear and his throat was cut. The rest of the family tried to hide inside the house but it
was broken down and they were pulled out. His daughter and her child were pulled out
and their throats were slit. So was his wife’s throat. That is when Mzee Macharia
escaped into a nearby bush and watched as his house was set on fire. He stayed in the
bush until the following morning.
In the morning he went to a nearby AP camp where he collapsed and became
unconscious. Three days later he was assisted by the APs and neighbours to dig a
shallow grave where he buried his family before moving to an IDP camp in Limuru.
They were only exhumed on 28th April, 2008 and given a decent burial.
Mzee Macharia knew at least 14 of the assailants and recognized them during the
attack."
These idiots have to pay!! Warr???? The Hague to all of them!!
This post has failed to produce any kind of fireworks. There is nothing new on that KNHCR report people don't know about.
ReplyDeleteKimi,
For the very first time, I support Raila. If Kibaki decide to go with amnesty calls, then I will campaign hard for Mr. Odinga. I don't care who Raila is, but if he is calling for full implementation of Waki's report and prosecution of perpertors of post election violence, then he got my support. Those wobbly RV MPs are behaving like a cat on a hot tin-roof and rightly so, there is no more Arap Moi for indemnification, only time will tell how long they will continue to escape justice.
We should not encourage human rights violations in the name of forging tribal alliance!
For goodness sake, we are living in 21st century, why do we feel the need of tribal allegiances?!
b-carotene,
ReplyDeleteHere's some reading that really annoys, but its out there too
You fall for this?
Folks,
ReplyDeleteFact: There were killings in 1992, 1997 and 2007.
Fact: There were no killings in 2002
Fact: There is a report about the 1992 and 1997 killings, the so called Kiliku report.
Fact: Those implicated in the Kiliku report were never prosecuted.
The RV MPs were acting in the premise that the government will appoint a commission whose report would never see the light of day, just like the Kiliku one. This is what impunity breeds.
Like i said earlier, me thinks we should have a tribunal similar to the Rwanda one to try these people. We can have it hosted in say... Rwanda or TZ
If we do not implement Waki's report, i am afraid the future will be bleak for this country.
Ngunyi Ngunjiri,
ReplyDeleteThis is a depressing reading. Where did you get the stuff from.
I have been telling people here that ODM was a mass movement that picked up all kinds of membership last year and indeed some unwelcome characters found its way into the party.
ReplyDeleteHopefully, the forthcoming grassroot elections will act like a sieve and allow those of us who stand for truth and justice to continue the journey.
Now that the Kwales of this world can see what we have been preaching here since time immemorial, please take time and project how the Kriegler and the Waki reports will become useful to this country.
The reports and their aftermath have educated the Kenyan voter. Listen to any FM radio call-in program and you will deduce anger, frustration and foul mood from the majority of Kenyans.
Kalenjins invited themselves to ODM simply because they wanted a short-cut of getting back at Kibaki and Moi. As I am talking to you now, majority of Kenya's middle and lower class have appreciated Raila Odinga's statemanship and would be willing to cast their votes for him at any time. This is a man who is above ethnicity.
If you do not believe me; just wait and see how REAL POLITIK is played. Watch Raila's steps very closely from now on. Something big is cooking, even as Kofi Annan watches from Geneva - incidentally just a short distance from the Hague.
Anon @ 5.48
ReplyDeleteThe material is from the Waki Report
Phil,
ReplyDeleteSpare us the 'grandioso' of RAO. The killings were done in his name, with his blessing. That was his means of getting to power. Period. The only reason he supports the full implementation of the Waki Report is because most, if not all, of his political competition will be decimated, not that he wants to do right by the country.
That said, at least he did not actively engage in war mongering, however, blood remains on his hands via his footsoldiers who will panda the Hague express!!!
On the larger scale of things, despite his motivations for the full implementation, I will support him. Heck, even if the devil was championing for these idiots to go to the Hague i would gladly support him!!
Anyone read about the Nicaragua revolution of 1978-79, the revolution that helped to shape up Central America and the continent of America. It was fuelled by violation of human right. The Sandinista guerrillas, a coalition of National Patriotic Front crushed the National Guard and forced the president into exile.
ReplyDeleteThe fascinating part of the Nicaragua revolution was that many of those (government officials) who fled the country seeking asylum in neighboring countries, later turned themselves in to the new authorities after the FSLN took power, on promises of amnesty. They were subsequently tried and many served lengthy jail terms.
This is what Kenyans should do!
From reading this report it seems to me that the kukuyu and the kalengin were at war and any other tribes got caught in it....The kalengins were mara fighting everyone, mara fighting everyone except indians(ironically) mara only kikuyus, mara kikuyua and luyahs.....the kalengins had a land issue that was not properly dealt with over time......funny thing in mo1's 26yrs he did not resovle it....
ReplyDeleteSo I wonder where RAO comes in all this? The kukuyu had their fight over missmanaged land allocation by kenyatta. the other wars in other parts of kenya was just long standing hostilities that errupted because the whole country seemed to be at war...I'm sure some guys used the opportunity to kill rivals in business, or even love affairs....
My ponit is the rather far fetched argument that all this was incited and coordinated by the likes of RAO is bogus propaganda by people who for other dubious reasons did not wish him to ascend to the presidency......
And for the upteenth time Kibs allowed a feeling of tribal superiority to rise among his tribsmen that created a resentment that boiled into a war. Then the kikuyu are now talking of revenge attacks when they provoked everyone......lets begin this analysis at the proper place and not at the point where the evil actions started......You see the idea is to make it look like the violence was an election tool as opposed to being a reaction to the central bullying of the rest of kenya......
