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Monday, August 18, 2008

To Cut Or Not To Cut, That Is The Question

AIDS. AIDS. AIDS.


We don't think about this scourge very much anymore because it's been with us for years, right? But for nearly thirty years the world's leading scientists have struggled to come up with a cure or a form of antidote that would slow down its devastating symptoms. The good news is, there has been a measure of success on the latter front. In most developed nations, AIDS is no longer an automatic kiss of death. In swaths of Africa, however, the march has been slower.


Yesterday I watched as Prime Minister, Raila Odinga, called upon the nation to embrace the cut. I have to assume his comments were directed at a certain group of people from the Lake Victoria region who still flee when they are confronted with the possibility of a knife kissing the tip of their.......fill in the blank. What was striking about his comments was the fact that he called for an act that was a radical departure from years of cultural practice. Was the Prime Minister saying that the scourge has been so devastating that a fundamental rethink of culture is called for? Was he bravely stating that radically new approaches needed to be part of the overall effort to combat the continuing scorched-earth effects of AIDS?


I come to this matter with the humility of a man who realizes that thousands of Kenyans have lost their lives, and many others, like me, have lost relatives and friends to this debilitating disease. Because of the horrendous effects of AIDS, and the impact it has on the nation's vibrancy, I agree with the Prime Minister that whatever can be done must be done to slow down this disease. We must also thank the hundreds of NGOs, churches, government entities and private citizens who have worked tirelessly to slow down the determined encroachment of this scourge.


But you'll have noticed that the Prime Minister went out in broad strokes. He said let's do the cut. I agree with him. But who should do the cut? The kids in standard one? Form One? College freshmen? Should a husband do it? How about a priest?


And by the way, do all Kenyan communities do the cut except those people from the lake who run away at the sight of a knife? In case you didn't know it, the Luos had their own form of a cut, only it took the six lower teeth of our forefathers. It was a measure put in place to fight what was called lockjaw disease. The premise was simple. If one was inflicted with the disease and their jaws locked, they could still be fed through that hole created by pulling down the six teeth. Wasn't that smart? That was Luo ingenuity.


So why did certain communities cut the foreskin?


Fellow countrymen, what the Prime Minister called on Kenyans to do must be seen in the context of his willingness to be pragmatic about the issues facing Kenya. New approaches must be embraced in order to fight diseases and other ills. Where tradition and culture stands in the way of saving lives and moving the nation forward, those traditions must be discarded for the good of everyone.


Lastly, I hope we are all smart enough today to ask the person we plan to marry to take a test. Don't walk that man or woman down the aisle until he/she slaps a medical record on the table that clears him/her of the disease. And for those who are in relationships, there is only one sure way to keep safe...integrity. Respect yourself enough to wait until you are married to take that beautiful woman/handsome man to bed. Is that easy to do? No, but you have years of togetherness after getting married, what would a little wait hurt?


So my friends who run away at the sight of a knife, take courage, look the knife in the eye and tell it you are ready to tango. Once that piece is sliced off, run with it to the lake and watch as the waves sail away with it. Or you may ask our friends from Sotik and Bungoma and Voi and Nyeri and Kangundo what they did with theirs.

86 comments:

Anonymous said...

oh please do shut up - so are you trying to say Uganda, Tanzania , Russia and Europe which also have been hit with aids all those people in those countries are not circumcised??

Get real?? an attack on Luo's for not being circumcised as being the cause of aids is nonsense let as look at the reports of aid's infected countries all over the world, I'm sure most of those people are all circumcised and yet they were all infected with the HIV -
To me it just shows how pathetic some kenyans are to shout loudly aids when I'm married to a guy from central province and we have already buried 6 relatives from his extended family who died from HIV.

Kenyans get real....

Anonymous said...

Mr. Odinga, the PM was right. Luos need to rise to the occassion and face the knife without fear. I think Mr. Prime Minister, the Hon Odinga should lead by example though. Let him face the knife and then give the rest of his community courage to follow suit.

Anonymous said...

Hey blame to to wakina mama njeri the kikuyu malaya's that go all over kenya spreading aids to unsuspecting customers!!

Kenyans stop thinking with your..... and remember what glitters doesn't mean it is good? kikuyu malaya's have been known to have been the main spreaders of aids all over kenya -

but wait... go to central suicide cases are ave been on the rise for a long time and why is that?? many central province people prefer hanging or killing themselves when they discover they have HIV and to proof my point start from Langata Cemetery and all the other cemeteries around Nairobi- full of kikuyu aids victims - who are never buried in their homes or village because of the embarrassment to the family - even in death they are rejected-


THAT IS THE KIKUYU WAY- UNDER COVER THINGS DONE IN THE DARK- NEVER ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN HAD HIT BY AIDS.... try going to Thika, Kiambu, Muranga, Nyeri especially Mathira e.t.c

Shocking hospital reports on aids patients of all ages..

Anonymous said...

Sam raises important questions. There are obviously other ways to fight aids, the cut being one. Is it an effective one? And why did other tribes cut before aids was an issue?

Anonymous said...

anon7:34 AM

Dick my ass shenzi wewe go tell martha karua to stop spreading her legs - passing on aids to everyone,

before you starting sing go tell Kibaki to go for HIV testing!!
You will find it is not Alziemer that he has but HIV?/aids that has spread and now affecting hos mushy senile brains

ask Dr. Gikonyo:) or you think that we kenyans don't know:)

I guess the Kibaki affair with Martha Karua produced a birthday baby for Kibaki called HIV ... cheers:)

b-carotene said...

Tackling culture is wrestling an elephant and the Rt Hon PM should be applauded. However the cut should not be treated as a panacea. It touches somewhat on the tip of the problem. Wife inheritance is something he should have talked about as well, including protected sex, the general status of women/girls, education etc. There is no one solution, but rather an assortment of things that can be done.
Then again, guess there must be advantages to keeping certain messages really simple.
I wonder, do non-Jewish mzungu's in the affluent countries cut? What are infection and death rates among them?

Anonymous said...

What was the practical significance of a cut in other Kenyan communities?

Anonymous said...

anon7:38 AM

Every tribe had it's ritual, but my question is this - how about all the other societies in the world
i.e Rusia the HIV is at high levels, are they not circumcised??


Here is the world ranking of Countries with most affect with HIV/AIDS - tell me are all this people in this countries uncircumcised????

or is it the kikuyu foolish skunk heads that like abusing other Kenyan tribes just to create tribal hatred???

