We have taken spiritual matters to another level. The so-called Kenya’s National Breakfast Prayers has been turned into another annual ritual to mock God. And God will surely and promptly pay us the dues.
The cheap gimmick of hosting Kagame must be banished for what it is. It is the same hosts who are busy watering the seeds of ethnic hatred and chauvinism while shamelessly pretending to offer empty sermons against the same.
The more things change the more they remain the same. We are stuck with the same old political script abbeit executed by different faces. Kagame’s presence at the BIG BREAKFAST reminds you of Moi’s cheap shot of airing footage of Rwanda’s genocide pictures to warn Kenyans against multipartism.
In one breathe we are shedding crocodile tears appealing for God’s guidance to reclaim what we trashed ourselves and with the other we are having police annihilate Kenyans in their thousands.
And what do we do when reprimanded by one Prof Alston?
Graduated deceit
Well, we have no shame in addressing sideshows by condemning the messenger while conveniently scuttling the bloody message. So what if Prof Alston exceeded his mandate? Splitting hairs is an art perfected by scoundrels.
Trust Wako’s toxic smile to come in handy in his plastic defense of extra judicial killing during his watch. Forget about the basic tenets of conflict of interest owing to the fact that he is among the key people accused of complicity in the massacres.
Waxing plastically patriotic and mouthing all those sovereignty balderdash won’t wash. We are our own enemies and now we have even graduated with the temerity to MOCK GOD. Ole wetu.
The Mutuas and Wakos better travel to console the family of a Pastor gunned down in Kisii by the police in a Case of mistaken identity minutes after dismissing Prof. Alston.These guys are quick to defend the vice and no wonder they climb new heights to even Mock God.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't they come clean before inviting God for blessings? Anyway,most of them are devil worshippers so you know which god they were calling upon
Moi's cheap shot of displaying Rwanda's genocide to warn Kenyans against multipartism...
ReplyDeleteA little simplistic I think. Moi might not have been the brightest and most flamboyant leader in Africa, but he had a knack for understanding Kenyans' psyche that is lacking in Kibaki and Raila. These two are all about power at whatever cost. So give Moi his due, we never witnessed such violence during his tenure. There is much that we can learn from Moi about ourselves.
What happened to Chris?Or can we start believing the romours that used to appear here about KK having being sold coz definitely of late it has degenerated to an ODM propaganda and PNU bashing outfit.
ReplyDeleteAnon@7:13 - I would not call a police state + Kabarnet gardens progress by any stretch. Give me a break, please. Think Biwott for a reality check.
ReplyDeleteHow dare you insult kagame the true african patriot! You Taabu are the biggest pretender. You pretend to protect the same same God you do not respect or fear. Go to hell, devil!
ReplyDeleteTaabu dont be a HYPOCRITE. Kumekucha is one of the WORST forums for ethnic hatred among Kenyans and youre here talking about mocking God? At least Kagame was doing something constructive to foster unity and so Kenyans learn from Rwanda. What is Kumekucha doing except laying the groundwork for a Rwanda-type massacre?
ReplyDelete@papa plus, violence didnt happen during Moi's time? Put all together thousands of Kenyans died under Mois regime from torture,clashes, executions etc. Maybe u were a kid during Moi's time or just naive. But don't insult the thousands who died and suffered under his regime. You see this the problem with Kenyans they forget so quickly or maybe their just ignorant of what took place. Thats why we keep repeating the same crap because we think "it never occurred before."
ReplyDeletethe time has come for us to do away with the political class. they should not be the ones deciding our fate... i hate them all.
ReplyDeleteAti mocking god. Who is god? "Religion is considered true by the common people, false by the wise and useful by the rulers". Cant remember the name of the person who said this but it is of course true. Napoleon said "religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich".
ReplyDeleteTaabu when your leaders meet at safari park to eat at your expense and to pray they want you, as a common person, to see they have given your problems to the god you trust.This god was invented by paul and fortified by constantine for this purpose.
When will africans see there is no god who intervenes in human affairs? We are now even getting missionaries from the American South and South Korea. Why cant they go to europe where christainity has died? Or they know they will be laughed off the street? There is a global attempt to keep africans stupid.
You cant mock a non existent entity. Your rulers just want you to believe in "HIM/HER/IT" so that you dont blame them for your problems. Your problems have been referred to god. got it taabu?
ReplyDeleteIt is very stupid for anyone to assume that, the so called sovereignty will stand in the face of obligations erga omnes.
ReplyDeleteWell said Taabu, you are spot on:
ReplyDeleteThe so-called Kenya’s National Breakfast Prayers has been turned into another annual ritual to mock God. And God will surely and promptly pay us the dues.
DO NOT MOCK GOD. WHEN YOU MOCK GOD, THIS ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENInternal Security Minister George Saitoti blamed MPs from the Mungiki-affected areas of a conspiracy of silence.
Prof Saitoti who was speaking in Parliament during a heated debate as MPs responded to his ministerial statement on the Mungiki-related killings in part of Central Province warned MPs that Mungiki was not a simple matter and that it had the potential of escalating into a crisis.
Prof Saitoti spoke on a day that the final report of the United Nations Rapporteur on Human rights Philip Alston on Kenya was released ahead of its official launch next week.