Central people would like to begin the story at the election period while we all know that this violence has a history that goes back to colonial kenya.
Sir Alex
Blogger Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...
ReplyDeletePhil,
Spare us the 'grandioso' of RAO. The killings were done in his name, with his blessing. That was his means of getting to power. Period.
Mr. Ngunyi this is a very serious allegation indeed.
As far as I can remember Raila never instructed anyone to go and kill, maim, loot, rape or engage in other acts of felony. But I do remember making serious attempts myself to participate in the ODM mass action rallies in Nairobi. Was that a crime?
Unless you have concrete proof to back-up your assertions, I think it is only fair we do not politicize this post - if only for the memory of our country men who met violent and needless deaths simply because they cast their votes.
It basically does not aurgur well for those who died or those who remained to trivialize this report and those individuals who mastered it. Its either you supply authorities with proof and also publish it here or you quit peddling rumours and innuendos just because you have certain political persuasions.
Phil, what evidence do you need?
ReplyDeleteThey shouted "No Raila No Peace", re-read that phrase and try narrate it!
Phil,
ReplyDeleteThis issue is already politicized, and for anyone who imagines that it is an attack on the 'integrity' or 'statesmanship' of RAO, then meza wembe!!
For all I care, supporting and active clamouring for majimbo, his presence in the now infamous rallies where a RV idiot called for removal of 'madoadoa' and his notable quiet in the midst of all the killings going on make him complicit, EVEN IF IT DOES NOT REACH THE THRESHHOLD OF PROOF!!
Agwambo is the biggest beneficiary of the violence that led to the formation of the GNU. In fact, this is why the Kalenjin are somewhat dissappointed in him. Knowing you, an agent to his cause, you will vehemently deny these allegations, which, for all intents and purposes, is your democratic right.
But please, insulting our intlligence by claiming that he was not even aware nor complicit, is just pure hogwash!!
Worse canbe said about The Baks, but that is not news is it?
May all those who were involved burn in eternal fire!!!
I think i got overwhelmed. No disrespect though.
ReplyDeleteBlogger Kwale said...
ReplyDeletePhil, what evidence do you need?
They shouted "No Raila No Peace", re-read that phrase and try narrate it!
Kwale, how does they 'SAYING' amount to RAO committing a crime against humanity? What did RAO himself DO that can implicate him as a person?
Executing unarmed civilians, including women and children using police guns and bullets amounts to serious crime against humanity. I have no further need to NARRATE.
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Predictably, Mr. Ngunyi, I can see you do not have credibility in your assertions. You are peddling rumours and are full of hatred (or something close).
Look at it like this, RAO as leader of ODM honoured his appointment with CIPEV. Kibaki as leader of PNU, ignored summons and also rejected requates for appointments to meet the commissioners. Does this tell you a story?
Another thing, RAO's only crime was to win elections after majority votes were cast in his favour. It goes therefore then, that the biggest beneficiary of the violence is none other than Kibaki. He lost elections, but he is still president exercising executive powers. ODM was not done a favour, they are in this government by right. As RAO keeps saying, it is not a love affair.
FYI: This is the last response I am according to you on the political topic.
Kwale:
ReplyDeleteWhat are you supporting? The 'mixed' signals?? Comon! Let the man take a stand--instead of speaking with his forked tongue.
Kwale, B-carotene, Ngunyi. What i am pointing out is what will likely take place in current politics, not necessarily what i support. In fact,whether it is good or bad is hard to discern right now as the political situation is very fluid and tension is going to go up a notch very soon. We might even find ourselves in another January scenario. It is the unfinished business of now, as Martin Luther King would say.
ReplyDeleteMy view is that we need to move away from ALL these politicians and forge a new Nation led by principled politicians. However, we all know what a daunting task that is given the suffocating hold tribalism has over everybody above 5 years old. Reprise to my call to look for a Kenyan Obama right here on KK, the idea was given short shrift in quick order, all because we live and breath tribalism. Perhaps we should just accept it and not fight it.
So lets sit back, folks, and have a good laugh, we are just mere spectators after all.
What was so peculiar with the 2007 elections that warranted APs to be selectively deployed in some areas? Was there a preconceived idea that we the people of this gr8 country did not know about? What do some people take us for?
ReplyDeleteEnyewe i am outta of here...May i be woken after the dream is over
Ngunyi Ngunjiri
ReplyDeleteWhat changed?
Phil,
ReplyDeleteIn that SAYING "No Raila No Peace" meant they killed in the name of RAILA!
He had the opportunity to appeal for calm and call upon his supporters to stop killings and all manners of evils; instead he distanced himself from the killings in RV saying he got nothing to do with it. Is that how a supposedly "leader" should behave?
B-Carotene, I am supporting human rights and dignity for all.
@Ivy,
ReplyDeleteAm disappointed in you and cynicism.Why are you pouring cold water on these reports?Do you notice the mood in Kumekucha for once is non-tribal and non-party based?Kenyans are fed-up of these murderous masquerading as leaders.So stop your fence-sitting and pick a side.Ooops,you,Gumo,Rift valley MPs,Central MPs have already chosen to defend MURDERERS!
@Vikii,
Glad you are on the side of Kenyans.Yes Kalonzo needs to be man enough and say it as it is.Loudly and clearly.This is no time for sugar-coating it!
@Phil,
I notice you have chosen not to pick a side.You have otherwise chosen to give us ODM propaganda and praise Raila.Frankly we do not care.Its very simple.MURDERERS and KENYANS,pick one and do not pretend to speak for Raila,he has no idea whether he is coming and going,he has proven to be a typical politician on this issue,mara prosecute,mara forgive,mara South african way.