Countries with the Highest HIV Infection Rates in the World
Rank Country HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate(%)
1 Swaziland 38.80
2 Botswana 37.30
3 Zimbabwe 33.70
4 Lesotho 28.90
5 South Africa 21.50
6 Namibia 21.30
7 Zambia 16.50
8 Malawi 14.20
9 Central African Republic 13.50
10 Mozambique 12.20
11 Guinea-Bissau 10.00
12 Tanzania 8.80
13 Gabon 8.10
14 Cote d'Ivoire 7.00
15 Sierra Leone 7.00
16 Cameroon 6.90
17 Kenya 6.70
18 Burundi 6.00
19 Liberia 5.90
20 Haiti 5.60

Mkamba said...

Anon 7:38, you cannot have a post here without Kikuyus. Even while you know all too well according to UN stats Nyanza has the highest rate of HIV infection and Central has one of the least. But you just don't like to be outdone by your Kiuks. Everything bad in your commnity you expect Kikuyu to have.

First, your culture is completely different. You inherit wives which I think is the biggest contributor to AIDS in Nyanza.
Second, you fuck the corpse to bide farewell to the deceased.
Third, when a woman give birth you immeaditely enter her to santify the womb and bless the child.
Then there is this obsession with witchdoctors.
And many other disgusting acts of demonic deprevation.

Your community need to live like human being not like demons.

Poa mimi ni Mkamba.

Anonymous said...

anon7:44 AM

what is worse wife inheritance or incest common with the kikuyu culture?? why kikuyu's believe that one child has to be conceived by someone else not the husband in case of a genetic disease- but what i don't understand is why in kikuyu customs it is common that a

father sleeps with daughter
Mother sleeps with son
Sister sleeps with brother
and as for first cousins that is normal - this has happened with some families we all know and the spread of aids hits the whole kikuyu family from father son mother sister, cousins

Sick sick sicko's

Most disgusting kikuyu customs ....

Anonymous said...

anon7:54 AM

Ha!!ha!! who is blaming any thieving kikuyu thugs and murderers???

better wife inheritance than incest my dear na mimi ni mukenya

Kikuyu's are the most filthy tribe i have come across imagine father sleeping with daughters?? Mothers spreading for their own sons:) uurgh what a culture
INCEST IN CENTRAL PROVINCE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A GENERATION...

GO TO JACARANDA SCHOOL OF DISABLED...WHO'S KIDS ARE THERE ?? KIKUYU FAMILIES AND THIS ARE KIDS MOSTLY BORN OUT OF INCESTS!!! GENETIC MISFITS....

Phil said...

Sam,

Raila's remarks were specifically addressed not just to the Luo but also the Teso and Turkana who do not practice male circumcision.

I do not know what gives you reasons to particularly emphasize on the Luo while attributing to the PM's remarks yesterday? Because of this misrepresentation, I can only see comments on this post taking an ethnic angle in what would otherwise have been a thoroughly debateable topic!

If I may ask Sam, does the PM's proposals be taken to mean that we are throwing the ABC's of HIV/AIDS out of the window? I hope not because that would amount irresponsible utterances by the PM. As a matter of fact, mass male circumcision carries its own risk particularly if the exercise is carried out on the basis of 'reducing HIV infection rates'.

It also did not escape my attention that the PM did say that the circumcision debate had taken a nasty political angle in Kenya. Does it mean he is succumbing to hate campaigns by the so-called 'superior/circumcised' men in Kenya?

To be honest with you Sam, the Luo culture remains one of the main attractive to other communities in Kenya. The food, their men, their women, their town Kisumu and even, believe it or not, their talk style/accent are the most sought after in Kenya presently.

Just visit Ranalo (Kosewe's) along Kimathi street and you will be surprised at who the main patrons. Just recently here, Vikii confessed his preference for Luo girls - I mean - who wouldnt? On the flip side, talk to any average Kikuyu girl, and they will tell you without fear of contradiction that she prefers a JANGO boyfriend/husband as opposed to those from their own heritage. As it is, Luo men are Numero Uno in 'looking after' the opposite sex. Does this tell us anything about the status of being uncut and with what some idiots here call smelly f***skin? Of course it does!

All the same, my own personal view is that given the conditions underwhich our youth are growing up, it will be wise to cut boys if only to reduce the risk. Please note the key word here is reduce - not eliminate! When it comes to adults who are already married, I think it is a matter of personal choice.

Anonymous said...

The Luos inherited wives, but it was to create community. They never slept with corpses...that's a myth. Enter a woman after birth? C'mon!

Mkamba said...

Anon 7.59, you know that is not true. There is no incest in central and there will never be. It's is in your head becasue you don't like to be outdone by Kikuyus.

Go get that smelly dickhead cut!!

Mama Njeri said...

Phil, if my daughter Njeri bring a Luo boyfriend at home, I would definately discourage her. For one simple reason your culture and our culture is totally different, and I hear all sort of myths about Luos.
Wife inheritance.
Sleeping with a mad person on the day of your husband funeral.
A man sleeps with his wife corpse before burial.

I hope this is just myth because its frightening and disgusting.

Anonymous said...

ABSTAIN

Phil said...

Mama Njeri said...
Phil, if my daughter Njeri bring a Luo boyfriend at home, I would definately discourage her. For one simple reason your culture and our culture is totally different, and I hear all sort of myths about Luos.
Wife inheritance.
Sleeping with a mad person on the day of your husband funeral.
A man sleeps with his wife corpse before burial.


Mama Njeri, what makes you believe I am a LUO? That is besides the point.

In as far as I know, the reasons you give for discouraging your daughter are just but MYTHS. For one I know that 'inheritence' of a widow means looking after her children and providing material support - not having unprotected sex with her.

I have not heard of any Luo sleeping with a corpse or having sex with a for cultural reasons and I do not think that practice exists....

I get the feeling you have been out of Kenya for a long time. Next winter, please visit Kenya and possibly Kisumu to see for yourself how much the town has become a metropolis. In actual fact, Kisumu becomes one of the few constituencies to elect a Kenyan of Asian origin as MP. If your daughter grew up in Kenya, I can assure you her first boyfriend would probably be a lad from the lakeside who are in effect the hot cakes of dating in Kenya. I cannot tell what they do that other men do not do.

Vikii said...

Sam, I applaud your courage.

What really confounds me is this; Must you guys be told what to do by politicians? So you guys are going to continue inheritting wives until Raila Odinga stands up and tells you it is wrong? This is outright pathetic, Sam. It is also not lost on me that you (Sam) being one of those we expect to provide leadership to a community that is lost in the wilderness, you have summoned the courage to talk about this only after this politician has talked about it. I think we can do with some prayers here.

Phil, we all love Luo girls. We all love butt. But when you start heaping praises on the men, I shudder

Taabu said...

Culture and politics,
Well any keep blogger here must have seen it coming. Before you said cut the K/L debate displaced all else. I am not surprised but in the heat of the exchange we miss the boat by a river.

HIV is a scourge that must be fought with any available tool. The research on the cut-vs-AIDs may be inconclusive but worth a try if it can reduce the rate of infection.

