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Sunday, April 27, 2008

Protocol Fiasco: VP Should Stay Away

President Mwai Kibaki , left, and Prime Minister Raila Odinga , right, wave at a crowd of Internally Displaced persons(IDPs) in the Kenyan town of Naivasha Saturday, April 26 2008 as they toured the area to preach peace and reconciliation Most of the 157,000 IDPs living in camps still cannot go home more than four months after a disputed presidential election unleashed weeks of ethnically tinged bloodshed.

For far too long now, this country has been treated to the tired old line. Constitution says this, constitution says that, blah blah blah. It is so ironic because the same constitution, everyone agrees, is responsible for a myriad of problems facing the country and is actually overdue for a major overhaul.Because of the same constitution, the electoral process has always been tipped to favour the incumbent and in 2007, ECK's Kivuitu took full advantage of a constitutional vacuum to declare Mwai Kibaki as president.

It is my considered opinion that Raila Odinga and ODM are not in anyway obligated to participate in peace rallies organized by President Kibaki. But by graciously accepting to do so, some PNU politicians are already mistaken in assuming that ODM must see to it that IDPs are re-settled. To make matters worse, the minor protocol incident between the Prime Minister and the Vice President has already resulted in the IDPs saying that they will not return home. In these peace missions, it is now apparent that the VP is a heavy liability rather than an unifying asset and his attempts at gaining relevance is producing reverse consequences.

Perhaps we ought to listen to Rift Valley MPs who are opposed to this hurried resettlement missions. The fact is that IDPs were present in Kenya even before the post elections violence broke-out; but it never received presidential attention. That’s right folks. The period between the 2005 referendum and the 2007 general elections saw Kenya become home to an unprecedented one million IDPs spread all over the country. This is the highest number of internal refugees anywhere in the world for a country not at war. I did not for once hear the Kiunjuris of this world insist on immediate resettlement of these hapless Kenyans. As presidential candidates, Kalonzo or Kibaki never bothered to highlight the plight of these forgotten citizens the current ODM MP for Mt. Elgon was nominated to run for the seat while in police custody on trumped-up charges. As head of state, and commander in chief, the president himself has never concerned himself with the state-sponsored insecurity that existed in some of the violence hotspots like Mt. Elgon, Kuresoi and Molo. It has not escaped anyone’s attention that because the majority of these so called IDPs in Rift Valley are from a certain ancestry, it has suddenly caught the attention of the powers that be we actually have Kenyans who are living like refugees in their own country. As we speak, the government is at war with its own citizens in Mt. Elgon through a massive military operation. Do you see where Hon Kapondi, Hon Ruto and Hon Bett are coming from?

Back to the current peace mission in Rift Valley, it is an open secret that DULY ERECTED Kibaki would never have attempted to embark on a peace tour without the POLITICAL SHIELD that is Raila Odinga. After being forced to a agree to share power with ODM, the PNU coalition partner is using the discredited constitution to once again politically undermine the ODM by purporting to rank the Prime Minister as a junior to the Vice President. As the PM rightly told the President, these sort of juvenile games are what is creating problems kule mashinani (at the grass roots). The people know that the VP happens to be a miserable presidential candidate who was resoundingly rejected at the polls. The two leading contenders amassed votes that were more than TEN TIMES what the VP got. Now, now, the constitution says that this is the individual who will automatically take over power should our current president become incapacitated. God forbid!