We all agree that this IMPUNITY and MURDEROUS WAYS have to end.So question is how do we get to the international media(kenyan media is too compromised),international bodies both african and worldwide to press for prosecution of these WAR CRIMINALS?How can we use the internet or even Kumekucha(if Chris isman enough) to rally Kenyans behind the TRIAL AND POSSIBLE PROSECUTION of these WAR CRIMINALS?
For the sake of our country and our children and those who were massacred we need to address this MURDERERS once and for all.If it means the goverment collapsing let it be.
We cannot treat CANCER with PANADOL!ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!Everyone should carry their own cross.Hakuna cha sijui my tribe is been prosecuted,we are been finished....anyone who has read the Waki report cannot talk of forgive and forget unless you were one of the MURDERERS!
Not to take away the seriousness of this list but do any of you find the nicknames of some of these fellows interesting? There’s a chap called ‘Brother Jew’.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, what does this list tell us? For one thing, the perpetrators, participators and to some extent financiers are none other than Joe the plumber. These are regular folks, your neighbors and teachers. This confirms that psychological experiment suggesting all of us are capable of inflicting extreme pain to others in the presence of certain conditions. Basically, we can all kill without flinching during war time.
So what I’m I getting at? Well, the violence in Kenya occurred due to the presence of an optimal environment for war. I mean there were constant variables such as hate, availability of weapons, suspicion, illegitimacy, anger, jealousy etc from all quarters. 99.99% of Kenyans were generally pissed off. So war happened.
Simple math suggests that war can only be avoided by diffusing its optimal environment; some of the above variables must be removed. So the question is, what has the coalition government done to diminish the atmosphere of war? Nothing. Even Kivuitu is still there. The hate is intensifying. Militias are on an arms race.
So what exactly will stop the next pre/post election violence?
Sir Alex:
ReplyDeleteBecause wewe ni mu-clever sana....Why is it that the violence is pegged to election years? Why not in-between the election years? Who talked about kabila adui? Who asked his people not to touch the Kissii, their brothers? People have been wide awake for a while now.
Joe:
No I dont buy it--its just a vidid reminder of how Raila maniacs operate--fabricating rumors and lies to further their dubious goals.
Kimi:
Point well taken.
I have no doubt that ODM will shatter into smithereens and self-destruct eventually. There are signs currently. It is my hope that no one establishes an alliance with well-noted murderers looking to escape their just deserts in the Hague. Many are already deeply aggrieved by the hints at amnesty.
Kwale,
ReplyDeletePlease DO NOT confirm our worst fears. I am not sure if you understand how a judicial tribunal or a court of law does its work.
All institutions that have conducted investigations into the violence have not come to the same weird conclusion as you.
You attempting to pass judgment on RAO on the basis of what the demonstrators chanted in the streets, and even that (what they said)is not really admissible as evidence at any legal forum.
Let us debate facts. eg. Who hired militia? Who transported militia? Who hosted militia? Who met and planned raids? Who financed militia? Who bought crude weapons to arm militia? Who commanded police to shoot and kill? Who declared ODM rallies illegal and barricaded Uhuru park?
NOT - Who demonstrated? What did they print on placards? Who called for mass action to protest stolen elections?
Get the drif Kwale?
Phil,
ReplyDeleteI am not peddling hatred. I just want justice. It is unfortunate that, if, for example, I had decided to enjoy a holiday at say Sirikwa Hotel after casting my ballot I would either be dead, maimed or traumatized. It is sad indeed. Therefore, for me, it is personal. I may get carried away from time to time, but reducing me to the category of a hater, no!
Whether you want to accept it or not, they killed in RAO's name, as Kwale correctly pointed out. His loud silence during those chants is a clear pointer. Furthermore, RAO was already shafted when The Baks swore himself in. As at 30th DEC 2007, the instruments of state power were in his hands. Therefore, the only option Agwambo had was an escalation of the violence so as to form a basis for a ceasefire negotiations AKA The peace accord.
In fact, were it not for the killings, and not the demonstrations, business would have been as usual in terms of running Government. Heck, even half the cabinet was appointed! Therefore, your assertion that the beneficiary of this violence was The Baks is just but an attempt to advance ODM propaganda.
It can be alleged, on basis of tribe, that I am in support of The Baks. Actually, I hold him personally responsible for the skirmishes that occured in January, simply because he failed in his primary role as the office holder of the Presidency to unify the country. The Presidency is a symbol of national unity and pride, but during his tenure it became, either as a matter of fact or perception, a cause of strife and disunity.
I agree with Kimi, we should look for a new leadership as this one has failed us and will continue to in future.
The Hague awaits for all those idiots who planned this!!!
Edward
ReplyDeleteI dont remember pouring water anywhere and i also dont want to pour fuel. I have no evidence whatever i am dealing with at the moment is hearsay.....I just dont fuata upepo. I dont remember me writing anything in my comments that you hang or dont hang. So you can't put me in the same bus with Gumo, Kibaki nor Raila Ama?
kalamari your right n the money......if we honestly look into what created the conditions for war then we can at least keep it off....but apportioning blame to people just because we hate them will only lead to more senseless wars.
ReplyDeletekenya was ready to go to war many yrs ago owing to the oppresion of the people by the subsequesnt governments and the likes of RAO thought that mare reason will get people to do that right thing but other clowns joined in and did their thing......
The other question is what was the alternative? I'm cock sure RV would have happily gone to bed with central under the right terms...and sit on the rest of kenya.....its is reasonable to argue that in kenya there is a strong feeling that a few tribes can gang together and oppress the others....
it is not just a central thing.....we need to get to the bottom of this and find out why that feeling prevails and sort it out once and for all otherise we are jut playing a rather dangerous version of musical chairs....