The point remain AIDS is no longer the death sentence it used to be just over a decade ago. For those already infected have TREATMENT (no cure) and with good care of yourself you can live your life as good as any other provided you are ready and prapared for the less devil of side effects.

Reducing the whole debate to superiority of cuiltures practicing the cut is naive at best and outright ignorance/stupidity at worse. Circumcision is a cultural right that existed before AIDS and besides Muslims the practice is predominantly African.

You may have been cut with a HACK SAW but that doesn't make you immune to AIDS. Okello may have been overzealous with his analogy but his post is worth debating. Drop the myths and explore the facts. Only then will the debate get the justice it deserves instead of the exported bigotry mouthed from the streets of London and NY. Make no assumptions lest you end up embarassing yourself, indulge.

mama njeri said...

Phil, if you are not a Luo how come you know so much about them and what is this you know Luo men can do other can't?
Yes, I heard they are romantic which is nice but all women like to be pampered anyway. Beside that what else?? Political?

Thanks for inviting me to Kisumu, but are you going to guarantee me security in Kisumu given I come from the hated tribe?

By the way even in Murang'a where I originally come from I heard we have a Luo councillor, his name I believe is Oloo.

Sam Okello said...

What's up Phil,

It's good to know that the Prime Minister was talking to all Kenyan communities. Other than the Luo, I had no idea there were other communities that didn't cut. I learn new things everyday.

Culturally, I believe the Luo have a very vibrant culture, as do the Kikuyu, Luhya and all other communities in Kenya. I used to be friends with an Akamba guy in school and I learnt a lot about that comminity. Similarly my Kikuyu friends, and I had so many, taught me a lot about the workings of that culture.

It would be a great thing if we can see in all these cultures the fabric that keeps our nation weaved together. Is the Luo culture superior? I don't think so. Is the Kikuyu or Nandi or Giriyama superior to others? I don't think so. On the contrary all cultures grew out of a need to address some of the fears and issues they dealt with in the past.

Yes, culture must always remain dynamic. Whenever confronted with new situations, we must adapt. Does that mean we tweak our old belief systems? Absolutely.

So let's not be afraid of the cut. It's just one measure in an effort to control the spread of a deadly disease. To turn this into an attack on any community misses the point.

Vikii said...

Sam 9.18, and it's not even painful!

Anonymous said...

10% of all new HIV infection in Kenya is through gay sex.
Why not tell gays to use condom or change their lifestyle.

Sam Okello said...

Vikii,
9:27

I take your word for it.

Anonymous said...

I surely thought this cut thing was going to be informative...but all we have here is clueless hammers looking for a nail to hit.
Interesting statements like luos duck when they see the knife....any sensible person ducks when they see the knife and I'm sure in all cultures facing the knife was a act of bravery and that is what sorta gave it some status orthwise its nothing but male genital mutilation right up there with FGM.


Anybody with a smelly forskin just has poor personal hygiene....A cut penis should be strictly a personal choice....if sex was a once of thing then the cut could help, but since sex is nice and often repeated even condoms are just useful for a one night stand....anyone in a long term relationship with enough sex sooner of later slips.....Testing is far better.....If RAO has energy it should be to promote testing....nothing wakes you up like testing. Abstinance and testing.

Every African traditional culture has repugnant elements some practiced by ordinary people others by witches and wizzards...and if we look we can all make each other look bad, and we will be doing what the west has done, that is assuming that African culture is static and not open to development.

Many kenyans today have no cle as to what their cultural practices are let alone practice them.How we live today is our culture not what our forefathers did, and besides among the luo there are so many diferent cultural practices that to say that a certain practice is luo can be misleading as a guide to determine how a luo on the street would behave.

Some dunderheads here seem to be unaware that no culture is static at some point europeans wore skins and ate crazy stuff, but you would think that skin is an African attire and suites european......

If one can't get this basic stuff,...sijui niseme nini tena...

Sir Alex

Mwawile Bi'Tok said...

People, Phil is simply reacting from intense exposure. Today he even denies being a Luo. Maajabu ya Musa. Now that Raila has ordered all Luo men to face the knife or die, Phil is trying to deflect things here by posting Olympic news that's been all over the TVs, Internet for many hours. He is trying to ensure no discussion on the 'cut' progresses.

And then, he jumps from nowhere trying to promote a kiosk on Kimathi street. Wacha hiyo upuzi. Last I heard, it is Luos who are predominantly struggling to speak with British/American accents. Phil, please stop your diversionary tactics.

I'm not saying that Luos are lousy lays but they are no better than anyone else. The power of the dick is an individual trait. No amount of fish, githeri or chicken will give you an automatic boost.

So if the PM is going to advice on the cut, he must also address wife inheritance, sex for fish and general ignorance around the shores of lake Victoria. It's about time millions of condoms were dropped from helicopters all over Nyanza. If you think I'm lying, please visit Russia hospital. Nobody cries for the dead here. It's normal.

Before I finish, I must address the number one killer of Luo men: Intergalactic False Pride. I say this because you can search the entire universe and fail to find a group of people who have chosen to tightly bind themselves with absolute falsehood. Here, the PM tries to unintelligently reduce the spread of HIV, as he does so, suddenly exposed Phil focuses on the improvable sexual prowess of Luo men. By doing so, Phil is directly encouraging his fellow tribes men to jump into bed severally to enjoy their prowess. He has no foresight to see that by cheating himself and his friends, he is going against what his hero is trying to preach.

Seriously, how can we help our brothers from the lake? How can we push the powerless Luo council of elders to discourage wife inheritance and encourage condom use? How about the 'one partner at a time' philosophy? Must every Luo, the Phil version, prove their prowess by marrying four wives and sleeping with widows and any woman with a round onion butt?

Phil, wacha hiyo false pride. Ati Kisumu is for Luos. The reality is that very few Luos own anything in Kisumu. Most are renters. Even the most popular drinking pubs (most prominent business in a town of drunkards and ohangla dancers) are co-owned and financed by non-Luos. Even the matatu business is Kisii operated.

Phil, Kisumu has it's owners.

Mwawile Bi'Tok said...

As for incest in the Kikuyu community, we all know it's prevalent. Especially in poor slum areas like Mathare, Dagoretti, Mukuru-ini etc. This appears to be accepted by those societies.

FACT: Kikuyu fathers sleeping with their daughters is not a big deal. That of uncles sleeping with poor nieces is almost embraced in places like Thika and Kiambu. I do not think it's cultural. I think it's really about money and power. Again, this is mostly within the poorest of the poor. Lastly, of all cultures in Kenya, this is the only one where 'virginity' is not revered.

Anonymous said...

mwawile,

Very interesting observations. It's the second time someone has alluded to the practice of Kikuyu fathers sleeping with daughters. Is this true? And why was this done?

