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Timing in politics, we are told, is everything But the timing in which Charles Rubia, one of the champions of the so-called second liberation, has come out to speak after 17 years of political silence is ironical.
This week when a lot is on hold in this blog to honor one of the greatest men to ever emerge from the womb of a Kenyan woman, Rubia decides to speak. Of course he is secure in the fact that Kenyans are notorious for their short memories.
Who was Charles Rubia in July 5th 1969? At the time of Mboya’s death this Charles Rubia was very close to the kitchen cabinet and must have been privy to the plotting that went on. There are those who have even mentioned his name. If he is really genuinely interested in the good of Kenya and Kenyans, why doesn’t he tell us the identity of the "Big man" who ordered the Mboya hit? Or is this just the first se;fish step in his political come back?
While we appreciate the fact that Mr Rubia stood out and fought against the dictatorial Moi regime and while we will always appreciate the sacrifices he made in doing so, it is only right that he helps Kenyans solve this mystery of the Mboya assassination.
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Why are you so intent on looking backwards on Tom M? How can you know that he would not have turned into a corrupt politician like the rest? Or is it the idea and hope that he did not have the time and so Kenya would be oh so much different if he had lived? Move on and get back to todays challenges!? After all, Kenyans now have the politicians they have selected and hence the government they deserve. and let Tom M. Rip.
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It is this business of "moving on" that has gotten us into our current mess because we have moved on to exactly "Nowhere" 38 years after Mboya's death.
ReplyDeleteAs I have always said, it is impossible to understand our present and future without first understanding and resolving our past.
Secondly is it of no consequence to you that a Kenyan who fought for the masses and was gunned down so brutually still has loose ends in connection to his murder? Like who ordered his shooting?
What if he was your father or brother?
Let's not be selfish here. Let's do and say things for the good of Kenya and not for partisan interests or your favored presidential candidate.
I will not rest until the people of Kenya are told the truth about Tom Mboya, so you might as well save your time and breadth.
-Kumekucha-
P.S. Had Mboya accepted to be corrupt, he would still be alive today. It was his principaled nature (badly missing in Kenyan politics today) among other things that got him killed.
What a thankless job Chris? You do the main post that is undeservedly trashed and you still have the peace of mind and kind words to respond. That probably is your strength that makes you stand in a crowd, congratulations brother.
ReplyDeleteAti tuendelee na tuaganlie mbele my foot. Why would we be obsessed with building hypothetical castes in mars while we can climb a tree on earth? That dangerous line of thinking is the fat we are frying ourself in presently. Economy is growing so let us forget Anglo Leasing, Goldberg et al. But as we dance ourselves lame on copyrights, the melogy fro the real song only reaches a few privileged ears. Luke will obviously go mad at me for waking him up from his dreamland of admiring the economic boom. Sorry brother Luke I couldn't help it man. Nyerere must have been prophetic that ours is man eat man while we cheaply and uncritically retorted that TZ is man eat nothing. Edinburg alumni who translated Julius Caesar must have laughed his heart off at the intellectual hollowness.
Now back to TJ. For starters you only ignore the past for it to come and haunt you later bad style. Read this 'trivial' in the reverse and a loud to yourself THE PAST IF OUR FUTURE. If you don't seem to make a tail or head out of it just gently shake your head and tell us what hits its walls.
We can only extrapolate what TJ would have done now based on what he was and did before he was gunned down. That is called inference which must be based on data. And conditional inference (what Tom did) is the more precise that average probability.
True, we don’t have to agree o many (even all) things. But to expose obtuse and unparalled subject matter inadequacy is inexcusable. One simple test: whatever you type just read it aloud to yourself and if your find your voice raised that is a clear red flag that needs self-audit.
Diversity in opinions is healthy and uniformity in ideas is the genesis of latent dictorship (dear Vikii, hope you are reading bro!). TJ was in a class of his own and we can only compare him with his peers who are the present scoundrels for leaders. The good things you do on earth are interred with your bones and the bad ones forms your legacy. We only know of Pumbavus and cutting Mugumo tree na wembe. And with that statement I must wear my metre-thick skin armour for obvious reasons.
TJ's model as politician can be replicated even for educational inspirations. How many O-level graduates can think vertically and eloquently as he did more than 40 years ago? Nada. He chose to read and understand what he wanted to and communicate the same with equivalent zeal. Einstein couldn't have put more aptly 'imagination is more powerful than knowledge'.