That is the reason that some of us support majimbo so that no community can blame the others for its woes......and every community can negotiate its relationship with others in civilised way...
Sir Alex
Chris
ReplyDeleteSorry guy:)
Maina Kiai's was discredited by the Waki Group and that is why it was not published... Most of it was hear say..and names added to it curtsy of Martha Karua and group!!
Facts: Maina Kiai and team were given death threats by Mungiki and some government personalities to change the list and add names for some ODM Members of Parliament and that was why the list was discredited to say the least their list did not mention"Kibaki" anyway for giving the shoot to kill order...
Chris I'm shocked and surprised that you would use Maina Kiai list here to cause Havoc when the list is full of holes and untrue...
Get your facts right before you peddle lies that your thugs in PNU have passed on to you...
My understanding Martha Karua released the Maina Kiai report to some people to Publish it since her name is not on it..
MARTHA KARUA FACTS ARE (in Waki report ) arranged for the meetings with the Mungiki at Statehouse!! and those are some of the facts in the waki report.. she is part of the group of ten...
That means Chris(Kumekucha) you have been bought and I will proof it when the Waki list is out...
the list has 10 names of Members of Parliament plus Business and elite people that adds up to more than 20 names....
Chris I'm very disappointed in you and Kumekucha....
What exactly or how much were you paid to post falsehood on kumekucha?? were you that broke?? or many hungry...
I WILL PROOF YOU WRONG WHEN WAKI REPORTED NAMES ARE OUT and that will proof to all bloggers on this site that you are a bought kenyan... I hope then people will be very careful of what you post here....
Chris you are an embarrassment to Kenyans.... Maina Kiai we all know sold out to the kibaki PNU party before he left office...
Ask some of his team... what names he added to his list.. many are talking freely and that is why the Waki team rubbished his report.
Chris
ReplyDeleteThe Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)
Had 3 different documents on the clashes- the first list Maina Kiai refused to publish but produced it for the US and British governments when he traveled abroad and that is why Visa's were denied for some MP's and we know who...
second document was watered down and removed some government(PNU) Bigwig names(facts)
Third Document - now this gets very interesting names were added from ODM party and that is why KNCHR document was not published or passed on to the Kenyans..
My friend was in USA with Maina Kiai and Njoko -the list Chris you have published here is not the same Maina Kiai carried with him abroad!!I wonder why??
and I would be very interested to know where you got this document and list of names from -my friend says this was the 3rd document form The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)which was doctored by PNU and NARC-K.
I'm in agreement with anon8:06 AM
Chris can you tell us where you found this false document and why before checking facts you posted it on your blog?? I think as a kenyans citizen who would like the truth to be told regarding what happened and people involved, you should check your information from your informants.
I advise you to ask them for the first document that was compiled by (KNCHR)the same one Maina Kiai handed out when he was abroad during the clashes to redeem yourself Chris or your blog will definitely loose respect, peddling lies or in accurate information is not the right way to run your blog. I rest my case
b-carotene @7:49
ReplyDeleteThe unfortunate reason as to why violence seems to crop up only during the election period is partly because thats the only time the electorate appears to engage with the politicains in any menaningfull way......Thats the only time they seem to listen to the greivances of the people....
kenyan politicians being who they are will make all sorts of rediculous promises its so happens that thanks to kibaki allowing a central 'natioanlism' to grow then the in thing became 'who shall stand for us' meaning the respective tibes......all needed a 'kibaki' to lead them to their promised land...so in short the politicains where just being 'fashioanble' the fashion having been set by central....that sir is how it works.RAO was right in calling central kabila adui but that is no death sentence cetral withought necesarily saying it frm a pulic platform acted like the rest of kenyans where adui or worse.......
Had kibaki effectively killed tribalism the politicains would have had to look for something esle to champion maybe promise kenyans US citizenship...but Alas kibs created a fertil environment for tribal jingoism.....it was his card to play and he goofed......
pls do not forget that all tribes original voted for kibs it was him who failed the people.....and that was election time too nobody went killing the kikuyu in 2002. Ask yourselves why.
I think that central people are having a hard time admitting that after kenyans from all walks of live unanimuously gave one of yours sons the leadersgip mantle you went a head and tried to make fools of us all.....thats the long and short of it.....the rest is freedom of speach...
Sir Alex
Chris,
ReplyDeleteI think there is agreement that the KNHR list reflects what is on Waki's list. I also notice that no one has come to the defence of anyone listed here. Again, Chris, that we now know the truth, is it not time for justice?
Before we go to the Hague i propose some basics.
1. The cabinet as it sits is a fraud. Kibaki should dissolve the cabinet immediately and constitute a new one with people not mentioned. We need a fresh set of untainted cabinet ministers.
2. All those mentioned in any report on PEV should resign as minister, mp or civil servant, etc. If they fail to do so they should be forced to leave and banned from occupying public office.
3.Meanwhile the AG should immediately open criminal cases against these guys. The bench should be composed of judges appointed by the AU and given a time limit within which to dispose all cases, using a mixture of kenyan and international law. As Waki has indicated, he is not at ease with the Kenyan justice system.
As some commentators have rightly pointed out, amnesty or TRC is NOT the way to go as we will just be burying our heads. We have this unique opportunity to finally solve the problem of impunity.
anon8:34 AM
ReplyDeleteJeff??
Which list??? there were 3 list made by
The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)so which is the accurate one?? Like bloggers have mentioned here- we need to see the list Maina Kiai took abroad with him!!it is not this one, we are told let Chris post that list here- let us not peddle untruths here and nobody i have chatted with at KNCHR refutes that they say there were three list.
Chris
ReplyDeleteGo ask Maina Kiai former chairman of
The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)to give you the main list. the one he used to deny Members of parliament Visa's for causing clashes that is the list and document Kenyans would like to see.
