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Tuesday, July 07, 2009

Tom Mboya: Why Kenya Still Wants To Forget

Jomo Kenyatta and Tom Mboya in Gatundu (there is little doubt that Mboya is upset about something): If history is the truth then it must be re-written.


The second and final part of the annual Kumekucha Tom Mboya tribute 2009


It is easy for those who do not know the whole story to make rash judgments about something or somebody. Indeed what the comments to my previous Tom Mboya post have proved is that David Goldsworthy’s title for his Mboya biography (Tom Mboya: The Man Kenya Wanted To Forget) was just perfect. The Kenyatta government succeeded a great deal in making Kenyans forget Tom Mboya. It saddens me how the new generation drowning in tribal politics have no idea of how to analyze the man without the sickening Kikuyu/Luo thing.


Lets get a few things straight first.

The evil that the Kenyatta government did and the ones that are still being perpetuated by the Kibaki regime have nothing to do with tribe or even Kikuyu supremacy. It is simply my-turn-to-eat-politics (not the turn of a whole tribe but just a few chosen individuals). Nothing more. Do you know which tribe suffered most under the Kenyatta regime? The tribe that had farms snatched from them? It is NOT the Luo or any other tribe. It is the Kikuyu. Look at what happened after the 2007 elections. Who are the majority in IDP camps? Our dear Kikuyu brothers of course. I dare say no other tribe has suffered as much from Kenyan politics to date. Even the Luo are a distant second when it comes to sufferings as a result of politics. Have we all forgotten what happened to our Kikuyu brothers during Moi’s long reign in power? Have you talked to coffee farmers who had their livelihoods destroyed?

So I agree 1000 percent with the commentator who brought this out in my previous Mboya post. My big appeal to my fellow Kenyans is that it is now time for us to reach out to our Kikuyu brothers so that we may fight the political class with one voice—as Kenyans. Those clever, greedy leaders do not want us to do it of course and will always divide us along tribal lines.

Secondly I would like to say that Mboya’s great weakness and at the same time great strength was that once he had identified an enemy he would usually single-mindedly focus all his energy and thoughts on finishing off that enemy completely. The problem with this is that he would only re-analyze his position very late in the game when he had already done plenty of damage. The numerous constitutional amendments brought to parliament between 1964 and 1968 are a case in point. They destroyed Kenya in that they gave too much power to a corrupt presidency. But let’s look at them in context shall we.

In identifying the colonialists as the enemy Mboya came out with the call Uhuru sasa which man Kenyans at the time felt was very far fetched. The hot-headed young man in a big hurry in his element. But Mboya ended up being the chief architect in delivering that Uhuru far much sooner than anybody had thought possible.

One thing that really fascinates me and I try to emulate from Mboya’s life was this ability he had to think about a problem continuously even as he read voraciously and widely about other things. Time and again Mboya would make sure he had done all his homework before even a political encounter and would come up with an effective strategy. The Limuru incident in 1960 which led to the formation of KANU is very instructive in this regard. Odinga had planned to form a new national party that would leave out Mboya. He laid his plans well but Mboya did his homework and called in favours from powerful people within the nationalist movement like James Gichuru. What emerged was a national party called KANU where Mboya was more powerful than Odinga as secretary general. Interestingly this secretary general post has been held by many after Mboya who have never made use of it the way Mboya did. Mboya used it perfectly for his political scheming because secretary generals call meetings and do most of the administrative stuff.

When Kenya gained independence his enemy was KADU and their federal system of governing. Mboya felt sure that the only way Kenya would end up as one nation with politicians like Odinga senior around, was with a strong centralized government. Of course he made a lot of assumptions in reaching this conclusion. For instance he assumed that President Kenyatta was sincere in his nationalistic ideals. Don’t forget that Kenyatta was Mboya’s inspiration when he started out in politics in the mid 50s. Mboya could not believe that a man would spend so many years in the struggle and in prison for political reasons would still end up being the greedy selfish leader that Kenyatta was. Can you imagine Nelson Mandela being corrupt?

Indeed Mboya discovered the true Kenyatta when it was very late. When he had already dismantled Oginga Odinga with such finesse that the Kiambu mafia were even more worried about him. In fact Mboya started saying openly that big man politics had not worked out so well for Africa after all. A person who admits openly that they were wrong is a rare and unique person and if it is a leader then he has to be great in my book. Mwalimu Julius Nyerere of Tanzania admitted that his Ujamaa policies had failed to work in Tanzania.