Speaking of which we can only progress by humbly accepting our individual fallibilities. Agree to disagree and not happing to any straw to keep a float. You only attempt to re-write history if you are oblivious of the shame of having eggs caressing your face. Stop hiding under transparent covers by uncritically peddling stories on Kwame Nkuruma, Nelson Mandela etc. Such a mindframe will make you tell us that JOHN SPEKE was the FIRST PERSON TO SEE L. Victoria despite the fact that others had been fishing on the same water mass for eons of years.
Picking the positives from TJ's legacy: let us engage the mind and not the mouth. I rest my case and may TJ's bones rest in peace and inspire us to think and remain objective devoid of bigotry and stereotypes that we shamelessly deny and entertain in equal measure.
Now Taabu you are increasingly becoming gramaphous with this 'stereotype' thing. Next time u will join the crying club about non existent stereotype and discrimination. Do u guys understand that Kenyatta was very uncouth when dealing with Kaggia or worse still JM? Were they not his tribesemen? U people are so much afraid of your own shadows that u read tribe in everything. Paul Ngei, Kaggia and many others led very neglected lives (And this should be condemned, no doubt about it) but where does the issue of their tribes come in ? I am finding this 'stereotypes against us' line of thinking very retarded.
ReplyDeleteNow thank you for attempting some little lecture on statistics. Very interesting read that one especially when u talk about "conditional inference"--whatever that means. I know u were addressing somebody else there, but I'd expect u to apply the same probability/statistics concept to answer my yesterday's concerns which you evidently misunderstood (You seem to think I am rubbishing Mboya's contribution which is the furthest thing from the truth that exists). I agree we should use previous data to forecast the future which is pretty much the whole business of regression analysis, BUT what I am calling for Lil Taabu is a multi variate type of analysis as opposed to this univariate "case study". You have not yet answered my question----How was Mboya better than the people i named here yesterday? I am not saying he was not, i am just looking for another reason on top of your pet subject 'tribe'.
Now you have invoked my name as one of those who refuse to agree to disagree. I know as much as u do that if we all sung the same song then this blog would be useless. Those like u would want to tell us that it is a forum for 'exchanging views' (How I wish that were the case, but it cannot be with your persistent labelling of people as tribalists just because they have refused to buy your view) I strongly believe this blog was created with the idea of a conversion forum in mind. Regardless of where u stand, u need divergent views here and that is why I am now appealing to you to stop calling people Ndethia graduates just because they have refused your little intimidation.
About Charles rubia, kitchen cabinet and Tom Mboya's murder, well I was not around and so I am no authority on this one. One thing I know is that Rubia having been tortured to the point of being a permanently whispering being, is entitled to give his opinions about the country's current politics and to share his experiences against police brutality. For one to allege that he is trying to make a political come back is not only intolerant, it is unaccepatable. The little I know about this little matter is that Mboya was in the kitchen cabinet pretty much the same way Rubia was. This I gathered from "Not Yet Uhuru". The author of that book has talked about Kenyatta's closeness to Mboya.
I say…
ReplyDeleteIt is becoming mantra at this point and I need to make a few clarifications on this. It does not mean that I demean the intelligence of anybody here, neither am I playing English teacher. I am only sorry that it is repeated so many times and I will make the necessary clarifications down here.
I said LAPDOG – the dictionary meaning of the word, that has been used all over the world for Tony Blair’s close relationship to George Bush or America in this case and repeated in every single UK daily last week when Gordon Brown ascended to power in an idiomatic sense is: ‘The term sometimes used to describe a person who is very easily controlled, such as a "yes" man’. I have used this word more than ten times in my articles. Peter Mandelson, journalists Ben Cohen, Alastair Campbell have all been called a lapdog and I have never at any single time seen a rebuttal from 10 Downing Street or any other quarters.
I used SYCOPHANT – in modern English, the term has come to mean one who seeks to please people in positions of authority or influence in order to gain power themselves, usually at the cost of pride, principles, and peer respect. I would simply ask and some people should answer me, why 18 MPs should rise to defend the slight mention of the name Kisumu Molasses Plant.
I do not mean to take a direct hit at anybody, and I feel that there is a lot of sarcasm about the same, but the words are used in my comment and valid to the point, and some of it borders on things that are out of this world. I don’t see any reason why this can be stereotyping.
On the stone throwing that has occupied minds of a section of the readership, I feel that I am called upon to draw some painful events in Kenya’s history that bear the hallmarks of stone throwing, vandalism, thuggery and associates, including murder.