Phil,
ReplyDeleteI don't get the drift!
Because the truth of the matter is, Raila could have stopped the killings; instead he played them down comparing them with football matches rivalry. (I have a video of him being interviewed by about the violence) If he is the leader you claim he to be, he could have appealed to his supporters to stop the bloodshed!
Note: I did not lose anyone in that violence and I do not intend to live in Kenya at anytime in my life not even in my old age pension, but I feel obliged to campaign against killing of innocent people in the name of politicians.
RAILA IS NOT A MESSIAH!!! Get the drift?
I have now CONFIRMED your worst held fears!
1. The cabinet as it sits is a fraud. Kibaki should dissolve the cabinet immediately and constitute a new one with people not mentioned. We need a fresh set of untainted cabinet ministers.
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Kibaki sets a cabinet as who? He is tainted for crying out loud. Even if for nothing he encouraged violence by letting people use the state's boardroom, or was it sitting room it even could have been the bedroom and when the idea was coined i bet he said yes let us deal with these kubafu's mavi ya kuku, UK is not going down alone. We can bet on that
jeff
ReplyDeletewhat we needed is a genaral election withought the guys involved...kibaki is part of the problem he did nothing when central tribal superiority grew like a monster...infact his negligence is the genesis of this whole mess...
Sir Alex
Sir Alex,
ReplyDeleteBut that’s our predicament. How do we not apportion blame when such a list exists? If you agree with me and being as politically vocal as you are, chances are that if you lived in Mathare North or Kibera during the height of the violence, it is very likely that your very own name would be on the list. Even Cardinal Njue blessed some ‘warriors’. It is not very difficult to feature on such a list. Just ask ‘Mzee Pilot’. He owns a bar in Huruma.
Now in a country where there’s no justice, how does the list reconcile us? What it surely does is provide us with a death list. So let’s say we kill everybody on that list, will we be appeased? The answer is NO. For one, the argument of whether that list is complete or not will never end. I for one think Martha Karua should be listed in capital letters. I’m sure you want to see Raila there and Vikii will do his best to ensure Kalonzo is never mentioned. Point is, the list will take a life of its own. It will never be completed and will never satisfy our thirst for justice.
And even if we actually complete the list to everyone’s satisfaction, then comes determining which crime is lesser than the other. Making tea for thirty warriors cannot be compared to buying petrol that burns hundreds in a church…..but they are both financing the violence.
So yes, we want to frog march these chaps, including ‘Brother Jew’, to The Hague. I for one will see heaven when Kibaki is in the docks. But then what? Will Mungiki voluntarily disband? Will the Kalenjin warriors desist from oathing? Even reading the discourse here shows that Kenyans with access to computers are still drunk with partisan violence. What of the villagers?
This reconciliation business is not really working.
....and another thing, can we stop arguing about the different versions of lists. Even list in the famous envelope handed to Kofi is not complete if it does not include……
ReplyDeleteThat’s how they do it. First they give us an election; we fight, we tire, we relax. Then they give us a list; we fight, we tire, we relax. Then they give us a revised constitution; we fight, we tire, we relax.
Then when nobody is looking, they give us an election again.
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ReplyDeleteNO RAILA NO (RUTO) TO HAGUE
ReplyDeleteIn the battle for ODM supremacy, both Ruto and Gumo initially supported Kalonzo against Raila saying that Raila was un-acceptable by majority of Kenyans. Then suddenly Ruto changed and sided with Raila. Why?
While Kalonzo was willing to support Ruto's political agenda in the RV, he was unwilling to accept Ruto's idea of ethnic cleansing of Kikuyus out of RV. Aware that Akambas have settled in large numbers in Kajiando and Coast, Kalonzo was adamant that everybody should have the right to own land anywhere in the country regardless of tribe.
Unlike Kalonzo, Raila (whose tribesmen don't buy land outside their Luoland) was willing and eager to side with Ruto on the Kikuyu issue of owning land in RV. And Ruto was happy to switch his support from Kalonzo and lend his support and that of RV to Raila in his delusional quest for the presidency.
That is why Raila enthusiastically and ably went about selling his majimbo in RV. By that time, the Kalenjins already new that Majimbo was a code word for Kikuyu (and Kisii) ethnic cleansing. Long before the "sangari" and "madoadoa" were used to label Kikuyus in the RV, Raila had already sang his "kabila adui yetu" song across the breadth and length of RV to wildly cheering mammoth crowds.
It was a matter of time before the blood of the madoadoa, sangari and kabira adui yetu was shed. And when the elections were bungled, the opportunity the bloodthirsty barbarians were looking for availed itself.
So if the Hague Express has a seat reserved for Ruto, where is the one for Raila, the captain and patron of ethnic cleansing?
kalamari
ReplyDeleteIn retrospect it is fair to say that in 2002 kenyans showed a high degree of maturity in electing kibs. It is also fair to say that tribal animosities and such have always existed in kenya, what was new was that a sitting president appeared to allow one tribe to 'sit' on the rest of kenya.
So it shuold be fair to say that one man kibaki Emelio should shoulder the blame. He was president with all the unhealthy powers that the the president of the repulic of kenya enjoys and he let things get to where they did....he is the main cuplrit.
He should be the first to hang then we can have a general amnesty for all.
He can argue that he was not in control as he was sick....and such but kenyans will realise that electing the wrong person can be very costly......M01 for all his stupity did not turn this into a tribal couldron that kibs did.....
I would like to argue that we got where we did not because we are tribal, we have always been that, not because we hate kukuyus, kenyans have actually admired them, not for RAO, that guy has been disliked by many people including many luos,....the list is long.... we deteriorated to a banana republice because of one Emelio kibaki's lack of direction, squandering public faith and abuse of government machinery by his cronies.
