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Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Alleged Perpetrators Of Post-Election Violence

Kumekucha Exclusive: Shocking List


SCHEDULE OF ALLEGED PERPETRATORS

CAUTIONARY STATEMENT

The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR) recognizes the existence of the culture of impunity in Kenya and the need to remove this shield. In the preceding chapters of this report, the KNCHR has made key recommendations including calling upon the Attorney General of the Republic of Kenya and/or the Kenya Police Force to undertake further investigations on various issues that the Report raises. In this section, we provide a list of alleged perpetrators, who were mentioned by interviewees as having played a role in the perpetration of the post election violence. The list is not comprehensive and does not present a complete picture of all who may have been involved. It makes mention of various alleged perpetrators and includes some background information on them, and the allegation(s) and information supporting the allegation(s), which the National Commission believes provides a basis and a good starting point for further investigations.

Every effort has been made to ensure that the information supporting the adverse mentions reaches a threshold that had been agreed to (see Page 20 in Chapter One).

The National Commission is not making any conclusions that the persons mentioned here are guilty; this is presented in the effort to remain faithful to hundreds of Kenyans who provided this information which we expect that the relevant agencies will further

investigate.

On many occasions unsuccessful efforts were made to contact those mentioned. In particular, given that this was election related violence, the Commission sent out letters to all the members of parliament, which however elicited very few responses.

The list was subjected to review by independent persons at the different stages of compiling the report including by the staff and commissioners as well as by national experts contracted by the National Commission to review the report and critique the same.

MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT

ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING

INFORMATION ON THE

ALLEGATIONS

  1. The late Hon. Lorna Laboso M.P, Sotik Constituency

Planning and incitement to violence

On the third week of January 2008, she attended a purported peace meeting at Manaret Society, and incited the local community after which a vicious attack against the Kisiis was instead intensified.

Together with Franklin Bett they talked to and incited about 700 youths at the Sotik Tea Estate and immediately they left the youths began to burn houses belonging to Kisiis.

  1. Hon. Franklin Bett M.P, Bureti Constituency

Planning, incitement, and financing the violence

During a public meeting in Kiptororo in Kuresoi in December 2007, he reportedly urged the Kalenjins to fight the Kikuyus until they leave Molo area.

Before elections, he and other prominent politicians attended a meeting in the interior Ndoinet forest. After the said meeting, the group that attended attacked and destroyed properties belonging to the non Kalenjins. It is believed that they incited the locals to attack non Kalenjins.

He brought young men (boys) in groups of more than 300 from Bomet who worked with the Luo locals to attack the Kikuyus.

Together with the late Kipkalia Kones and the late

Kimutai Too they financed the Kalenjin youths who

attacked the Kikuyus and Kisiis in Kericho.

He organized youths to attack the Kikuyus and

Kisiis in Kericho. He gave them transport, fuel and

food and held meetings at Kericho Tea Hotel and

other places.

He told supporters that “all the investors in

Kericho and in the estates will be either Kalenjins

or Indians”. This statement is said to have given

the youths motivation to attack all other tribes

especially Kisiis and Kikuyus.

He is said to have been explaining to people who

attended a meeting at Kipkatet that no one can

take what belongs to the Kalenjins, especially land.

In a meeting held in Chopkoibet in Bomet, he is

quoted to have said that “ he will beat up the

Kikuyus till they leave Molo”

Together with the late Kipkalia Kones and the late

David Too, they organized and facilitated the

youths to be transported from Trasmara and

Bomet by lorries through Silibwet to go and chase

Kikuyus from Kuresoi.

He intimidated people at Kericho Police Station

and told them that those that give information to

investigators on post election violence will be

lynched.

Eye witnesses have reported that on the 30th of

December 2007 at around10.00 am, at the Caltex

Petrol Station in Kericho town, he gave

unspecified amount of money to some Kalenjin

and Luo men who immediately after the said

payment started stoning and burning kiosks

perceived to be owned by Kikuyus but were in

actual fact owned by the Kipsigis and the Kisii

people.

3. The Late Hon. David

Kimutai Too

MP, Ainamoi Constituency. Planning, incitement, and

financing the violence

Incitement to violence

On the 23rd November 2009 went to Stagemart in

Kericho and addressed a crowd asking residents to

remove all the stains/spots (madoadoa) from the

region. In January 2008 he asked that all the

stains/spots (Madoadoa) be removed from the

region.

Together with Kipkalia Kones and Franklin Bett

they financed the Kalenjin youths who attacked

the Kikuyus and Kisiis in Kericho.

4. The late Hon.Kipkalya

Kones

Former MP, Bomet Constituency

and minister

Planning, incitement, and

financing the violence

Incitment, planning and

financing the violence.

In January 2008 while addressing youths he is

reported to have told the youths :”When we tell

you to block, make sure you block the road, and

when we tell you to remove, make sure you

remove them.”

Kalenjin raiders were hosted at his residence in

Sirikwa from where they launched attacks against

the Kikuyus and Kisiis.

Together with Franklin Bett and the late Kimutai

Too they financed the Kalenjin youths who

attacked the Kikuyus and Kisiis in Kericho

5. Hon William Ruto MP, Eldoret North Constituency,

Minister

Planning, incitement, and

financing the violence

In August 2007 he held a meeting with other

senior ODM leaders in Kipkelion near Kericho

including Sotik MP the late Lorna Laboso , the late

Kipkalia K. Kones (Bomet), Kiprono L. J. Magerer

(Kipkelion) , and Franklin Bett (Bureti) where the

leaders resolved to carry out mass evictions of

non Kalenjins from ‘their’ Rift Valley areas,

particularly the Kikuyu and Abagusii.

During an opening ceremony for the Seventh Day

Adventist Church in a place called Mailing, he is

alleged to have said that they would uproot the

“sangari”, ‘shake off the soil’, ‘gather it together’

and ‘burn it’, in reference to ‘outsider’

communities. .

He is alleged to have addressed the public at

Bisabol shopping centre in Turbo near Burnt

Forest and incited the local Kalenjin and Luhya

communities against the Kikuyu.

At a meeting on 22/12/2007 at his home in Sugoi

said that his headache was Mr Jonathan Bii, his

opponent, who supported Kikuyu on the land

issue and directed that they should be attacked if

they dared campaign in the areas.

6. Hon. Boaz Kaino MP, Marakwet West constituency Inciting vioelence.

At a meeting, he said that he would remove

Kikuyu and Kisiis from the area after elections.

7. Hon Sally Kosgey MP , Aldai constituency and

Cabinet Minister

Planning, incitement, and

financing the violence

With Hon Henry Kosgey, they attended meetings

to organise violence. They are alleged also to have

funded the violence.

8. Hon. Fred Kapondi MP, Mt. Elgon constituency Inciting violence He attended and addressed a

rally / meeting at

Ziwa where violence was planned. Alleged to have

said that Luhyas should be expelled from Trans

Nzoia.

9. Hon. Henry Kosgey MP, Tinderet Constituency and

Cabinet Minister

Planning, incitement, and

financing the violence

He held several meetings with the Nandi Hills area

councilors and other opinion leaders at Septon

Guest House within Septon Estate. The meeting, it

is believed, was for planning and organization of

the violence.

He is also alleged to have funded the violence.

10. William Ole Ntimama MP,

Narok North

MP, Narok North constiteuncy Incitement to violence

During the 2007 election campaigns, William Ole

Ntimama reportedly incited the Maasais in Narok

against the Kikuyus and Kisiis. He told the Maasai’s

to evict the said communities if they did not vote

for him and ODM.

On or about 30 December 2007, the Narok market

was burnt and several people injured after he

allegedly told Kalenjin and Maasai youths that the

Kikuyu women in the market had insulted him.

11. Hon. Omondi Anyanga

MP for Nyatike constituency

Participating and funding of

violence

Hiring of lorries to loot cereals depot, funding the

violence

12. Hon. John Pesa MP, Migori constituency Incitment to violence He is reported to have said at a campaign rally that

‘visitors’ had taken away the businesses of local

people). He named the said ‘visitors’ as ‘Oriah’

(understood to mean Somalis, Kikuyus and Kisiis).

He said that if he won he would remove the

visitors and make Luos own the businesses.

13. Hon. Ramadhan Kajembe MP, Changamwe Constituency Incitemetn and participation in

violence.

He hosted a number of people at his home on the

day violence erupted. He “commanded” the youth

that was looting in Changamwe area.

14. Peter Mwathi MP, Limuru constituency Incitement to violence He asked Mungiki to arm

themselves to defend

the Kikuyu in the Rift Valley in a meeting where

alongside other MPS he addressed IDPs on 19th

January 2008

15. Uhuru Kenyatta, Kabando

wa Kabando, Stanley

Githunguri

Members of Parliament for

Gatundu North, Mukurweini and

Kiambaa respectively

Planning and financed violence On diverse dates during January, February and

March 2008 they attended meetings to plan for

retaliatory violence by the Kikuyus. they met to

plan retaliatory attacks in the Rift Valley. They also

contributed funds and organised militia for

retaliatory violence.

16. Kabanda wa Kandao MP, Mukurueni Financing violence He participated in planning for

acquisition of

weapons by Kikuyus for retaliatory violence.

17. Najib Balala MP, Mvita constituency and

minister

Inciting and funding violence Incited and paid youths Ksh. 500 to cause violence.

18. Chris Okemo, MP, Nambale Constituency Incitement to violence. At a rally in Busia at the bus

park and he told

the public that he does not want the Kikuyu

votes and also intimated that it is the Kikuyu

who are barring them from developing

themselves

19. Elizabeth Ongoro MP for Kasarani Financing and planning violence Suuplied money for petrol

used to burn down

houses and property in Kijiji cha Chewa.

20. Maj G en Hussein Ali Police Commissioner Some police officers committed

violations during the violence

Some police officers under his command

as the Commissioner of Police

were involved in use of excessive force

leading to deaths and injury, some

officers were partisans, and others

neglected their duties.

21. (i) Paul Olando Provinincial

Commissioner Nyanza)

(ii) Grace Kaindi Provincial Police

Officer, Nyanza(iii) Scaver Mbogo

Provnicial Criminal Investigations

Officer Nyanza(iv) Mr. Omwanga NSIs

officer, Nyanza

Members of the Nyanza Provincial

Security Committee

In charge of on the g round

operations in Nyanza Province as

regarding maintenance of law

and order

Ordering the use of excessive

force

They gave shoot to kill orders against

demonstrating youth in Kisumu and

authorised use of live bullets

22. Peter Kavila, Wainaina and Njoki

and Peter Matu,

PPO, Western Province,

OCS Malava and two other

Officers respectively

Excessive use of force Shooting and killing peaceful

demonstrators

23. Mr Ngugi, OCS Langas Police

Station and officers under his

command.

The OCS Langas Police station,

Eldoret and officers under his

command.

Execessive use of force. The OCS and the officers under his

command are said to have shot six youths

in Kasarani and Kisumu Ndogo areas

killing two and injuring others.

24. Mr Alfred Chepkwony Assistant chief,

Chemamul Sub l ocation in

Tinderet, Nandi South

Participatng in the violence

The sub c hief was among the attackers on

the morning of 31st December 2007.

25. Mr William Sang The Chief Chepkoilel Location

near Eldoret.

Participating and organising the

violence

The Chief was seen directing the attackers

on 31st of January 2008 at Kimumu.

26. OCS Endebess Police Station OCS Endebess Police Station

during the post election period.

Execessive use of force. He led a group of police officers and

Kikuyu attackers to Turbo area in

Endebess on 6th January 2008 at around

11.00 am and shot and injured people in

the area including the interviewee .

27. Police officers from Endebess

Police station

Police officers attached to

Endebess Police station during the

post election period.

Excessive use of force. Police officers and Kikuyu attackers went

to Turbo area in Endebess on 6th January

2008 at around 11.00 am and shot and

injured people in the area.

28. Kirwa, General Service Unit Officer. A GSU Officer at Nabkoi GSU

Camp in Nandi North. He hails

from Sochoi Village, Nandi South

District.

Execessive use of force and

partisanship.

He shot dead Mr James Tukong who died

on the way to the hospital on allegations

that he was in the PNU camp. The body

was taken to Nandi Hills Hospital.

29. Dr. Jacob Bitok A lecturer at Moi University Organising, planning, funding and

participation in the violence.

He ferried Marakwet warriors to attack

and drive Kikuyu out of Rock Centre in

Eldoret and in Kipkaren areas. He was the

custodian of the funds collected to

finance the violence within Mosop area.

30. A Mr Bernard

Acting Assistant Chief of Mubele

Sub l ocation.

Participation in the violence

Alleged to have been involved in the

violence . The assistant chief is said to

have been arrested and released by

police over the allegations.

31. Thomas Cheruiyot Sirikwa Agricultural/ Veterinary Officer in

Sirikwa

Incitement to violence. He threatened the headmaster of Sirikwa

Primary School (a kikuyu) and asked him

to leave arguing that the school deserved

a Kalenjin headmaster. This was during a

public meeting convened by the Kamara

District Officer held on 27/11/07.

Cheruiyot further reportedly incited the

Kalenjin parents to withdraw their

children from Sirikwa Primary and

Secondary Schools. As a result the

Secondary school was reportedly closed

down.

32. Joseph Rotich a.k.a Survivor. Ass. Chief of Mawingu sublocation

Incitement to violence,

partisanship

He severally threatened the Kikuyu

residents in his area that their time was

running out and that they would be taken

back to central province. On 4/10/07, he

was said to have publicly told the

residents of Murinduko farm that the

Shopping center would be burnt down

soon. After two days, there was an attack

at Murinduko Trading Center by Kalenjin

raiders but they were repulsed by the

Kikuyus. A month later (25/11/07), there

was a major attack in Murinduko during

which two elderly people were killed by

Kalenjin raiders. When Murinduko center

was finally razed down on 16/1/08, Mr.

Rotich was spotted among the raiders

near Set Kobor farm. After the Trading

Center was burnt, Murinduko residents

fled. Mr. Rotich was reportedly heard

bragging that his word that the Kikuyus

were going to move to Central Province

had been fulfilled. He said that he was

going to ensure that all Kikuyus fled to

Kiambu and Nyeri.

33. Steven Ngetich a.k.a Alexander Chief, who lives at Sundu River,

Kuresoi.

Planning and participation in the

violence

Said to have hosted raiders at his

residence. It is also said that raiders who

killed some five people at Sunu River had

assembled at his home before the attack.

Reported to have been arrested for

incitement but was later released.

34. Mr Osewe OCS, Kuresoi Police Station Negligence of duty Said to have failed to take action

Against the raiders even after receiving

information in advance about impending

attacks. Reportedly refused to offer

security to Mwaragania Primary School

despite repeated requests by the

teachers. The school was burnt on

On 31/12/07, a witness states that he met

Mr. Osewe who had visited Gacharage

farm which had been attacked and

houses were burning. He asked Mr.

Osewe what measures he had put in place

to stop the escalating violence. He told

the interviewee that ‘vile nimeona, hiyo

imenishinda. Kila mtu ajisaidie’ (From

what I have seen, I can’t manage the

situation; everyone should take care of

themselves). He then reportedly drove of

and left the area burning.

35. Sammy Ng’etich Acting chief for Chemaner Location

Incitment, organising, and

planning the violence

Ng’etich told the Kisiis and the Kikuyus

that they must vacate the area whether

they like it or not. The chief was all along

against the establishment of a police post

in the area and had threatened several

residents who had spearheaded the

establishment of Giticha Police Camp

following recurrent attacks. Sometimes in

September 2007, he reportedly held a

meeting which was attended exclusively

by Kalenjins and the night after the

meetings, a group of youths attacked

Kamwaura shopping center whereby two

people were killed and several houses

burnt.

36. William Ngerech

Chief, Temuyota Location. Former

GSU officer

Planning and participating in

attacks

He stays in Muriginyen farm. During the

polling period he was shot by the police at

Keringet while in a group of youths that

had attacked a vehicle hired by the

Electoral Commission of Kenya (ECK) to

ferry election materials.

David Rugut Chief Kamasian Location Eviction of people from their

houses

Together with others, he participapted in

evictions.

37. Cheruiyot Policeman based at Murinduko Shopping Center

Organising violence Was an organizer of violence.

38. Mr Mohamed District Officer (DO) Olenguruone Negligence of duty and

partisanship

He reportedly was partisan in favour of

Kalenjins. He failed to act on the violence.

39. OCS Olenguruone Police Station OCS Olenguruone Police Station Negligence of duty The OCS took no action against the

raiders who met daily in the trading

center just a few meters from the police

station.