It is important to know that another reason why Mboya hated Odinga senior so much was because of his tribally-based politics.

Tom Mboya had ambition and there is no doubt that he was going for the presidency. However in seeking the presidency it is very clear that his objectives would have been very different from what we have seen from the Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki presidencies. Mboya achieved so much within such a short time. He was a powerful cabinet minister at the tender age of 28 for instance. What anybody would gather from this is that he aspired to much higher ideals than grabbing every available piece of fertile land that he would lay his eyes on. He had no tribal base around which to build a kitchen cabinet where the most powerful man has to be the one who comes from as near as possible in his village.

Mboya was NOT perfect. Indeed he was a serious womanizer and when his charm was not turned on the electorate it went to many different attractive women across the world. Still Mboya did not become so popular by accident. It is instructive that JM Kariuki’s own popularity climbed in leaps and bounds when he became the only Kikuyu to be allowed to attend the funeral of Mboya on Rusinga Island. If Mboya was able to see this from beyond the grave he would have hung his head in shame at how people turned his funeral into a tribal affair when he had fought all his life and died in the cause of nationalism and fighting what he called “negative tribalism”. He would have been sad that so many of his close Kikuyu friends were not able to pay their last respects because of the tribal monster that rose up.

Even today, ask folks who Kungu Karumba was. Or even who JM Kariuki was. With all due respect you will hear very little. Whenever I meet a person who was old enough in the 60s I always ask them if they could remember Mboya. Their reactions are always the same. Asians, Europeans, Africans, former Kadu diehards. Kikuyus, Giriamas, whatever tribe you care to think about. The whole lot usually react so similarly.

Their eyes light up and they start talking excitedly. They usually talk about a Kenyan leader who was different. A leader like no other they have seen since. A leader who put Kenya before their own personal interests. A man who had he lived would have taken care and made sure Kenya did not sink to where we are now.

Thanks TJ, let another like you come quickly.

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76 comments:

Anonymous said...

After this "final" tribute are you going to move on or are you going to continue weeping over a death that happened 4 decades ago?

Mwambu said...

Despite his many faults, I have consistently argued that Mboya was a different type of Kenyan leader; a deep thinker, intellectual, strategic and a policy wonk to boot.

I, personally, am reminded of a conversation I once had with former UN Ambassador Andrew Young about African leaders. I had initially asked Young to tell us about his recollections of the assassinated Civil Rights leader, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. Our conversation soon segued into a discussion of African politics, Young's role first in the Angola crisis, the Rhodesia/Zimbabwe quest for majority rule, and finally on Kenya politics.

Ambassador Young intimated to me and of course to the rest of the audience that the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr, had the highest opinion of Tom Mboya than for any other African leader, bar Mandela who was still imprisoned at Robben Island.

Phil said...

Blogger Chris said.......

Do you know which tribe suffered most under the Kenyatta regime? The tribe that had farms snatched from them? It is NOT the Luo or any other tribe. It is the Kikuyu. Look at what happened after the 2007 elections. Who are the majority in IDP camps? Our dear Kikuyu brothers of course. I dare say no other tribe has suffered as much from Kenyan politics to date. Even the Luo are a distant second when it comes to sufferings as a result of politics. Have we all forgotten what happened to our Kikuyu brothers during Moi’s long reign in power? Have you talked to coffee farmers who had their livelihoods destroyed?


We have had four general elections and one major referendum since 1992 when multiparty returned to Kenya. The Kikuyu have always found themselves on the wrong side of democracy in all these instances. WHY?

After your misplaced comments above, one wonders why do the 'maligned and marginalised' not use their numerical strength to vote in another 'Mboya'?

It is obvious that the Kikuyu vote is influenced first by ethnicity and not policies or any other factor that can make a voter elect a candidate in a democratic process.

Why, for instance, do they always find themselves voting alone for unpopular candidates or unpopular causes?

Why is that other tribes can vote, and have indeed voted for candidates of Kikuyu origin, and they have NEVER votetd for any of the numeorous presidential candidates we have had on offer since 1992?

Your argument is dead in the water. These people have been, through their own uninformed voting, the number one benefitiaries through and through, even during Moi's time that you mention in your post. Not only are they they biggest indeginous land owners they are also the biggest real estate owners, the biggest business owners and the people who have provided the largest share of cabinet ministers, judges, ambassadors, parastal CEOs and the majority in the civil service and other public appointments.