Sir Alex
Waki Report is so flawed!! who is to be held responsible for the Slaughter in Mt. Elgon??? Kwani this waki people think Mt. Elgon slaughters were not important and this were done by the Army and the Police force.... wacha being selective...
ReplyDeleteRift Valley should demand Saitoti's and Kibaki's head on a gold platter
They ordered the slaughter of thousands of youths in Mt. Elgon
WHERE IS THAT REPORT?? WHO KILLED MY NEPHEW AND CUT OFF HIS TONGUE?????( he was only 16 years old)
Many of us most likely do not understand the idea of Sir Alex that unless we get to the bottom of what afflicts us Kenyans most of our political problems will continue to take new dimensions.
ReplyDeleteWhy I am saying this? I don't understand how many people would want us to believe that the word "adui wetu" was the beginning our tribulations. Historical accounts would confirm that there is no community that have shown disdain against the Luos as the Kikuyus. Luos have always lived peacefully with other communities and even the evidence from the last post-election violence confirms this fact. I know the only thing they are known for is being overtly proud, which is not a crime purnishable under Kenya law. But if we start digging in the past we would find that Kikuyu's have said or insinuated things against Luos that would create a serious conflict (I know this from experience). On the contrary Luos have always extended brotherly hand, which sadly has mostly been burned.
What happened in the RV was purely an affair between the Kikuyu and the Kalenjins which had nothing to do with RAO because it has happened before last year's election. Sadly this time it was aggravated by the fertile negative political environment fomented by none other than Mwai Kibaki. Had the President managed the country with a fair hand we won't have gone through a similar experience as we saw after last year's election. Most of us here have to understand that Kenyans have gone through similar treatments every other election to an extent that they became more disenchanted and thus the ugly outcome early this year.
I would like to conclude by saying that we need to go back into history to understand the root cause of our problems because they were not caused by RAO even though he may have added more fuel to the already raging fire during the campaigns. Just as someone said here, the Hague will not completely solve our problems or even electing a new brand of leader will either because some of these negativity have already been engraved in to the hearts of five year old kids. It will take generations to change that unless we start right now.
As Kenyans we are the problem and therefore unless we change our attitudes individually and as communities our problems will never end.
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ReplyDeleteKibaki belongs to Hague..
ReplyDeleteMutaua has never said anything worthwile,including the following
Govt. faults Waki Report
Written By:Collins Anampiu , Posted: Thu, Oct 23, 2008
Caption: Govt. Spokesman Alfred Mutua says the Waki report is misleading.
Government spokesman Dr. Alfred Mutua has faulted the Waki report, over what he has termed as blatant efforts to implicate President Mwai Kibaki in planning revenge attacks during the post election skirmishes.
Citing various pages in the report Mutua said the indication that power has been personalized around the president and increased by changes in constitution to suit the president are misleading.
Mutua introduced yet another twist to the debate citing sections of the report that allude to the president's involvement in planning revenge attacks in Naivasha during the post elections skirmishes.
In the report on page 121 concerning Naivasha revenge attack the report says:
"The commission has also evidence that Government and political leaders in Nairobi including key office holders at the highest level of Government may have directly participated in preparation of the attacks. Central to that planning were two meetings held in State House and Nairobi Safari Club in the run up to the election with involvement of senior members of Government and other Prominent Kikuyu personality." Mutua said
" Also note the report also says, key office holders at the highest level of Government may have directly participated in the preparation of the attack. The report uses the word may to show they are not sure that this actually really occurred. This is in contrast to the rest of the report which is conclusive in its allegations."
But Mutua said contrary to the report
The Government wishes to make the following clear:-
" 1. How can a meeting have been held in state house before the general election, say in September, October, etc, have planned for revenge attacks that had not yet occurred and which were to occur in January 2008. These allegations are not only logically untenable but ridiculous at best.
2. The President has never at any time held meetings with any person, to plan violence, at State house or anywhere else in the world. This wild allegation is being repeated so as to paint a perception that the President and State House were involved in post election violence.
3. Media editors and commentators should, in lieu of this, paint the right picture and stop riding on an agenda of casting aspersions at State House and in relation to the Presidency, based on flawed arguments.
4. We see this trend of assigning blame to President Kibaki, also on page 30 of the report, which says that
"Power has been personalized around the Presidency and this has been increased by changes in the Constitution under each President since independence"
This is untrue because in the five years of President Mwai Kibaki's first term, there was NOT single constitutional change." The Government spokesman noted.
The coalition government leaders have been split on the report as to what extent the report should be implemented amid differences over calls for amnesty for perpetrators.
Some members of the clergy however supported the report and recommended its implementation.
With the Cabinet expected to deliberate over the report the government has yet to come up with a collective position over the implementation of the report.
Criminals Abroad
ReplyDeleteWhy leave out Misterseed and the Kiambu mafia in Uk who advertised any may have financed Mungiki?
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ReplyDeleteWAKI Commission
ReplyDeleteKenyans paid for the Waki commission
They did the work given
Cant we let those mentioned get to Hague and defend themselves:
If Guilty- Thats it
If innocent, let them seek compensation
The way things are, this case will go beyong Kenyan's borders.
HAGUE WE COME
Anon @ 11.18. Your claims are not false. A lot of money was raised from the Diaspora. Mostly in those ‘vernacular’ churches ( I call them dens) that have mushroomed everywhere in the EU and US.
ReplyDeleteSir Alex:
ReplyDeleteThanks for elaborating using your twisted logic, much of which is reflective of the hate that resulted in the mass slaughter, rape and maiming of helpless Kikuyu women, children and the elderly.