Regardless of what the constitution says, the facts arising out of the unique circumstances of early this year are;
  • The 2007 presidential vote was heavily discredited and even the ECK cannot ascertain who the winner was. (One political party known as ODM-K, unashamedly supported the release of disputed presidential results).
  • Two political parties (ODM/PNU) signed a peace accord to create a grand coalition as equal partners in order to make this country governable.
  • The VP and PNU ’half loaf’ cabinet remain answerable to the President and serve at his pleasure, while ODM ‘half loaf’ cabinet serve at the pleasure of the PM who is only answerable to parliament. How then Raila as PM be subordinate to Kibaki's 'servant' so to speak? My understanding is that Raila’s ODM and Kibaki’s PNU are EQUAL partners.
  • The accord says that the PM shall be the leader of the party with a majority of MPs in parliament. Unfortunately, some civil servants who should have retired when Moi and KANU were ousted from power, want us to believe that the VP is above the PM. The VP himself can hardly say he commands loyalty from his 15 ODM-K MPs.
  • The recently released CAPF report on political parties election funding indicates that although the VP’s party was the lowest in terms of expenditure….its sources of cash were from former president Moi, Uhuru Kenyatta and George Saitoti amongst other 'ghost donors' – all of whom endorsed and strongly supported the candidature of PNU’s Mwai Kibaki. The ODM-K and its candidate never had any intentions of being elected to rule this country but rather to withhold votes that would have naturally ended up in favour PNU’s opponents. A further proof of this was the party’s disgusting behavior in the election despute and its hastiness in jumping into bed with PNU for purposes of blackmailing the president to part with the vice presidency and cabinet positions in order to obtain legitimacy. Puuuulease!
I wonder which brew intoxicates some of these PNU geezers. As the country tries to undo the sad consequences of Kivuitu’s irresponsible actions, the President must forthwith stop politicking with the resettlement of IDPs. In any case, the two grand coalition partners are EQUAL and should be the ones to make these peace missions on the ground. The VP’s presence and antics only helps to re-open old wounds and prolong the agony of IDPs. The IDPs quagmire requires political statesmanship, comprehensive land reforms as well as sustainable homeland security. I personally do not see Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka making delivery or even having a role to play in any of these! And this is not just me, the IDPs themselves have booed and jeered him severally at separate venues. Is anyone listening?

38 comments:

Daniel Waweru said...

ODM's Rift Valley MPs have said the return of IDPs is conditional - it is unclear whether these demands apply jointly or severally - on the release of participants in the electoral violence; the re-installation of the DCs and other civil servants who failed to anticipate or stop the violence; a general amnesty for participants in the post-election violence; the appointment, siting, and publication of the findings of the TJRC; extra Ministerial positions for favoured sons of RVP; the sorting out of a comprehensive national land policy; and the sorting out of a comprehensive national resettlement programme. Meantime, cholera has broken out in some of the camps.

Is Kalonzo responsible for politicising the IDP issue? No. Go and do something useful with your Sunday.

Phil said...

Daniel Waweru, how useful it is for you to use your Sunday to actually read, enjoy and post a comment to my post?

You see the peace rallies have just started this week. Already, even before we have a chance to see what positive effects the rallies would bring, the Kalonzo rank-above-PM-fiasco is overshadowing the main mission of the principals. The immediate repercussions of this is that IDPs have rejected calls to go back to their homes. I dont blame them. If unity is still a mirage at national level, then it cannot be a reality at the grassroots.

What about the IDPs who existed before the elections, are they not Kenyans? Or to you Mr. Waweru, IDPs ni wale wa Eldoret na Naivasha na Molo? There arew IDPs everywhere and I sincerely hope the president will make time to visit them.

I suggest you drop the think ethnic suit and the KANU/mungiki coloured flag, then you will see that other Kenyans have also a right to land and equal opportunity in this country - stolen elections or not.

Is Kalonzo responsible? YES and a very big YES. If only he had led his party to reject or speak against Kivuitu's fake results, more than 1400 Kenyans would still be alive and hundreads of thousans would be in their homes tilling their farms in this rainy season.

Mrembo said...

Phil,

I agree with everything you have said in your post but most of all i gotta tell you i really enjoyed reading it, the writing skills i mean...very nice for a sunday morning.

what purpose does kalonzo serve in visiting the IDPs....nothing!! he adds no value to kibaki and he's not even scoring himself any points...people are booing him all over the place and he's just intent on proving he has higher authority than raila....what a foolish man!!

the worst bit of all is that the people being embarassed by musyoka the looser's antics are kenyans!! but with foolish advisors on his side like mutula kilonzo what do u expect? did someone say mutula was a great lawyer? i wonder!!....if this reasoning is the kind of greatness we are talking about then take me to a river road type lawyer anyday!!

for a supplementary view to this article on kalonzo's ujinga please visit....

http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143985572&cid=4

only fools cannot see the truth even when its staring them right in the face and please be sure to read the sentiments expressed by charles njonjo and noah wekesa.....they put it so well!

well, about resettling IDPs mbio mbio i would advise people against it and would implore them to think about it and to think about it well.....otherwise we shall be back here before the end of this year especially if things continue like this! let land issues be addressed first....it is common knowledge kenyatta and friends stole land from kenyans, now guys want to sweep all these under the carpet yet its the root of our problem!

in any case, if i was an idp...i dont know if i would ever want to go back to the riftvalley to live with people who killed and burnt people, evil people who laughed and chanted when they watched people burning!! i really dont know (sigh).