In the report, Alston calls for the sacking of Attorney General Amos Wako as well as Police Commissioner Major-General Hussein Ali. In Parliament, the matter of killings by Mungiki and vigilante groups was referred to a parliamentary committee due to conflicting death statistics.
While Saitoti says 26 people were killed, Ms Martha Karua (Gichugu, PNU) maintains that 43 were killed.
Karua tabled a document detailing names of the dead, where and when they were killed.
Temporary Speaker Margaret Kamar directed that the Parliamentary Committee on Administration and National Security investigate the killings.
Prof Saitoti and Karua clashed in their accounts of the events of April 20 and April 21 when Mungiki suspects went on a killing spree in what was allegedly a retaliatory attack against vigilantes.
Whereas the former Justice minister claimed the people of Kirinyaga Central were living under a reign terror under State-sponsored vigilante groups, the minister alleged order has been restored and special anti-Mungiki security forces deployed.
Massacred lot
They differed regarding the number of people killed during the massacre, whether the rule of law has been suspended in central Kenya and if the Intelligence service, Provincial Administration and other security agencies were complicit in the bloody events.
Saitoti enumerated Mungiki’s alleged bloody campaigns against local people apparently to state the cult’s macabre traits and rationalise the peoples "spontaneous uprising" on April 20.
But Karua held that the ministry was manipulating figures and information to distort the truth.
She called for investigation and reprimanded the local DC and Intelligence but Saitoti defended them.
MPs rallied behind Karua and questioned the Government’s willingness to tackle insecurity and organised crime and intercept intelligence, prompting Mr Danson Mungatana (Garsen, Narc-K) to demand a parliamentary investigation.
Saitoti gave a ministerial statement that began with a historical narrative of Mungiki’s extortion, rape, abduction and murder in Central Province.
He then rebuked local leaders and accused them of a "conspiracy of silence" on a matter he claimed "could destroy this country".
He said Mungiki retreated to the region after it was driven out of Nairobi by a security crackdown in 2007. The sect then took over Kirinyaga and held locals hostage.
He claimed vigilantes launched an uprising on April 20 and killed 15 Mungiki members. The gang retaliated and slew eleven people the next day.
Mr Fred Kapondi (Mt Elgon, ODM) said the Government cannot extricate itself from the collapse of law and order. Mr Ekwe Ethuro (Turkana Central, PNU) claimed security agents in Central had declared war on youth in the name of fighting Mungiki.
BOTTOM LINE: DONT MESS WITH GOD. FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT do not pay. They lead to things like the above
Taabu aka Taabu,
ReplyDeleteThe sad thing is we really need alot of prayers and the breakfast would have been the perfect place to repent from all the gambling we've been doing with precious human life. we need to do some serious business for this nation in the name of the almighty
If God had walked into...yesterday morning i'm sure all sides would have run for cover and ducked out of sight in fear because they know they've fallen out of favour with Him a long time ago and meetings like this without his company cannot change His mind by trying to curry his favour
Nevertheless these scoundrels will continue to seek prayers for divine intervention, asking to be granted courage not to give up going 100 kilometres in the wrong direction even when all signs point to disaster.
How i wish sometimes God would hurry up and call our bluff-but the almighty is majestic He takes his time and does things right-our time shall come.
meanwhile it's Friday in MIJINJO and believe you me Taabu even Ronalo has nothing compared to what us LANDLOCKED immigrants enjoy here.military kitu gani? The sun never stops shining here even at night..join us won't you?
This blog just gets worse by the day. You accuse others of "watering the seeds of ethnic hatred" yet a quick perusal of your anti Gikuyu comments exposes you as hypocrites.
ReplyDeleteAt least we know where you stand regarding certain ethnic communities in Kenya. At least we know the media outlets watering the seeds of ethnic hatred whilst pretending to be indignant about tribalism.
Remember what happened to the likes of Hassan Ngeze before you keep posting your hatred here.
Kagame's speech which was very eloquent, clearly was addressed to Kibaki. In his speech, Kagame warned Kibaki that... "monopoly of power played a role in the 1994 massacre, but consensus, power sharing and diversity transformed Rwanda into Africa's model of stability."
ReplyDeleteI hope that Kibaki was awake when this good man, Kagame, was imparting to him these sincere words of wisdom.
Have you ever wondered how/why Wako has survived the three regimes of Moi, Kibaki, Kibaki/Raila? It is because he is very good in giving the leaders what they want to keep them in power. Indeed he has the mandate and duty of advising the president....and he advises them very well in how to rule badly and use the law for their own (and in the process his) selfish end. Can you imagine Wako entering a nolle prosecui in the first Delamare grandson's murdering of a KWS officer? He also officially sanctioned and gave government legal approval of the Goldenberg and Anglo Leasing fake contracts. And then he puts on a very wry smile that makes him ugly. Any regime that allows Wako to go on as AG must automatically be seen to be a corrupt one which will give no respect to the rule of law and which will instead use the law to do evil to the country.