Chris, tafadhali TOA HIYO, WEKA INGINE. Jitetee route ingine.

I will shortly get back to you on another misguided insinuation that..... It is important to know that another reason why Mboya hated Odinga senior so much was because of his tribally-based politics.

Do not try to twist or rewrite history, the facts are there for any one who cares to research!

M-Pesa said...

Our History books should be re-written to reflect the whole truth about past national heroic figures like Tom Mboya and JM. The truth must also be told on the land grabber that Kenyatta was.

Political murders on Kenyatta and Moi's era must also come out openly in books. The Kibaki/Raila government has become a byword for rampant corruption and impunity.

Mama Ngina and Uhuru should do the right thing and return thousands of hectares of land that was stolen from peasants. Only the truth will set this nation free so we can move forward. Otherwise, our denial will one day explode and this country will cease to exist as we know it.

Phil's Mistress said...

Phil, why should Kikuyus vote for a Jaruo president? Tell me one good reason. COME ON

Phil's Mistress said...

Tom Mboya was hot! very yummy yummy GOOD LOOKING!!

Anonymous said...

Phil the IDIOT said
"Why, for instance, do they always find themselves voting alone for unpopular candidates or unpopular causes?" Why are you trying to rewrite history? UNPOPULAR CAUSES? 1992, 1997 and 2002 were unpopular causes? On the wrong side? which wrong side is this? were 1992, 1997, 2002 WRONG SIDES? Take your crap back into your shitty hole JINGA WEWE!

Anonymous said...

@Phil, you claim "The Kikuyu have always found themselves on the wrong side of democracy in all these instances. WHY?" On the wrong side? Just coz many Kiuks did not support your chief Tribalist Raila-VIP Toilet-Odinga in the referendum and 2007 makes them on the wrong side? PLEASE

Anonymous said...

So Phil, what "Mboya" was there to vote for in 1992, 1997, 2002 and 2007? THEY HAVE ALL TURNED UP ROTTEN INCLUDING YOUR GOD RAILA WHO HAD HIS SISTER RECENTLY APPOINTED CONSULATE, A FIRST IN KENYA! EVEN MOI NEVER DID THIS! THEY ARE ALL TRIBAL, NEPOTIC BIGOTS WHETHER KIKUYU, LUO ETC

Anonymous said...

Chris, you state - and it is very true:

"Do you know which tribe suffered most under the Kenyatta regime? The tribe that had farms snatched from them? It is the Kikuyu. Look at what happened after the 2007 elections. Who are the majority in IDP camps? Our dear Kikuyu brothers of course."

I shall add: The primitive and nonsensical Mungiki/Vigilante brutality and Violence that the Kikuyus in central province and the diaspora of rift valley are visiting upon themselves... for Gods sake, some of my Kikuyu aquaintances are scared shitless of visiting their rural areas in central province because they fear they may be subjected to the violence and brutality that is reigning supreme in central province.

Question: If these Kikuyus have suffered as you have rightly said, why do they still continue REPEATEDLY voting for these same people and systems that make them suffer? And at the same time, why do they express barely hidden hate for - and a highly MISPLACED sense of superiority over - anyone who comes from another tribe (especially the Luo, Kalenjin and Luhya) that is not Mt Kenya.

Question number 2: Why do the vast majority of Kikuyu's insist on only voting for a Kikuyu presidential candidate to the exclusion of others who may come from other tribes? You need not look further than read the comment by "Phils Mistress" at 2:10 AM:

"Phil, why should Kikuyus vote for a Jaruo president? Tell me one good reason. COME ON"

Chris you ask us to join hands with our Kikuyu brothers in ending this pumbavu state of affairs. Well, Chris I think you are asking too much - not your fault - but these Kyuks are not interested in joining hands with other Kenyans. We may want to shake their hand but their hands are always clenched into the form of a fist. Chris, it is a waste of time trying to shake hands with a fellow with a clenched fist.

Chris, yes Kikuyus have suffered greatly under the leadership of their own tribesmen but why this SUICIDAL behavior by them of always insisting and electing people and systems that always end up fucking them up over and over again.

Chris, I think I am justified in saying that our Kikuyu brothers and sisters have a very big problem that they have created for themselves. What you see happening within this community is a result of the chickens coming home to roost. The pumbavu values of FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT that they have lived by have come back home to roost and haunt them with a vengeance.