Anonymous said...

Go and do something useful with your Sunday.

DW, that is a really condescending attitude towards people you disagree with. Do you expect people to engage you in meaningful debate if you keep throwing these types of remarks?

You can learn from Karua's experience after shouting herself hoarse that we should go to court as per the constitution yet the same constitution is the main cause of the problem we found ourselves in. What did she get in return? Outwitted by Annan and denied the coveted seat of DPM by the person she thought she was fighting his corner.

Phil, that is a very good post.

My two cents...

Mrembo said...

i am sorry to digress....but i have just come across an article and i have say some things are just laughable and can only happen in kenya....ati prison warders(kalooser's ministry) are on a strike and have said they will free criminals on wednesday if their demands are not met!!

where on earth does this happen?

Fave said...

Phil,
I support your view that Raila should not in anyway participate in the current IDP saga. It is a no win situation. He should not take the cross from Kibaki and co. He seems to be providing cover and comfort for the dictator.

Least we forget,the current IDP problem is a political one, so it can not be politicized because it is a political problem in the first place. Just to remind you, it was brought about by a stolen election. In my eyes and the eyes of many, Kibaki is illegally in office. When Kibaki mouthed this statement during his tour ''This is no way to live,'' Kibaki told the IDPs at Eldoret. He should know the moment he stole election he was responsible for what happened. He should not be so hypocritical and aloof at the same time. It is 4 months later, does he think the IDPs have been on a picnic in the park.

We can forever moralize about IDPs, and they sincerely exist in the most horrible of conditions. But, you can not legislate love, and good neighborliness.
The current problems started at the moment Kenyatta set up an ethnic based government after uhuru, we have consistently gone off track and now we find ourselves in failed nation state, in the neighborhood of Somalia, yet, we had wanted to become Singapore. We have to go back, look deep into ourselves to solve the current problems.

It is going to take unique leadership and political artistry to solve the IDP issue. But,as I have advised RAO before on Mungiki, I do the same about IDPs, 'Stay away from that very intractable issue'

Anonymous said...

Kalonzo is a small timer. A tribal chief not worth mentioning.

If Mutula is a great lawyer, then you know what level of training lawyers have in Kenya. Only an illitrate lawyer can argue like him.

A top lawyer and UoN don once said that some have baked lawyers are very kambasome. I think he meant Mutula.

Anonymous said...

DW, you are right, the author of this post should find a football team to play for or take his children for a boat ride in Uhuru Park, if he cannot afford Splash!

I think, reasoning has been thrown to the dogs and what rules is the idiotic pstchophancy that a section of the population are known for.

Find a life to lead. It is not all about politics and hero-worship. THere is also God to praise on a Sunday, than writing things that make no sense. It is all about reconciliation and the major players in the government are the top-five. You cannot exclude Kalonzo, the same way Uhuru Kenyatta with his paltry number of Kanu MPs in parliament or Harun Mwau's single slot. They are all Kenyans and we are all in it. Who cast the first stone????

Anonymous said...

Mrembo, does is show how daft you are. Kalonzo just joined the Ministry in January this year. Problems at the Prisons department have been compunded over years. Oginga Odinga served in the Ministry in 1963 as kenya's first VP and the calamity that is him still haunts Kenya to this day. Gave away the presidency to kenyatta, endorsed Moi, took Patni bribe, split Ford and many more... Please hide your IGNORANCE. By the way, when are you going to UHURHU PARK FOR THE SWEARING-IN FUNCTION in an ODM kitenge?

Anonymous said...

This is the time to deal with this Kalonzo issue. We have to ensure that this man is rendered irrelevant. Should he become a factor in 2012, or whenever fresh elections are called, we'll have failed Kenyans.