ReplyDeleteAnybody who sees Moi as a saint (like papa plus 7:13)must either have been born in the Nyayo free milk era and still wishes to get free things or is suffering from selective amnesia. Moi is the brainchild of ethnic clashes. He's the one who subltly made Kenyans believe that Kikuyus are bad. He used ignorance of the masses (remember how he refused to allow FM and TV stations to be licensed and clamped hard on magazines and newspapers that dared to question him. I remember Biwott being given more than 10 million shillings by People and other newspapers for "defamation") and poverty to perpetuate himself (Luos-can-be-bought-with-5000/= and Luhya with sugar and lessos). The Julie Ward case has never been resolved. Kaleos were stuffed into Posta and Telkom countrywide. Please don't ever exclude, excuse or ignore Moi's contribution in the state that Kenya is in now. I get nauseated every time I hear him playing it holier-than-thou and giving advise to the current leadership. After all, is he not the mentor of akina Kibaki, Raila, Ruto, Kosgei?
ReplyDeleteGiven how Kumekucha has been a paradigm of national healing and understanding, where posters speak nothing but love, truth and enlightenment I can almost understand where you are coming from.
ReplyDeleteTruley kettles, pots and a certain colour not on the rainbow are required here
Spoken like a true Kenyan, Taabu--narrow minded, with a disturbing inability to project the future out of the current and even worse an arrogance that militates against learning.
ReplyDeleteIt was most appropriate to invite Kagame. For anyone living outside Kenya and looking in, it is quite obvious that the country is hurtling quite rapidly towards the Rwanda...problem (for lack of a better terminology). And we may reach there even before the 2012 elections. Just browsing the KK content puts you in the picture.
I do not see a problem with having the so-called prayer breakfast--after all Kenyans are self-confessed christians (someone quite nicely dismissed it as 'Bornagain-ism').
I wish they'd have these prayer breakfasts EVERYDAY and invite as many speakers as they can, with as much gory detail as possible, just to remind Kenyans that their 'Bornagain-ism'and ethnic hatred and genocide are a MAJOR contradiction in terms. But then who am I, Africans are well known for their inconsistencies. Sam Okello for example, is a perfect reading of that.
Anon 1:03 AM,
ReplyDeleteYou said:
"This blog just gets worse by the day. You accuse others of "watering the seeds of ethnic hatred" yet a quick perusal of your anti Gikuyu comments exposes you as hypocrites...."
What an fraudulent and outlandish comment. Nothing could be further from the truth.
This is the truth: Your fraudulent, deceptive and thieving "spin" on reality has run out of fraudulent and deceptive petrol and the truth is finally winning and coming thru.
Panua mongrels have been been very busy here at Kumekucha spining small lies (e.g that Mudavadi was with Uhuru Muigai "Millions of acres of grabbed land" Kenyatta at St Marys School) and big lies (e.g that Mwai "pumbavu" Kibaki won the elections - you call them erections - fair and square).
The fraudulent, deceptive and thieving spin on facts and reality had its day and now it is over. It is time the truth starts "cleaning' these lies
You also say that this blog is anti-Kikuyu. Well, if telling the truth is anti-Kikuyu, is telling lies, fraud, deception and STEALING pro-Kikuyu? Answer that Question - HONESTLY! and not with your usual panua inspired deception, fraud and theft.
Why are christians so stupid? Rabai Yeshua said "judge not lest yee be judged". Taabu and the other christards here know exactly what "god" wants. They can therefore speak for him and judge others.
ReplyDeleteTaabu, why do you play with God? Sorry that you are alive today. Pagan
ReplyDeletePeople died under Kenyatta and even Moi. My point was that we are incapable of learning from the past. You can not define your destiny if you are ignorant of your past. You can hate all things Moi but I think you will agree that Moi was anti multiparty because 1. he wanted to have power but 2. he feared tribal groupings.
ReplyDeleteCan you now argue that we a re a multiparty state when we have a GNU? Isn't that what KANU was all about? Everyone under one tent?
I have often thought that it is a shame that leaders do not write memoirs for the benefit of everyone and an insight to their thinking at the time. It is a great shame. Instead, we can sit here and pontificate all we want but the truth is that most of us here have never held elected office and hence know little of what we are talking about.
Vikii and Chris, I awareded you the Honest Scrap Award!!
ReplyDeletei have always wondered why some police or whatever he is, for some reason never a woman, stands behind the president.
ReplyDeleteYou dont need to talk to God from safari park and certainly not from state house, God listens even to those in kibera so by kibaki showing off his wealth by hiosting a five star breakfast to seek God's favor he is indeed mocking God , hasnt he read in the great book that it will be easier for a camel to pass a needle hole than a rich man to inherit the kingdom, or does he not know that you need to humble yourself before the father not chest thump and show off to the poor , why pray for God to help you poor citizens ,while you spend their taxes buying 500sh glass of orange juice ,, seriously what is wrong with africans???
ReplyDeleteGive unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give unto the Lord what is the Lord's.
ReplyDeleteMoi is the brainchild of ethnic clashes. He's the one who subltly made Kenyans believe that Kikuyus are bad.
ReplyDeleteJeez! let me see here.
Q. Who was it that declared that the presidential limousine will never cross the river Chania(?)or whatever that river is called on Thika road on your way to Nyeri?
It certainly wasn't Moi!