40. The In charge and other Police

officers of Kaptembwa Police Post

Officers from the police force

based at Kaptembwa

Negligence of duty, arson and

stealing

During some skirmishes on 30th December

2007, the Police officers based at

Kaptembwa Police Post were spotted

looting shops in Kaptembwa estate.

The officers also burnt Jupiter

Supermarket in Kaptembwa while their

in charge was watching

41. Benjamin Koech Policeman Organizing and participating in

violence

On 30/12/07 2007 at Kimogoro farm,

Sogoo location, in Narok South, he was

seen in the company of Kalenjin raiders

armed with an AK rifle. He was seen firing

in the air to scare the Kikuyus as the

raiders burnt their houses. He is based at

the Kenya Tanzania border, he further

organized the burning and looting of

property in Narok, Kimogoro farm

42. A lady known as ‘Nyagem’ Female Police Officer, Kisumu

town

Excessive use of violence She was on duty during spate of violence

after death of Ainamoi MP Too. She shot

a young man dead around Kibuye Market.

43. Dennis also known as Deno Police officer

Attached to Kondele Police

Station and also a resident of

Manyatta Village Sije area

Excessive use of force Shot civilian youth at Manyatta, Kisumu

and injured others in Kisumu

44. Ndegwa Police officer attached to Migori

police station.

Excessive use of force Shot civilian at his place of work in Migori

45. Tanui Administration Police officer

attached to Siaya administarion

police camp

Excessive use of force Shot demonstrating civilian at Jamaa

Petrol Station in Siaya

46. Kirui Police officer on duty in Kisumu

during protests by the youth

Shot and killed youth at Kondele,

Kisumu

Television clip showed that youth shot

was not protesting and was shot at pointblank

range. It was also clear that police

officer was not shooting in self d efence

47. Peter Kavila, Wainaina and Njoki

and Peter Matu,

PPO, Western Province,

OCS Malava and two other

Officers respectively

Excessive use of force Shooting and killing peaceful

demonstrators

48. OCSs for Chaani, Changamwe,

Mishoromoroni, Ujamaa, and Shika

Adabu police stations.

Senior police officers at Chaani;

Changamwe Mishomoroni and

Ujamaa Shika Adabu

The police under the command of

the OCs supported the youths

who were raiding the Kikuyu,

Kamba and Meru homes and

businesses. They kept guard

hence aiding and abetting

commitment of crime.

A group of ODM youths raided his

business and looted. The Police kept

guard over the looters and encouraged

them to loot but not to kill.

49. Luseno Lusaba Assistant Chief, Soy sublocaton,

Lukuyani

Participation in the violence. He was in a group of youths who carried

out attacks in Lugari on 31 December

MEDIA ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING

INFORMATION ON THE ALLEGATIONS

50. Inooro FM Radio station which broadcasts in

the Kikuyu language

Disseminated incitement via callin

programmes

Incited Kikuyu audiences in Central

Province and in the diaspora. Call i n

shows on radio stations enabled

individuals to make unregulated hateful

statements. Inooro FM aired highly

emotional and distraught victims of the

violence.

51. Kameme FM Radio station broadcasting in the

Kikuyu language

Perpetration of hate speech Kameme FM station engaged in ethnic

propaganda campaign against ODM and

the Kalenjin .

Reference to “beasts from the west’ in

reference to Raila were made.

52. Kass FM Radio station broadcasting mainly

in Kalenjin languate.

Incitement and hate speech in its

programmes

KASS FM broadcast hate speech and

materials meant to incite communities

against each others.

53. Radio Injili Radio station Incitement and hate speech in its

programmes

The station broadcast on several

occasions material that amounted to

incitement.

54. Coro FM Radio station which broadcasts in

the Kikuyu language

Incitement through its

programmes.

The station broadcast on several

occasions material that amounted to

incitement.

RELIGIOUS LEADERS

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55. Paster, Kirathimo Church Pastor, Kirathimo Church, Limuru Incitement The pastor urged the

people at Kirathimo

Church (which hosted IDPs) that “The

Kikuyu should be armed the way I am

armed with a Bible”.

56. Rev. Kosgey A preacher who sometimes

preaches on Kass FM.

He incited violence through radio

broadcasts.

During radio programmes, he incited

communities against each other.

57. Mr Benjamin Murei A Seventh Day Adventist (SDA)

Church elder.

Aided and abbeted violence

He offered prayers and read a verse from

the Bible to the youth attackers in

support of the violence.

58. Pastor Isaya Nyongesa Pastor in Likuyani Incitement to violence During the campaign period he

said that

Kikuyu’s must go back to ‘their’ Central

Province.

OTHERS (BY REGION)

NAIROBI REGION

ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING

INFORMATION ON THE

ALLEGATIONS

59. Councillor Ochola Councillor for Utalii Ward in

Kasarani Consitutency and lives in

Kijiji cha Chewa

Financed the purchase of petrol to

make petrol bombs and paid

arsonists Ksh 400/day.

Between 29th December 2007 and the

first week of Jan 2008 he allededly

financed local youth to buy petrol to burn

peoples property.

60. Obong’o Councillor, Kiamaiko ward lives in

Ghetto

Provided food, shelter weapons

transport and money to attackers.

Between 29th December 2007 and the

first week of Jan 2008 provided food,

shelter weapons transport and money to

attackers.

61. Ouma Lives in Ghetto, Mathare,

unsuccessful civic aspirant

Provided food, shelter weapons

transport and money to attackers.

Between 29th December 2007 and the

first week of Jan 2008 provided food,

shelter weapons transport and money to

attackers.

62. A man known as ‘Jogindar’ Lives in Kijiji cha Chewa, Mathare,

civic aspirant

Said to have helped finance and

organise gangs that torched

houses and robbed people.

Between 29th December 2007 and the

first week of Jan 2008 helped finance and

organise gangs that torched houses and

robbed people.

63. Chrispus Kamau Lives in Kibera Allegedly burned down a house . On 21st Jan.08, he burned down a house in Kibera.

64. A man known as ‘Carlos’ A member of an illegal group

Bukhungu and lives in Kichinjio in

Mathare. This group is said to be

associated with a politician.

Allegedly led a gang that knocked

down a house and burned and

stole property.

On 29th Jan.08, being a member of a

group, they knocked down a house

before burning it down.

NAIROBI REGION

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INFORMATION ON THE

ALLEGATIONS

65. John Paul (JP) Alleged leader of an illegal group

called Bukhungu operating in

Kibera, Kichinjio area.

Leader of an illegal gang called

Bukhungu participated in the

violence.

His gang was involved in acts of violence

during the crisis.

66. Kotieno Lives in Kibera slums. One of the alleged leaders of Siafu

. His gang was involved in acts of violence

during the crisis.

67. Kabaka Lives in Kijiji cha Chewa, Mradi T

Area

Leader of group that torched

houses and robbed people.

Between 29th December 2007 and the

first week of Jan 2008 led a group that

torched houses and robbed people.

68. Baraza Lives in Kijiji cha Chewa, acting in

the same team with Jogindar and

Kabaka and others.

Led gangs that torched houses. Between 29th December 2007 and the

first week of Jan 2008 led gangs that

torched houses.

69. Owino Lives in Ghetto. Member of illegal group called

Taliban that torched houses and

robbed people.

Between 30th December 2007 and the

first week of Jan 2008 Owino was in a

group that torched houses and robbed

people.

70. Muturi Muthee Lives in Kariobangi South. Leader of Mungiki cell that

forcefully circumcised Luos.

Involved in various crimes during post

election period.

SOUTH RIFT REGION

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71. Jonah Koech Former Councilor Londiani Ward

He is alleged to have organized,

financed and transported and

supplied petrol to the youths to

carry out the violence and to have

participated in burning houses.

On the 5th of February 2008, with others,

burnt houses that belonged to nonkalenjins.

The same happened on

February 18 and 20th 2008. Alleged to

have also used lorries in transporting the

youths

72. General Retired Koech Contested for the Ainamoi

Parliamentary seat in 2007

General Election.

He alleged to have been one

of the organisers of the

Kalenjin attackers in South

Rift.

Alleged to have been an organizer of the

violence in the South Rift, region. His

assistants, some government officers,

and former service officers that worked

with them are known to the locals.

73. David Njuguna alias “Zebra” . Councilor Londiani town ward. Organized retaliatory attacks

against the Kipsigis.

He organized youths of the Kikuyu

Community to burn down the shops and

businesses of the Kipsigis community.

74. Martin Odhiambo Insurance Broker, Kericho Town. Financed and supplied petrol

to youths.

Alleged to have financed the violence and

supplied youths with petrol to burn

homes of members of the non Kalenjin

communities.

75. Nyabuti Moseti Businessman. Organized the transportation

of the chinkororo fighters for

retaliatory attackers.

He provided Matatu to ferry the

chinkororo attackers to “defend” Kisiis.

76. Jack Sokouhuru He is a businessman and owns

butchery in Londiani.

Participation in the violence. He was one of the attackers who were

involved in the burning of kipsigis shops.

77. Zebra (alias David Githunguri or

Njoroge).

Councilor Chepkongoni Ward. Participated in torching of

houses belonging to the

Kipsigis Community.

On 20th of January 2008 he led a group of

attacks to burn homes belonging to

members of the Kipsigis Community.

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78. Faruk Kibet, Enoch Sugut, Mr

Thomas Koech and Solomon

Tilawen.

Former nominated councilor for

Wareng County Council in Eldoret,

ODM youth leader and

headmaster of Kaptebee

Secondary school, CDF Treasurer

Eldoret North Constituency, and

another ODM activist in Turbo,

respectively.

Inciting, organizing, and

participating in violence.

Faruk |Kibet is alleged tohave incited

and organized the violence in the North

Rift region. With one Councilor Solomon,

they were seen with containers full of

fuel in a vehicle, which they distributed

to groups of youth

It is alleged that with Enoch Sugut, an

ODM youth leader and Headmaster of

Kaptebee Secondary School and Solomon

Tilawen, an ODM activist in Turbo, Faruk

Kibet allegedly asked two youth leaders

Mr Enoch Sugut and Solomon Tilawen to

organize the youths into battalions for

the war. Further, he allegedly requested

the youth leaders to enroll more warriors

as they waited for instructions..

On 2/1/2008 at Chepsaita in Ngenyilel

Location, accompanied by CDF Treasurer

Eldoret North Constituency, Mr Thomas

Koech, the youths were advised to attack

Kikuyu and PNU Supporters residing at

Kipkaren and Musembe trading centre.

In two meetings at Kipkaren and Kabiyet

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areas he told people that if Mwai Kibaki

was announced winner, then people

should start fighting.

Faruk is alleged to have also organized

the burning of the PCEA Church at

Musingen.

79. A Mr Kiptalat A village elder of Yamumbi village

in Langas Eldoret.

Together with Thomas Siratei,

alleged to have led youths in

burning houses and evicting

Kikuyu from the Yamumbi area

One interviewee stated that while

fleeing, she met the named person in the

company of the youth issuing instructions

on the burning of the Kikuyu homes. This

was on 30th December 2007 at around

8.30 pm

80. Mr Thomas Siratei A village elder in Yamumbi,

Langas, Eldoret .

Together with, a village elder of

Yamumbi village by the name

Kiptalat, alleged to have led

youths in burning houses and

evicting Kikuyu from the Yamumbi

area.

A source stated that the named person

was in the company of Kipatalat the

above described together with unnamed

youths

81. Mr Kiarie alias ‘Baba Kariuki’ A resident of Kireti farm near

Burnt Forest area.

Alleged to have a gun and

organized the burning of Kalenjin

houses in Kireti farm

Interviewee states that the named

person shot a man injuring him. Another

source who is a victim of the shooting

incident also indicated that the named

person is the one who shot him.

82. A Mr Kaguthi A tout in Langas area of Eldoret Alleged to have participated in the Named

severally as having carried out

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killings of Luo people by the

Kikuyu in Langas area of Eldoret

Luo.

attacks in Langas area.

83. A Mr Kamiteini A businessman in Langas estate

Eldoret.

Alleged to have organized kikuyu

youth to attack other

communities in Langas.

The named person hosted meetings that

planned attacks. He bought pangas for

the youth to use in the raids.

84. A Mr Waititu A resident of Langas, Eldoret and a

businessman in the transport

industry.

Alleged to have been involved in

organizing the youth.

He provided a grinder at his place of

business to sharpen pangas that were to

be used in the attacks .

85. Mr Anthony Samoia A resident of western farm, Langas

Eldoret .

Alleged to be have made bows

and arrows and also led Kalenjin

youth to attack target

communities in the area on 1st

January 2008.

He was seen leading the youth in

attacking targeted communities.

86. A Mr William Businessman and farmer in

Tinderet Tea Estate

Used his three vehicles (a Nissan,

a pick u p and a tractor) to ferry

property that had been looted

from Kikuyu and Kisii in Tinderet

tea estate.

His three vehicles ferried property

belonging to Kisii and Kikuyu in

Chemamul, Nandi South, and Tinderet

Tea Estate on the morning of 31st

December, 2007.

87. A Mr. Jacob A resident of Nandi hills town and

owns a boutique in the town.

Led a group of youth from around

Nandi hills town to loot shops

belonging to Kikuyu

He was heard planning to loot a

supermarket in the town and then later

he was seen leading youth to loot Kikuyu

shops on 28th December 2007 at around

5.00 pm in Nandi Hills Town .

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88. Mr Sambui A resident of Soi area. Aided the violence. Provided his Public Service Vehicles

(Matatus) vehicles to ferry attackers to

and from the town.

89. Mrs. Eunice Maina An elderly Kalenjin lady and a

farmer who stays in Marura area

of Eldoret.

Aiding and financing the violence. She is alleged to have given out her

incomplete house in Marura for night

meetings to plan attacks and also allowed

part of the incomplete house to be used

for making of arrows for the attacks.

She is also alleged to have provided

lorries to ferry youth from Moiben to and

attack Kimumu and the surrounding

areas.

90. Mr Jackson Kibor

A wealthy businessman and elder. Addressed youth and urged them

to attack and evict Kikuyus on

several occasions during the

violence.

Youth assembled at his home and later

marched to Maili Moja shopping centre

where he addressed them on 30th

December 2008 at 5.30 pm. He also

addressed a bigger number of youths in

his home on 1st January 2008.

He supported violence on BBC and tried

to justify the actions in the interview.

91. A Mr Sechete Resident of Silas area of Eldoret.

He owns butchery at Silas Estate.

Organized Kikuyu to attack other

communities living in Silas and

Munyaka estates of Eldoret town.

He was seen leading other Kikuyu in Silas

on the morning of 30th December 2008 to

attack other communities.

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92. Mr Shaaban Mbugua A kikuyu resident of Silas area and

a lorry driver .

Led attackers in the Silas area of

Eldoret

He was seen leading other Kikuyu in Silas

on the morning of 30th December 2008 to

burn houses in Ilula and Silas areas of

Eldoret.

93. A Mr Alfred A resident of Tambach township

and a matatu driver along Iten

road

Aided and participated in the

violence.

He transported attackers to burn the

home of the interviewee. He burnt

houses belonging to Kikuyu in Tambach

together with Abraham Chemen, (a

construction worker in Tambach), Bobon,

Raymond Mebar, and Kibiyego (a

neighbor and a medical worker at

Kakuma refugee camp in Turkana

district).

He was the custodian of funds that were

used to pay the attackers and generally

carry out the attacks.

94. A Mr Kaunda A Marakwet man staying in an

area neighboring Matierio Village

in North Kisii Farm, Trans Nzoia

District

Alleged to have organized attacks

and arson in Matierio Village

He was seen leading youth in burning

houses in Matierio village on 1st

September 2008 at around 2.00 pm,

there were about 150 youth.

95. Mr Kipkoech Too and Nicholas

Sitienei

Former headmaster of Kakiptui

Primary School and currently CDF

Committee Member for Mosop

respectively.

Assisted in raising of funds for the

violence.

He assisted in conducting a harambee

towards buying of arms. It was said at the

meeting that they knew people who

could assist buy the arms.

96. Councilor Kiptindinyo Councilor of Kapsimotwo Ward, Leading of violence and He lead violence

in Nandi Hills and incited Nandi . incitement. communities to violence.

97. Mr Joshua Arap Sang A reporter with Kass FM who

hosted some of the morning

shows

Used the station to mobilize and

plan for violence

. He branded those who did not vote with

the rest of the Kalenjin community

traitors.

98. A Mr Jacob aka ‘AYJ’ Councilor

Kiplimo and Metto alias ‘Mataifa’.