In 1969, President Kenyatta was stoned in Kisumu. Right. During the by-election campaigns in 1990s, occasioned by defections to Kanu, were there no stone-throwing incidents. In Thika in 1996, when Ford Kenya split to create NDP, was there no stone-throwing incident. During the late 1990s NCEC rallies in Nairobi, which I was even a victim, how many stone throwing incidents were there? Several and thousands of shillings in damages.
One time, a policeman was killed in Uhuru Park. A few days later, police rounded up more than 13 suspects, around City Hall and some from their houses. I can mention the names off head. Kenyatta, Ongondo, Alindi, Orinda Opar, Majimbo, Oriero (and those making loud noise should even know that body guards to a certain politician were arrested in this particular case, sorry, some might be dead by now) and from the comments that come from some readership, it seems they are quite aware of the names.
During some time of copulation with Kanu in 2001-02 there was no stone-throwing and all went dead until the clamour for a New Constitution and the direction goes back to Kisumu Town where there was a time that a boy was shot dead in 2005, when president Kibaki was visiting that city, and later in Nairobi where many, including MPs were tear gassed by police.
All said, I wish to clarify that my use of lapdog, sycophant stand.
Sorry folks, I did not put my name up there.
ReplyDeleteAll crimes need to be investigated and murder has no time limit in that respect. Justice should be done. However, what I demur is the constant pretending that there was a golden era and that it would all have been rosy if x,y,z. Kenya suffered a lot as a colony but was also very rich - relatively speaking, when it became independent. Some parts still are, but wealth is extremely concentrated and in some sense the whites that sold did so to, well, you know who. Then you might say if only nkhruma or nyerere or even the zimbabwe hero had been in kenya all would have been well - a bit like saying that if only Tom M...you get the point. We have to stop worrying about what could have been done differently after independence and move on - we are where we are. So we ended up on one side of the cold war and were locked in with our leaders being all too happy to introduce corruption ad nauseam. And in that respect we have to stop blaming foreigners, donors and so forth. They don't care anyway. Kenya must make the change. Is South Korea complaining all the time? They just got on with it and created an economy to feed and educate its people. and they suffered being made into a japanese brothel and was partitioned and suffered amasingly during an imperialist war with infrastructure worse than Kenya could ever imagine (and that takes a lot) if there ever was one. Are they still looking back to complain about what could have been? No, they get on with it. Of course they seek justice, but its not where you start!
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In the last three days, I have been subjected to some incriminating views simply for speaking my mind, an opinion and worst of all, mentioning someone’s name.
ReplyDeleteSomeone has even questioned my knowledge. I feel that I can meet any aptitude mark that someone feels that he/she can test me on. Simply saying that someone cannot be elected (after he himself said that he is being stereotyped) makes someone feel that he is better in some sense or another to a level of calling one a tribalist laced with sarcasm that borders on pettiness (not Taabu/Vikii – I think I explained my other statements in a post yesterday) . The thing is I can defend every little word directed at me. I have heard this ten of times over.
I heard this on Kiss FM, I don’t know whether the Sunday programme is still on, but Otieno Kajwang was simply asked if he is the voice of Raila Odinga. He parried the question! It is no secret anyway.
In another post, I have explained the thesaurus meanings of the words lapdog and sycophant, now, I am compelled to direct this one from mosaisi-fries-em.blogspot.com and anyone who has been feeling the pinch should read this. It is not me saying and I don’t write on that website. Read on…
What is common in all these papers is that chaos broke out. Hoodlums allied to Raila fought with hoodlums allied to Waruinge. Some people in the crowd had guns and fired at the police. I find it demagoguery at its best for Raila to come out and claim that his supporters were by-standers. Raila’s fanatical supporters have never been by-standers when it comes to violence. They thrive on it and live for it. It looks like Ndura was exploiting this aspect of Raila supporters. May be that is why Waruinge said that he was testing waters?
Raila fanatic are known to suppress anybody with views that have not been approved by Raila. Many have fallen victim to Raila sanctioned violence. At one time or another, Anyang’ Nyong’o, Raphael Tuju, James Orengo and Shem Ochuodho have been forced to run for their lives. In all these cases Raila and Tingamanics run to claim that they were victimized.
Today it is the same story again. Railamaniacs are claiming that the Kibera killing are a systematic genocide against the Luo people. They point out to the 69 event where Kenyatta’s security men opened fire on the crowd in response to stones that were thrown at him. They also point out the recent referendum chaos in Kisumu.
Tingalettes claim that Tuju forced his way into Kisumu even though he knew there was to be trouble. In their opinion Tuju should have stayed away because Kisumu was a declared Orange zone where Raila had read the constitution and found it flawed and so the masses were not supposed to hear the other side of the story. I call this Odinga democracy. In this democracy only the Odinga’s and their errand boys (sorry for this gender bias. It is because I have never met a Railamaniac woman.) should speak.