Sam Okello

Mrembo said...

anonymous 5.40,

what does my comment on prison warders say? i am simply baffled by the fact that prison warders can dare threaten to free all criminals....that was my point. i even asked where such things happen coz i havent heard nonsense like that yet!

i simply mentioned your friend kalonzo who is busy trying to upstage raila in a league he is not qualified to play in, when things are falling apart in his house!! no way did i suggest in my comment that the man is responsible for the issues affecting that ministry......the article i was reading clearly stated what the warders grievances were! i was simply making a comment and anyway who told you i am in need of history lessons on the kenyan prison ministry from oginga odingas time in the 60s? keep that information to yourself ama give it to someone who asks for it.

well anon, i also see you have been memorizing my comments.....well if u went to kumekucha archives u will know that i was angry with odm during the kodak moments agwambo was having with the pnu thieves plus all the other nonsense we witnessed before the naming of the cabinet, u will also notice that i said they better NOT hold that function in uhuru park after they angered us like that!! so u can go tell some one who cares about ur orange kitenge line!

in future anon why dont you just skip my daft comments, am usually prominently decked in blue at the top of my comments.....that way u can only read comments from intelligent people like yourself and leave the ignorant daft ones like myself to our devices...if u havent yet noticed anon this is an open forum to express our views......thats all they are VIEWS!! and of course not all of us can be as intelligent as you so obviously are.

thank you.

Anonymous said...

Mrembo,

I totally agree with you 'bout Mutula's credentials the man was trained by Kiviutu what do you expect???For sure these learnerd Kenyans,some of them are over rated.

What happened to Uhuru the man is not speaking at all????

luke said...

Those advocating for Phil to do something useful with his sunday are smoking opium. Siasa mbaya maisha mbaya! Phil could not have done anything more useful than to make this post-otherwise what other purpose does this blog serve?
Bw. Phil in answer to your question we are listening, and indeed we know and can distinguish between those who are working to resettle the IDP(both yesteryear and this year) and those who are afraid to even set foot in the 6 provinces now that the elections are over-we are seeing them by their fruits and this time short memory shall not fail when it comes time again to make our voices heard
In the meantime, the show must go on, tuendelee na hio style nzuri ya brinkmanship, grandstanding and childish jostling-i'm not holding my breath for maturity to be displayed by scoundrels

Anonymous said...

Opportunists are not guided by principles but by convenience. They are more of cowards who leave others to do the fighting, and then claim the victory and glory. Like hyenas, they watch the toil of the hunt from afar and then try to claim the kill. However, Lions know the hyena’s manners very well, so they keep them away from the kill.

Kongo

Anonymous said...

Luke,

May I add,it is contradictory for someone to visit this blog and tell another to "look for something more useful to do"

Why is the person criticising Phil on this blog in the first place?

Anonymous said...

First of all, commiseration to all those feeling the blues on Ballack’s effect.
Well, myself I am seeing the red right now on the effect of our very own Kimi Raikkonen. Hats off to you Kimi, the weekend belong to you! But don’t count the lad from Hertfordshire (Lewis Hamilton) out just as yet. See you in Istanbul in two weeks time.

Back to the issue of VP and PM, why does it matter who is who? Is it not the peace and unified state we want?
Kalonzo, Judas has he is dubbed now, is as important as the PM and the President.
My theory is, if Judas did not betray Jesus, we would never had a saviour. ODM must see this betrayal as a blessing in disguise.

Kwale

Taabu said...

@Phil,
You have done your part and those who cannot stand the TRUTH are invited to dive into the Indian Ocean for free and never resurface.

When DW tells you to do something useful with your Sun there lies the warped tribal mentality couched in deception. It is the same line of stop politicking while they persuade you to bend some more for.......DW's is simply a learned Mungiki as he religiously depicts i his FLAGSHIP.

This DECEPTION that selectively crops up with kabita backing won't fool Kenyans. When Masaais and Saboats are evicted they are ignored and title deeds issued in Moi era are mere piece of per. Contrast that with the value attached to deeds issued during Kenyatta's time and see the blood chemistry.

Kenya will never be same again, NEVER. Fooled once by Jomo and twice by Kibaki, NOT AGAIN. PEACE can only be CULTIVATED and not LEGISLATED.

PS: Mrembo why are playing DERBY in the Championship league? Please use the free time on your hand to copy the bible or dictionary and save your breathe. They have ears and never hear not see with their eyes.

Mkenya Damu said...

the powersharing was btwn odm n panu , kibaki is the leader of his panua and raila of odm , so kalonzo is suboirdinate to his boss while raila is his own boss and subordinate only to parliament and the constitution, you dont have to be a genius to see that this is a non issue , kalonzo is not at the same level as raila.

Anonymous said...