A business man at Nandi Hills

township and a secondhand

clothes dealer, and a councilor..

They aided and participated in the

violence and destruction of

property.

In the planning for violence Jacob was

assigned to dentify all Kikuyus and Kisiis

in the town and to recruit youths to do

the destruction. The three of them burnt

down Total Petrol station in Nandi Hills.

99. Murei, retired Senior

Superintendent of Police

Retired Superintendent of Police

and a resident of Cheptirwa

Village

Trainining warriors. He was in charge of training the warriors

in the area.

100. A Mr Serem KNUT Secretary Nandi North Planning and organization of the

violence.

He was involved in the planning of the

violence in the area. He organized youths

from Sangalo to burn houses .

101. A Mr Maiyo A resident of Yamuumbi estate,

Muiruti Shopping Centre.

Hosted attackers. He housed youths till 30/12/2008 who

were suspected to have caused the

violence immediately after the

announcement of the Presidential

election results.

He accommodated and fed the youth

warriors who were preparing to attack.

With Mr Jeremiah Kosgey they hosted

the attackers.

102. Mr Ishmael Choge A resident of Kapsabet and former

councilor.

Providing supprt to the

violence/aiding and abbeting

violence.

He was in charge of funds distribution in

Emgwen. He also worked with Amos Korir

of the same area. Allegedly collected

money from the business community

which was used to sponsor the violence.

103. A Mr ‘Barubaru’

Was An ODM Aspirant for

Chemundu Ward

Participation in the violence. Coordinated and participated in violence

in Nandi North District.

104. Mr Joshua Arap Keter Head teacher Kosacheii Secondary

School Sugoi.

Aiding and abbeting the violence. With his saloon car he used to ferry

petrol, airtime and money to mobilize the

youth for the violence.

105. Mark Too A wealthy farmer and

businessman, former Nominated

KANU MP

Hosting raiders. He hosted a raiders’ training camp at his

farm next to the Eldoret International

Airport where he supplied food and milk

for the raiders during training.

106. Mr Thomas Boiben Businessman in Eldoret Aided and abeted acts in the

violence

His lorry was allegedly used to ferry items

believed to have been used during the

violence. He was quoted to have asked

his fellow Kalenjins why any Kikuyu

houses were still standing unburnt at the

height of the violence.

107. Mr Richard Chesment and

Salina Kosgey alias Wasitara

Prominent businessmen in Nandi

Hills Township

Transporting of attackers. They ferried and funded youths who

caused the mayhem using their own

vehicles that went around looting the

Kikuyu property.

108. Wilson Mutai Resident of Kosachei Ward and a

former Chairman Wareng County

Council

Funding the violence.

With Dennis Chemase Kanu youth

leader Eldoret North he was seen moving

around the district distributing money to

the youth during and after the chaos.

109. Mr Benjamin Akumu alias

‘Malo malo ‘

A newspaper vendor in Oginga

Odinga street, Eldoret.

Alleged to have led the youth in

burning and looting houses in

Kipkaren area of Eldoret and killed

one person in the process

He led the youth to evict Kikuyu from

Kipkaren area and loot and burn their

property on 31st December 2007. A

kikuyu man named Kennedy was later

found burnt in one of the houses.

110. Mr Peter Maluma alias ‘Pokot’

A resident of Kipkaren Estate of

Eldoret

Alleged to have also organized the

youth to evict Kikuyu from

Kipkaren area and burn their

houses

He was seen in the company of the

attackers.

111. A man known as ‘Mzee Pilot’ He stays in Huruma area of

Eldoret and owns a bar in the area

. Alleged to have hosted youth in

his residence.

He hosted a group of youth who were

around 300 in number on 29th December

2008 in his residence. He was seen giving

instructions to the armed group. He was

mentioned to have been a leader of the

attackers in Huruma.

112. Mr ‘Brother Jew’ A Hotel owner in Huruma area of

Eldoret named ‘Brother Jew’

Alleged to have been involved in

the planning of violence in

Huruma area of Eldoret

He was involved in the plaaning of the

violence in the Huruma area of Eldoret

and provided a grinder at his premises in

Huruma.

113. Emmanuel Lamai Bor, Clement

Kipkemei Lamai.

Both are sons of a Mr Bor Participation in the violence.

They were seen among the raiders at the

Kiambaa church burning and were

involved in hacking people to death.

Have since been arrested and arraigned

in court on charges of murder.

114. Stephen K. Leting (Chemalan) A civic seat aspirant

Participation in the violence

He was seen among the raiders at the

Kiambaa church burning and was

involved in hacking people to death.

Has since been arrested and arraigned in

court on charges of murder.

115. A man commonly known as

“Brown”

A butchery proprietor at

Cheplaskei

Participation in the violence

He was seen among the raiders at the

Kiambaa church burning and was

involved in hacking people to death.

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MOLO DISTRICT

116. Thomas Belsoi A retired police officer and son of

a former army captain (Belsoi). He

resides at Sirikwa farm.

Hosted raiders and provided

support to them.

He provided storage for gusn and other

logistics including biculars that led to the

killings of 20 Kikuyu young men.

117. Peter Belsoi, Son of a former army

captain(Belsoi). He resides at

Sirikwa farm. Works with Telkom

in Nairobi.

Contributed money for the

violence.

Mr. Belsoi contributed money towards

the violence and that he was in the area

during the relevant period.

118. S.P. Siele Businessman (Wholesale trader) in

Total Trading centre

Financed attacks in Molo and

Total

He was reportedly one of the key

financiers of violence against non ODM

supporters in Total and Mau Summit

area.

119. Wilson Leitich A former nominated councilor and

former Nakuru Kanu branch

chairman

financier of violence

hosting of raiders.

He was reportedly financier of the

violence and severally hosted raiders in

his residence at Muchorwe Farm from

where they planned and launched

attacks.

KURESOI

120. Moses Cheboi Immediate former MP Kuresoi Incitement to violence

Negative ethnic comments and

hate speech

Financing meetings where attacks

were planned and financed the

attacks

Providing transport to attackers

He reportedly financed a meeting held at

Chepkinoiyo near Sitoito after party

nominations during which it was resolved

that Kikuyus should be evicted so that

they do not vote for the Kikuyu aspirant.

He is said to have co financed another

meeting held in Keringet on 22/12/07,

which declared total war on the Kikuyus

and the Kisii.

He supplied a lorry which was reportedly

used to ferry raiders to scenes of attacks

on diverse dates

121. James Koskei Former MP, Kuresoi Facilitating and organizing

violence

He facilitated and attended meetings

after ODM nominations which were held

in mid November, 2007 that planned

attacks on Kikuyus .

122. Joseph Kebenei Parliamentary aspirant, Kuresoi Inciting, facilitating and organizing

violence against Kikuyus and Kisiis.

He facilitated and attended meetings

after ODM nominations which were held

in mid November, 2007 that planned

attacks on Kikuyus.

123. Ezekiel Kesendany Parliamentary aspirant, Kuresoi Alleged to have incited, facilitating

and organizing violence against

Kikuyus and Kisiis.

In a meeting held at Kiptororo on

22/12/2007, he stated that Kalenjins

should evict Kikuyus from Nyota farm.

124. Arap Sang (nickname LW) Prominent businessman Hosted a Kalenjin leadings for a

meeting where attacks against

Kikuyus and Kisiis were planned

On 22/12/07, he hosted a Kalenjin

leaders’ meeting at his residence at

Keringet during which the leaders

declared war on the Kikuyus and Kisiis.

125. Julius Sigei Former councillor, Nyota ward

and a chief campaigner of Moses

Cheboi and a resident of

Muchorwe farm

He organized violence. He was a key perpetrator of violence

against the Kikuyus and Kisiis.

126. Jacob Rono Personal Assistant to Moses

Cheboi and also the CDF manager

He was involved in organizing

violence

On 28/12/07 after Moses Cheboi lost the

Kuresoi seat, he ordered the youth to go

and start attacks alleging that votes had

been rigged. The youth later attacked

and burnt houses at Keringet Trading

centre

127. Mr Sigiroi Civic aspirant Mkulima ward in

Kuresoi

He is alleged to have incited the

Kalenjin by uttering hate speeches

against the Kikuyu.

During the campaign period he

repeatedly urged Kalenjin voters during

campaigns not to vote for kikuyu

aspirants so as to reduce kikuyu

dominance in the area.

128. Geoffrey Koskey (Kio Farm,

Kuresoi)

Former Civic Aspirant (2007),

Kuresoi Ward. .

Planning and organizing violence

Use of derogatory language

against the Kikuyu and inciting the

Kalenjins against the Kikuyu.

He warned a witness to escape from the

area so that he is not harmed when

violence begins. He allegedly told the

witness that they had been holding night

meetings to discuss the fate of Kikuyus.

129. Josiah Gakono (Kio Farm,

Kuresoi)

One of Moses Cheboi’s

campaigners

incitement against the Kikuyu by

uttering hate speeches. nd

burning of houses

He was spotted several times burning

houses in the area. In one major attack,

he was seen armed with bows and

arrows and a Panga. He was wearing a

shot and had smeared his face. He also

reportedly referred to Kikuyus as

madoadoa (spots), Ng’ogi (dogs).

130. Benjamin Chirchir Local prominent businessman.

(Set Kobor, Kuresoi)

Hosting attackers. Raiders reported to have been staying at

his home. Sometime in November 2007,

a group of about 200 raiders was spotted

by a witness in his compound, which is

next to a forest. Later that evening, there

was an attack in Murinduko farm.

131. Mathayo Sang (Kongoi farm,

Kuresoi)

Local businessman timber dealer,

Cheboi’s chief campaigner, head

of CDF committee.

Hosting of meetings of raiders

and funding the raiders.

He was one the persons who hosted

raiders and planned violence. He once

told a witness that they either vote for

Cheboi or they get pushed out of the

area. On 2/2/08, he reportedly used send

two men to purchase petrol at Kuresoi

Trading Center, which was later used to

burn houses.

During the post election clashes, he

reportedly hosted and paid the raiders.

132. Francis Kenduiywo (Kongoi

farm, Kuresoi)

Local businessman, Former

Councillor, Kuresoi Ward

Planning and funding of violence One of those who hosted raiders on

diverse dates during which violence

against the Kikuyus and Kisiis was

planned violence.

133. John Maritim (Kongoi farm,

Kuresoi)

Local businessman, Former

Councilor, Kuresoi Ward.

Planning and funding of violence He was one of those who hosted raiders

on diverse dates during which violence

against the Kikuyus and Kisiis was

planned violence.

134. Wesley Ruto

(Ogilge farm, Kuresoi)

Former parliamentary aspirant,

Kuresoi)

Facilitating and planning violence Raiders used to gather at his house. His

four w heel car (Toyota Double Cabin)

was used to ferry injured raiders to

hospital. Sometimes in 2007, during a

fundraiser, he told the Kalenjins to stop

selling land to the Kikuyus and Kisii.

135. Elijah (Nickname, Jua Kali) Local businessman, Kongoi farm,

Kuresoi.

Planning and facilitating violence His car called ‘Tinet Gaa’ used to ferry

raiders to scenes of attacks and to ferry

the injured to hospital.

136. David Chumba also known as

Siagi

Prominent businessman who deals

in livestock and timber

Issuing threats, hosting attackers

and organizing attacks

During the campaign period, he issued

threats to a Civic aspirant who vied and

worn a civic seat. He told him that he

should stop vying for the seat or else he

faces dire consequences. His house was

raided by police after an attack in Giticha

farm sometimes in November 2007.

During the attack, some raiders were

killed by the police. The police then

proceeded to Chumba’s house where

they reportedly found a group of raiders

preparing to take tea which had been

prepared using big sufurias (cooking

pots). It is alleged that the police found a

dead body in the house. Chumba and the

raiders were arrested but were shortly

released reportedly upon the

intervention of Hon Moses Cheboi.

137. Josiah Langat Local Prominent businessman,

Owns several posho mills and

trades in livestock.

Planning and organising of

violence

Stock theft

He financed youths to steal livestock and

hosted raiders at his residence in

Kabongoi. Sometimes in august 2007, his

son and a group of cattle rustlers were

arrested by police with stolen cows which

they were driving towards Transmara.

138. Joel Langat Former OCPD, Nakuru. Farmer at

Kamwaura Angurwe village.

Hosting raiders and stock theft

during the post elections

violence

Raiders frequently gathered at Langat’s

home for planning of attacks. Stolen

livestock were first taken to his residence

before being driven away.

139. Mathias

Resident of Haraka farm and is

said to own a big house .

Hosting of raiders About 200 raiders gathered at Mathias’

residence. They were seen by policeman

who was on the material day among a

group of policemen pursuing stolen

animals.

140. Tito (nickname) Haraka farm,

Kuresoi Division

Local businessman with a posho

mill, shop and a hotel

Hosting attackers, financing and

planning of violence

Raiders used to converge at his business

premises to organize attacks. In August

2006, he was arrested by Kikuyu youths

during an attack by Kalenjin raiders in

Murinduko but was released shortly. He

is very influential and commands huge

support from the Kalenjins.

On 28/11/07, hundreds of Kalenjin

youths gathered outside Tito’s shop. They

later threatened the witness and crossed

over to the neighbouring Murinduko

farm and began attacking Kikuyus who

were attending to their farms, killing two

elderly people.

141. Joel Toweet Farmer at Set Kobor Hosting attackers and planning

violence

According to witnesses, Joel’s son,

Vincent Mutai was killed in 2006 during a

cattle rustling incident at Tegea farm. He

accused Murinduko people of being

behind his son’s death. He used to drink

beer at Murinduko center and severally

threatened to avenge the death of his

son. Prior to an attack at Murinduko farm

on 28/11/2007 during which two elderly

people (Daniel Waruhiu and Susan

Wangui) were killed, raiders were

spotted meeting at his residence.

142. Wesley ‘Chagau’ Nominated councilor, Keringet Financing violence Wesley reportedly owns a

light blue

Datsun 1200 which was used to ferry

food to various scenes of attacks. He also

owns a big butchery in Keringet and used

to supply cooked meat to the raiders

OLENGORUONE

143. James Tuwei Councilor, Cheptuech ward Incitement and participating in

violence

The Councillor gave inflammatory

speeches during the campaigns. That

during a meeting after the party

nominations, he said that the Kalenjins

must fight and liberate the rest of the

Kuresoi like they did in Chepakundi in

1992. The land has since been taken over

by the Kalenjins). He was also spotted

armed with bows and arrows in several

incidences

144. Bidii Arap Too

Former Councilor Facilitating and supporting the

violence.

His lorry was used to ferry raiders to

scenes of attacks.

145. Joshua Sang

Farmer , lives in Olenguruone.

Financing and planning violence He owns a lorry which was used to

transport raiders on diverse dates. He is

an influential person.

146. Joseph Koromecha Mamoen 80 year old Kalenjin elder. He

lives in Saptet on the way to

Olenguruone.

Illegal oathing and participating in

meeting to plan violence.

Koromecha presided over traditional

ceremonies and cleansing/blessing the

youths for the war. He held a meeting

with Kalenjin elders on 22/12/07

between 11.00am to 1.00pm at a Mr.

Arap Sang’s (nicknamed LW) residence.

147. Dickson a man known

otherwise known as ‘Dyma’

(Olenguruone)

Local prominent businessman.

Proprietor of Dyma Wholesalers

and Dyma Petrol station.

Financing violence. His lorry (white canter, Mitsubishi) was

used to ferry raiders to scenes of attacks.

He also reportedly sponsored the

violence through supply of food, fuel and

money. He also owns a green pick u p

truck, Toyota which he used to take fuel

and food supplies to the forest.

148. Simeon Rabwet

Headmaster Amaro Secondary

School.

Organizing and participating in

violence

He organized the violence. In the

aftermath of the elections his car was

used to accompany the raiders during

attacks. He was spotted addressing

raiders during several planning meetings.

Rabwet’s main role was mobilizing the

raiders and coordinating transport to

various scenes of attack

149. Mr Keror Former Police officer Incitement and organizing of

violence

He was involved in mobilization towards

the violence

150. Pius Koech (Olenguruone) Former Teacher and Chief. Also an

influential village elder.

Organizing, financing and

participating in violence

He is a village elder who reportedly used

to solicit for contributions towards the

violence. He was spotted severally

addressing the raiders at Olenguruone

trading centre. He was also seen severally

boarding vehicles destined for Muchorwe

while armed together with the raiders.

This was around the third week of

January 2008.