Anonymous said...

I agree with one anonymous who hints that many more people are not circumcised. I think out of most African countries and the Muslim world + muslims the rest of the world is basically Uncircumcised. Now Raila can play politics to finally put to close the question of his being circumcised but I think he should not drag an entire ethnic group with him in the name of fighting aids.

Anonymous said...

Mwawile,

You don't have to attack Phill. The brother is trying to educate those of us without TV.

Back to the post, to cut or not to cut, Raila should be cut live!!!!!!!!

Phil should also be cut live.

Vikii should be the one to cut these men.

Anonymous said...

If it's indeed true that Kikuyus practice incest, our leaders should condemn this. How can they stoop so low? Does Kibaki sleep with Judy?

Kwale said...

I cannot believe it, why should anyone get circumcised just because the PM say so? If its not in your culture why do it? You should do it cos you want it but not because your PM says so! So if he tell you to cut off your willy (dick) to stop AIDS at once will do it?

There is no conclusive evidence that a cut man is at less risk than uncut. In the western world almost all men are not circumcised but yet they are considered low risk if they are heterosexuals. You should never listen to these scientists, one moment they say this, next another and then contradict the whole matter.

Anonymous said...

i think the guys in this blog, those who post articles and comment have intelligence more or less equivalent to jerry springer show. average kenyans dont' have the hateful tribal venom that is emitted from this blog. You are all an embarrassment to Kenya as a country, good for nothings.

Shaddy said...

Kwale,

There's a limit to what concerned citizens can do to help the government combat AIDS. I think we can all act in good faith to slow down the killer disease. Does it make sense to cut? It may, that's the gist of this post by Sam. If anybody has evidence to the contrary, share it with us.

Hellen

Anonymous said...

I think this character, Mama Njeri, is the most obnoxious person here. I read your blog about advise on sex, even being the first to comment on your article on sex after childbirth.

On coming here, am finding out you might simply be educated, but just not wise. You make so many assumptions about an entire community then turn around and fight anyone who does the same to yours.

That said, I think there is a very bad notion that when males get the cut, it reduces chances. Yes it does, but no one is insisting that it will not prevent infection.

That said again, why can't someone take the cultural aspect out of it. I have many friends, including myself, who went through the cut at a clean hospital. That alone could make me not man enough to someone who was taken to the river at night with mud smeared all over them.

Call it a surgical process with no cultural connection. Luos don't become men just because now they are cutting to reduce HIV risk, they have been men all along!

Kwale said...
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Kwale said...

Shaddy aka Hellen, there is only one way to stop the spread of HIV infection and that is USE CONDOM or even better ABSTAIN.

Anonymous said...

anon8:03 AM

Do you want be to write a list of prominent kikuyu families who have children through incest - father and daughter, sisters and brothers?? and a some mothers who have given birth with their teenager sons??

Dare me you fool!!shenzi wewe-

Do you know the wine and spirit liquier store Down town Nairobi is it on Moi Avenue owned by a kikuyu family sons " David and John.....
the father slept with all his daughters and fathered babies who ended being placed at the jacaranda school -
Would you like me to mention their surname??? wewe shenzi sana
don't dare a person who is married in a elite kikuyu family with all the facts and details of central province kikuyu full blown incest- I can post here more families with facts plus the children's names for you to go and double check wewe jinga sana... kikuyu dickhead!

Anonymous said...

mama Njeri 8:14 AM

What is the point... Your daughter Njeri already sleeps with her father the kikuyu incest culture and this is something kikuyu's like hiding but guess what the children born with disabilities are plenty:)
so I guess your daughter is safe in bed with her father.... or her brother right? kikuyu tradition as we know it those of use whose family members made a mistake of marrying kikuyu men and later to find out they still sleep with their mothers, sisters and of course first cousin- taboo!! urgh filthy and disgusting... shame shame!!

Anonymous said...

anon
9:27 AM
hey Vikii is your clitoris cut off?? Mungiki women have them cut off.. not that painful right?

are you circumcised?? weren't kikuyu women circumcised and some are still going through this ritual(all Mungiki women go through circumcision to this day) facts!!!!

I bet it is not painful to have your clitoris cut off ama??

Anonymous said...

10:15 AM
Mwawile Bi'Tok
I beg to differ I can name all the rich Elite kikuyu families i know who practice incest in the family and this tradition and ritual has been in central province from beginning just like circumcision...

kikuyu's tradition beleives in INCEST !!it is a ritual that every kikuyu member of family has to be initiated by sleeping with a family member....

why are you trying to confuse issues here??? JINGA SANA...

Anonymous said...

12:25 PM
KWALE

dumb right!! stop practicing incest with your mother, father,sister, brother and first cousins producing disabled children -misfits.. and looking them up in dark rooms like we all know kikuyu families do..

disgusting?? even a condom does not take away the filthy act kikuyu's do with family members!!
INCEST IS AN UGLY DEED!!SHAME ON YOU - PERVERTS

Anonymous said...

THE PRESIDENT OF THE KENYAN PEOPLE RAILA HAS NOW SPOKEN!!!!!!


Raila reignites debate on youth held over poll violence

Published on 19/08/2008

By David Ohito

Prime Minister Raila Odinga kicked a fresh storm demanding the unconditional release of over 300 post-election violence suspects.

In a new twist, Raila called for an independent authority to investigate and prosecute cases related to the post-election violence.

Speaking at an international conference on Restorative Justice and National Humanitarian Law today, Raila said peace and justice go together and is crucial to the healing process.

"It is not about amnesty but about justice. The people must be released without conditions," Raila said.

"We are not calling for amnesty. The youths are not guilty. There is no evidence but just trumped-up charges against the innocent ODM supporters," Raila said.

"Amnesty presupposes guilt. There are two sides to the conflict. Security forces were following orders of the PNU as their masters but they also killed nearly half of those who died in the violence," Raila said.

He accused Party of National Unity (PNU) as being partisan and said the party controlled all instruments of coercion during the violence.

"The police are partisan in their arrests and cannot prosecute the suspects in this case. They are themselves suspects," Raila said.

"Those police officers should be similarly arrested and charges preferred against them." Raila charged.

While Government records peg the figure of the dead at 1,020, politicians have claimed about 1,500 people lost their lives.

Anonymous said...

What many dont know is that there is a cure for aids and also a vaccination , although many men and women opt not to use this very effective hiv remedy it is out there and guess what? it is also free.The remedy comes with different generic names namely , abstinence , fidelty, faithfulness to each other who are not infected , wanking,etc can i hear amen.The idea of lying to fools that if you are circumsiced you are at less risk is fool hardy , should circumsiced men now go on an unprotected sex rampage or what is the PM trying to imply here.The message should be clear that those who indulge in promiscous activity without protection should be ready to face the consequences cut or uncut.My thesis tells me that luos are prone to aids more because of their love for you know what , what does a luo do when he makes his first money , marry a second wife or get a concubine or three.Just listen to all luo music they are like akatas always singing about , sianda n such other xual aspects of a woman's anatomy.