Daniel Waweru said.

rift valley land issues must be resolved even j.m karuiki died for fighting for the same lands which were grabbed by kenyatta and his cronies instead of being given back to their owners- after the british paid kenyatta money to do so!!

j.m karuiki on land issues


Independence however did not bring justice for Kenyans - certainly not for the Mau Mau veterans. Kenyatta, even before being sworn as president in1963, had denounced the Mau Mau as terrorists. Contrary to British propaganda, Kenyatta was never a member of the Mau Mau. In an interview, Muthoni Wanyeki, Executive Director of the KHRC, said that:

"On coming to power, [Kenyatta] proceeded, through the land ownership policies(and practices) of his government (and himself), to betray everything that the Mau Mau had stood for and to entrench the landholding patterns established under the colony"[1]

It is not a surprise that Kenyatta by the early 1970’s had a few detentions and assassinations under his belt. In the words of politician J.M. Kariuki (assassinated in 1975), Kenyatta created a nation of ten millionaires and ten million beggars. He wanted the Mau Mau platform of Land and Freedom erased from Kenyan memory.

In 1978 President Moi took over when Kenyatta died and continued with the same dictatorial policies. Irony is such that in 1982, Mau Mau historian Maina Wa Kinyatti was imprisoned by the Moi government in the same Kamiti Prison where the British in 1957 hanged and buried the leader of the Mau Mau, Dedan Kimathi, in an unmarked grave.

But more important than a hero's acre or a monument is a reckoning with the colonial legacy of torture, dehumanization and pauperization.


Mau Mau veterans that are still alive, along with their children and grandchildren, live in abject poverty, landless and without formal education (THIS ARE NOW THE IDP'S IN MOST OF THE CAMPS TODAY)



AND i SUGGEST TO Daniel Waweru

GO TELL YOUR TRIBESMEN TO GIVE BACK THE LAND THEY STOLE FROM THE IDP'S


kibaki, uhuru, moi have enough land to settle the idp's(mau mau veteran's families between them- this is rediculus!!

the extended kenyatta family alone owns an estimated 500,000 acres — approximately the size of nyanza province — according to estimates by independent surveyors and ministry of lands officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The kibaki and moi families also own large tracts of land though most of the moi family land is held in the names of his sons and daughters and other close family members. Most of the holders of the huge parcels of land are concentrated within the 17.2 per cent part of the country that is arable.

The remaining 80 per cent is mostly arid and semi arid land. In fact, according to the kenya land alliance, more than a half of the arable land in the country is in the hands of only 20 per cent of the 30 million kenyans.

That has left up to 13 per cent of the population absolutely landless while another 67 per cent on average own less than an acre per person.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mrembo, does is show how daft you are. Kalonzo just joined the Ministry in January this year. Problems at the Prisons department have been compunded over years. Oginga Odinga served in the Ministry in 1963 as kenya's first VP and the calamity that is him still haunts Kenya to this day. Gave away the presidency to kenyatta, endorsed Moi, took Patni bribe, split Ford and many more... Please hide your IGNORANCE. By the way, when are you going to UHURHU PARK FOR THE SWEARING-IN FUNCTION in an ODM kitenge?


YOU ARE THE ARROGANT FOOL NOT MREMBO AND GO EDUCATE YOURSELF MORE ON KENYA HISTORY BEFORE YOU SPEW YOUR SHIATE HERE- I WILL REMIND YOU OF ONE!!


1963 independence, enter jomo kenyatta and gema land-buying companies

trouble is, we had a majimbo constitution at independence. The rise of a party-state in kenya: from “harambee!” to “nyayo!” that kanu “urged central control of all regions in an effort to forestall local majimbo legislation restricting land transfer to those born in the area, and to maintain the foothold of the party’s kikuyu supporters in the rift valley land market”.

Many settlers were returning to britain. Kenyatta and his cronies quickly formed the settlement transfer fund schemes (stfs) and asked the british for a loan to the kenyan government, to buy off land from colonial settlers returning to britain.