151. Matayo Resident of Ambusket area of

Olengurone

Financing violence Matayo reportedly donated a ten wheel

truck, ‘grey’ in colour for use during the

violence

152. Mr Bii, Headmaster, Teta primary School Directing and participating in

violence

He led a group of raiders that burnt down

the Nyagachu chief’s office and Nyagachu

Police Post. The raiders threatened the

area chief with lynching if he did not

support the violence. The chief was

ordered to remove his files from his

office before it was set ablaze

153. Mochogorop Oyonge Spiritual leader. Illegal administering of oaths. In January 2008, he was

brought from

Transmara by local leaders and elders to

administer oaths to the youths in

readiness for the attacks. One of the

elders who brought him is called Joseph

Koromicha.

154. Korir Former Chief, Amaro location Mobilizing and organizing violence Korir was reportedly in

charge of

mobilizing and training/briefing of raiders

on the attacks. The raiders routinely

assembled at Olenguruone, Keringet

shopping center and on various spots

along the roads where they were picked

by the trucks

155. Joseph Sang

Retired Clinical Officer Incitement, mobilizing of funds

and organizing violence.

Mobilized youth for the attacks. He

further used to mobilize for funds to

facilitate the attackers. He was spotted

severally addressing the youths in

Kiptagich area. Immediately after the

announcement of the presidential

results, a group of youths allied to Joseph

Sang attacked and burnt a residential

area near the DO’s office which is mainly

inhabited by Kisiis

MAUCHE

156. Kirui alias ‘Savco’ Aspiring councillor, Mauche ward Incitementy, organizing and

participating in violence

He convened youth meetings convincing

them to protect their community. He

further organized the youths to dig up

trenches on the tarmac road and to

barricade the roads

157. ‘Saitoti’

(Nickname)

Farmer Incitement. He incited the kalenjins against the

Kikuyus. On 31/12/07, he said that the

Kalenjins should not allow the Kikuyus to

flee under police escort since they were

the cause of their problems. He wanted

them to remain for them to be dealt with

accordingly.

158. Sammy Rotich, Alias ‘Saro’ Youth leader Participating in attacks He was in the front line in

during the

violence. He was also was also involved in

looting. He used to be in the company of

another ex army office.

MAU SUMMIT

159. Wilfred Bii

(Mau Summit)

Former Teacher (Pele Primary

School) and cureently a board

member Mau Summit Secondary

School).

Hosting raiders and organizing

violence

Raiders used to converge at his house at

the height of violence.

160. David Koech Son to a catechist who lives in

Mau Summit

Participated in the raids He is said to have been involved as a

raider and was identified by the

interviewee in a raid on 1/1/08.

161. Josiah Koech (Mau Summit) Headmaster, Koige Primary

School.

Participating in violence He was seen participating in violence

during a raid in Mau Summit on 1/1/08

162. Ben (Total, Mau Summit) Manager, Leopard Park Hotel Hosting attackers, Raiders used to meet

at his hotel.

163. Philip Tuikong

(Mau Summit, Haraka Sub location)

Subchief, Haraka Sublocation Negligence of duty and complicity

in violence.

He told his neighbour (a Kisii) to move

away since there was going to be an

attack on the Kikuyus

164. Mr Rono, Mau Summit. Retired chief, Mau Summit

Location

Organizing and participating in

violence

He together with other people burnt a

Mr G.K. Mwaura in his house on 1/1/08.

Mwaura was escaping from his house

which had been set on fire by the chief

and his colleagues. The attackers caught

up with him and tossed him into the

burning house where he burnt to death.

NAKURU

165. Mr. David Manyara. Former MP for Nakuru town Inciting and planning Mobilized and led

around 300 members

of Mungiki to Ponda Mali estate of

Nakuru on 15th January 2008

Bought pangas from Woolmart

supermarket on Friday 11th January 2008

in preparation for attacks

166. Mayor Gikara Politician Planning and organizing violence Together with two other people he was involved in bringing members of the

Mungiki group to Kwa Rhoda estate of

Nakuru

CENTRAL RIFT REGION

ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATIONS SUPPORTING INFORMATION

167. Zakayo A businessman based in Nakuru

and owns a sawmill and a hotel

known as ’Zakayo’ on Kanu street

in Nakuru

Planning and organizing violence Together with two other people he was

involved in bringing members of the

Mungiki group to Kwa Rhoda estate of

Nakuru

168. Mr. Maina Principal, Nakuru Blanket

secondary School, Nakuru, said to

be a Luhya

Incitement He was inciting people to violence against

the Kikuyus

169. Mike Brawan Aspirant for the Nakuru

Parliamentary seat

Incitement He was in the company of violent youth

chanting ODM slogans and harassing and

intimidating kikuyus in Nakuru on 30th

December 2007

He was with youth who smashed

properties belonging to kikuyus in Langa

langa and Mwisho areas of Nakuru

170. Ephantus Kiura Rift valley Province Police head of

operations

Negligence of duty and complicity

in violence

He assisted the Mungiki youths on

25/1/08 as they attacked and killed ODM

supporters in Nakuru town.

171. Mr Too Chief of Timboroa, Subukia

location.

Organizing and participating in

violence

Involved in instigating violence. He

reportedly ordered Kalenjin raiders in

Subukia on, 1/1/08, to attack and burn

Kikuyu houses. He allegedly personally

took charge of the attacks.

172. Hezron Wamutonyi Businessman in Free Area, Nakuru.

He also deals with herbal

Inciting violence. He was heard saying that whoever killed

a Kalenjin would be paid Ksh. 25,000 and

medicine, owns a butchery and a

bar called Buffalo

a Luo Ksh. 18,000.

Hosted about 2000 youth armed with

pangas in his home in Free Area, Nakuru

after the elections. He was later arrested

by the police and released.

Was receiving reports from members of

the Mungiki group who carried out

attacks. Interviewee states that the

alleged person called him on 13th

February 2008 and apologized to him

that he was affected yet he (the

interviewer) was a PNU supporter . He

promised to tell his boys not to attack

him and asked the interviewee to call him

in case of any danger.

173. Wandaka A resident of Free Area, Nakuru

and a scrap dealer. Also deals in

hides and skins and owns

residential houses

Planning and financing violence He hosted a meeting attended by kikuyus

after elections to plan violence in Free

Area, Nakuru.

He sponsored violence in Kiratina and

Free Area in Nakuru

174. Joseph Kuria A resident of Free Area, Nakuru

and owner of a hotel known as

‘Farmers Hotel’

Planning and organizing violence He convened a meeting for kikuyus after

the elections to plan violence in Nakuru’s

Free Area

175. Mr. Kimotho An elderly man and a resident of

Free Area, Nakuru and owns a

matatu

Brought weapons to Free Area

during the violence

A matatu belonging among other lorries

that ferried youth to Free Area and she

further states that the vehicle she

identified as Kimotho’s brought pangas.

176. Danson Ngatia A businessman in Free Area,

Nakuru. Owns a hardware known

as ‘Bura Yangu’ in Free Area

Financing violence Financed the mungiki group to carry out

violence in Kiratina and Free Area in

Nakuru.

177. Mash wa Dafra A youth who stays in Karatina,

Nakuru and owns a hotel known

as ‘Dafra’

Participating in violence Was the ringleader of youth who

attacked luos and kalenjins in Karatina

and Free Areas in Nakuru. He was in

constant communication with financiers

of the violence.

NAIVASHA

178. Mrs. Jane Kihara

Immediate Former MP Naivasha Organizing and financing violence. She organized the Kikuyu youths

and

solicited funds to facilitate attacks against

Luos who she accused of failing to vote

for her leading to her defeat. She

participated in several planning meetings

at La Belle Inn and other Hotel in

Naivasha Town.

On 25/12/07, she bought pangas and

other crude weapons from Branch Kubwa

Supermarket for use during attacks

against the Luos.

On the day she lost the elections, she

went to Keroche industries and provided

money to Kikuyu workers so that they

could evict Luos.

She further organized for ferrying of

kikuyu militia to Karagita.

179. Mark Kariuki Businessman (proprietor of La

Belle Inn

Organizing and financing violence. His Hotel was routinely used as meeting

point during the planning of the violence.

180. Pharis Ndung’u Chege Former Naivasha mayor and

businessman in Naivasha Town

Organizing and financing violence. He was one of financiers of the violence.

He was one of the conveners of the

meetings held at La Belle Inn.

181. Timothy Kamau Prominent Local Businessman Organizing and financing violence. He

orgnanised and financed the

violence. He was one of the conveners of

the meetings held at La Belle Inn.

182. Kigoshi Prominent Local Businessman Organizing and financing violence. He organized and financed of the

violence. He was one of the conveners of

the meetings held at La Belle Inn.

On 27/1/08, he went round Naivasha

town and the estates and called upon the

Kikuyus (using a loudspeaker) to come

out and join in the violence.

183. Munderu Local Businessman, Matatu

Operator

Organizing, mobilizing and

financing violence.

Together with several other Matatu

proprietors, he was involved in planning,

mobilizing and coordinating the violence

in Naivasha and its environs.

He was among the group that

coordinated the transportation of Kikuyu

attackers alleged to be Mungiki from

other areas in Central Province.

184. Wajulia Prominent Local Businessman

Matatu Operator

Organizing, mobilizing and

financing violence.

Together with several other Matatu

proprietors, he was involved in planning,

mobilizing and coordinating the violence

in Naivasha and its environs.

He was among the group that

coordinated the transportation of Kikuyu

attackers alleged to be Mungiki from

other areas in Central Province.

185. Lucky Boy Prominent Local Businessman

Matatu Operator

Organizing, mobilizing and

financing violence.

Together with several other Matatu

proprietors, he was involved in planning,

mobilizing and coordinating the violence

in Naivasha and its environs.

He was among the group that

coordinated the transportation of Kikuyu

attackers alleged to be Mungiki from

other areas in Central Province.

186. Owner of Rafiki Supermarket Local Businessperson Organizing, mobilizing and

financing violence.

She organized of violence. She ordered

her Luo tenants to vacate the houses. On

25/12/07, she reportedly held a meeting

at Kabati estate, which was exclusively

attended by Kikuyus. Earlier in the day,

she was spotted in the company of Jayne

Kihara, the area MP, who was buying

pangas and other crude weapons from

Branch Kubwa supermarket.

187. Virginia Wambugua Local Businessperson Proprietor

of Meta meta Supermarket.

Organizing, mobilizing and

financing violence.

She was involved in financing the

violence and is also accused of evicting

Luo tenants from her houses.

188. Mr Njuki Local Businessperson proprietor

of Njuki Hardware

Organizing, mobilizing and

financing violence

He was involved in financing the violence.

189. Komen Teacher Joyland academy Organizing and participating in

violence.

He was involved in organizing the

Kalenjin youths towards the violence and

was severally seen participating in

violence and in particular on 3/1/08 at

Elementaita

190. Chepkwony Teacher Muririshwa Secondary

school

Organizing and participating in

violence.

He was involved in organizing the

Kalenjin youths towards the violence and

was severally seen participating in

violence and in particular on 3/1/08 at

Elementaita

191. Kihara Njoroge Local leader (Ngata farm,

Kiambogo, Naivasha Constituency)

Organizing and participating in

violence.

He was one of the ring leaders during an

attack in Ngata farm by Kikuyu raiders

192. Samson Nderitu Local leader (Ngata farm,

Kiambogo, Naivasha Constituency)

Organizing and participating in

violence.

He was one of the ring leaders during an

attack in Ngata farm by Kikuyu raiders

193. Jonathan Kuria Warothe Current councilor, Hell’s Gate

ward. Previously worked as a

junior supervisor spraying section

at Nini farm in Naivasha

Organizing and participating in

violence

He convened a meeting at Shamba la

Nyama Butchery in Karagita where a

friend of the interviewee attended the

meeting. The meeting was called for all

kikuyu workers of Nini flower farm,

persons who attended the meeting were

told to be prepared for war and fight the

Luos and they would be paid by Jonathan

and Jane Kihara, the immediate former

MP of Naivasha. The meeting was held

for three days consecutively

194. Wasami, Gathuo, Gachia and

Wainaina

Workers at Naivasha’s Nini flower

farm

Incitement and threats to violence The three who are the co w orkers of the

interviewee at Nini flower farm arrived

on the morning of 31st December 2007 at

their place of work and started taunting

and threatening non kikuyus at the work

place.

195. Mr Ngujiri A resident of Kitur farm in

Naivasha

Organizing and participating in

violence

Mentioned as one of the persons who

was involved in organizing kikuyu youth

in Kitur farm to go and attack kalenjins

196. Wagaitho A businessman in Naivasha Incitement to violence On 30th December 2007, after

announcement of elections, he was

among the group that went around Nini

estate in Naivasha shouting that all nonkikuyus

must leave the estate

197. ‘Meta meta’ A businessman in Naivasha Incitement to violence On 30th December 2007, after announcement of elections, he was

among the group that went around Nini

estate in Naivasha shouting that all nonkikuyus

must leave the estate

198. Dr. Ngige Owns a residential houses in

Naivasha

Incitement to violence On 30th December 2007, after

announcement of elections, he was

among the group that went around Nini

estate in Naivasha shouting that all nonkikuyus

must leave the estate

NYANZA

ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING

INFORMATION

199. John Opere, Morris Oguda,

Fores Oruath ,Ogeyo Ogiro, Jared

Oyoo, Daniel Osodo, Utturu

Otingo, Jones Odinga,

Samuel Odinga, Elius Odinga

Aids / Supporters of the MP for

Nyatike Hon. Omondi Anyanga

Coordinated the riots, looting and

killings

They looted and rioted in Nyatike and

plotted the deaths of Nyatike councilllors

200. Zebii DJ at a Resort Club in Migori Leader in looting and destruction

of property

He led the youth in pointing out premises

belonging to non Luos for looting and

destruction

201. Mama Atoti Business lady in Migori Leader in looting and destruction

of property

Led people who broke into the premises

of a mobile phone dealer

202. Chief Inspector Wanyama The officer in charge of Central

Police Station, Kisumu

Looting. Participated in looting and destruction of

property. A team from the CID

Headquarters in Nairobi was constituted

to investigate him and a report issued,

but despite efforts to obtain a copy of the

report, this was not made available to the

KNCHR.

WESTERN

ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING

INFORMATION

203. Chiri Kamanu A son of a retired law firm

employee in Eldoret and lives in

Serengea Market.

Said to have involved in arson, and

stealing of cows

He was among a group of youths that

looted, and burnt property.

204. Hillary Jirongo Related to Hon. Jirongo and

manages his father’s farm in

Sergoit.

Said to have involved in arson, and

stealing of cows

She was among a group of youths that

looted, and burnt property.

205. Patrick Amukora alis “Patty” Has a farm in Sergoit in an area

called Block 10.

Said to have involved in arson, and

stealing of cows

. He was among a group of youths that

looted, and burnt property

206. Mr. Omusula alias Zamaleck Proprietor of Zamelck Music

stores in Kakamega town

Financing the violence On several days, he paid youths to burn

Kikuyu property

207. James Tororei Retired army officer Said to have sponsored the

violence.

He acted as the organizer and sponsor of

violence in parts of Lugari District. His

vehicles were used to collect stolen

property.

208. Maloba Ex special branch officer Said to have sponsored the

violence

He sponsored the violence.

CENTRAL REGION

ALLEGED PERPETRATOR BACKGROUND ALLEGATION/S SUPPORTING

INFORMATION

209. Mburu Gituya Businessman Supply of weapons Supplied weapons to Kikuyu raiders in

Eldoret town.

210. John Nice Businessman Supply of weapons Supplied weapons to Kikuyu raiders in

Eldoret town.

211. Mr Buba Businessman and owner of Buba

Hardware

Supply of weapons Supplied weapons to Kikuyu raiders in

Eldoret town.

212. Name not established Owner of Kimiti Hardware Supply of weapons Supplied weapons to Kikuyu raiders in Eldoret town.

213. Peter Mwathi MP for Limuru constituency Incitement to violence He asked Mungiki to arm

themselves to

defend the Kikuyu in the Rift Valley in a

meeting where alongside other MPS he

addressed IDPs on 19th January 2008

214. Muigai Njoroge Musician/artist Incitement through hate speech The musician composed

derogatory song insinuating that Raila Odinga is a

murderer and power hungry. He made

reference to Luo people as being lazy.

Played on several local language stations

with following in Central Province.

215. Njenga Karume Former MP for Kiambaa Aided in the violence He provided money to aid in the eviction of non Kikuyus from Central Province.

216. Mary Wambui, PNU Activist Financing the violence She organised finances and attended

meetings together with Members of

Parliament for Gatundu North,

Mukurweini and Kiamba. The meetings

were held to plan retaliatory attacks.