Anonymous said...

What many dont know is that there is a cure for aids and also a vaccination , although many men and women opt not to use this very effective hiv remedy it is out there and guess what? it is also free.The remedy comes with different generic names namely , abstinence , fidelty, faithfulness to each other who are not infected , wanking,etc can i hear amen.The idea of lying to fools that if you are circumsiced you are at less risk is fool hardy , should circumsiced men now go on an unprotected sex rampage or what is the PM trying to imply here.The message should be clear that those who indulge in promiscous activity without protection should be ready to face the consequences cut or uncut.My thesis tells me that luos are prone to aids more because of their love for you know what , what does a luo do when he makes his first money , marry a second wife or get a concubine or three.Just listen to all luo music they are like akatas always singing about , sianda n such other xual aspects of a woman's anatomy.

Mwawile Bi'Tok said...

12.47 I did not say that incest in kikuyuland is the preserve of the poor. I said especially the poor. There's a big difference. The reason why most Kikuyu women are inactive in bed is because they have been traumatized by that first fatherly sexual experience. This confuses many of them into feeling they are worth nothing more than sex objects. However, with enticing money, these daughters ease into the reality of sexually availing themselves to theier fathers, rich uncles or older cousins.

For the men and their mothers, the situation is a bit different. Such abuses usually happen very early in life when the boy child is still nursery going age. They usually forget the whole event when they grow up. But for some whose mothers are very prominent divorced/unmarried business people, the sons will do anything for money. Some are so regular partners hat they refuse to marry.

Anonymous said...

The reason why Luo don't like the cut is becoz their dicks are small and crooked!

Anonymous said...

Is Vikii a woman?

Anonymous said...

Raila dick is very small just like his fellow tribesmen. He went to Germany to have an extension because his wife Ida wanted to leave him. fact!

Anonymous said...

A cut dick is only good for blow job nothing else.

Anonymous said...

Guys,

Let's get back to some intelligent discussion.

Anonymous said...

hey Vikii is your clitoris cut off?? Mungiki women have them cut off.. not that painful right?

are you circumcised?? weren't kikuyu women circumcised and some are still going through this ritual(all Mungiki women go through circumcision to this day) facts!!!!

I bet it is not painful to have your clitoris cut off ama??

Anonymous said...

better wife inheritance than incest my dear na mimi ni mukenya

Kikuyu's are the most filthy tribe i have come across imagine father sleeping with daughters?? Mothers spreading for their own sons:) uurgh what a culture
INCEST IN CENTRAL PROVINCE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A GENERATION...

GO TO JACARANDA SCHOOL OF DISABLED...WHO'S KIDS ARE THERE ?? KIKUYU FAMILIES AND THIS ARE KIDS MOSTLY BORN OUT OF INCESTS!!! GENETIC MISFITS....

Anonymous said...

Mwawile Bi'Tok said...

As for incest in the Kikuyu community, we all know it's prevalent. Especially in poor slum areas like Mathare, Dagoretti, Mukuru-ini etc. This appears to be accepted by those societies.


SAID WITH A SHRUG LIKE SO WHAT WE KIKUYU'S CAN SLEEP WITH ALL OUR FAMILY MEMBERS AND IT IS THE NORM??
DISGUSTING PERVERTS...... NO WONDER THEY HAD TO CIRCUMCISE THEIR WOMEN...... NO FEELINGS DOWN THERE...UMALAYA BECOME EASY LIKE A SECOND SKIN!!!

Anonymous said...

anon @ 2:21, I don't think this post was intended for Kikuyu bashing. The topic of discussion is: To cut or not to cut.

Let's be civil in our discussion. Respect please!

Anonymous said...

Let's not bash other tribes!

Anonymous said...

anon2:31 PM

Oh do shut up you kikuyu goon-


you bash other tribes and when facts are posted about your tribe - you can't handle the heat.

to cut or not to cut is all about sex organs and if you as a kikuyu are using them to dip in the wrong holes of your relatives then you should be told to stop such unholy primitive filthy incest acts...
as for your women why do the mungiki's still circumcise their women?? mutilation of women genitals -
Kikuyu's as usual flying bellow the radar(not being detected! while shouting loudly that the Masai and the Somali's should stop this tradition when in fact the kikuyu's have never stopped this customs?? go lift the skirts of all the mungiki women and check their genitals??

Anonymous said...

anon @ 2:40, I didn't mean to offend you. All I'm saying is that we should be civil and discuss the topic in question. First off, I'm not a Kikuyu. I'm a Kalenjin.

Anonymous said...

Anon2:50 PM
I'm also not a kikuyu or Luo- I call my self a kenyans and I think My discussions on HIV, Kikuyu women circumcision and Incest in playing a big role in the kikuyu customs has everything to do with to cut or not to cut!

This incest perverts dicks should be cut off!!this should not be acceptable in any society a father sleeping with a daughter or a mother sleeping with her son and brothers and sisters producing babies- this is disgusting and filthy period.....

Anonymous said...

AT LAST THE TRUTH ABOUT THE LARGEST TRIBE IN KENYA WILL BE KNOWN AND TRUST ME IT AIN'T KIKUYU:)
Last censor 1999 what bull shiate kikuyu's like to post lies and propaganda ...


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Posted Tuesday, August 12 2008 at 17:46

In Summary

* A pilot census to be carried out in 16 districts.
* Six provinces will be included on the August 24 date.

A pilot census will be carried out in 16 districts to test the system to be used during the countrywide census next year, an official has said.

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The pilot programme will be conducted on the night of August 24.

Six provinces, except North Eastern and Nairobi, will be included.

In Nyanza, the census will target three districts of Kisumu East, Nyamira and Migori.

The other districts are Mombasa and Msambweni in Coast; Mbooni, Tigania and Isiolo in Eastern and Nyeri North and Nyandarua North in Central.

In Rift Valley, the census will be held in East Pokot, Keiyo, Turkana North and Narok North districts while Busia and Bungoma West will be covered in Western Province.

Mr Monyoncho Maina, a logistics and administration officer with the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics said this exercise was a crucial part of the preparations for the main survey.

“We are going to use this pre-census to test our instruments for survey and address the various logistical concerns exactly a year before the census is done,” said Mr Maina.

This year’s pilot programme will also include a component on disability and ICT alongside all the other demographic indicators.

“The provincial administration in Nyanza is ready to handle any issues that may arise during this pilot census,” said provincial commissioner Paul Olando.

He also called on all Kenyans to give the census officials the necessary assistance.