Good idea up to this point. Britain, having been reassured by kenyatta that those settlers still wishing to stay on in kenya would not have their land repossessed, advanced the money. This money was used to buy settler land which was officially sold into the kenyatta initiated settlement transfer fund schemes (stfs).

next, kenyatta began to give away and sell for peanuts, these government (stfs)-acquired, former colonial land parcels, to himself, his family and cronies around 1964 and 1965. This is the point when the rain started beating kenya. Kenyatta’s then vice president, jaramogi oginga odinga, cried foul and rejected these acts of wanton land grabbing.

the opportunity to choose nationalism and selflessness over greed and ethnic tendencies was lost. Rather than address this land issue once and for all, kenyatta opted to replace the settler colonialsist in land they had initially grabbed from natives. We have began harvesting the seeds of the mustard sown by kenyatta in the 1960s. It will not be sweet at all.

the seroneys and other nandi and kipsigis leaders immediately cried foul when kenyatta ensued in his land grabbing tendencies. So were many maasai and miji-kenda leaders like ronald ngala. Their cries were feeble and over run. Today and tomorrow, their descendants will demand justice and restitution in an exercise that threatens to tear apart kenya’s social fabric. who will shoulder the burden of the fruits enjoyed by kenyatta and his cronies, moi and his cronies, and kibaki and his latter day cronies? will it be the poor kenyan taxpayer taking the bill in form of blood, and more taxes?

going back,…. Down memory lane….. In the immediate post-independence era, the moment, the seroneys and ogingas started crying foul, and nothing was done, we entered a dangerous phase of our nation’s socio-political path. The political leadership of kenya began carving out into two distinct groups.

The pro-kenyatta land beneficiaries, sycophants and apologists where daniel moi, paul ngei and others trooped towards,….and another force resisting the greedy post-independence governance by kenyatta which was led by jaramogi oginga odinga, and included several former kadu operatives like ronald ngala, jean marie seroney, masinde muliro, martin shikuku and others

Senator said...

Phil I support your arguments fully but let me be very clear by those who are naive and almost stupid thinking that you can resettle Kikuyus back to Riftvalley by force-by using the security forces..this wont just work unless you will provide security to each kikuyu household for the next 10 years..

Its ironical that Kibaki and some Kikuyus are preaching peace and reconciliation but at the same time insisting that kalenjin sons and daughters arrested in the electoral violence MUST be prosecuted.Now this is the highest level of stupidity and naivity..You cnat tell Kalenjins to live as brothers and sisters with Kikuyus but at the same time jailing thier sons and daughters on something that was directly influenced by the same stolen election that we want to put behind us.It wont just work..

This is the way forward:Release all those who were arrested due to electoral violence(remember the mai thief who caused these violence is in office as President),secondly start a dialogue with kalenjin elders on resetlement,third start resettling Kalenjins who were evicted from Mau Forest too..Kibaki must listen to the Kalenjins in this resettlement issue or else there will be bloodshed soon..and the sufferers will be Kikuyus again..

You dont reconcile people using arrogance..tribal hatred..and still think that you will succeed..It wont work Kikuyus...

Anonymous said...

Phil, we like the blame game don't we.
Kalonzo ati is to blame for all the Violence. These are ludicrous claims coming from a severely desperate man.

Anonymous said...

Kenyan politicians never cease to amaze, and us kenyans too.

Yaani they have shared the spoils now nobody is talking about the talks for long term solutions. They dont give a dime now that they have gotten themselves what they wanted, and what do we kenyans do? Follow them like mbuzi, forgetting with them. We want an article here about the talks for a long term solution in the country.

We also want an article about the Dominion saga. All the mainstream media know the names of the politicians who demanded bribes and then are frustrating this group. Why dont you publish them here? These people only care about their tummies and they could watch wananchi die without moving a finger. Not only do they not do the work we pay them to do but they also stop others who are bringing us some developement kidogo.

Name and shame them. And PM RAO if u read this please react for our sake. This group is bringing us development but some greedy baboons are frustrating them and manipulating people against them.

Anonymous said...

Senator,
Prosecution to post election violence perpetrators is unconditional. They broke the law and thus MUST be dealt with in full force of the law. Stolen election or not, thou shall not kill. As a matter of fact the death penalty should be made applicable.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Senator,
Prosecution to post election violence perpetrators is unconditional. They broke the law and thus MUST be dealt with in full force of the law. Stolen election or not, thou shall not kill. As a matter of fact the death penalty should be made applicable.
=========================================

OF COURSE AND WE ARE WAITING FOR THE MORE THAN 10,OOO MUNGIKI'S TO BE PROSECUTED FOR THE ELECTIONS VIOLENCE AND KILLINGS IN NAKURU ANS NAIROBI!! AND IF THE POLICE DO NOT KNOW THEIR FACES TO ARREST THEM??
WE HAVE MANY OF THEM ON VIDEO Tape
to help with the arrests

And yes all the ones stationed in Muranga. kiambu, thika, nyeri, nyadarua must be arrested for killings and post election violence- no immunity!!