217. A Mr Bob Member of the Kikuyu Matatu Aiding and abetting violence The extent to which

Businesspeople Welfare Association including financing. financed perpetration of violence against non Kikuyu communities was not quite

clear. Together with other business

persons met on 26 January 2008 at

Kikuyu Country Club to fundraise for

eviction of non Kikuyu residents..

218. A Mr Wa Babu owner of Makutano Bar in Kikuyu

Town

Aiding and abetting violence

including financing.

219. Owners of Buba Hardware,

Kimiti Hardware and Menrose

Hardware, all in Kikuyu,

Business people Aiding and abetting violence. Supplied weapons such as machetes.to

the attackers.


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108 comments:

Ivy said...

Eh Okay. Now what next?

If that is what is there? What about hate speech? One way or another all of us will end up being in that list.

So let him who has no sin cast the first stone?

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

I have cast the first stone!! I was not in anyway linked to incitement, funding, planning or organizing the violence. Ivy, if u were there, then I hope the long arm of the law catches up with you.

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

Chris,

I have to congratulate you on having the balls to release the list of alleged perpetrators. My only hope is that something gets done about the Waki Report. I cant wait for these idiots to go to the Hague. Impunity must end!!!

Thanks again. You have done your country proud!!

Kenyans, the ball is on our court now. Kwale, will you be the one to stand in the gap??

Ivy said...

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said " Ivy, if u were there, then I hope the long arm of the law catches up with you."


That one you will wait until the good Lord comes. I am as white as snow on those allegations.

Just be careful what say you...Coz your speech/writing has so much hate in itself...Vengeance!! That is not in you to decide the one to decide is upstairs. But dont worry it is therapeutic

Anonymous said...

total crap!!!!!

this is KNHRC list and has been in the public domain for ages..

where is the Waki list looser?

KK has lost all credibility!!!

Phil said...

Chris,

I gather this is the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)alleged list that was released a few months ago.

Although it does have similarities to the CIPEV list, your list misses some important names that are in the envelope that is in the custody of Kofi Annan.

The name of one Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta is conspicuously missing on this list. His side kick, Murage is also missing, yet these two are well known Mungiki sympathisers and financiers who have worked closely with Maina Njega, Ndura Waruinge and Gitau Wa Gitau. In January, Uhuru was Kibaki's 'ambassador-at-large'. He was effectively running ALL errands for the big man.

He was part and parcel of the meeting that took place in State House, alongside Maina Kamanda, Njenga Karume together with Mary Wambui and her puppet Stanley Livondo Livongo.

What I am saying is this list Chris has published here has since been UPDATED by Waki who was also privy to state intelligence reports and as well as to 'in-camera' testimonies of not just victims but also politicians and heads of state security organs.

By their own confession, KNCHR relies on whistle-blowers and anonymous tips on ther hotline. This is why you see they were not even able to establish the names of some of the perpetrators. What surprises me is that they only have ONE or TWO names from Kibera which bore the brunt of the violence from police and AP. The Kilimani OCPD can tell you who were those people sent to his territory to ensure that the ODM million man march does not reach Uhuru Park. He will also tell you how many corpses of police officers he fetched from Kibera after the officers were cornered and killed after they were found raping Nubian women near the DCs office in Kibera. In my own estimation, no less than 300 people died in Kibera at the hands of police officers sent from outside the jurisdiction of the Kilimani police division.

In other words Chris, WAKI's report is much much deeper andmore revealing than this.

Anonymous said...

Finally Taabu has heard the kenyans wish of discussing the Waki report and the knee jerk reaction of the prime suspects; Ruto (who for obvious reasons taabu cant write his name, rotten head ntimama, molasses who flagged of the hatred, balala of the 'lesotho' country and the other busload of tribal financers sharing the bed in orange house).
of course STRESSED taabu had to throw in state house to DILUTE the evils in molasses house.
like i said before, ODM will break into smitherings the moment Hague express leaves the docks with all the murderous and their clonies. a house built on innocent blood will burn down in broad daylight.

thats the day taabu, kalamali, phil, ivy and the other ODM (read molasses) mini me-lets will run berserk, jobless and with their sorry asses aching from the man hours of fighting for the condemned.

the clock is ticking loosers....

UrXlnc said...

chris

i believe there may be some discrepancies between this list and the waki list

the knchr list/inquiry was conducted soon after the PEV while Waki inquiry was several months after the peace accord was implemented

one of frustrations reported in the Waki commission is that they were unable to reach some witnesses due to IDP relocation and therefore it is very likely that there will be different angles to those testimonies. but i think that waki was also able to reach other witnesses and therefore any disparities in the evidence could be amalgamated to zero in on most of the suspects. no doubt some innocent people will be caught up in this but nevertheless the waki and knchr reports even if not perfect should provide foundation for deeper and if it were possible impartial investigations.

unfortunately the police force being part of the adversely mentioned immediately provides a major obstacle and i hope there is a way round that one. lets see how this unfolds

Anonymous said...

Chris:

Your list is fake, manufactured in the alleys of River Road by KNCHR. It doesn't contain the name of Taabu. Taabu must say where he was in January when some houses belonging to Moi Univ lecturers were burnt down? And how much money did he contribute toward the commission of that heinous crime? Kenya will never heal until this archetypal tribalist is made to answer these questions under oath!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edward said...

Ivy,

You have been asking for evidence since january and talking of the courts.Waki has heard you and given the evidence and taken it to The Hague.Why are you afraid to confront it?????

Cut the crap about casting the first stone.I will cast it!!!I did not kill anyone,i did not send any hate sms.And yes i am angry.Reading the report made me realize what crimes against humanity were committed.

Have you read the report????Or are you just been a Kenyan,commenting on things without information?I read it and i don't support this AMNESTY and FORGIVENESS crap.If the government will collapse so be it but this murderers have to be dealt with.

IMPUNITY must be dealt with and if it means all this murderers masquerading as leaders been jailed or hanged so be it.

This was the human rights report list.As i have also seen the Waki list the difference is minor so Phil stop splitting hairs and tell us what you think.

Are you on the side of MURDERERS or on the side of KENYANS?There is no middle ground!

Since you are Raila's apologist telling him to also decide.The double speak is a disappointment.Vikii,since you are Kalonzo's apologist also tell him to pick aside,KENYANS or MURDERERS.Anyone who is Kibaki's apologist tell him the same thing!

As for Ivy,guess you and Gumo have chosen to be on the MURDERERS side.

That is the bottomline.So everyone please cut the crap about kikuyu,luo,kalejin,PNU,ODM.This is about MURDERERS and KENYANS.

Pick a side!

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

If Uhuru and Co. were involved in planning and financing the violence, then the Hague Express it is!!! These idiots have to be tried in the Hague, that will send a strong message to all politicians that the era ( or is it error?) of impunity has come to a screeching halt!

Ivy, glad to know you weren't involved. Are these allegations against Taabu true??

Ivy said...

Edward

Relax

b-carotene said...

So Chris has chosen to link the two threads. No problem with that.

What I have a problem with is the missing name of one dangerous man who spent a LOT of time running around inciting (flagging off the hatred as one apt observer put it) people before and further fuelling the hatred once violence erupted. There is good evidence of this.

By deliberately omitting Raila Agwambo Odinga's (an active participant in the hate)name, all these commissions have committed a GRAVE injustice to those who lost their lives during the anarchy and importantly, have cast a shadow on their objectivity and credibility. WE WILL NOT LET GO OF THIS OMISSION. Take that to whichever bank you wish!

Chris said...

I am reliably informed that the Waki list only has a few more names than what you see here. The bulk of what is on that list is here.

Phil, most of those names u mention like Uhuru Kenyatta r here.

-Kumekucha-

Anonymous said...

Chris - Thanks and a great job. Am saddened though by the fact that an OCS looted! a chief killed - our law and safety custodians. Hate iko mashinani kweli.
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IVY - I will also cast the first stone.
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On Kones, Laboso and Kimutai - Is someone communicating to us through them. Can you kill...
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Impunity is impunity. Let everyone defend himself. An action today would ensure never again again in our lifetimes would we ever read such a list. Wote, hata ikiwa nin nani am nani - let them board the Hague express. Killing an innocent soul even for revenge is wrong.
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Any opportunity in all this - Yes, the leadrship is Kenya is in for transformation sooner than later.

Otherwise, Mungu saidia wakenya sana na milele yote wapendane

Mzee wa Kijiji

Anonymous said...

What about that alleged oath-taking in Kamagut, Uasin Gishu in Eldoret.

Also MUMIAT OATHING ON 07/08/07 IN KERICHO AT KENUGUT PRIMARY: 25 oxen and 25 dogs were slaughtered for the oath. The oath was for binding Kalenjins together for the purpose of filling young Kalenjin youths with hate against Kikuyus and Kisiis.

E-cop said...

nice try KNHCR but your list amounts to SHADOW BOXING
If this is what Waki's list is like then lets not waste any more time chasing DUST in the WIND
You start off rather conveniently by listing DEAD people for blame whereas that pole position deserves to go to no other than the HEAD Perpetrator(s) who light the fire that torched the house
If planning meetings were indeed held in StateHouse that residence and its current occupant should be Suspect#1 leading from in-front and by example.....
Chris do people hold meetings in your house without your consent?

Waki&KNHCR forget about listing small fish who were paid 500 to run around town naked-go straight for the JUGGULAR and cut your list to maximum 10 Key people without whom none of this would have taken place.
Just 10 people-we don't need to know about OCSs and sons of law firm employees who were only following orders from above
This list(and by extension Waki's) is a total disappointment for choosing to wallow in the miasma of myopic small fry

Phil said...

Blogger Chris said...
I am reliably informed that the Waki list only has a few more names than what you see here. The bulk of what is on that list is here.

Phil, most of those names u mention like Uhuru Kenyatta r here.
-Kumekucha-


Thank you Chris, I must have missed UK's name the first time.

There is saying that goes: DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES (or was it a James Hardley Chase novel or a James Bond movie?)

But how about the names of Maina Kamanda, David Murage, Stanley Livondo, etc.

Again, you notice major flash points like Langata in Nairobi and Kisumu have featured very little on this list, mostly because it was security agents involved!

I have an unverified list of the TOP TEN POLITICIANS & BUSINESSMEN in the secret envelope and I can confirm that it has similarities with this list.

Just like I told some doubters here a few days ago; the REAL reason Raila said it was a challenge to implement this report is because it is directly touching on the first family. It is also touching on some demigod known as the Kenyatta family. As he said in his Kenyatta day address, the truth is now known and it is upon the government to implement it. No wonder the word AMNESTY has suddenly found its way into the PNU dictionary and the duly erected's vocabulary. OMG!

Since we know that the NARA accord was agreed upon, signed, passed by parliament and signed into law by president within minutes; similarly, the international tribunal recommended by Justice Waki does not have to wait for the sixty days. The ball is squarely in state house where the whole thing was first mooted and organised.

Let us get on with this thing and let these criminals carry their own crosses.

Kitenda wili? TEGA.Kitendawili? TEGA. Mtoto akililia wembe???

Anonymous said...

phil, most killers killed in the name of RAO. what have you got to say about that?

b-carotene said...

e-copper:
Seeing that you're discontented with the commissions, name *your* 10 names and cite your reasons. I hope you are not afraid.

I think there is need for some kind of ranking/categorization of the ills committed and their relative gravity. Waki's report did indicate that pre-election incitement was a critical factor in the occurrence AND intensity of the post election violence.

Incitement therefore should rank quite highly among the list of ills, just as highly as those that planned and financed the violence. For without incitement, no amount of planning and finances would have led to the violence. After all the pangas, arrows, petroleum (i.e. inanimate objects) cannot on their own volition cause the murder, arson and so on that we witnessed.

NO inciter should escape unpunished. Youtube and other evidence of this is widely available.

E-cop said...

b-carotene,
Blogger Phil said "I have an unverified list of the TOP TEN POLITICIANS & BUSINESSMEN in the secret envelope and I can confirm that it has similarities with this list."
Now that is what i am talking about!
no need for me to name "my" names

b-carotene said...

e-cop--ok then--wise to wait for the unverified list.

Ivy said...

Si kwa Ubaya

But i hope this is not hearsay. What people wanted their itch ears to hear.

I hope when people will be called they will give hard core evidence that will be beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Ivy said...

E-cop said

"nice try KNHCR but your list amounts to SHADOW BOXING
If this is what Waki's list is like then lets not waste any more time chasing DUST in the WIND"

I agree

Joe said...

Ok,

So we start connecting the dots...

Lorna Laboso, Kimutai Too, Kipkalya Kones... All dead?

Is this a coincidence or did someone off them?

Where does Were fit in all this? Phil, any info?

All said, i hope the evidence against all these people is more structured than the KNHR allegations.

Anonymous said...

Ivy,

What has happened again! Could your name be in the safety of Annan? You are just adding cold water on these names? Why do you think we shall all end up being in the list - This is close and personal. What do you know that we dont know? Tell us.

Otherwise its unlike you today.

Mzee wa Kijiji

E-cop said...

b-carotene,
my point is everyone in Kenya today knows whose names SHOULD be on these lists and that is what they are looking for
You yourself know that stolen elections and Post Election Violence boils down to no more than 10 individuals VERIFIED
We don't want the name of every Tom Dick and Harry who has ever run naked in town because someone gave them 500/=
sometimes i run naked in town myself but i am not responsible for almost tearing our country to shreds-do we really need lists that take us on wild goose chases?are we saying we don't know who is responsible for past, present and future problems Kenya ?

side note: -hallo ivy daughter of samia

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

"The evidence the Commission has gathered so far is not, in our
assessment, sufficient to meet the threshold of proof required for criminal
matters in this country: that it be “beyond reasonable doubt”. It may even fall
short of the proof required for international crimes against humanity. We
believe, however, that the Commission’s evidence forms a firm basis for further
investigations of alleged perpetrators, especially concerning those who bore the
greatest responsibility for the post election violence."

Any legal mind out there who has read the report, can the evidence suggested, even in the KNHCR report reach the threshold required of proof required for crimes against humanity?

Methinks these murderers would want to have the International tribunal here, so as to intimidate the special prosecutor as well as possible witnesses.

Ivy said...

Mzee wa Kijiji

I couldn't put it better than Joe said "All said, i hope the evidence against all these people is more structured than the KNHRC allegations."

With all respect, that is what i am fearing allegations. Have you ever heard evidence then when someone is asked to substantiate they say "Hata mimi niliambiwa" I hope you understand my point. After the post election violence there were so many theories of what transpired, dont you think that some people went and floated in their ideas and just what they might have a notion happened.

We might end up destroying this country with hearsay here and there just because we heard it somewhere. Coz trust me the waki report there are somethings i have read and believe me there are things i used to hear them in a mat, salon, restaurants and even among friends and colleagues.

Relax like i said...Even Waki commission is formed a million times. Ivy's name will not be anywhere near there unless they are writting down names of spectators who might be just around the corner.

Anonymous said...

I guess the two principles should not be left out of this as all actions were carried out in their names.

The worst offcourse being a much talked about and documented meeting at State House itself!!!

Joe said...

Me thinks we should have a tribunal similar to the Rwanda one to try these people. We can have it hosted in say... Rwanda or TZ.

b-carotene said...

e-copper: I dont dispute what you say i just think it could be better thought out.

Even though 10 names of ringleaders (verified or not) are named, that does not blot out crimes by others, which must be addressed as well. Killing, raping, maiming my neighbor and burning his/her house is a major infraction on all fronts.

It matters little to me whether the names of dead perpetrators come first or last. What counts is they (and all others) are in. The bigger task, which the Waki commission may have done part of already (hence the names in envelopes), is to sort out the alleged crimes and to weight them according to specified criteria.....transparently too...awaiting prosecution by whatever authority.

Meanwhile, this might drive many of you to varying levels of excitment:
Obama and Odinga campaign in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0
There's plenty more where that came from.

Ivy said...

Maybe a starting point Can we be told who ordered the deployment of APs to Nyanza and other zones and why? Coz definately it wasn't a peace keeping mission.
Evidence to me is minutes of the meeting that was discussed in statehouse showing what was discussed and who was in attendance (verbatim) and before we go further let us know who allowed the meeting to be held there in the 1st place (coz i mean statehouse is not an NCBDA toilet that you pay and you are allowed access)
If Ruto, Kones, Bett, Laboso and etc said what has been alledged then can someone substantiate that?

And like i said these stuff i have heard them in whispers on the streets from whom? Nairobians just as in KK who i believe were not anywhere near those places.