Anonymous said...

QN: If Raila can have his sister, who is obviously not qulaified for the job, appointed yet he is not even the president, what else can he do with all the powers. The truth is that the Odingas ARE TRIBALISTS! and can never match up or come ANY CLOSE to Mboya! The Senior Odinga has taught all his siblings what tribalism is....
BTW Raila supported Kibaki in 2002 for lack of ANY option. He wanted Uhuru Kenyatta, whose family has always had a grudge with, to definitively loose. THIS IS THE TRUTH!

Anonymous said...

So Phil, what other tribe have Luos supported? We now know that the only reason Jaramogi supported Jomo was to diffuse Mboya, and Raila supported Kibaki coz of lack of options. Otherwise in ALL general elections Luos have supported their gods, the Odingas. Why didnt Luos support Kijana when Jaramogi died? Didnt they all run to Odinga? FOOLS

Anonymous said...

ATI KIUKS HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED ANY OTHER TRIBE? DIDNT KIUKS SUPPORT MOI IN 1979? PLEASE TAKE YOU CRAP BACK TO YOUR ASS PHIL

Anonymous said...

Anons, We luhyas supported Jaramogi in Ford K, but when he died, luos fled from Ford K after failing to take over forcefully. However, we did not bear any grudge and supported Raila in 2007 in the interest of Kenya. We now expect Raila to be man enough and support our son in 2012. But will he? It seems his appetite for power has grown in leaps and bounds

Anonymous said...

Please, let's desist from this bug of supporting our sons and daughters.Leadership is not a reward nor is it a cognitive recourse.Let a true leader come up and persuade us to follow him/her

Anonymous said...

Phil;

Try to go easy on the Kikuyus. You sound a very frustrated person. Your emotional outbursts will not change a thing, instead you are destroying yourself from the inside. Don't allow worms of hatred crawl in your heart like that. Whenever you feel the suicidal rage of hatred, remember that you don't have to promote Raila by putting Kikuyus down.

Anonymous said...

Chris,
Be careful, you will be skinned alive by Raila worshippers if you insist on saying the truth about Mboya. By praising mboya they think you are undermining Raila (whetever that means). To them everything in politics is a zero-sum game. They know Mboya exposed the tribal nakedness of Oginga Odinga and for that they are blind to any achievements by Mboya.

Her Majesty said...

Phil,

You should start looking beyond Raila Odinga-- your demigod is not going to be there for long.
You should start asking yourself who will take the mantle of Raila in Luo Nyanza. And don't tell me Fidel!
And stop insulting my Kikuyu people! They have the right to vote for whomever they wish! If they didn't vote for your demigod Raila, then deal with it!
My people cannot be blamed for expressing their democratic rights, get over it!!


Wangu wa Makeri
Queen of Gikuyu people

Anonymous said...

Phil,
I want to leave you with these words. The Agikuyu do not owe Molasses Raila Odinga a single vote and they are not easily intimidated to vote for anybody. If you doubt that, go ask Mzee Moi. For 24 years Moi tried to destroy the economic base of these Ngai-fearing people hoping that they would cooperate with him the way Luos did, but the people of Ngai grew from strength to strength. Even the dejected Kikuyu IDPs in the RV will recover and in time multiply according to Ngai's plan. And no man, regardless of how many worshippers he has, can hold back the tide of manifest destiny.

Anonymous said...

THIS IS WHAT MBOYA WASNT

Office of the President
Ministry of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security
Assistant Minister: Hon. Joshua Orwa Ojode

Office of the Prime Minister:
Prime Minister: Hon. Raila Amollo Odinga

Ministry of State for Immigration and Registration of Persons: Hon. Gerald Otieno Kajwang’

Ministry of State for Public Service:
Hon. Dalmas Anyango Otieno

Ministry of Finance
Assistant Minister: Hon. Dr. Oburu Oginga

Ministry of Nairobi Metropolitan Development
Assistant Minister: Hon. Elizabeth Ongoro

Ministry of Lands
Minister: Hon. Aggrey James Orengo

Ministry of Public Health and Sanitation
Hon. Dr. James Ondicho

Ministry of Medical Services
Minister: Hon. Prof. Peter Anyang’ Nyong’o

Ministry of Education
Assistant Minister: Hon. Prof. Patrick Ayiecho Olweny

Anonymous said...