Anonymous said...

anon 9:53 AM
I agree with you totally and let Martha Karua show as facts on how many MUngiki are charged and waiting to be prosecuted before she spews more lies

Kenyans insist to see that least and to confirm the least with each mungiki in remand!!

Karua must be made to understand this is a different kenya and she has to show as body proof on how many mungiki's her mouth piece is prosecuting!!!

This is not the same kenya Martha Karua allowed kibaki to execute people without a day in court!!

Abass said...

Phil, I have to agree with you. IDPs are IDPs, whether they are Kikuyus or not. The other IDPs should be resettled as well. I have no sympath for the Kkuyu IDPs alone, I sympathise with all. And they are no better. Raila should also be careful and resist to be dragged into this saga. Ad for the issue of protocol, everyone now says it is upto the president etc.. I am no surprised coz I know Kibaki is as powerful as he were and the Act didn't change much, but for the sake of peace. It is going to be a rough terrain in front but we hope for the best.

Fave said...

I wonder why we punch so many keys on our keyboard to discuss an obvious non-entity like Kalonzo. Unless he does something significant like end his life in shame, I will have no further comment on him apart from telling that the vice presidency as of now is not even worth a pitchfork of pig manure.

Anon 9:58am raises a very pertinent point. We are the only nation where evidence is available on video showing crimes such as murder and aggravated assault and we do not make an effort to prosecute those individuals. Yet we want to prosecute others (Ruto) based on rumors and spurious claims!
The first act of violence was stealing our democracy by the dictator and he is should be the first to be prosecuted.

Senator said...

If Karua and other Kikuyu leaders feel that PRISECUTION goes with Reconciliation then prosecute the MAIN election THIEF who is Mwai Kibaki and Samuel Kivuitu..and Mungiki...see u cant prosecute Kalenjin sons due to an electoral violence that was triggered by Kibaki theft and at the same time ask kalenjins to view kikuyus who will be resettled as BROTHERS AND SISTERS..It wont just work..and soon there will be bloodshed again..

Secondly you must also resettle Kalenjins displaced from MAU FOREST by Michuki in 2005..everyone is important..Its useless prosecuting ordinary citizens while KIVUITU is earning tax payers money everyday and he is the one to blame for the election fiasco..Kenyans wake Up..wake up...

Anonymous said...

i agree fave, hata mi sasa nimewacha kudiscuss non-entities, it is clearly a waste of time. but i will still say this....those of you still wondering about protocol issues.....here is my man raila odinga telling it like it is...and in the presence of your president and his sidekick to boot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7d3jJajSEU&feature=user.....everything else is irrelevant!

-Mrembo

Anonymous said...

UHURU KENYATTA'S FAMILY LAND ASSETS?? AND YOU WONDER WHY WE HAVE IDP'S IN KENYA???? SHAME!!! SHAME! SHAME!!!!

Among the best-known parcels owned by Kenyatta’s family, for instance, are the 24, 000 acres in Taveta

Others are 50, 000 acres in Taita that is currently under Mrs Beth Mugo, an MINISTER NOW IN THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT and niece of the first President,

29, 000 acres in Kahawa Sukari along the Nairobi—Thika highway,

the 10,000 acre Gichea Farm in Gatundu, 5,000 acres in Thika,

9,000 acres in Kasarani

the 5, 000-acre Muthaita Farm.

These are beside others such as Brookside Farm, Green Lee Estate, Njagu Farm in Juja, a quarry in Dandora in Nairobi and a 10, 000-acre ranch in Naivasha.

The acreage quoted in this report is not extracted from official government records — there are none and those that exist are scattered and some cases incomplete — but are estimates based on close to a year of interviews with farm staff, independent surveyors, Ministry of Lands experts and land rights NGOs.

Other pieces of land owned by the Kenyatta family include:

THE 52,000-acre farm in Nakuru

AND 20,000-acre one, also known as Gichea Farm, in Bahati under Kenyatta’s daughter, Margaret. Besides, Mama Ngina Kenyatta, widow of the former President, owns another 10, 000 acres in Rumuruti while a close relative of the Kenyatta family, a Mrs Kamau, has 40,000 acres in Endebes in the Rift Valley Province.