Dear Patriots:
ReplyDeleteIt is disturbing to learn that Raila's suits are taken to be drycleaned in a drycleaner in Oxford Street in London. While he has a right to have his suits cleaned wherever he desires, we need to know whether the Kenya taxpayer is footing the bill. Also, his usual mandatory stopovers in London for a change of clothes must not also be on the taxpayer's account.
Papa plus,
ReplyDeleteMoi did'nt want multipartism for the same reason Kenyatta proscribed the late Oginga's party...he feared genuine competition. For this same reason, he bastardised multipartism and ensured that it creates tribalism. Do you remember him say things like, "Kenya is not yet cohesive enough for multipartism", Do you remember him say that the original FORD was a tribal party, and yet the only tribe it didn't have was the Kalenjins? Do you see him on TV even now saying that KANU is the only national party in Kenya? Almost all democratic countries in Africa (SA, Ghana, Nigeria, DRC, Tanzania etc) are multiethnic, and yet the ethnic angle is not an issue there. All the presidents in Kenya have actively promoted tribalism for their own selfish ends. Why is the president not even pretending to woo the other tribes to his side? because he thinks the Kikuyus and Kambas are enough to deliver. Moi cleverly isolated the Kikuyus and because he recognised their numbers, kept on wooing the other tribes to his side. I can say Kenyatta proposed tribalism, Moi experimented with it and Kibaki has implemented it. Moi's experiment gave good results and Kibaki has now tested it under field conditions. It stinks.
From the way I see contributions on this blog, it seems like the majority of writers (and by implication, readers)are youth, yet the tribalistic tendencies they display here make me wonder what or who will remove tribalism in Kenya. Even the University of Nairobi students' elections held recently were clearly decided on tribalistic leanings-and yet these are the youth we are seeking to lead us!! Whooooosh!
Hello Taabu,
ReplyDeleteBeen long since i was last in the precincts of Kumekucha !You couldn't have put it better!Why weren't the prayers held at the real sites that mirror Kenya's leadership but at a place of opulence!
I wonder why this migingo fool wasn't in attendance.
A side note - should Ranneberger not be going about his business more discretely. Surely he does need to come across as a colonialist even if he means well.
ReplyDeleteHe should stick with mediated between the Principals rather than going to the grassroots.
BTW, Chris moderation is good but fluidity is important too.
Any post/s breaking the house rules of COMMON DECENCY will be promptly deleted.
ReplyDeleteNice.
Pray, what might the rules of COMMON DECENCY be? That is a new concept for us Kumekuchans. Please post those rules somewhere. Thanks.
What kind of stupid moderation is this? Takes a friggin 24 hrs before my post is posted! Kwani the Big Boys have to read things b4they're posted? Or is that just.....ummm, laziness, kwa roho safi tu. I hate this.
ReplyDeleteWho has to determine whether a post is within the rules of common decency? Raila Odinga? Chris, Taabu, Vikii, Phil or Pastor Owuor. What a wonder?
ReplyDeleteI mean no disrespect to this man of God but just have to say this: Pastor Owuor's beard is the hottest beard in the world.
ReplyDeleteHope I didnt break the house rules of common decency. Please post 'em, you clowns.
Anons 3:39, 2:34 aka Anons
ReplyDeleteThank God for moderation and i commend the editors of this blog for doing so
no one should be allowed to use lewd comments in KK to deride members of different ethnicities
If we want to maintain the fluidity of responding to bloggers posts in real time the key watchword must be common decency-
don't forget the people doing the moderation they also have a life and shouldn't be forced to waste time wading through our comments weeding out unnecessary rubish
sasa IMF have said there are no errors in the revised budget estimates and that the original errors were technical related and not fraud. Sasa sema taabu? Dont you feel stupid? That you relied on a person with social background on an accounting matter? What does mati know about finance? ask and find out why mati left TI. Politcs aside, the gospel truth is that the guy comitted fraud there. Taabu, dont be an idiot. We know you are moderating not to remove insults and post sensible comments but to shield yourself from embarasment. Dont you feel naive/chidish? A man of your age must guard his tongue, you carelessly jump into various topics without thinking; like a narrow minded UoN students who stone motorists who are MDs, HR Managers, CEOs of companies they will be seeking employment. Talk of idiots
ReplyDeletecan you first state here what the house rules of common decency are. We know you wont since the only rule is 'anything critisising me, my tribe, my party and friends/ allies' and 'anything ati kikuyu/pnu/kibaki/govt is acceptable regardless of language'. So pls shida take your crap and shove it! We know you as the usual backward silly village idiot. BTW taabu do you have a brain?
ReplyDeleteShield this: The fact is that the post-election genocide/killings of 2008 was perpetrated not against Kikuyus but mostly against the other tribes.
ReplyDeleteAccording to the Kriegler Commission and the Waki Team the numbers of those killed were approximately:
Luo--------278
Kikuyu-----260
Kalenjin---250
Luhyia-----175
Kisii----- 150
So, according to these figures actually LESS Kikuyus but MORE others', meaning, Luos, Luhyas, Kalenjins, etc were killed in the post-election violence in Kenya.
I ask, why is the propaganda machine of the thieves that stole the elections implying that one group suffered more than the rest and,therefore, are more desrving of post-election violence resources and compensation than the others?