Phil,
Kikuyus CANNOT and WILL NOT vote for Raila Odinga, get that into your thick skull and move on!

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:27 AM,

You say:

"ATI KIUKS HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED ANY OTHER TRIBE? DIDNT KIUKS SUPPORT MOI IN 1979? PLEASE TAKE YOU CRAP BACK TO YOUR ASS PHIL"

You, Anon 3:27 AM, are either very ignorant or are a very big and shameless liar. In my opinion you are a big shameless liar.

The Kyuks never supported Moi in 1979. They merely begrudgingly tolerated him. They regarded Moi to be just a passing cloud that will soon "go away." You never seem to learn. You still try to use FRAUD and DECEPTION to make your pumbavu case. SHAME ON YOU!

Anonymous said...

Anon the village idiot @ 4.50 said
"The Kyuks never supported Moi in 1979. They merely begrudgingly tolerated him. They regarded Moi to be just a passing cloud that will soon "go away."
WOULDNT YOU SAY THE SAME FOR RAILA IN 2007? THAT HE MERELY TOLERATED HIM HOPING HE COULD CHEAT HIM OUT OF THE PRESIDENCY? EASY TO REMOVE THE SPEC ON OTHERS EYES, BUT LEAVE THE LOG ON YOURS. JINGA WEWE!

Anonymous said...

Anon it was 2002, and yes the same can be said of Raila/ Luos in 2002 when he forced a sick old man to sign an MOU to cheat him, hoping he would "go away".....

Anonymous said...

From the Ministry analysis above the true king of FRAUD and DECEPTION is Raila or is it "aliaR"
Surely Tom Mboya would not have been 1/4 this bad, even with his womanising ( arguably all men are womanisers anyway)

Anonymous said...

At least Kiuks didnt make Moi sign an MOU. This is what is called faith/ trust based support. FYI IT WAS LUOS WHO WANTED TO TAKE THE PRESIDENCY FROM MOI IN 81' NOT KIUKS, THIS IS ON RECORD!

Anonymous said...

Njonjo and his Luo comrades like Raila whom he still hangs out with wanted to steal the presidency from Moi. READ HISTORY, IT WAS KIBAKI WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN WHOLE HEARTEDLY PROTECTING MOI FROM THE MAFIA IN 79!

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:48 AM,

You say:

"Kikuyus CANNOT and WILL NOT vote for Raila Odinga, get that into your thick skull and move on!"

With that kind of hating attitude you will only end up destroying yourselves.

The hate that you show to others will one day come to haunt and torment you - it is already happening now with the Mungiki/Vigilante festivals of Kikuyus chopping their own fellow Kikuyus heads off, extortion, stealing and blackmailing....

I have more bad news for you Kyuks:
Things are bound to get even worse within the Kikuyu community. Your "values" of fraud, deception, theft, greed and massive selfishnes will guarantee that the more terrible fate that awaits you actually happens. The chickens will come home to roost

Anonymous said...

Yes Kikuyus supported a Kalenjin for the presidency in 1978 and that is on record. Remember the "change the constitution demos" in late 60s'?. If Kuiks were selfish they would have changed it easly
Whether Njonjo percieved Moi as 'temporary' the same way Raila viewed the old- weak-sick Kibaki as "easy to supplant" is an argument for another day

Anonymous said...

I dont know about all these arguments here. What i know is that Mboya would not take a podium in cosmopolitan Nairobi and speak in Dholuo, only cave man like Raila can. I wouldnt imagine he would stand in a barasa to address hunger stricken jobless wananchi and complain he doesnt have a VIP toilet and red carpet....this is the height of insensitivity! Thanks Mboya for destroying Jaramogi. RIP

Anonymous said...

What did Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki not do that Raila has done and will continue to do?
Appointing immediate family members eg Brother, sister etc to govt positions. Well congratulations Hon Odinga for scoring a first, a true NATIONALIST!

Anonymous said...

THANKS MBOYA FOR POLITICALLY FINISHING OGINGA ODINGA, GOD BLESS YOU SON! YOU PROBABLY SAVED KENYA FROM BEING A UGANDA, DRC, NIGERIA OR SOMALIA! THANKS RIP SIR, WE LOVE AND DEEPLY MOURN YOU, WE CURSE YOUR KILLERS!

Taabu said...

Theory of FEAR folks albeit incompetently packaged as reverence of the past. Just look deep inside you and see the hypocracy.