While I do concede that there MAY be some historical issues to attend to (eg the unlawful allocation of public land), the BIGGER problem for Kenya is how to nurture a spirit of enterprise and innovation among Kenyans in general so that problems of jealousy and hate, especially of the success of others, are pushed into the preiphery where they belong.
We need to find out what it is that makes some use the same resources available to all others (inspite of adverse conditions) in creative ways that magnify the gains (individual and collective)from those resources, while those around just look at them bemused, salivating and frothing at the same time?
These are indeed very serious issues, because if you do succeed to exterminate the easy target, the so-called sangari/kabila adui, the green eyes will turn and be trained on the wahindi and wazungu remaining behind.
I think all Kenyans of good will and intelligence, while focused on looking for our very own Obama from Tseikuru and places, should also expend some energies in trying to understand the origins of enterprise and innovation.
b-carotene you said
ReplyDelete"We need to find out what it is that makes some use the same resources available to all others (inspite of adverse conditions) in creative ways that magnify the gains (individual and collective)from those resources, while those around just look at them bemused, salivating and frothing at the same time?"
The problem bedeviling Kenya has nothing to do with resource utilization and the so called enterprise that you are talking about. However, the gist of the problem lies with how we go about utilization resources and exploitation of available opportunities for prosperity.Take for example, if there is an opening to supply goods or services in say company X and say there are ten potential suppliers from ten different communities you would not be surprised that the choice supplier will be based on some level of nepotism. The point I am trying to make is that some of those negative undercurrents do magnify themselves into monsters such as what we experienced because some people feel that their livelihoods are threatened.
I know people like you still have this warped idea that lack of enterprising spirit is what is causing the inter-tribal conflict in Kenya but it is much deeper than that. You need to ask yourself whether the playing field is uniform and the players are coming from the same background. If I may ask have you ever asked anybody from these so called "non-enterprising" communities about their feelings or why they lack the enterprising spirit? I was expecting that for people like you to form such a strong opinion about other communities then you should have a tangible evidence in form of statistical data to support your sad theories.
If I am not wrong such statements as "non-enterprising" are just as bad as the hate that you were lecturing Sir Alex on. I would suggest that you search your soul before you make such divisive statements or stereotype others.
Taabu,
ReplyDeleteYou need to come out from your hiding and clear your name with respect to the burning of Moi Univ lecturers's houses in Eldoret this past January. One of the lady lecturers can't sleep upto today at night because of nightmares; she sleeps during the day. These people did not deserve what you are alleged to have done (or aided and abetted) to their invested dreams.
You need to come out clear on this matter, please.
Anon 1:32
ReplyDeleteWhat B-Carotene is saying is that some communities have proven to be more adept than others at modern commercial utilization of resources. Some people are more driven. That is a fact. It is also a fact that less successful people tend to be envious of the more successful ones. What is the matter in Kenya is that some politicians have found a way of manipulating that envy for myopic and delusional personal political agenda.
Amnesty for all is on the way.
ReplyDeleteThere is only one thug who caused all this.
ReplyDeleteb carotene,
ReplyDeleteI posed a question to you thusly;
If Raila was funning and flagging violence, what did the GK do about it?
Why wasn't Raila and ODM arrested?
No matter how hard to try to defend the Kibaki administration, the fact is that it failed to protect kenyan citizens by a wide margin.
I know some will place the blame for that on the Police commissioner, but the buck stops at State house with the president.
b carotene,
ReplyDeleteI posed a question to you thusly;
If Raila was funning and flagging violence, what did the GK do about it?
Why wasn't Raila and ODM arrested?
No matter how hard to try to defend the Kibaki administration, the fact is that it failed to protect kenyan citizens by a wide margin.
I know some will place the blame for that on the Police commissioner, but the buck stops at State house with the president.
You place your money in the bank and the bank goes bust and you loose your money. You find out that certain employees were misusing your money.
ReplyDeleteWhom to blame?
I'd want the employees fired and even jailed but at the end, you have to blame the director(s) and decision makers.
Hence I place the blame on the Kibaki administration. If ODM took part in the violence, then they should face the music. But Kibaki bears the responsibility of protecting the citizens. In this case he failed miserably. If Kenya was attacked by outsiders, I doubt that anyone here be they ODM,PNU would accept lax security.
My disappointment with Kibaki is that he takes a laise faire approach to the office of the president. He doesn't get the magnitude of the trust and responsibility placed on him. He treats it like a high school head boy office. The allegation that mungiki were hosted at state house is treason at the very least. And this type of thinking has permeated the entire GK, where the Police chief will call and ask for the release of thugs with no recourse. It is the culture of impunity and arrogance, the "mta do" culture. And that is a very sad fact in my mind.
this is very encouraging
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/483348/-/tlh0q9/-/index.html
there should be no talk of amnesty. thats why there is rampant economic crimes and murderous gangs roaming and controlling kenyans and the resources.
even the "lesser crimes" should be well defined and punishable to a certain degree and no one allowed to go free
I think many of us here are missing the point - which is the difference between breaking the law, and just being immoral. Tribunals and courts like hague do not charge people for being immoral, they charge people for breaking the law.
ReplyDeleteSaying such and such people are not wanted in our forefathers land, or we want "our people" to have all the good jobs may be immoral, but its not against the law, and is infact protected by freedom of speech. Breaking the law is when you actually plan, finance and lead the violent expulsion of the "outsiders".
Those are people the law is looking for, but the immoral ones, like all human beings, will face a different judge (God) when their time comes.
RAO was immoral, but his name is not mentioned because their is no evidence that he broke the law. As for kibaki, he was immoral too - but the report hints that he may have broken the law too - when it mentions the state-house meeting that planned the killing in naivasha.