NOBODY SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN KENYA TO HAVE MASS LAND ACQUIRED ILLEGALLY FROM THE BRITISH FUNDS AFTER INDEPENDENCE!!! HISTORIC INJUSTICES ON LAND ISSUES MUST BE ADDRESSED- IDP'S CAN GO SETTLE ON THE ABOVE LANDS- SOME OF THIS LANDS WHERE STOLEN FROM THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS BY THE THEN PRESIDENT KENYATTA

Anonymous said...

HEY Mrembo

HAPA PALE HUKO TUKO IKO ?? KIBAKI'S SWAHILI LEAVES LITTLE TO BE DESIRED AND OH YES HE FORGOT MPUMBAVU MAVI YA KUKU:)

YAP RAILA WAS PUTTING HIS JUNIOR OFFICER KILONZO MUSYOKA IN HIS PLACE!! AIRFARCE!!RIGHT BEHIND HIM-
IT IS KIBAKI I SEE WITH A WORRIED LOOK- HE FEARS KILONZO?? I WONDER WHY??

bUT THE KAMBA CHRISTIAN KILONZO IS MAKING SURE UHURU WILL NEVER STAND A CHANCE FOR THE NEXT ELECTIONS -
HE IS STAMPING HIS RIGHTS- REMEMBER IF KIBAKI WERE TO GO NOW!! KILONZO WOULD STEP IN NOT UHURU AND THEN !!

KIKUYU'S SHOULD FORGET!THE NEXT PRESIDENCY!

Senator said...

SECOND UHURU PROJECT DEAD IN THE WATER..Phil I think you should write about this..I wanted to but I cant post in Kumekucha..The Gema are already looking forward to 2012 with Uhuru as their flag bearer but this project is dead even before take off...

First Uhuru has no base at all that can propel him to the Presidency..haveing lost Rftvalley..he only remains with Central..taking the 2007 elections..we have proved that you cant win the presidency with central alone no matter what..thats why Kibaki lost and mark you he was an incumbent..

Secondly,Uhuru Kenyatta chances will be hurt by the same Kalonzo Musyoka who will stand anyway..he will not agree to run as Uhurus second in command after being VP for five years..but again he has such a big ego that wont allow to play a second fiddle..

Thirdly the perception to day in Kenya of uhuru is one who abandoned his role as official opposition leaders for tribally calcilated move..Kenyans have not forgiven him for that..

Fourthly his association with the vanquished Moi dynasty will play a diadavanged role in 2012..becuase Moi will still cme out in support of the project...

Uhuru canddacy in 2012 is dead as a dodo..Gema should look elsewhere..if they were bright enough they should have kicked Kalonzo out after the PNU/ODM deal..they had nothing to loose...

Anonymous said...

After watching the protocol fiasco on TV, my 10-year old son asked,"If Kalonzo is senior to Raila, how is it that when there is a crisis, Raila sits alone with Kibaki and has never been seen consulting his "immediate senior" Kalonzo?" I told him, "Tell that to renowned lawyers Karua, Mungatana, Wetangula and Kilonzo

Anonymous said...

anon12:36 PM

Tell your son Kibaki is scared of kilonzo- it is honor among thieves now!!kibaki has a rope around his neck- he paid for Kilonzo to support his illegal status as president and now he can not wish kilonzo away-

Kilonzo musyoka himself is positioning himself for the 2009 December elections- UHURU OR MARTHA KARUA THE OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDERS HAVE NO CHANCE IN HELL!!KILONZO THE SPOILER WILL DO THEM IN THE SAME WAY !!

YES i THINK KIBAKI HAS A RIGHT TO FEAR THIS KAMBA MAN THAT HE MADE THE PACT WITH!! WITH THAT BIBLE ONE CAN NEVER TELL WHAT HE WILL DO NEXT:)

Anonymous said...

KUMEKUCHA?? OR ANYONE
CAN SOMEONE POST HERE on youtube THE

Kikwetu festival concert that took place at the German Ambassadors residence Nairobi yesterday?? i hear it is on Africast T.V is it on NTV or KTN??

Thanks and most appreciated-

Anonymous said...

Anon: 12.51 Kikwetu was on KTN and you can watch it on Africast.

Anonymous said...

Many have said it here in different ways. Some have even suggested that this is not worth even talking about. Even so I want to say it for the benefit of the lieutenants lurking.. Why did your smooth-talking sidekick ODM-K captain side with the embattled incumbent in Kenya's hour of need? It short-sighted and purely self-serving. So much for the idea of the 'good christian'. I can't wait for the day we rid him (KM) from public office.

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