Fear and hate manifest themselves in different ways. It often oozes out of forked tongues rolled to disguise the evil inner shelf.

Living a collective lie never killed but it takes you so far albeit in the wrong direction.

Philip said...

I had started smiling when you said about the tribe that has suffered, but like Phil, I'll also say that this is self inflicted. Similarly I would like to warn the Luos who still think that Raila is the route to solutions to their problems, or Kalenjins who think Ruto would solve their problem. If Odinga's sister was appointed as US something, what makes the Luo think that Raila is there for all of them.

One thing I can agree with you is that we are living in the politics of "it's our turn to eat" - what Kenyatta did, Moi did and Kibaki did, and I can say without blinking an eye that Raila is also likely to do it! I can also argue that when Raila gets power it will mean that his cronies will get more money and they will want to acquire wealth, and possibly they will go back to "mashambani" to buy those productive lands and properties, eventually making even those who had a morsel of meat to have nothing at all. Who will loose? Obviously the Luos.

Therefore, not only Kikuyus, but also Luos and Kalenjins should stop this mentality of believing that voting for their own will solve their problems. We belong to the same country and come 2012 we should choose the best leader among those who will run, even if that leader will be a Kikuyu.

Okay lets live that aside. Kumekucha I think you need to tell us why you say Jaramogi played tribal politics before I believe what you are saying, and provide us with evidence.

Anonymous said...

Taabu said
"incompetently packaged as reverence of the past. Just look deep inside you and see the hypocracy."
Wont you also see alot of hypocracy in you? The many Lies you have peddled in this blog surpass your ignorance

Anonymous said...

Anon 1.58 am, you say history, but some of what you say is just chinese whispers.

I am tired of hearing how kikuyu's are the one's marginalising themselves from the popular vote, when Raila was imprisoned for his political beliefs, many Kikuyu's were there supporting him and protesting so he could be released.

They supported Tom Mboya, and there are may moderate kikuyu's who have always gone for merit over tribe when voting.

Stop lumping us all in one box, it is so wrong, you fail to even understand the way the Kikuyu community works.

You check your records, and you will see there are many more kikuyu's that are moderate than you believe. Number two, stop using 2007 as a litmus test for the voting pattern of any Kenyan, because that was a highly unusual election considering all the things that went on in the months leading up to the election.

Each person has their own vote, as a Kenyan. They can choose whoever they want to vote, thats their perogative. I dont agree with voting on tribes, on the other hand, if you want a member of your tribe to be supported by other tribes, endorse him properly and show a good leader.

Whether we are from where or where the main agreement is that we want change.

Phil said...

JE? MA-SAPERE MUNA NI-FEEL?

here's one for the road its been very cold in Nairobi lately. Shika joto kidogo.

this is by far the MOST hillarious email forward I have read in a looong time. Surely Kikuyus!!!!!


...... my ribs are still aching.

Where Kikuyus are...... there must be a problem..... and a solution in the making..................

Angel Gabriel came to the Lord and said 'I have to talk to you. We have some Kikuyus up here and are causing problems. They're swinging on the pearly gates, my horn is missing, they are wearing Savco jeans instead of their white robes, they're riding pick up trucks instead of the chariots, and they're selling their halos to people for discount prices. Furthermore, they refuse to keep the stairway to Heaven clear, since they keep
crouching down midway hawking their wings! They have sub-let their mansions and are now living in the SQs. They are even
attempting "atiriri" talk over here! I found some attempting to fit a carrier on the chariot for carrying "thaara wa n'gombe " (napier grass) on their way from
visits!'

'They are even using mpesa to send money to "andu aitu" in hell.'

The Lord said, 'Kikuyus are Kikuyus. If you want to know about real problems, call the devil.'

The Devil answered the phone, 'Hello? Hold on a minute.' The Devil returned to the phone, 'OK I'm back. What can I do for you?'

Gabriel replied, 'I just wanted to know what kind of problems you're having down there.' The Devil said, 'Hold on again. I need to check on something.' After about 5 minutes the Devil returned to the phone and said, 'I'm back.. Now what was the question?'

Gabriel said, 'What kind of problems are you having down there?' The Devil said, 'Man I don't believe this........Hold on..' in the background you can
hear "maya-ngai!!!"

This time the Devil was gone 15 minutes.. The Devil returned and said, 'I'm sorry Gabriel, I can't talk right now. Those Kikuyus have put out the fire and are selling me a match box if I want to light the fire again!'