It's about time Kenyans started writing about and discussing facts.
I,frankly, believe that censorship is for weaklings. Open the debate to all in any way, shape,or form. Let those who are offended opt not to read, gloss over what they find offensive, or whatever. But, just because they purport to be offended does not mean that they are any more objective than, say, someone who writes what they perceived to be tribalist.
ReplyDeleteNext, are you trying to regulate minds, hearts and souls, too?
In any case, these are the very same folks who would vote for a dog if it were running on the same party as a Kikuyu presidential candidate. I did not say this, Joseph J. Kamotho did in 1992.
a silly attempt by nation to associate our great leader, commander, comaptriot, inzanze, gurkan Kagame with the ape Raila. Pls note the good raport is coz of the r/ship with Kenya as a country. Kagame is kind and humble to ALL coz he understands the african problem of tribalism. Raila is a friend of Obasanjo, a true ape who slept with his sons wife. NOT OUR DEAR BELOVED KAGAME. And Taabu, until you understand this, you are a baboon. do you know the love our leader has for kenya and africa? Do you know why the world adores him?
ReplyDeleteThe Einstein @1:50 A.M, puhleaze! Now Kikuyus are masquarading as Tutsis. Kweli, we experience as we believe.
ReplyDeleteKagame is the very antithesis of the typical Kikuyu, save for the likes of Githongo, Kiai, Wangari Maathais, Kihoro, etc.
Kagame is trustworthy, reliable, uncorrupt and incorruptible, a national leader, development conscious, etc, etc. Now tell me how he could possibly relate to someone as tribalist and corrupt like, say, Kibaki? NO ANSWER.
Uhuru? NO ANSWER.
If you read what Kagame said at the National Breakfast Prayer Meeting, you'd discern that he was actually being very critical of Kibaki and his ilk. To Kagame, Kibaki epitomizes the reactionary African leader: divisive, who tends to monopolise power, run governments riddled with corruption and bad governance. In short, he was addressing Kibaki right to his face!
Call it chutzpah or call it guts. Kagame is my hero.
How can censorship be for weaklings when even the media are forced to regulate what they can publish in the public domain?
ReplyDeleteWhether self-regulation or other the truth is there's no such thing as free speech anywhere there are limits as to what is tolerable and what's unacceptable it doesn't matter how faint the lines that distinguish this are
In any case the so called Kenya with expanded democratic space is also under threat with media bills threatening to gag the press re-published every 2-3 years so we ourselves are not without hypocrisy
What are the house RULES of "common decency." Why are you afraid to post them so that there's no ambiguity?
ReplyDeleteSilly clowns!!!
Thanks for hitting the nail on the head .Kenya , is the most hipocritical nation on the earth .Kenyan christians have perfected the art of mocking God in the name of money and hegemony ,but sooner or later this will be paid .
ReplyDeleteAnon 3:16 AM,
ReplyDeleteYou put it so well:
Kenyan christians (many are of the Daniel "Kleptocrat" arap Moi and Kalonzo "Msaliti" Musyoka type) have perfected the art of mocking God in the name of money and hegemony, but sooner or later this will be paid back in kind by God with DEVASTATING consequences to these hypocrites.
5/31/09 3:16 AM"
"Luo--------278
ReplyDeleteKikuyu-----260
Kalenjin---250
Luhyia-----175
Kisii----- 150"
Hey!
1. Those numbers do not add up to the approx 1,333 fatalities listed in the Waki report.
2. the Waki report reccorded deaths according to district of occurence, not ethnicity.
Someone thinks we do not do our homework.
Anon 6.42 God doesnt use ya kind of warped thinking. How do you discern who is righteous and who is not n yet ya pretend to be a believer. Dont judge lest ya be judged. Who tells ya God is partisan and if he was what makes ya so sure he is on ya side. Be wary. Dont joke or use his name in vain.
ReplyDeleteActually, the numbers are as follows:
ReplyDeleteLuo -------278
Kalenjin - 158
Kikuyu ----268
Luhyia-----163
Kisii -----57
You can find them on page 344 of the Waki report here.
Your argument fails; it has two fatal flaws. First, it ignores relevant facts. The totals given in the Waki report are those of identified bodies, whereas there are several unidentified bodies recorded. So, for example, Waki found that there were 33 bodies in Uasin Gishu so badly burned that they could not be identified. He earlier found that about 50% of injuries in that part of RVP were Gikuyu. Assuming that rate holds for the reported unidentified bodies, most recorded deaths were Gikuyu.