Let us separate facts from fiction.

E-Cop

I am on cloud 9...On top of the world

Kimi Raikkonen said...

Is it not curious the Kalenjin leaders are now so furious with Raila that they want a meeting with Kibaki after Raila called for the "full implementation" of the report? The following is excerpted from the ODM Newspaper, the EA Standard:

"....outraged ODM MPs from Rift Valley criticised Raila’s stand, saying it appeared the PM and Deputy PM Mudavadi — who has also spoken strongly on the report’s full implementation — were settling scores with "likely political competitors".

"We know what is going on and those shouting loudest for the implementation of the report think their competitors have been incriminated," said Eldama Ravine MP Moses Lessonet.

He said Kenyans fought because of the presidency, which Raila was contesting last year, and "it was wrong for him to sacrifice his foot soldiers after attaining a portion of power".

"It is sad that Raila is spitting at the people who thrust him where he is now," he said.

"All the claims bandied around are meant to discredit leaders from the Rift Valley and we are surprised that Raila is supporting it passionately," said Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto.

Also speaking out as the Rift Valley MPs retreated into a closed-door meeting last night was Rongai MP Luka Kigen, who said it was ironical that Raila and Mudavadi were turning against the people who heeded their calls for mass action the presidential poll results were "stolen".

"The protests were called by the two top ODM leaders and must be held responsible. The comments they are making are irresponsible and we believe they are personal," he said.

Others were Kipkelion’s Dr Magerer Langat, Mr Joshua Kutuny (Cherang’any) and Mr Benjamin Lang’at (Ainamoi).

"We are supporting President Kibaki on his calls for amnesty. We cannot tolerate more attempts to divide a country that is already fragile. On this matter, Raila and Mudavadi are wrong and we support Kibaki, who we will seek audience with," said Kutuny.."

This is very interesting indeed. Looks like the Kalenjins are about to break with Raila for good and jump into bed with Kibaki. Is it possible? Maybe. We shall wait and see.
If it actually happens, then ODM as a party is cooked, and will most likely become a party of Luos, Maragolis, Marachis, Manyalas and Wanyores. This will immediately manifest itself in parliament where Raila's position as PM could be in danger. Ruto could strike a deal with Kibaki to support him in parliament without Raila's say so in exchange for doing away with the Waki report, and possibly the collapse of the GNU with Raila walking out. Very possible as we have seen it all before. Also, don't be surprised if Moi comes out to say i told you so to the Kalenjins.
What a laugh it would be if the GNU collapsed! We said it here before that tribal alliances for short term goals will get you nowhere.

b-carotene said...

And can we be told who ordered the killing of those APs? The reason they were deployed has been stated, unless you can prove they werent deployed on the peace-keeping mission.
Who ordered the killing of the APs is also quite intriguing. Might it be the one dangerous man (yes, THAAT one)who said that he has details of the registration numbers of the vehicles, the time they left nairobi and so on.
The minutes of the so-called statehouse meeting would make for fascinating reading as well.

Here's some reading that really annoys, but its out there too:
Proof Obama backed RUTHLESS, foreign THUG: Set up direct Senate contact for Kenyan opposition leader
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2103113/posts

b-carotene said...

I dont know whether Kalenjins breaking up with the Bumpkin is a good or bad thing. I dont even care about that; doesnt tickle me either.

What I do know, and as I mentioned in an earlier post, is that they Kalenjins (unlike others further to the west)are worth talking with CLOSELY for very obvious reasons. It is a most pragmatic interest.

Vikii said...

edward 1.07, did you ask me to pick a side? Well, I am sure you know where I stand. I have never had time for murderers regardless of who they are.

I am not an apologist for Hon Kalonzo, but if you truly want to know on which side he is , well I will tell you. He has no connecion whatsoever with a belief system that advocates for killing of those who do not support your political cause. He is definitely on the side of those on whom violence was unleashed (by lunatics on the payroll of some people you guys like to call leaders).

Now do I believe he should stand up and be counted? Oh yeah. I wish he could summon the courage to not just wholly emrace the calls for the implementation of the Waki recommendations, but also to look both President Kibaki and Raila Odinga in the eye and tell them the truth; 'You are both murderers and you know it.'

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

Kimi,

You have brought out a very interesting theory, that for all intents and purposes, will probably come to fruition. However, this action with further entrench impunity in Kenya. What is to stop me, or you, or any other Kenyan with political ambition to use violence as a means to get into Government??

God help us all!!

b-carotene said...

Vikii:
It beats me how anyone can call Kibaki a murderer :(. I'm really quite puzzled. Kindly offer a more nuanced explanation of why Kalonzo Musyoka to look him in the eye and call him a murderer. With the Bumpkin that fine.

There is no evidence of Kibaki running around inciting individuals and groups to kill the adui as did his partner, the Bumpkin. I am quite puzzled.

And who/what is the government, anyway, what was its capacity? Lest you walk down that path?

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

"70 year old Mzee Joseph Mwangi Macharia (Karobe) watched as seven members of his
family were hacked to death – his wife, three sons (aged 36, 33 and 23), one daughter
(aged 25), a grandson (aged 6) and a granddaughter (aged 6). He narrated his ordeal as
follows:
On 31st December, 2007 at about 5 p.m., he had a family get-together in his house at
Chagaiya village in Kesses location, when a group of about forty young people, among
them his neighbours, struck. They said they wanted five heads from that house – his
and his four sons’.
As he pleaded for mercy one of them struck his son on the chest with a club and
another shot him with an arrow as he tried to escape. Another son was pierced with a
spear and his throat was cut. The rest of the family tried to hide inside the house but it
was broken down and they were pulled out. His daughter and her child were pulled out
and their throats were slit. So was his wife’s throat. That is when Mzee Macharia
escaped into a nearby bush and watched as his house was set on fire. He stayed in the
bush until the following morning.
In the morning he went to a nearby AP camp where he collapsed and became
unconscious. Three days later he was assisted by the APs and neighbours to dig a
shallow grave where he buried his family before moving to an IDP camp in Limuru.
They were only exhumed on 28th April, 2008 and given a decent burial.
Mzee Macharia knew at least 14 of the assailants and recognized them during the
attack."

These idiots have to pay!! Warr???? The Hague to all of them!!

Kwale said...

This post has failed to produce any kind of fireworks. There is nothing new on that KNHCR report people don't know about.

Kimi,
For the very first time, I support Raila. If Kibaki decide to go with amnesty calls, then I will campaign hard for Mr. Odinga. I don't care who Raila is, but if he is calling for full implementation of Waki's report and prosecution of perpertors of post election violence, then he got my support. Those wobbly RV MPs are behaving like a cat on a hot tin-roof and rightly so, there is no more Arap Moi for indemnification, only time will tell how long they will continue to escape justice.

We should not encourage human rights violations in the name of forging tribal alliance!
For goodness sake, we are living in 21st century, why do we feel the need of tribal allegiances?!

Joe said...

b-carotene,

Here's some reading that really annoys, but its out there too

You fall for this?

Joe said...

Folks,

Fact: There were killings in 1992, 1997 and 2007.
Fact: There were no killings in 2002
Fact: There is a report about the 1992 and 1997 killings, the so called Kiliku report.
Fact: Those implicated in the Kiliku report were never prosecuted.

The RV MPs were acting in the premise that the government will appoint a commission whose report would never see the light of day, just like the Kiliku one. This is what impunity breeds.

Like i said earlier, me thinks we should have a tribunal similar to the Rwanda one to try these people. We can have it hosted in say... Rwanda or TZ

If we do not implement Waki's report, i am afraid the future will be bleak for this country.

Anonymous said...

Ngunyi Ngunjiri,

This is a depressing reading. Where did you get the stuff from.

Phil said...

I have been telling people here that ODM was a mass movement that picked up all kinds of membership last year and indeed some unwelcome characters found its way into the party.

Hopefully, the forthcoming grassroot elections will act like a sieve and allow those of us who stand for truth and justice to continue the journey.

Now that the Kwales of this world can see what we have been preaching here since time immemorial, please take time and project how the Kriegler and the Waki reports will become useful to this country.

The reports and their aftermath have educated the Kenyan voter. Listen to any FM radio call-in program and you will deduce anger, frustration and foul mood from the majority of Kenyans.

Kalenjins invited themselves to ODM simply because they wanted a short-cut of getting back at Kibaki and Moi. As I am talking to you now, majority of Kenya's middle and lower class have appreciated Raila Odinga's statemanship and would be willing to cast their votes for him at any time. This is a man who is above ethnicity.

If you do not believe me; just wait and see how REAL POLITIK is played. Watch Raila's steps very closely from now on. Something big is cooking, even as Kofi Annan watches from Geneva - incidentally just a short distance from the Hague.

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

Anon @ 5.48

The material is from the Waki Report

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

Phil,

Spare us the 'grandioso' of RAO. The killings were done in his name, with his blessing. That was his means of getting to power. Period. The only reason he supports the full implementation of the Waki Report is because most, if not all, of his political competition will be decimated, not that he wants to do right by the country.

That said, at least he did not actively engage in war mongering, however, blood remains on his hands via his footsoldiers who will panda the Hague express!!!

On the larger scale of things, despite his motivations for the full implementation, I will support him. Heck, even if the devil was championing for these idiots to go to the Hague i would gladly support him!!

Kwale said...

Anyone read about the Nicaragua revolution of 1978-79, the revolution that helped to shape up Central America and the continent of America. It was fuelled by violation of human right. The Sandinista guerrillas, a coalition of National Patriotic Front crushed the National Guard and forced the president into exile.

The fascinating part of the Nicaragua revolution was that many of those (government officials) who fled the country seeking asylum in neighboring countries, later turned themselves in to the new authorities after the FSLN took power, on promises of amnesty. They were subsequently tried and many served lengthy jail terms.

This is what Kenyans should do!

Anonymous said...

From reading this report it seems to me that the kukuyu and the kalengin were at war and any other tribes got caught in it....The kalengins were mara fighting everyone, mara fighting everyone except indians(ironically) mara only kikuyus, mara kikuyua and luyahs.....the kalengins had a land issue that was not properly dealt with over time......funny thing in mo1's 26yrs he did not resovle it....

So I wonder where RAO comes in all this? The kukuyu had their fight over missmanaged land allocation by kenyatta. the other wars in other parts of kenya was just long standing hostilities that errupted because the whole country seemed to be at war...I'm sure some guys used the opportunity to kill rivals in business, or even love affairs....



My ponit is the rather far fetched argument that all this was incited and coordinated by the likes of RAO is bogus propaganda by people who for other dubious reasons did not wish him to ascend to the presidency......


And for the upteenth time Kibs allowed a feeling of tribal superiority to rise among his tribsmen that created a resentment that boiled into a war. Then the kikuyu are now talking of revenge attacks when they provoked everyone......lets begin this analysis at the proper place and not at the point where the evil actions started......You see the idea is to make it look like the violence was an election tool as opposed to being a reaction to the central bullying of the rest of kenya......

Central people would like to begin the story at the election period while we all know that this violence has a history that goes back to colonial kenya.

Sir Alex

Phil said...

Blogger Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...
Phil,
Spare us the 'grandioso' of RAO. The killings were done in his name, with his blessing. That was his means of getting to power. Period.


Mr. Ngunyi this is a very serious allegation indeed.

As far as I can remember Raila never instructed anyone to go and kill, maim, loot, rape or engage in other acts of felony. But I do remember making serious attempts myself to participate in the ODM mass action rallies in Nairobi. Was that a crime?

Unless you have concrete proof to back-up your assertions, I think it is only fair we do not politicize this post - if only for the memory of our country men who met violent and needless deaths simply because they cast their votes.

It basically does not aurgur well for those who died or those who remained to trivialize this report and those individuals who mastered it. Its either you supply authorities with proof and also publish it here or you quit peddling rumours and innuendos just because you have certain political persuasions.

Kwale said...

Phil, what evidence do you need?

They shouted "No Raila No Peace", re-read that phrase and try narrate it!

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

Phil,

This issue is already politicized, and for anyone who imagines that it is an attack on the 'integrity' or 'statesmanship' of RAO, then meza wembe!!

For all I care, supporting and active clamouring for majimbo, his presence in the now infamous rallies where a RV idiot called for removal of 'madoadoa' and his notable quiet in the midst of all the killings going on make him complicit, EVEN IF IT DOES NOT REACH THE THRESHHOLD OF PROOF!!

Agwambo is the biggest beneficiary of the violence that led to the formation of the GNU. In fact, this is why the Kalenjin are somewhat dissappointed in him. Knowing you, an agent to his cause, you will vehemently deny these allegations, which, for all intents and purposes, is your democratic right.

But please, insulting our intlligence by claiming that he was not even aware nor complicit, is just pure hogwash!!

Worse canbe said about The Baks, but that is not news is it?

May all those who were involved burn in eternal fire!!!

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

I think i got overwhelmed. No disrespect though.

Phil said...

Blogger Kwale said...
Phil, what evidence do you need?
They shouted "No Raila No Peace", re-read that phrase and try narrate it!


Kwale, how does they 'SAYING' amount to RAO committing a crime against humanity? What did RAO himself DO that can implicate him as a person?

Executing unarmed civilians, including women and children using police guns and bullets amounts to serious crime against humanity. I have no further need to NARRATE.


-----------

Predictably, Mr. Ngunyi, I can see you do not have credibility in your assertions. You are peddling rumours and are full of hatred (or something close).

Look at it like this, RAO as leader of ODM honoured his appointment with CIPEV. Kibaki as leader of PNU, ignored summons and also rejected requates for appointments to meet the commissioners. Does this tell you a story?

Another thing, RAO's only crime was to win elections after majority votes were cast in his favour. It goes therefore then, that the biggest beneficiary of the violence is none other than Kibaki. He lost elections, but he is still president exercising executive powers. ODM was not done a favour, they are in this government by right. As RAO keeps saying, it is not a love affair.

FYI: This is the last response I am according to you on the political topic.

b-carotene said...

Kwale:
What are you supporting? The 'mixed' signals?? Comon! Let the man take a stand--instead of speaking with his forked tongue.

Kimi Raikkonen said...

Kwale, B-carotene, Ngunyi. What i am pointing out is what will likely take place in current politics, not necessarily what i support. In fact,whether it is good or bad is hard to discern right now as the political situation is very fluid and tension is going to go up a notch very soon. We might even find ourselves in another January scenario. It is the unfinished business of now, as Martin Luther King would say.
My view is that we need to move away from ALL these politicians and forge a new Nation led by principled politicians. However, we all know what a daunting task that is given the suffocating hold tribalism has over everybody above 5 years old. Reprise to my call to look for a Kenyan Obama right here on KK, the idea was given short shrift in quick order, all because we live and breath tribalism. Perhaps we should just accept it and not fight it.
So lets sit back, folks, and have a good laugh, we are just mere spectators after all.

Ivy said...

What was so peculiar with the 2007 elections that warranted APs to be selectively deployed in some areas? Was there a preconceived idea that we the people of this gr8 country did not know about? What do some people take us for?

Enyewe i am outta of here...May i be woken after the dream is over

Ivy said...

Ngunyi Ngunjiri

What changed?

Kwale said...

Phil,
In that SAYING "No Raila No Peace" meant they killed in the name of RAILA!
He had the opportunity to appeal for calm and call upon his supporters to stop killings and all manners of evils; instead he distanced himself from the killings in RV saying he got nothing to do with it. Is that how a supposedly "leader" should behave?

B-Carotene, I am supporting human rights and dignity for all.

Edward said...

@Ivy,
Am disappointed in you and cynicism.Why are you pouring cold water on these reports?Do you notice the mood in Kumekucha for once is non-tribal and non-party based?Kenyans are fed-up of these murderous masquerading as leaders.So stop your fence-sitting and pick a side.Ooops,you,Gumo,Rift valley MPs,Central MPs have already chosen to defend MURDERERS!

@Vikii,
Glad you are on the side of Kenyans.Yes Kalonzo needs to be man enough and say it as it is.Loudly and clearly.This is no time for sugar-coating it!

@Phil,
I notice you have chosen not to pick a side.You have otherwise chosen to give us ODM propaganda and praise Raila.Frankly we do not care.Its very simple.MURDERERS and KENYANS,pick one and do not pretend to speak for Raila,he has no idea whether he is coming and going,he has proven to be a typical politician on this issue,mara prosecute,mara forgive,mara South african way.

We all agree that this IMPUNITY and MURDEROUS WAYS have to end.So question is how do we get to the international media(kenyan media is too compromised),international bodies both african and worldwide to press for prosecution of these WAR CRIMINALS?How can we use the internet or even Kumekucha(if Chris isman enough) to rally Kenyans behind the TRIAL AND POSSIBLE PROSECUTION of these WAR CRIMINALS?