The 2009 survey will be the fifth in Kenya’s history. The first was conducted in 1897 while the most recent was in 1999 when Kenya had about 29 million people. The number has since grown to about 35

Anonymous said...

MARTHA KARUA SEEMS TO BE HANGING AROUND WITH ONLY THUGS>

1. THE KAMUKUNJI MP THUG

2. LIVONDO

3. NOW JIRONGO

WATCH HER DANCING WITH JIRONGO MP -

HOW DO KENYAN EVEN START TRUSTING A JUSTICE WHO SURROUNDS HER SELF WITH KNOW MP ROGUES AND THUGS

JUST LIKE UHURU SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH MUNGIKI THUGS I GUESS KARUA HAD TO LOOK FOR HER WON THUGS IN PARLIAMENT..... SEE WHERE SHE IS GETTING HER VOTES SOON:)

Anonymous said...

MARTHA KARUA DANCING WITH JIRONGO LIKE HER LIFE DEPENDS ON IT THE DANCE SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhcj3IaRpUI&feature=user

Anonymous said...

MARTHA KARUA DANCING WITH JIRONGO LIKE HER LIFE DEPENDS ON IT THE DANCE SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhcj3IaRpUI&feature=user

Anonymous said...

I've asked all day why most Kenyan tribes had the practice of circumcision. Can somebody answer me?

papa plus said...

Some of you my fellow brothers and sisters ni washamba wakutupa mbali! Although you have a computer and have access to the internet you are still stuck in your pathetic village mentanlity. Why not try reserching information on AIDs and other diseases that are not indiginous to Africa and see where their genesis erupted from. All these shallow arguments about HIV Luo men and promiscuos Kikuyu girls is utter nonsense.

I would advice you to read the book Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond who outlines how human migration including the Bantu, Bushmens and so on of Africa and how they colonialists conquored them before spouting off on Luos and kikuyus as if their plight is not the plight of Kenya and by extension your problem as a Kenyan.

Anonymous said...

Papa Plus,

Part of the reason we have discussions here is because we want to learn from ourselves how we evolved, not read what others are saying about us on the internet. What makes you think that the book you are quoting is more accurate than information you will gather from a wise man like Chris, or Phil or Sam Okello?

Anonymous said...

Well, well, Why can't we all face the knife and see if this will reduce AIDS. Chris, be brave and go first. Kumekuchans will then follow.

Sam Okello said...

Ladies and gentlemen,

It's been a heck of a discussion we've had here. I regret that some of us took the liberty to bash other tribes and cultures, but on the overall I've learnt a lot of new things. I hope we will follow up and find out as much as we can about the various communities in our country. The blessing of Kenya is the cultural melting pot it is. Let that pot mesh us into something sweet, not a bitter delicacy that nobody wants to taste.

Good night now, folks!

Anonymous said...

Sam,there is no bashing of other tribes. We are saying the truth about Kikuyus practising incest. That is the bitter pill the kikuyus have to swallow.

Anonymous said...

The luos should also quit wife inheritance or the AIDS scourge will wipe this entire community off the face of the earth.

Anonymous said...

better wife inheritance than incest my dear na mimi ni mukenya

Kikuyu's are the most filthy tribe i have come across imagine father sleeping with daughters?? Mothers spreading for their own sons:) uurgh what a culture
INCEST IN CENTRAL PROVINCE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A GENERATION...

GO TO JACARANDA SCHOOL OF DISABLED...WHO'S KIDS ARE THERE ?? KIKUYU FAMILIES AND THIS ARE KIDS MOSTLY BORN OUT OF INCESTS!!! GENETIC MISFITS....

papa plus said...

Anon 4:34
Pardon moi if I interupted useful infomation about AIDs along uncircumcised Luos, and Kikuyu malayas. Maybe you can point me to the helpful facts borne of such talk.

Let me simplify it for you;
HIV prevalence in Luo nyanza, Nyeri and other areas is unfortunate. However, some of us are not interested in discussing the facts about the situation. narrowing it down to kikuyu malayas and wife inheritance is a cope out. Poverty, ignorance, lack of health care facilities and outdated cultural practices are partly to blame. What upsets me is this talk of castigating a community as if they are not kenyans. I don't know where you are but in the USA, it doesn't matter whether your father is Kibaki or Moi or whatever Kenyan billionaire; you are just another african! The only thing that makes kenyans special is our runners. No one here gives a shit whether Luos don't get cut and whether kikuyus are astitute business people. Last time I checked, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet were not Kikuyu! So what happens to any kenyan affects and reflects on me.

back to the book which you have no doubt read nor bothered to google. the author has studied archeology extensively and migration parterns of the people of the world. This particular book is a Pulitzer prize winning book. It explores how the original inhabitants of Africa namely the Bantu, Niger-Congo, Khoisan, , Afro-asiatic, Nilo-saharan and Austronesian moved around Africa. It also looks at how the fisrt visitors to Africa brought guns, germs and steel to dividing Africa.

So like my History teacher used to say; read widely and wildly. Don't wallow in ignorance and be swayed by simplistics ways of looking at complicated issues, think outside the box. These diseases were introduced to Africa for a reason. Am sure you have watched the documentary Darwin's Nightmare which looks at the Nile Perch which is not indiginous to lake Victoria and that eats everything in its wake and doesn't co-exist with the ecosystem.

These are the things I would like to see some of us asking ourselves instead of just shooting off comments without thinking. It is the same I dare say with kibaki's prouncement of the striking students,"...lazima wachpwe, si wachapwe...lazima wasome..."

It is a very ignorant and lazy way of looking at issues shaping your immediate world if I say so myself.

but yes, you are right that we come to kumekucha to hear view points from .....

Anonymous said...

papa plus

do not be discouraged, many times some of us read the comments quietly on the sideliness and harness the good, research on some worthwhile news or insight, aware that at times there's a lot of anger and therefore much heat, but somewhere in there, a new Kenya is emerging. if you ignore or sieve through the hateful comments you'll find buried in there the points some of these guys are trying althought rather bitterly to relay.

we hear you papa plus

UrXlnc

Kimi Raikkonen said...

Now Raila is calling for amnesty for the ODM thugs in police custody who took part in post election violence, never mind the tension and emotions such statements cause. This is not surprising to me. As i have said numerous times before, Raila cannot be trusted to make a deal or even to behave like an upright and principled man. The guy is an unrepentant Stalinist/Communist/Maoist revolutionary who will only be satisfied with absolute power, which of course, he will never achieve.
The boy is a relentless megalomaniac who will stop at nothing to attain his evil agenda even as he hoodwinks hopelessly incompetent and cowardly politicians like Kibaki that he has jettisoned his confrontational ways, and the sooner the PNU Mandarins realize this and take him head on once and for all, we will continue being held hostage to his unrepentant penchant for blackmail and violence.
His repeated calls for the release of and defense of killers is an ill-disguised threat this country will never have peace unless he gets his way. Well, i say lets call his bluff.