In any case, deaths are only a rough measure of disproportionate victimisation. If you want to discover who was most victimised, the thing to do is to look for the ratio of crimes committed against against share of population. This report (which, in the following passage seems to ignore RVP displacements) finds as follows:
Kikuyu....and Luo respondents reported incidents of personal or family dispossession (33% and 20% of all incidents respectively) at rates well above their share of the population (20% and 14% respectively)
DANGEROUS Kikuyu Elite"s TRIBALISM against ALL other Kenyan tribes:
ReplyDeleteKENYA REVENUE COMMISSION
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1. Commisssioner General:
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Michael Waweru - KIKUYU
2. Board Secretary: Mrs Ngang'a - KIKUYU
3. Senior Deputy Commissioner, Investigation and Enforcement:
Mr Joseph Nduati -KIKUYU
4. Deputy Commissioner, Investigation and Enforcement: Mr Namu Nguru
5. Deputy Commissioner, Administration: Mr Karimi - MERU(GEMA)
6. Deputy Commissioner Procurement: Ms Murichu. - KIKUYU
7. Commissioner Customs:
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Mrs Wambui Namu. - KIKUYU
8. Senior Deputy Commissioner (Customs): Ms Githinji.-KIKUYU
9. Deputy Commissioner, Enforcement (Customs): Mr Maina.-KIKUYU
10. Deputy Commissioner, Finance: Ms Wachira.-KIKUYU
11. Commissioner Domestic Taxes (LTO)-
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Mr Njiraini. -KIKUYU
12. Deputy Commissioner: Mrs Mwangi. -KIKUYU
13. Senior Deputy Commissioner, Finance: Mrs King'ori.-KIKUYU
14. Senior Assistant Commissioner, Security: Major Kariuki.-KIKUYU
15. Senior Deputy Commissioner, Southern Region: Wagachira.-KIKUYU
They stole our votes and they are stealing our jobs. Fair distribution of jobs would be propotional of population i.e.
17% of those jobs have been stolen from Luhyas.
16% of those jobs have been stolen from Luos.
11% of those jobs have been stolen from Costals.
13% of those jobs have been stolen from Kales.
3% of those jobs have been stolen from NEP.
etc.
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Thank you for posting the rules.
ReplyDeleteCan I re-send in stuff that you earlier dumped but which doesnt
break any of these rules? It might be a little off topic, like a bunch of stuff already here that's not on praying and things.
Anon 1.15AM
ReplyDeleteYou need to get a handle or moniker for kumekucha so I can distinguish you from the usual anon idiots roaming up and down the streets of kumekucha like working girls on k-street.
I agree with most of your summation.
However, during Kenyatta's time, even the kikuyu were split somewhat into Nyeri kikuyus and Kiambu kikuyus. Moi on his part had to play the kikuyu delicately for survival and for practical matters. Kikuyus were entrenched in commerce and business and he needed them on his side. Ergo, Moi only had Kikuyu VPs until Musalia's short stint on the sunset of the nyayo era.
I've discussed many times with friends on the issue of tribalism in Kenya. It has gotten to the point where Tanzanians know to tell a Kenyan just by the fact that Kenyans will ask where you are from or your last name in trying to determine your tribe.
"Huyo ni mkenya!" they retort.
I also agree that is it very sad when the youth blatantly go tribal notwithstanding their exposure to the world as a village and education and the web. Seems like the tunnel gets darker and darker.
KK's rule on posting comments are ....NO TRIBALISTIC, racist, sexist, homophobic, sexually explicit, abusive, swearing, out of topic,,,,,,,,,,,blah, blah, blah. My well thought out and grounded research has shown that 87% (+/-2%) comments posted here over the last 2 month on the twin issues of Migingo and Mungiki are OTP tribalistic, abusive and some downright idiotic. Wake up KK, Bure kabisa!
ReplyDeleteAndruid, you have NOT done your homework. The fact remains that more Luos were killed than were Kikuyu. Fact.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, it is not debatable that adding the total number of Luhya and Kalenjin killed by Kikuyus during the post-election violence exceed the sum of Kikuyus killed. Fact.
Now, when was the last time you heard it written in the media that X numbers of Luhyias or Y numbers of Kalenjin were murdered by Kikuyus and should, therefore, be compensated by the state? Or resettled for their lost land and compensated for losing their businesses?
So don't get into little, silly, and inane subjective games and conjecturing about WHAT COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE. That level of debate is more suited for an average High shool student.
Just because you control the media and the state via a stolen election does NOT necessarily mean that you can lie and distort the truth.
Waweru
ReplyDeleteStop misleading bloggers.
What is the total count of unidentified bodies by province? You will find it follows the same statistical pattern.
THen you say
"If you want to discover who was most victimised, the thing to do is to look for the ratio of crimes committed against against share of population."
THat is more hogwash, there was only one intention with all of PEV, and that was to kill, maim or displace tribes considered to be hostile to the host tribe. Whether it was carried out against 300 or 300,000 does not lessen or intensify the problem. You are attempting to manipulate and misuse statistics but I don't blame you and am not surprised, you probably got your education from Steadman and Kenyan Gallup which was so determined to prove statistically that Kibaki would win the election.
Oh, not another one.
ReplyDeleteDaniel Waweru, are you and the other guy one and the same?
Just because you can spew a few numbers here and there, does that makes it the truth? Clearly, you and many other Kikuyus seem to think that the rest of Kenya owes you. For what I don't know.
Ever since the last elections, I have been reading in the media, and on other forums, about how Kikuyus were the victims of violence. One would think that the only people who perished were Kikuyus!
You can throw all the statistics you want, but it will NOT change the facts, or the truth, for that matter. Let me posit the following:
If Kenyans cannot even agree on the number of people killed during the post-election violence, how come that you and many other Kikuyus have readily concluded that Kikuyus were the victims of the "post-erection viorence?" If more 'others' were killed as the statistics clearly indicate, then why do we not seem to feel the same outrage and give coverage to these many 'others' victims? After all, more Luos, Luhyia, Kalenjin, and Kisiis died than Kikuyus. Fact.