For the sake of our country and our children and those who were massacred we need to address this MURDERERS once and for all.If it means the goverment collapsing let it be.

We cannot treat CANCER with PANADOL!ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!Everyone should carry their own cross.Hakuna cha sijui my tribe is been prosecuted,we are been finished....anyone who has read the Waki report cannot talk of forgive and forget unless you were one of the MURDERERS!

kalamari said...

Not to take away the seriousness of this list but do any of you find the nicknames of some of these fellows interesting? There’s a chap called ‘Brother Jew’.

Anyway, what does this list tell us? For one thing, the perpetrators, participators and to some extent financiers are none other than Joe the plumber. These are regular folks, your neighbors and teachers. This confirms that psychological experiment suggesting all of us are capable of inflicting extreme pain to others in the presence of certain conditions. Basically, we can all kill without flinching during war time.

So what I’m I getting at? Well, the violence in Kenya occurred due to the presence of an optimal environment for war. I mean there were constant variables such as hate, availability of weapons, suspicion, illegitimacy, anger, jealousy etc from all quarters. 99.99% of Kenyans were generally pissed off. So war happened.

Simple math suggests that war can only be avoided by diffusing its optimal environment; some of the above variables must be removed. So the question is, what has the coalition government done to diminish the atmosphere of war? Nothing. Even Kivuitu is still there. The hate is intensifying. Militias are on an arms race.

So what exactly will stop the next pre/post election violence?

b-carotene said...

Sir Alex:
Because wewe ni mu-clever sana....Why is it that the violence is pegged to election years? Why not in-between the election years? Who talked about kabila adui? Who asked his people not to touch the Kissii, their brothers? People have been wide awake for a while now.

Joe:
No I dont buy it--its just a vidid reminder of how Raila maniacs operate--fabricating rumors and lies to further their dubious goals.

Kimi:
Point well taken.
I have no doubt that ODM will shatter into smithereens and self-destruct eventually. There are signs currently. It is my hope that no one establishes an alliance with well-noted murderers looking to escape their just deserts in the Hague. Many are already deeply aggrieved by the hints at amnesty.

Phil said...

Kwale,

Please DO NOT confirm our worst fears. I am not sure if you understand how a judicial tribunal or a court of law does its work.

All institutions that have conducted investigations into the violence have not come to the same weird conclusion as you.

You attempting to pass judgment on RAO on the basis of what the demonstrators chanted in the streets, and even that (what they said)is not really admissible as evidence at any legal forum.

Let us debate facts. eg. Who hired militia? Who transported militia? Who hosted militia? Who met and planned raids? Who financed militia? Who bought crude weapons to arm militia? Who commanded police to shoot and kill? Who declared ODM rallies illegal and barricaded Uhuru park?

NOT - Who demonstrated? What did they print on placards? Who called for mass action to protest stolen elections?

Get the drif Kwale?

Ngunyi Ngunjiri said...

Phil,

I am not peddling hatred. I just want justice. It is unfortunate that, if, for example, I had decided to enjoy a holiday at say Sirikwa Hotel after casting my ballot I would either be dead, maimed or traumatized. It is sad indeed. Therefore, for me, it is personal. I may get carried away from time to time, but reducing me to the category of a hater, no!

Whether you want to accept it or not, they killed in RAO's name, as Kwale correctly pointed out. His loud silence during those chants is a clear pointer. Furthermore, RAO was already shafted when The Baks swore himself in. As at 30th DEC 2007, the instruments of state power were in his hands. Therefore, the only option Agwambo had was an escalation of the violence so as to form a basis for a ceasefire negotiations AKA The peace accord.

In fact, were it not for the killings, and not the demonstrations, business would have been as usual in terms of running Government. Heck, even half the cabinet was appointed! Therefore, your assertion that the beneficiary of this violence was The Baks is just but an attempt to advance ODM propaganda.

It can be alleged, on basis of tribe, that I am in support of The Baks. Actually, I hold him personally responsible for the skirmishes that occured in January, simply because he failed in his primary role as the office holder of the Presidency to unify the country. The Presidency is a symbol of national unity and pride, but during his tenure it became, either as a matter of fact or perception, a cause of strife and disunity.

I agree with Kimi, we should look for a new leadership as this one has failed us and will continue to in future.

The Hague awaits for all those idiots who planned this!!!

Ivy said...

Edward

I dont remember pouring water anywhere and i also dont want to pour fuel. I have no evidence whatever i am dealing with at the moment is hearsay.....I just dont fuata upepo. I dont remember me writing anything in my comments that you hang or dont hang. So you can't put me in the same bus with Gumo, Kibaki nor Raila Ama?

Anonymous said...

kalamari your right n the money......if we honestly look into what created the conditions for war then we can at least keep it off....but apportioning blame to people just because we hate them will only lead to more senseless wars.


kenya was ready to go to war many yrs ago owing to the oppresion of the people by the subsequesnt governments and the likes of RAO thought that mare reason will get people to do that right thing but other clowns joined in and did their thing......


The other question is what was the alternative? I'm cock sure RV would have happily gone to bed with central under the right terms...and sit on the rest of kenya.....its is reasonable to argue that in kenya there is a strong feeling that a few tribes can gang together and oppress the others....


it is not just a central thing.....we need to get to the bottom of this and find out why that feeling prevails and sort it out once and for all otherise we are jut playing a rather dangerous version of musical chairs....

That is the reason that some of us support majimbo so that no community can blame the others for its woes......and every community can negotiate its relationship with others in civilised way...

Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

Chris
Sorry guy:)

Maina Kiai's was discredited by the Waki Group and that is why it was not published... Most of it was hear say..and names added to it curtsy of Martha Karua and group!!

Facts: Maina Kiai and team were given death threats by Mungiki and some government personalities to change the list and add names for some ODM Members of Parliament and that was why the list was discredited to say the least their list did not mention"Kibaki" anyway for giving the shoot to kill order...

Chris I'm shocked and surprised that you would use Maina Kiai list here to cause Havoc when the list is full of holes and untrue...

Get your facts right before you peddle lies that your thugs in PNU have passed on to you...

My understanding Martha Karua released the Maina Kiai report to some people to Publish it since her name is not on it..

MARTHA KARUA FACTS ARE (in Waki report ) arranged for the meetings with the Mungiki at Statehouse!! and those are some of the facts in the waki report.. she is part of the group of ten...

That means Chris(Kumekucha) you have been bought and I will proof it when the Waki list is out...
the list has 10 names of Members of Parliament plus Business and elite people that adds up to more than 20 names....

Chris I'm very disappointed in you and Kumekucha....

What exactly or how much were you paid to post falsehood on kumekucha?? were you that broke?? or many hungry...

I WILL PROOF YOU WRONG WHEN WAKI REPORTED NAMES ARE OUT and that will proof to all bloggers on this site that you are a bought kenyan... I hope then people will be very careful of what you post here....
Chris you are an embarrassment to Kenyans.... Maina Kiai we all know sold out to the kibaki PNU party before he left office...

Ask some of his team... what names he added to his list.. many are talking freely and that is why the Waki team rubbished his report.

Anonymous said...

Chris

The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)

Had 3 different documents on the clashes- the first list Maina Kiai refused to publish but produced it for the US and British governments when he traveled abroad and that is why Visa's were denied for some MP's and we know who...

second document was watered down and removed some government(PNU) Bigwig names(facts)

Third Document - now this gets very interesting names were added from ODM party and that is why KNCHR document was not published or passed on to the Kenyans..

My friend was in USA with Maina Kiai and Njoko -the list Chris you have published here is not the same Maina Kiai carried with him abroad!!I wonder why??

and I would be very interested to know where you got this document and list of names from -my friend says this was the 3rd document form The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)which was doctored by PNU and NARC-K.

I'm in agreement with anon8:06 AM
Chris can you tell us where you found this false document and why before checking facts you posted it on your blog?? I think as a kenyans citizen who would like the truth to be told regarding what happened and people involved, you should check your information from your informants.

I advise you to ask them for the first document that was compiled by (KNCHR)the same one Maina Kiai handed out when he was abroad during the clashes to redeem yourself Chris or your blog will definitely loose respect, peddling lies or in accurate information is not the right way to run your blog. I rest my case

Anonymous said...

b-carotene @7:49
The unfortunate reason as to why violence seems to crop up only during the election period is partly because thats the only time the electorate appears to engage with the politicains in any menaningfull way......Thats the only time they seem to listen to the greivances of the people....



kenyan politicians being who they are will make all sorts of rediculous promises its so happens that thanks to kibaki allowing a central 'natioanlism' to grow then the in thing became 'who shall stand for us' meaning the respective tibes......all needed a 'kibaki' to lead them to their promised land...so in short the politicains where just being 'fashioanble' the fashion having been set by central....that sir is how it works.RAO was right in calling central kabila adui but that is no death sentence cetral withought necesarily saying it frm a pulic platform acted like the rest of kenyans where adui or worse.......

Had kibaki effectively killed tribalism the politicains would have had to look for something esle to champion maybe promise kenyans US citizenship...but Alas kibs created a fertil environment for tribal jingoism.....it was his card to play and he goofed......


pls do not forget that all tribes original voted for kibs it was him who failed the people.....and that was election time too nobody went killing the kikuyu in 2002. Ask yourselves why.

I think that central people are having a hard time admitting that after kenyans from all walks of live unanimuously gave one of yours sons the leadersgip mantle you went a head and tried to make fools of us all.....thats the long and short of it.....the rest is freedom of speach...


Sir Alex

JEFF said...

Chris,

I think there is agreement that the KNHR list reflects what is on Waki's list. I also notice that no one has come to the defence of anyone listed here. Again, Chris, that we now know the truth, is it not time for justice?

Before we go to the Hague i propose some basics.

1. The cabinet as it sits is a fraud. Kibaki should dissolve the cabinet immediately and constitute a new one with people not mentioned. We need a fresh set of untainted cabinet ministers.

2. All those mentioned in any report on PEV should resign as minister, mp or civil servant, etc. If they fail to do so they should be forced to leave and banned from occupying public office.

3.Meanwhile the AG should immediately open criminal cases against these guys. The bench should be composed of judges appointed by the AU and given a time limit within which to dispose all cases, using a mixture of kenyan and international law. As Waki has indicated, he is not at ease with the Kenyan justice system.

As some commentators have rightly pointed out, amnesty or TRC is NOT the way to go as we will just be burying our heads. We have this unique opportunity to finally solve the problem of impunity.

Anonymous said...

anon8:34 AM

Jeff??

Which list??? there were 3 list made by
The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)so which is the accurate one?? Like bloggers have mentioned here- we need to see the list Maina Kiai took abroad with him!!it is not this one, we are told let Chris post that list here- let us not peddle untruths here and nobody i have chatted with at KNCHR refutes that they say there were three list.

Anonymous said...

Chris
Go ask Maina Kiai former chairman of
The Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR)to give you the main list. the one he used to deny Members of parliament Visa's for causing clashes that is the list and document Kenyans would like to see.

Kwale said...

Phil,
I don't get the drift!
Because the truth of the matter is, Raila could have stopped the killings; instead he played them down comparing them with football matches rivalry. (I have a video of him being interviewed by about the violence) If he is the leader you claim he to be, he could have appealed to his supporters to stop the bloodshed!

Note: I did not lose anyone in that violence and I do not intend to live in Kenya at anytime in my life not even in my old age pension, but I feel obliged to campaign against killing of innocent people in the name of politicians.
RAILA IS NOT A MESSIAH!!! Get the drift?

I have now CONFIRMED your worst held fears!

Anonymous said...

1. The cabinet as it sits is a fraud. Kibaki should dissolve the cabinet immediately and constitute a new one with people not mentioned. We need a fresh set of untainted cabinet ministers.
.....................

Kibaki sets a cabinet as who? He is tainted for crying out loud. Even if for nothing he encouraged violence by letting people use the state's boardroom, or was it sitting room it even could have been the bedroom and when the idea was coined i bet he said yes let us deal with these kubafu's mavi ya kuku, UK is not going down alone. We can bet on that

Anonymous said...

jeff
what we needed is a genaral election withought the guys involved...kibaki is part of the problem he did nothing when central tribal superiority grew like a monster...infact his negligence is the genesis of this whole mess...

Sir Alex

kalamari said...

Sir Alex,

But that’s our predicament. How do we not apportion blame when such a list exists? If you agree with me and being as politically vocal as you are, chances are that if you lived in Mathare North or Kibera during the height of the violence, it is very likely that your very own name would be on the list. Even Cardinal Njue blessed some ‘warriors’. It is not very difficult to feature on such a list. Just ask ‘Mzee Pilot’. He owns a bar in Huruma.

Now in a country where there’s no justice, how does the list reconcile us? What it surely does is provide us with a death list. So let’s say we kill everybody on that list, will we be appeased? The answer is NO. For one, the argument of whether that list is complete or not will never end. I for one think Martha Karua should be listed in capital letters. I’m sure you want to see Raila there and Vikii will do his best to ensure Kalonzo is never mentioned. Point is, the list will take a life of its own. It will never be completed and will never satisfy our thirst for justice.
And even if we actually complete the list to everyone’s satisfaction, then comes determining which crime is lesser than the other. Making tea for thirty warriors cannot be compared to buying petrol that burns hundreds in a church…..but they are both financing the violence.

So yes, we want to frog march these chaps, including ‘Brother Jew’, to The Hague. I for one will see heaven when Kibaki is in the docks. But then what? Will Mungiki voluntarily disband? Will the Kalenjin warriors desist from oathing? Even reading the discourse here shows that Kenyans with access to computers are still drunk with partisan violence. What of the villagers?

This reconciliation business is not really working.

kalamari said...

....and another thing, can we stop arguing about the different versions of lists. Even list in the famous envelope handed to Kofi is not complete if it does not include……

That’s how they do it. First they give us an election; we fight, we tire, we relax. Then they give us a list; we fight, we tire, we relax. Then they give us a revised constitution; we fight, we tire, we relax.

Then when nobody is looking, they give us an election again.

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Anonymous said...

NO RAILA NO (RUTO) TO HAGUE

In the battle for ODM supremacy, both Ruto and Gumo initially supported Kalonzo against Raila saying that Raila was un-acceptable by majority of Kenyans. Then suddenly Ruto changed and sided with Raila. Why?

While Kalonzo was willing to support Ruto's political agenda in the RV, he was unwilling to accept Ruto's idea of ethnic cleansing of Kikuyus out of RV. Aware that Akambas have settled in large numbers in Kajiando and Coast, Kalonzo was adamant that everybody should have the right to own land anywhere in the country regardless of tribe.

Unlike Kalonzo, Raila (whose tribesmen don't buy land outside their Luoland) was willing and eager to side with Ruto on the Kikuyu issue of owning land in RV. And Ruto was happy to switch his support from Kalonzo and lend his support and that of RV to Raila in his delusional quest for the presidency.

That is why Raila enthusiastically and ably went about selling his majimbo in RV. By that time, the Kalenjins already new that Majimbo was a code word for Kikuyu (and Kisii) ethnic cleansing. Long before the "sangari" and "madoadoa" were used to label Kikuyus in the RV, Raila had already sang his "kabila adui yetu" song across the breadth and length of RV to wildly cheering mammoth crowds.

It was a matter of time before the blood of the madoadoa, sangari and kabira adui yetu was shed. And when the elections were bungled, the opportunity the bloodthirsty barbarians were looking for availed itself.

So if the Hague Express has a seat reserved for Ruto, where is the one for Raila, the captain and patron of ethnic cleansing?

Anonymous said...

kalamari
In retrospect it is fair to say that in 2002 kenyans showed a high degree of maturity in electing kibs. It is also fair to say that tribal animosities and such have always existed in kenya, what was new was that a sitting president appeared to allow one tribe to 'sit' on the rest of kenya.

So it shuold be fair to say that one man kibaki Emelio should shoulder the blame. He was president with all the unhealthy powers that the the president of the repulic of kenya enjoys and he let things get to where they did....he is the main cuplrit.

He should be the first to hang then we can have a general amnesty for all.


He can argue that he was not in control as he was sick....and such but kenyans will realise that electing the wrong person can be very costly......M01 for all his stupity did not turn this into a tribal couldron that kibs did.....

I would like to argue that we got where we did not because we are tribal, we have always been that, not because we hate kukuyus, kenyans have actually admired them, not for RAO, that guy has been disliked by many people including many luos,....the list is long.... we deteriorated to a banana republice because of one Emelio kibaki's lack of direction, squandering public faith and abuse of government machinery by his cronies.