Anonymous said...

papa kindly state the name of the book it seems like a great book to read, thanks in advance

Anonymous said...

As you read the book, dont get overly caught up in the environmental determinism, there is great room for human will and responsibility as we see today in many of our countries. In fact I think Collapse, same author, is a much better read as he talks about human impacts on envrionment and subsequent feedback effects on humans and also reflects on how humans can improve their behavior.

b-carotene said...

Kimi:
Your points are always well taken, though unclear why you'd characterize others who presided over the most economic growth we've had in years and an attendant opening up of democratic space, the way you've done. Quite inaccurate. In the end, it always helps to give people enough rope before tying the noose and handing it back. The Bondo bumpkin is accumulating rope, at home AND abroad.

Anonymous said...

The Bondo bumpkin is a man a lot of people respect.

Anonymous said...

The Bondo bumpkin is a man a lot hate!

Anonymous said...

anon 6:01

It was Sam Okello who warned us against hate here at KK.

Anonymous said...

Wow, the level of discussion on Kumekucha has stooped to an all time low. I guess it is open season for buffoons, or did they let out the "mental" idiots/midgets from the asylum.

I for one cannot phathom why grown men would indulge in taking about other men's penis'. Shouldn't this be a discussion left to our esteemed ladies?

To cut or not to cut? It was not too long ago that AIDS was referred to as GRID (Gay Related Immunodeficiency). A disease that was meant to afflict only gay men. Look how far we have come. When Africans embraced this notion, the HIV infection rates skyrocketed with UG leading the way. UG quickly embraced preventive and educative measures that saw the infection rates decline. This was in the 80s. Kenyans, for the most part, politicizing every aspect of its society along tribal lines were oblivious to instituting preventitive measures, even talking about AID/HIV was taboo, especially if a family member's demise was as a direct result. This saw an astounding escalation of HIV infection rates in the 90s to the early 2000s.

Ignorance for the part the most part is bliss to some individuals. Go visit some hospitals, find out how many innocent men/women have/are perishing from the disease solely on the grounds of INFIDELITY. Nothing to do with being cut/uncut, then table your tribal rants and raves.

Please let's bring constructive arguments to the table in fighting this scourge.

Anonymous said...

Why don't you talk about gays in Kenya responsible for so much of HIV infection.
or you live in denial there are no gays in Kenya?
Well, we have few gay bloggers here like the likes of
Acolyte
Papa plus
Oren_Licus
gishungwa
Mrembo
... And maybe many others.
So you can imagine if we have that number of gays here, how many are they in the country.

Anonymous said...

FOODS! """RUTO MUST BE STOPPED WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT AND TAKEN TO COURT BECAUSE HE IS INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO KILL OUR CROPS AND EVEN PEOPLE(DESTROY OUR LIVELIHOOD WHICH GOOD SOIL IS ESSENTIAL TO THROUGH ""Monsanto GM ...."" PRODUCTS.

SOON THERE WILL BE NOTHING TO CUT ID PEOPLE CAN'T GROW FOOD TO EAT BECAUSE OF THE GM CROPS-

THIS MUST BE STOPPED NOW-
READ all the negatives aspects that other countries went through with the GM crops...




Source: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=1185

Genetic modification can't deliver a safe, secure future food supply. Here's why...

1. Failure to deliver

Despite the hype, genetic modification consistently fails to live up to industry claims. Only two GM traits have ever made it to market: herbicide resistance and BT toxin expression (see below). Other promises of genetic modification have failed to materialise. The much vaunted GM ‘golden rice’ – hailed as a cure to vitamin A deficiency – has never made it out of the laboratory, partly because in order to meet recommended levels of vitamin A intake, consumers would need to eat 12 bowls of the rice every day.1 In 2004, the Kenyan government admitted that Monsanto’s GM sweet potatoes were no more resistant to feathery mottle virus than ordinary strains, and in fact produced lower yields.2 And in January 2008, news that scientists had modified a carrot to cure osteoporosis by providing calcium had to be weighed against the fact that you would need to eat 1.6 kilograms of these vegetables each day to meet your recommended calcium intake.3

2. Costing the Earth

GM crops are costing farmers and governments more money than they are making. In 2003, a report by the Soil Association estimated the cost to the US economy of GM crops at around $12 billion (£6 billion) since 1999, on account of inflated farm subsidies, loss of export orders and various seed recalls.4 A study in Iowa found that GM soyabeans required all the same costs as conventional farming but, because they produced lower yields (see below), the farmers ended up making no profit at all.5 In India, an independent study found that BT cotton crops were costing farmers 10 per cent more than non-BT variants and bringing in 40 per cent lower profits.6 Between 2001 and 2005, more than 32,000 Indian farmers committed suicide, most as a result of mounting debts caused by inadequate crops.7

3. Contamination and gene escape

No matter how hard you try, you can never be sure that what you are eating is GM-free. In a recent article, the New Scientist admitted that contamination and cross-fertilisation between GM and non-GM crops ‘has happened on many occasions already’.8 In late 2007, US company Scotts Miracle-Gro was fined $500,000 by the US Department of Agriculture when genetic material from a new golf-course grass Scotts had been testing was found in native grasses as far as 13 miles away from the test sites, apparently released when freshly cut grass was caught and blown by the wind.9 In 2006, an analysis of 40 Spanish conventional and organic farms found that eight were contaminated with GM corn varieties, including one farmer whose crop contained 12.6 per cent GM plants.

4. Reliance on pesticides

Far from reducing dependency on pesticides and fertilisers, GM crops frequently increase farmers’ reliance on these products. Herbicide-resistant crops can be sprayed indiscriminately with weedkillers such as Monsanto’s ‘Roundup’ because they are engineered to withstand the effect of the chemical. This means that significantly higher levels of herbicide are found in the final food product, however, and often a second herbicide is used in the late stages of the crop to promote ‘dessication’ or drying, meaning these crops receive a double dose of harmful chemicals.10 BT maize, engineered to produce an insecticidal toxin, has never eliminated the use of pesticides,11 and because the BT gene cannot be ‘switched off’ the crops continue to produce the toxin right up until harvest, reaching the consumer at its highest possible concentrations.12

5. ‘Frankenfoods’

Despite the best efforts of the biotech industry, consumers remain staunchly opposed to GM food. In 2007, the vast majority of 11,700 responses to the Government’s consultation on whether contamination of organic food with traces of GM crops should be allowed were strongly negative. The Government’s own ‘GM Nation’ debate in 2003 discovered that half of its participants ‘never want to see GM crops grown in the United Kingdom under any circumstances’, and 96 per cent thought that society knew too little about the health impacts of genetic modification. In India, farmers’ experience of BT cotton has been so disastrous that the Maharashtra government now advises that farmers grow soybeans instead. And in Australia, over 250 food companies lodged appeals with the state governments of New South Wales and Victoria over the lifting of bans against growing GM canola crops.13

6. Breeding resistance

Nature is smart, and there are already reports of species resistant to GM crops emerging. This is seen in the emergence of new ‘superweeds’ on farms in North America – plants that have evolved the ability to withstand the industry’s chemicals. A report by then UK conservation body English Nature (now Natural England), in 2002, revealed that oilseed rape plants that had developed resistance to three or more herbicides were ‘not uncommon’ in Canada.14 The superweeds had been created through random crosses between neighbouring GM crops. In order to tackle these superweeds, Canadian farmers were forced to resort to even stronger, more toxic herbicides.15 Similarly, pests (notably the diamondback moth) have been quick to develop resistance to BT toxin, and in 2007 swarms of mealy bugs began attacking supposedly pest-resistant Indian cotton.