Anonymous said...

Phil, Phil, Phil thanks for the old recycled humour to divert attention from a fire you have started (which we wont put out), just respond to the comments above or apologise! we hate it when idiots spread lies here to mask the real truth. Its sad that at our age we are as tribal as our parents when we should know better

Andruid said...

Something that has not come up but should is that all these debates, Tribalism, big man politics, and even corruption is that they are centered on finding a single 'genius' type individual to either assign the blame on or be the beacon to define the solution.

That is because anybody can trumped up as a saint of beaten down as a demon depending on the political weather with no reference to reality. Just look (critically) at how popular perceptions of Kenyatta, Kibaki, Odinga (both Raila and Oginga) vary from place to place and over time.


This should not be the case. If we are to move forward as a a nation we have to come together as a people behind the ideals and a belief in our common hu8manity. That we need strong and capable individualst to make this happen id not in doubt but it must be understood the leader is subject to the movement and not the other way round

Anonymous said...

Even Ruto realised how FRAUDULENT and DECEPTIVE Raila is. Look at how shocking this goon can be? 50% plump portfolios for his tribe and family! Half of the ODM 'nusu' hived off by this fraudster just a few days after being an ODM candidate on a platform of change, anti corruption and anti tribalism. Even kibaki waited kidogo before making his moves. SHAME SHAME SHAME!

Anonymous said...

Good to note that all the 10 ministries above are cronically underperforming. The only thing these people can do is pour water in glasses like waiters like what we saw Oburu doing for Uhuru during the budget speech. Thank you Raila for not appointing your cronies in the Agriculture ministry, we note that Hon Ruto has at least done something. Is this why you want him tried for Hague? Wacha wivu! Is this what you do to friends? Even after letting your son Fidels maize scam slide? Back stabbing ape!

Anonymous said...

If Oginga Odinga was President, Raila and Oburu would both be cabinet ministers. What a shame!

Phil said...

Blogger Anonymous @ 6.42AM said...

Phil, Phil, Phil thanks for the old recycled humour to divert attention from a fire you have started (which we wont put out), just respond to the comments above or apologise! we hate it when idiots spread lies here to mask the real truth. Its sad that at our age we are as tribal as our parents when we should know better


Anon, you must be dreaming. Me to apologise? Why should I apologise for saying the truth?

Just for the records, I voted for Jaramogi (FORD-K) in 1992, Wamalwa (FORD-K) in 1997, Kibaki (NARC)in 2002 and Raila (ODM)in 2007. During the referedum in 2005, I voted NO!

As you can see, unlike our brothers and sisters in CP, there is no evidence of an ethnic driven voters card in my wallet.

FORD-K was official opposition, NARC formed the government although both were apposition parties that managed to get MPs in all provinces of Kenya,while ODM currently has MPs from all provinces except Central, where luckily we got Dr. Bishop Margaret Wanjiru as the only ODM MP with origins from Central albeit elected in Nairobi. Exemplary record for my chosen political parties if you ask me...that your DPs, Ford-Asilis, NARC-Kenyas, KENDAs, ODM-Ks, can only dream of!!!!!!!!!

A typical voting pattern in CP from 2002 would definitely be: either Kibaki or Matiba in 1992, Kibaki in 1997, either Uhuru or Kibaki in 2002, Kibaki in 2007. Of course it is upon each voter to decide whom to vote for, but one cannot help notice the common thread in this pattern. It makes one cringe at being called a Kenyan! Dahh

But by far, the most regrettable of those ballots is that I made in favour of Mwai Kibaki in 2002. Kibaki is widely considered to be the person who killed the NARC dream in 2003 using his ethnic driven principals. This was a dream of millions of Kenyans from different ethnic backgrounds who voted for Kibaki not because he was Kikuyu, but because he united the opposition and all others dropped their interests to support him. Kibaki even went further and killed the official opposition, something that not even 'dictator' Moi never did in his 24 years of hell.

Taabu said...

Phil,
You can do better and you know it, will you?

Anonymous said...

Huh,kumbe Phil you are so old if you got to vote in the 1st multiparty elections.But why are most of your posts so thoughtless and immature as if coming from a stupid,still to know what life is under 25?You are such a disgrace!

Mwarang'ethe said...

Now, now. It is a fact that, Mboya played a very major role in dismantling the checks and balances of the Lancaster Constitution.