In the Kisumu fracas, the press carried stories and pictures showing that Tinga maniacs had blocked the roads; stones cars and private property; attacked police stations; and even snatched a pistol from an injured cop. They were bold enough to pose for TV and print media cameras displaying their spoils of war. They expected to get away with it because theirs was a noble mission to stop Tuju from contaminating the masses.
Those are not my words
Dont feel intimidated by these cleverly crafted little schemes to silence u Derek. U are just feeling the heat I am so much used to. Speak your mind bro and advise anybody who wants to make u a worshipper of man to go to hell. They have tried it on me with little success. My middle name is controversy and I like it when they mistake me with someone who cares how they feel.
ReplyDeleteMy names is Simon Kuria. I have been reading this blog for about one year now. I genraly dont post coment. But I feel very bad when someone posts a comment and people tend to feel bad.
ReplyDeleteLike Phil telling derek that he doubts his knowledge. taabu has repeated in his comments that someone calls people a lapdog. a lapdog has never been an insult and it shows that some think they know better. i have read to the dictionary and seen that a lapdog seen that a lapdog is a pal.
i am just pannoyed by whet i have read in the few posts above. how can someone who went to school tell another man that he doubts his knowledge of things simply because he has a different political view. again, phil and taabu hav always been writing a line, which i think is childish everyday about intellectual parasites. why is that. because phil supports a particular candidate.
anyway, people are just wondering what kind of people you are if triavial sarcasm is what you can engae in evryday. i dont care what you think, but some of you should grow up. maybe that is why it is said some people cannot lead or cannot be elected.
Kuria wa Waithera, Hull, UK
Chris and friends,
ReplyDeleteI saddens me that I must start this post by making a sincere apology to Derek, Kuria and any other person who may have felt offended by my choice of words in previous posts. Folks, this is our country and only us can build it for the better. My words in support of Raila can be strong at times, but believe you me , they have never been intended to offend anyone. Similarly, I fully understand your opposition to Raila and strong support for Kibaki or Kalonzo and I deeply respect your standpoint as your own democratic right. As a matter of fact, in the last two days, I have posted two comments expressing my gratitude to two individuals. I was highly impressed by the selfless comments of one John Kamau and the caution given to us by Taabu, and I felt that I should show them my appreciation in that way.
All said and done, I do hope you guys will find it in your hearts to forgive your fellow countryman, au sio jama?
What I know is that the country Kenya is badly in need of healing transcending all political, cultural and tribal differences. If we cant do that ourselves here, then it will be a monumental task, probably impossible, to do it in the countryside. Lets not subject certain groups or certain individuals to wanton criticism. No one under the sun is 100% perfect and certainly none of us is indispensable.
Simon Says,
ReplyDeleteWhen mboya was killed, did someone know what we didnt? Was someone afraid that mboya was too clean to be compromised.
Was the status quo afraid and scared of mboya's smartness? Did someone look and said there was no way a kihii can outsmart them.
Questions, questions, questions. Too bad someone knows the answer but they wouldnt tell us. Telling would make us ask why. This would help us to avoid many more such deaths in future.
But I think I know something you dont. Mboya's killers can be circled to ONLY two people. Take it or leave it. The man had only two enemies at the time.
The enemy he knew and the one he didnt, you choose, you decide. Before you decide, ask yourself whether the motive justifies your conclusion.
Mboya's only possible enemies at the time are Kenyatta and Odinga. Thus, the enemy he knew and the one he didnt. Just dont go far just ask for what benefit? = Status quo
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Chris,
ReplyDeleteI think it has dawned on you that Raila or a Luo for that matter will never be elected president for obvious reasons. I am a Luo but you disgrace me when all you discuss is cheap tribal talk. I guess the only reason you bringing the debate about TJ Mboya is to create sympathy for Raila (and Luo.
Please read the article by Makau Mutua on Raila and you'll understand what I mean. Tribalism will take Raila now where. Remember he referred to Kikuyu as adui (enemy) in Nov 2005. Why should he then expect to be elected to be a president of his enemies.
Unless our leaders from Luo community grows up, our people and Nyanza will forever remain behind
Congrats Phil for that brave show of maturity. Each one of us has at one time or another been tempted to get personal with it but I am happy we have people like u here who will never let it get that far.
ReplyDeleteI like the way we DEBATE it and it is only through sobre arguments that we can climb down to some central ground.
Once again thank u bro. i hope Derek sees it like u've done
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