You can question my data, but there is absolutely nothing that can prevent me from interpreting that set of data, based on the same report, and reaching the factual conclusion that more Luhyia and Kalenjin were killed than were Kikuyus? Another incontrovertible fact.
Why do we not mourn them too. Why do we not extend the largesse of the state and other resources to them, too? Heck, the press barely gives them coverage. After all, they were equally victimised by the same "post-erection viorence". Or where they not?
If we cannot agree on the facts, how do you expect us to agree on the truth?
As I see it, the myths that many Kikuyus (with some rare exceptions), and the Kibaki regime have developed post-election, are beginning to take on a life of their own. And people incapable of discerning the truth fall for these distorted facts hook, line and sinker.
What is the total count of unidentified bodies by province? You will find it follows the same statistical pattern.Actually, it doesn’t. You’ll find a tally of unidentified bodies by district on pp. 310-11 of Waki:
ReplyDelete1.Nakuru----------25
2.Nandi North------1
3.Trans Nzoia-----18
4.Uasin Gishu-----33
5.Eldama Ravine----1
6.Buret------------1
7.Sotik -----------1
8.Narok -----------2
9.Kakamega---------1
10.Bungoma --------1
11.Vihiga ---------8
12.Kisumu----------7
13.Siaya ----------1
14.Migori/Rongo----5
15.Kisii-----------2
16.Mombasa --------2
17.Nairobi -------10
As you'd expect, the districts that had the most intense violence have the most unidentified bodies. As it happens, the most intense violence was in the RVP, and it was directed mostly (but not, obviously, exclusively) against Gikuyu. It;s quite reasonable to infer that a majority of the unidentified bodies (especially in Uasin Gishu which was the epicentre of the violence) are murdered Gikuyu. That leaves a significantly higher total; almost certainly higher than Luo deaths, since unidentified bodies in Luo districts are far fewer. (Although estimating the ethnic breakdown of deaths in Nakuru will be tricky.)
Then you say if you want to discover who was most victimised, the thing to do is to look for the ratio of crimes committed against against share of population. That is more hogwash, there was only one intention with all of PEV, and that was to kill, maim or displace tribes considered to be hostile to the host tribe. Whether it was carried out against 300 or 300,000 does not lessen or intensify the problem. You are attempting to manipulate and misuse statistics but I don't blame you and am not surprised, you probably got your education from Steadman and Kenyan Gallup which was so determined to prove statistically that Kibaki would win the election.Every important claim in that paragraph is false.
There was a variety of intentions motivating the violence. Those intentions are not morally equivalent. (And the identity of the perpetrator matters too: civilian violence has a higher barrier to clear than state violence.) There’s no evidence that police violence in Western or Nyanza, for example, had the aim of ethnically cleansing the area. By contrast, civilian violence there was directly intended to do just that (see the Economist story. There’s no moral equivalence here.
Numbers matter. Other things being equal, the more people are murdered, the worse the crime. Self-evident, I'd have thought.
Waweru
ReplyDeleteYOu are amazing at speculation which you like to present as gospel truth. You take the unknowns in any scenario and use it to apply Agikuyu victimization. Come on bro, your crusade to "prove" that the Kikuyu or Agikuyu (you like to use this for more emphasis) were the most aggrieved, most deaths, most whatever is a tired and old trick.
The numbers tell you that all tribes were equally affected/impacted. IF you decide to isolate the Agikuyu vs the rest, then the rest of the other tribes were even more affected and we should be more concerned about that larger group.
You obviously are unable to view the PEV through any other lens other than the Agikuyu lens. So feel free to continue spinning your hypothesis in the delusion that anyone else other than those who share your myopic view will buy into it.
Kikuyus were being evicted (displaced), some violently so, whereas the state was out to exterminate opposition to its imposition of fraudulent leadership
You can throw all the statistics you want, but it will NOT change the facts, or the truth, for that matter. Let me posit the following:I think you’ve misled yourself here. In your 11:12 PM, you made a claim about what the Waki report said. The claim is false; and so seriously false that it gives evidence of a lack of concern for truth. The figures you quoted are simply not true.
ReplyDeleteIf Kenyans cannot even agree on the number of people killed during the post-election violence, how come that you and many other Kikuyus have readily concluded that Kikuyus were the victims of the "post-erection viorence?" If more 'others' were killed as the statistics clearly indicate, then why do we not seem to feel the same outrage and give coverage to these many 'others' victims? After all, more Luos, Luhyia, Kalenjin, and Kisiis died than Kikuyus. Fact.Even if both sides were equally rational and equally committed to reasonableness, agreement has little or nothing to do with what ought to be believed. Substantial bits of the disagreement are motivated by malice at worst or ignorance at best (see your 11.12 for example). So it’s unlikely that we’ll find agreement. We’d better follow the evidence, not the agreement of interested parties. The question is this: which was the ethnic group most victimised by the post-election violence? It’s tolerably clear that there’s only one answer there.