Sir Alex

Anonymous said...

Waki Report is so flawed!! who is to be held responsible for the Slaughter in Mt. Elgon??? Kwani this waki people think Mt. Elgon slaughters were not important and this were done by the Army and the Police force.... wacha being selective...

Rift Valley should demand Saitoti's and Kibaki's head on a gold platter

They ordered the slaughter of thousands of youths in Mt. Elgon

WHERE IS THAT REPORT?? WHO KILLED MY NEPHEW AND CUT OFF HIS TONGUE?????( he was only 16 years old)

Anonymous said...

Many of us most likely do not understand the idea of Sir Alex that unless we get to the bottom of what afflicts us Kenyans most of our political problems will continue to take new dimensions.

Why I am saying this? I don't understand how many people would want us to believe that the word "adui wetu" was the beginning our tribulations. Historical accounts would confirm that there is no community that have shown disdain against the Luos as the Kikuyus. Luos have always lived peacefully with other communities and even the evidence from the last post-election violence confirms this fact. I know the only thing they are known for is being overtly proud, which is not a crime purnishable under Kenya law. But if we start digging in the past we would find that Kikuyu's have said or insinuated things against Luos that would create a serious conflict (I know this from experience). On the contrary Luos have always extended brotherly hand, which sadly has mostly been burned.

What happened in the RV was purely an affair between the Kikuyu and the Kalenjins which had nothing to do with RAO because it has happened before last year's election. Sadly this time it was aggravated by the fertile negative political environment fomented by none other than Mwai Kibaki. Had the President managed the country with a fair hand we won't have gone through a similar experience as we saw after last year's election. Most of us here have to understand that Kenyans have gone through similar treatments every other election to an extent that they became more disenchanted and thus the ugly outcome early this year.

I would like to conclude by saying that we need to go back into history to understand the root cause of our problems because they were not caused by RAO even though he may have added more fuel to the already raging fire during the campaigns. Just as someone said here, the Hague will not completely solve our problems or even electing a new brand of leader will either because some of these negativity have already been engraved in to the hearts of five year old kids. It will take generations to change that unless we start right now.

As Kenyans we are the problem and therefore unless we change our attitudes individually and as communities our problems will never end.

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Anonymous said...

Kibaki belongs to Hague..

Mutaua has never said anything worthwile,including the following




Govt. faults Waki Report
Written By:Collins Anampiu , Posted: Thu, Oct 23, 2008


Caption: Govt. Spokesman Alfred Mutua says the Waki report is misleading.


Government spokesman Dr. Alfred Mutua has faulted the Waki report, over what he has termed as blatant efforts to implicate President Mwai Kibaki in planning revenge attacks during the post election skirmishes.

Citing various pages in the report Mutua said the indication that power has been personalized around the president and increased by changes in constitution to suit the president are misleading.

Mutua introduced yet another twist to the debate citing sections of the report that allude to the president's involvement in planning revenge attacks in Naivasha during the post elections skirmishes.

In the report on page 121 concerning Naivasha revenge attack the report says:

"The commission has also evidence that Government and political leaders in Nairobi including key office holders at the highest level of Government may have directly participated in preparation of the attacks. Central to that planning were two meetings held in State House and Nairobi Safari Club in the run up to the election with involvement of senior members of Government and other Prominent Kikuyu personality." Mutua said

" Also note the report also says, key office holders at the highest level of Government may have directly participated in the preparation of the attack. The report uses the word may to show they are not sure that this actually really occurred. This is in contrast to the rest of the report which is conclusive in its allegations."

But Mutua said contrary to the report

The Government wishes to make the following clear:-

" 1. How can a meeting have been held in state house before the general election, say in September, October, etc, have planned for revenge attacks that had not yet occurred and which were to occur in January 2008. These allegations are not only logically untenable but ridiculous at best.

2. The President has never at any time held meetings with any person, to plan violence, at State house or anywhere else in the world. This wild allegation is being repeated so as to paint a perception that the President and State House were involved in post election violence.

3. Media editors and commentators should, in lieu of this, paint the right picture and stop riding on an agenda of casting aspersions at State House and in relation to the Presidency, based on flawed arguments.

4. We see this trend of assigning blame to President Kibaki, also on page 30 of the report, which says that

"Power has been personalized around the Presidency and this has been increased by changes in the Constitution under each President since independence"

This is untrue because in the five years of President Mwai Kibaki's first term, there was NOT single constitutional change." The Government spokesman noted.

The coalition government leaders have been split on the report as to what extent the report should be implemented amid differences over calls for amnesty for perpetrators.

Some members of the clergy however supported the report and recommended its implementation.

With the Cabinet expected to deliberate over the report the government has yet to come up with a collective position over the implementation of the report.

Anonymous said...

Criminals Abroad


Why leave out Misterseed and the Kiambu mafia in Uk who advertised any may have financed Mungiki?

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Anonymous said...

WAKI Commission

Kenyans paid for the Waki commission

They did the work given

Cant we let those mentioned get to Hague and defend themselves:

If Guilty- Thats it
If innocent, let them seek compensation

The way things are, this case will go beyong Kenyan's borders.

HAGUE WE COME

kalamari said...

Anon @ 11.18. Your claims are not false. A lot of money was raised from the Diaspora. Mostly in those ‘vernacular’ churches ( I call them dens) that have mushroomed everywhere in the EU and US.

b-carotene said...

Sir Alex:
Thanks for elaborating using your twisted logic, much of which is reflective of the hate that resulted in the mass slaughter, rape and maiming of helpless Kikuyu women, children and the elderly.

While I do concede that there MAY be some historical issues to attend to (eg the unlawful allocation of public land), the BIGGER problem for Kenya is how to nurture a spirit of enterprise and innovation among Kenyans in general so that problems of jealousy and hate, especially of the success of others, are pushed into the preiphery where they belong.

We need to find out what it is that makes some use the same resources available to all others (inspite of adverse conditions) in creative ways that magnify the gains (individual and collective)from those resources, while those around just look at them bemused, salivating and frothing at the same time?

These are indeed very serious issues, because if you do succeed to exterminate the easy target, the so-called sangari/kabila adui, the green eyes will turn and be trained on the wahindi and wazungu remaining behind.

I think all Kenyans of good will and intelligence, while focused on looking for our very own Obama from Tseikuru and places, should also expend some energies in trying to understand the origins of enterprise and innovation.

Anonymous said...

b-carotene you said
"We need to find out what it is that makes some use the same resources available to all others (inspite of adverse conditions) in creative ways that magnify the gains (individual and collective)from those resources, while those around just look at them bemused, salivating and frothing at the same time?"

The problem bedeviling Kenya has nothing to do with resource utilization and the so called enterprise that you are talking about. However, the gist of the problem lies with how we go about utilization resources and exploitation of available opportunities for prosperity.Take for example, if there is an opening to supply goods or services in say company X and say there are ten potential suppliers from ten different communities you would not be surprised that the choice supplier will be based on some level of nepotism. The point I am trying to make is that some of those negative undercurrents do magnify themselves into monsters such as what we experienced because some people feel that their livelihoods are threatened.

I know people like you still have this warped idea that lack of enterprising spirit is what is causing the inter-tribal conflict in Kenya but it is much deeper than that. You need to ask yourself whether the playing field is uniform and the players are coming from the same background. If I may ask have you ever asked anybody from these so called "non-enterprising" communities about their feelings or why they lack the enterprising spirit? I was expecting that for people like you to form such a strong opinion about other communities then you should have a tangible evidence in form of statistical data to support your sad theories.

If I am not wrong such statements as "non-enterprising" are just as bad as the hate that you were lecturing Sir Alex on. I would suggest that you search your soul before you make such divisive statements or stereotype others.

Anonymous said...

Taabu,

You need to come out from your hiding and clear your name with respect to the burning of Moi Univ lecturers's houses in Eldoret this past January. One of the lady lecturers can't sleep upto today at night because of nightmares; she sleeps during the day. These people did not deserve what you are alleged to have done (or aided and abetted) to their invested dreams.

You need to come out clear on this matter, please.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:32

What B-Carotene is saying is that some communities have proven to be more adept than others at modern commercial utilization of resources. Some people are more driven. That is a fact. It is also a fact that less successful people tend to be envious of the more successful ones. What is the matter in Kenya is that some politicians have found a way of manipulating that envy for myopic and delusional personal political agenda.

Anonymous said...

Amnesty for all is on the way.

Anonymous said...

There is only one thug who caused all this.

papa plus said...

b carotene,

I posed a question to you thusly;

If Raila was funning and flagging violence, what did the GK do about it?

Why wasn't Raila and ODM arrested?

No matter how hard to try to defend the Kibaki administration, the fact is that it failed to protect kenyan citizens by a wide margin.

I know some will place the blame for that on the Police commissioner, but the buck stops at State house with the president.

papa plus said...

b carotene,

I posed a question to you thusly;

If Raila was funning and flagging violence, what did the GK do about it?

Why wasn't Raila and ODM arrested?

No matter how hard to try to defend the Kibaki administration, the fact is that it failed to protect kenyan citizens by a wide margin.

I know some will place the blame for that on the Police commissioner, but the buck stops at State house with the president.

papa plus said...

You place your money in the bank and the bank goes bust and you loose your money. You find out that certain employees were misusing your money.

Whom to blame?

I'd want the employees fired and even jailed but at the end, you have to blame the director(s) and decision makers.

Hence I place the blame on the Kibaki administration. If ODM took part in the violence, then they should face the music. But Kibaki bears the responsibility of protecting the citizens. In this case he failed miserably. If Kenya was attacked by outsiders, I doubt that anyone here be they ODM,PNU would accept lax security.

My disappointment with Kibaki is that he takes a laise faire approach to the office of the president. He doesn't get the magnitude of the trust and responsibility placed on him. He treats it like a high school head boy office. The allegation that mungiki were hosted at state house is treason at the very least. And this type of thinking has permeated the entire GK, where the Police chief will call and ask for the release of thugs with no recourse. It is the culture of impunity and arrogance, the "mta do" culture. And that is a very sad fact in my mind.

UrXlnc said...

this is very encouraging

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/483348/-/tlh0q9/-/index.html

there should be no talk of amnesty. thats why there is rampant economic crimes and murderous gangs roaming and controlling kenyans and the resources.

even the "lesser crimes" should be well defined and punishable to a certain degree and no one allowed to go free

Joe said...

I think many of us here are missing the point - which is the difference between breaking the law, and just being immoral. Tribunals and courts like hague do not charge people for being immoral, they charge people for breaking the law.

Saying such and such people are not wanted in our forefathers land, or we want "our people" to have all the good jobs may be immoral, but its not against the law, and is infact protected by freedom of speech. Breaking the law is when you actually plan, finance and lead the violent expulsion of the "outsiders".

Those are people the law is looking for, but the immoral ones, like all human beings, will face a different judge (God) when their time comes.

RAO was immoral, but his name is not mentioned because their is no evidence that he broke the law. As for kibaki, he was immoral too - but the report hints that he may have broken the law too - when it mentions the state-house meeting that planned the killing in naivasha.

We can not force morality upon people, but to grow as a nation we must enforce the law - and all those found guilty of breaking the law by harming or organising the harm of other kenyans should all be punished, no matter who they are.

b-carotene said...

Anon @1:32 pm.
You make some very fair points which I would be hardplaced to dispute. I would also be the last to suggest that there is only one problem--it is more complex than that. Also, my tone and choice of language could be better and I am inclined to apologize.

But let's just focus on one important detail. When you look at the peasants (Kikuyu and Kisii) that were being killed and/or chased away--how did they look like? They seemed just as poor and as uneducated as their neighbors, only that some had begun the rather hard, sweaty path towards some kind of pretty basic accumulation. Ramshackle houses and dukas, tiny farms etc. So where is the privilege? I doubt any of them have ever heard of the words government tender or contract. The Kisii, also under attack, are even harder to explain using you argument.

Now, I think you should be extremely embarrased at intimating that because government tenders were not dished out to you, then you must kill the kikuyus and kissi because they were the recipients of the tenders. I hope you see the problem with that!

Baba/mama Moi's 24 years of economic destruction and doom did not see anyone going out hunting for the Kalenjin's heads. Indeed, what I know some peasants did for absence of government--they just simply organized, cooperated and did what they could to produce public goods for themselves eg grading roads or even paying teachers. They neither whined nor waited for a disinterested government.

Kenyans must move away from the kind of dangerous thinking that you propose--stretching out their begging bowls to whomever may drop something, whatever, into it. We now have CDF funds, Youth funds,and so on. Seize the opportunity, my friend and do take some responsibility for your own lives and destinies. I think I have heard even the Bumpkin say this several times.

Of course, and I agree with you that there is a role for the state. But I'm afraid it would be expecting too much of the state for it to do everything, including think, for you.

Anonymous said...

hands up for Charity Ngilu the bold lady that states facts instead of others who are beating around the bush!!

Ngilu asks Kibaki a direct question!!!

"""What was your role in chaos? Ngilu asks Kibaki""

http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1143997753&cid=4&

Anonymous said...

Why do some of these MPS prefer a Kenyan tribunal to the International Crimes Court???

Hague is the only way to get justice!!

Anonymous said...

What this report has done is no different from the pattni pick up load of evidence is to buy time and basically creat an unworkable situation just imagine trying to prosecute the cases our courts will be booked for the nxt 10 yrs.

In other words its a red herring. if we are serious we should get to the root of this.....depending on where you want to start(as in which yr.2002, 1963,) and deal with the key culprits.....

There are serioius issues in this country that we should face head on..like the taita peopel being largely squatters in their own land while the rest is owned by Criticos and Uhuru....who will fight for the landless taita...their leaders are given ministerial post to look the other way while they renain landless while we waste time on who paid 5bob to someone in the hieght of election fever to scare someonelse away......


My plea is lets tackle the big issues and the small fry will sort itself.....we run the danger of wasting time in courts on what I will call petty offenses while the real criminals are having a free ride in a fancy car.

Sir Alex

Kwale said...

While some of you have no faith in Waki's report, London Financial Fimes (FT) reported:

Since the days of Mr Moi, Kenya's leaders have buried their sins in voluminous reports and deferred the consequences of future generations.
Judge Philip Waki 500-page inquiry into blood spilt in the aftermath of last December's disputed election results could prove exception.

Read more on Kenya Special, a five page analysis on Kenya by London Financial Times.
(Unusual for that paper to carry out an intensive reporting into a 3rd world country)

http://www.ft.com/reports/kenya-2008

Anonymous said...

i have been reading your analyses and i must say that you guys make my day full of laughter.you see,prior to the release of the waki report,ODM and PNU were taking completely different ways.it really is funny because right now the rift side of the valley in the ODM are now embrassing kibs whom formerly they had swore to fight to hell.for real,in politics there are no permanent enemies nor friends.this politicians have for missused the innocent mwananchi and inciting against each other.i guese now the tables have turned and it is their time now to incite each other simply because the bug stops at the Hague.

Anonymous said...

THEY SAY HISTROY REPEATS ITS SEFL, IN KENYA IT THUS .IF RAILA SUCRIFICES HIS FOOT SOLDIERS FOR POWER, THIS WILL MOST LIKELY FORCE THE KALENJINES TO JOIN KIBAKI, AND FOR SURE ITS THE KALENJINE FROM BARINGO WHO WILL BENEFIT WITH MOI BLESSING, OF CAUSCE A PRICE HAS TO BE PAID FOR TO PLEASE THE PANU GOD AND THIS DEAL TO GO AHEAD, SO AS MOI SACRIFICED THE NANDIS AND KIPSIGIS TO BE ACCEPTED BY KENYANTTA AND MK. SO ITWILL BE, NANDIS AND KIPSIGIS WILL BE SACRIFICED BY KANLENJINES TO PLEASE THE PANU gods. AND RAIL WILL BE LEFT IN THE COOLD JUST HAS HIS FATHER JARAMOGI WAS DONE BY JOMO.This a lesson to all Kenyan Never go agents those who kill for you, they back stab you.

Anonymous said...

So many hundred percent innocent Kenyans lost property to extents that that they may never get back to the status they were in before these senseless incites.
Let there be a speedy process for all to pay for their deeds.

Anonymous said...

Hello Kenyans!
In my view there is something wrong with the commission, our leaders and kenyans (us). Wayforward all that happened did so and the best way to handle it is never to let it reoccur. We have a bright future ahead. to me what matters is the peace we enjoy.

I pray you forgive and leave the rest to the Lord above.

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