7. Creating problems for solutions

Many of the so-called ‘problems’ for which the biotechnology industry develops ‘solutions’ seem to be notions of PR rather than science. Herbicide-resistance was sold under the claim that because crops could be doused in chemicals, there would be much less need to weed mechanically or plough the soil, keeping more carbon and nitrates under the surface. But a new long-term study by the US Agricultural Research Service has shown that organic farming, even with ploughing, stores more carbon than the GM crops save.16 BT cotton was claimed to increase resistance to pests, but farmers in East Africa discovered that by planting a local weed amid their corn crop, they could lure pests to lay their eggs on the weed and not the crop.17

8. Health risks

The results of tests on animals exposed to GM crops give serious cause for concern over their safety. In 1998, Scottish scientists found damage to every single internal organ in rats fed blightresistant GM potatoes. In a 2006 experiment, female rats fed on herbicide-resistant soybeans gave birth to severely stunted pups, of which half died within three weeks. The survivors were sterile. In the same year, Indian news agencies reported that thousands of sheep allowed to graze on BT cotton crop residues had died suddenly. Further cases of livestock deaths followed in 2007. There have also been reports of allergy-like symptoms among Indian labourers in BT cotton fields. In 2002, the only trial ever to involve human beings appeared to show that altered genetic material from GM soybeans not only survives in the human gut, but may even pass its genetic material to bacteria within the digestive system.18

9. Left hungry

GM crops have always come with promises of increased yields for farmers, but this has rarely been the case. A three-year study of 87 villages in India found that non-BT cotton consistently produced 30 per cent higher yields than the (more expensive) GM alternative.19 It is now widely accepted that GM soybeans produce consistently lower yields than conventional varieties. In 1992, Monsanto’s own trials showed that the company’s Roundup Ready soybeans yield 11.5 per cent less on harvest. Later Monsanto studies went on to reveal that some trials of GM canola crops in Australia actually produced yields 16 per cent below the non-GM national average.20

10. Wedded to fertilisers and fossil fuels

No genetically modified crop has yet eliminated the need for chemical fertilisers in order to achieve expected yields. Although the industry has made much of the possibility of splicing nitrogen-fixing genes into commercial food crops in order to boost yields, there has so far been little success. This means that GM crops are just as dependent on fossil fuels to make fertilisers as conventional agriculture. In addition to this, GM traits are often specifically designed to fit with large-scale industrial agriculture. Herbicide resistance is of no real benefit unless your farm is too vast to weed mechanically, and it presumes that the farmers already farm in a way that involves the chemical spraying of their crops. Similarly, BT toxin expression is designed to counteract the problem of pest control in vast monocultures, which encourage infestations. In a world that will soon have to change its view of farming – facing as it does the twin challenges of climate change and peak oil – GM crops will soon come to look like a relic of bygone practices.

Mark Anslow is the Ecologist’s senior reporter

References

1 http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=8521

2 http://www.greens.org/s-r/35/35-03.html

3 Telegraph, 14th January 2008, http://tinyurl.com/38e2rp

4 Soil Association, 2007, http://tinyurl.com/33bfuh

5 http://ianrnews.unl.edu/static/0005161.shtml

6 http://www.i-sis.org.uk/IBTCF.php

7 Indian Muslims, 20th November 2007, http://tinyurl.com/2u7wy7

8 New Scientist, ‘Genes for Greens’, 5th January 2007, Issue 2637, Vol 197

9 http://gmfoodwatch.tribe.net/thread/a1b77b8b-15f5-4f1d-86df-2bbca5aaec70

10 http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=9927

11 http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/usdagmeconomics.htm

12 http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=9927

13 http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/11/27/18463803.php

14 http://www.english-nature.org.uk/pubs/publication/PDF/enrr443.pdf

15 Innovations Report, 20th June 2005, http://tinyurl.com/3axmln

16 http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=8658

17 http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMcropsfailed.php

18 All references from ‘GM Food Nightmare Unfolding in the Regulatory Sham’, Mae-Wan Ho, Joe Cummins, Peter Saunders, ISIS report.

19 http://www.i-sis.org.uk/IBTCF.php

20 http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=8558


Source: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=1185

Anonymous said...

anon 11:29,

Nonsense. Ruto is an honourable man who wouldn't harm any Kenyan.

Anonymous said...

My question is on all rumors flying around that Kenya now is going to start Producing GM crops in a major scale?? Why would Kenya Government agriculture Minister take that route - when reports and study indicate GM Crops are no good -looking at all the countries especially India that tried growing GM crops and hit a disaster and farmers committing suicide?? why should Kenya government allow this??

Genetic modification can't deliver a safe, secure future food supply. Here's why...Despite the hype, genetic modification consistently fails to live up to industry claims.


All references from ‘GM Food Nightmare Unfolding in the Regulatory Sham’, Mae-Wan Ho, Joe Cummins, Peter Saunders, ISIS report.

Failure to deliver

Costing the Earth

Contamination and gene escape

Reliance on pesticides

‘Frankenfoods’

Breeding resistance

Creating problems for solutions

Health risks
References
Source: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=1185

http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=8521
http://www.greens.org/s-r/35/35-03.html
Soil Association, 2007, http://tinyurl.com/33bfuh
Indian Muslims, 20th November 2007, http://tinyurl.com/2u7wy7
http://www.english-nature.org.uk/pubs/publication/PDF/enrr443.pdf
http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=8658
Source: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=1185

Anonymous said...

anon11:54 AM

shut up and answer the question!!!

WHAT IS RUTO DOING AGREING ON GM CROPS FOR KENYA??

is Ruto educated or specialized in agriculture??

if not isn't logic to educate himself on what is good or bad for our Kenya agriculture industry???

has RUTO ALLOWED GM CROPS IN KENYA????

ANSWER THE QUESTION FOOL!!!

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