You can question my data, but there is absolutely nothing that can prevent me from interpreting that set of data, based on the same report, and reaching the factual conclusion that more Luhyia and Kalenjin were killed than were Kikuyus? Another incontrovertible fact.It isn't your data; as you said earlier, it's taken from the Waki report. No one’s stopping you interpreting it as you like, though your interpretation will be more convincing the truer it looks. The problem is that (1) you lied about the data, and (2) you’re drawing conclusions from it which you propose other people ought to believe. When propose that the rest of us ought to believe something, it’s your job to provide reasons. You haven’t. The question, remember, was which ethnic group had been most victimised by the violence. The evidence is fairly unambiguous, which is why you’re now arguing that combined (identified) Luhya and Kalenjin losses outnumber Gikuyu losses. On the evidence, that’s quite true. But you can’t reason from that point to the conclusion that Gikuyu were not the most victimised (for some suitable understanding of victimised) ethnic group, which is where the dispute is.
ReplyDeleteHowever, your evasion shows a commendable concern for truth, seeign as you’re no longer willing to assert something you now have good reason to think false.
Why do we not mourn them too. Why do we not extend the largesse of the state and other resources to them, too? Heck, the press barely gives them coverage. After all, they were equally victimised by the same "post-erection viorence". Or where they not?Well, several things. First, you keep assuming facts not in evidence. You can’t assume that every relevant ethnic group was equally victimised, since it’s not true, since your data don’t show it, and since I’ve pointed this out repeatedly. You need to show that there has been disproportionate media coverage even taking into account the disproportion in victimisation. Since your conclusion that there was disproportionate media coverage depends, explicitly, on the false assumption that there was equality of victimisation, there’s no very good reason to believe it.
Of course, it would be nice if you were willing (able?) to back up the claim about press coverage – with something other than you say-so, that is.
Your other assumption – that media coverage actually tracks or ought to track – the number (or proportion) of crimes is suspect. As a matter of easily-observable fact, it doesn’t. Spectacular crimes gain more attention than non-spectacular ones. Whether crimes should be covered by number or proportion is an argument for another day.
As I see it, the myths that many Kikuyus (with some rare exceptions), and the Kibaki regime have developed post-election, are beginning to take on a life of their own. And people incapable of discerning the truth fall for these distorted facts hook, line and sinker.Again, they’re myths only if they’re not true. The tricky part is that there’s reason to think that at least some of those beliefs are true.
«You are amazing at speculation which you like to present as gospel truth. You take the unknowns in any scenario and use it to apply Agikuyu victimization. Come on bro, your crusade to "prove" that the Kikuyu or Agikuyu (you like to use this for more emphasis) were the most aggrieved, most deaths, most whatever is a tired and old trick.»
ReplyDeleteI simply used the reported casualty rate to divide up the unidentified dead between ethnicities. That’s a perfectly legitimate technique. If anything, it is likely to lead to an underestimate since the unidentified bodies are largely from earlier violence (some of them are decomposed etc.) and the earlier violence was even more one-sided than the later.
And if you’ve read my comments, you’ll see that I’ve disputed the use of death as a metric – it’s certainly a crude one, and the better one is reported injuries versus population share. The disproportion there is starker: of 3561 reported injuries, 2193 were in the Rift Valley.
«The numbers tell you that all tribes were equally affected/ impacted. IF you decide to isolate the Agikuyu vs the rest, then the rest of the other tribes were even more affected and we should be more concerned about that larger group.»
The numbers tell no such thing. The second comparison you make is beside the point, since the issue was to ascertain which ethnic group was most affected by the violence.
Waweru
ReplyDeleteYaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnn !!!!
What a bucketfyl of crocodile tears from ACADEMIC mourners? Professional mourners beware.
ReplyDeleteWaweru, it is clear that try as you may, your attempts at painting Kikuyus as victims of the PEV is falling flat on its face. Kikuyus actually perpetrated MOST of the PEV. The numbers clearly attest to this fact.
ReplyDeleteThe fallacy of your argument is that you are misconstruing facts and pretending it is the truth; thus you use facts to justify your erroneous position hoping that we too will make the same inferences that you do.
Take for example, your utterly simplistic rationale where you list the number of unkowns killed in different districts in Kenya. You imply that most were probably Kikuyu. What a canard.
You then venture into pseudo-psychoanalysis thus:
There was a variety of intentions motivating the violence. Those intentions are not morally equivalent. Are they not? This is a glaring fallacy in your simplistic argument. These murders were ALL IMMORAL. Any Kikuyu, Kalenjin, Luo, Luhya who murdered ANY Kenyan in the PEV is morally culpable, as in, is IMMORAL. So, you are clearly wrong.
Secondly, you say: "numbers matter. Other things being equal, the more people murdered, the worse the crime. Self-evident I'd have thought." Now, you seem like someone trying to untie the proverbial knot, but the more you try to untie it the more entangled you become.
The data you present clearly shows that more Luos were murdered. Should we therefore infer that Kikuyus were worse perpetrators of PEV crime because more Luos were murdered? You add the clincher that it is, "Self-evident I'd have thought."
Your arguments fall flat because you are trying to divine TRUTH from a set of facts that feed into your preordained prjudices and biases. There is another name for what you and your fellow PNU types have been doing to date. It is called: LYING WITH STATISTICS.