We can not force morality upon people, but to grow as a nation we must enforce the law - and all those found guilty of breaking the law by harming or organising the harm of other kenyans should all be punished, no matter who they are.
Anon @1:32 pm.
ReplyDeleteYou make some very fair points which I would be hardplaced to dispute. I would also be the last to suggest that there is only one problem--it is more complex than that. Also, my tone and choice of language could be better and I am inclined to apologize.
But let's just focus on one important detail. When you look at the peasants (Kikuyu and Kisii) that were being killed and/or chased away--how did they look like? They seemed just as poor and as uneducated as their neighbors, only that some had begun the rather hard, sweaty path towards some kind of pretty basic accumulation. Ramshackle houses and dukas, tiny farms etc. So where is the privilege? I doubt any of them have ever heard of the words government tender or contract. The Kisii, also under attack, are even harder to explain using you argument.
Now, I think you should be extremely embarrased at intimating that because government tenders were not dished out to you, then you must kill the kikuyus and kissi because they were the recipients of the tenders. I hope you see the problem with that!
Baba/mama Moi's 24 years of economic destruction and doom did not see anyone going out hunting for the Kalenjin's heads. Indeed, what I know some peasants did for absence of government--they just simply organized, cooperated and did what they could to produce public goods for themselves eg grading roads or even paying teachers. They neither whined nor waited for a disinterested government.
Kenyans must move away from the kind of dangerous thinking that you propose--stretching out their begging bowls to whomever may drop something, whatever, into it. We now have CDF funds, Youth funds,and so on. Seize the opportunity, my friend and do take some responsibility for your own lives and destinies. I think I have heard even the Bumpkin say this several times.
Of course, and I agree with you that there is a role for the state. But I'm afraid it would be expecting too much of the state for it to do everything, including think, for you.
hands up for Charity Ngilu the bold lady that states facts instead of others who are beating around the bush!!
ReplyDeleteNgilu asks Kibaki a direct question!!!
"""What was your role in chaos? Ngilu asks Kibaki""
http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1143997753&cid=4&
Why do some of these MPS prefer a Kenyan tribunal to the International Crimes Court???
ReplyDeleteHague is the only way to get justice!!
What this report has done is no different from the pattni pick up load of evidence is to buy time and basically creat an unworkable situation just imagine trying to prosecute the cases our courts will be booked for the nxt 10 yrs.
ReplyDeleteIn other words its a red herring. if we are serious we should get to the root of this.....depending on where you want to start(as in which yr.2002, 1963,) and deal with the key culprits.....
There are serioius issues in this country that we should face head on..like the taita peopel being largely squatters in their own land while the rest is owned by Criticos and Uhuru....who will fight for the landless taita...their leaders are given ministerial post to look the other way while they renain landless while we waste time on who paid 5bob to someone in the hieght of election fever to scare someonelse away......
My plea is lets tackle the big issues and the small fry will sort itself.....we run the danger of wasting time in courts on what I will call petty offenses while the real criminals are having a free ride in a fancy car.
Sir Alex
While some of you have no faith in Waki's report, London Financial Fimes (FT) reported:
ReplyDeleteSince the days of Mr Moi, Kenya's leaders have buried their sins in voluminous reports and deferred the consequences of future generations.
Judge Philip Waki 500-page inquiry into blood spilt in the aftermath of last December's disputed election results could prove exception.
Read more on Kenya Special, a five page analysis on Kenya by London Financial Times.
(Unusual for that paper to carry out an intensive reporting into a 3rd world country)
http://www.ft.com/reports/kenya-2008
i have been reading your analyses and i must say that you guys make my day full of laughter.you see,prior to the release of the waki report,ODM and PNU were taking completely different ways.it really is funny because right now the rift side of the valley in the ODM are now embrassing kibs whom formerly they had swore to fight to hell.for real,in politics there are no permanent enemies nor friends.this politicians have for missused the innocent mwananchi and inciting against each other.i guese now the tables have turned and it is their time now to incite each other simply because the bug stops at the Hague.
ReplyDeleteTHEY SAY HISTROY REPEATS ITS SEFL, IN KENYA IT THUS .IF RAILA SUCRIFICES HIS FOOT SOLDIERS FOR POWER, THIS WILL MOST LIKELY FORCE THE KALENJINES TO JOIN KIBAKI, AND FOR SURE ITS THE KALENJINE FROM BARINGO WHO WILL BENEFIT WITH MOI BLESSING, OF CAUSCE A PRICE HAS TO BE PAID FOR TO PLEASE THE PANU GOD AND THIS DEAL TO GO AHEAD, SO AS MOI SACRIFICED THE NANDIS AND KIPSIGIS TO BE ACCEPTED BY KENYANTTA AND MK. SO ITWILL BE, NANDIS AND KIPSIGIS WILL BE SACRIFICED BY KANLENJINES TO PLEASE THE PANU gods. AND RAIL WILL BE LEFT IN THE COOLD JUST HAS HIS FATHER JARAMOGI WAS DONE BY JOMO.This a lesson to all Kenyan Never go agents those who kill for you, they back stab you.
ReplyDeleteSo many hundred percent innocent Kenyans lost property to extents that that they may never get back to the status they were in before these senseless incites.
ReplyDeleteLet there be a speedy process for all to pay for their deeds.
Hello Kenyans!
ReplyDeleteIn my view there is something wrong with the commission, our leaders and kenyans (us). Wayforward all that happened did so and the best way to handle it is never to let it reoccur. We have a bright future ahead. to me what matters is the peace we enjoy.
I pray you forgive and leave the rest to the Lord above.