His brilliant efforts gave us the bogus current Constitution we have. To remove this bogus Constitution he bequeathed us, many Kenyans have shed blood.

If that is admitted, it seems to us that, it is no concession to admit, for it is logical sequence that, Mboya was a brilliant failure.

In our view, an institution is a lengthened shadow of one man. Flowing from this observation, the current bogus Constitution (which is an institution) is the legacy of Mboya.

And, if you disagree, we would be happy to know on what other basis you judge his perfomance.

Anonymous said...

Very shallow, weak and childish response from Phil on impt matters based on info on his voters card which cannot be verified. So, if true, coz you voted for wamalwa, all luos did? Didnt all luos run away from ford k when their god died and went to support his son in droves? kibaki allegedly killed the narc dream with tribalism, but isnt raila a bigger idiot and hypocrate by doing the same in appointing his tribesmen in rich cabinet portfolios/ govt positions and taking it to the next level by bringing his family members into govt? Isnt it insane for raila to repeat the same mistake and expect a different result? Assuming raila is sane, wouldnt it be logical to conclude that raila then desires the same result as kibaki in 2003 by appointing his tribal cronies? That is was deliberate, tribal, insensitive and selfish?

Anonymous said...

mwarengethe, mboya has one brilliant achievement; dismantling Odinga and his tribal+Communistic agenda. Funny enough like father like son. The senior odinga was a hypocrate like his son, preaching communism and proffessing capitalism by heart. Even mwalimu nyerere said this, kabwela wa kweli

Mwarang'ethe said...

Anonymous said...
mwarengethe, mboya has one brilliant achievement; dismantling Odinga and his tribal+Communistic agenda.

Our response:

Beware of those who shout so much about communism for they privatise gains/profit, but, socialise losses.

For instance, when someone grabs land which is meant for public, is that not a form of communism whereby, all people contribute to one person's wealth which he enjoys alone?

In any case, how are our roads owned? Is not a communism the way we own our roads, parks, schools etc?

More so, how is our 200 Km EEZ in the Indian Ocean owned? It is owned in a communistic way. If all these things are owned in a communistic way, why are you not shouting about it?

Think and do not just parrot what you heard.

kumekucha said...

Somebody wanted to be convinced that Oginga Odinga practiced tribal politics. Here we go;

i) Odinga senior hated Mboya because Mboya did not respect tribal ways where the older man is respected by the younger. Which meant that Mboya was supposed to shut up and blindly follow Odinga because he was also from Nyanza and older.

ii) When Odinga snr saw that Mboya was in poll position to be the first president of Kenya, he played the tribal card by calling for the release of an old man who was badly out of touch called Kenyatta not because he loved him but because he knew this would "fix" Mboya who drew the bedrock of his cosmopolitan support from the Kikuyu. This single action forever changed "the gear" of politics from the nationalistic approach Mboya was pursuing to a tribal one.

iii) Despite his many years in the opposition trying to create the image of a nationalist, when the first multi-party elections were called, Odinga snr could not get national support and instead made a tribal deal with the Bukusu (Luhya sect) but this was not enough to win the elections or even to beat second placed Kenneth Matiba.

iv) Contrast Mboya and Odinga senior. Odinga's support in the 60s was tribal where all Luos were supposed to follow him blindly without question. Mboya represented a cosmopolitan constituency where the intelligent voters had to be convinced with intelligent arguments and actions rather than mere words. Mboya resisted all calls to go back to his "easier" rural home (although admittedly he was virtually unknown there having grown up mostly amongst the Akamba people and the Kikuyu in parts of Kenya very far away from his home in Rusinga Island. Odinga saw this as a weakness he could exploit in Mboya and played the tribal card again and again against him.

Chris.

Anonymous said...

it is a fact that many kiuks at that time wholeheartedly supported moi when kenyatta. Some like njonjo had their ulterior motives but many found moi acceptable. Kibaki was one of these people and his efforts in this are well documented, even a local daily has written this. During the magendo purge in 79 to 81 many hailed and supported moi in his crusade. was he a kikuyu? In 82, njonjo and his luo friends including raila tried to remove moi. Except njonjo NO other documented kikuyu was involved. Kibaki was instrumental in thwarting this and this is the cause of njonjos hatred of him. this unfortunate 'Luo plot' was what changed moi for the worse. He started suspecting everyone including kiuks thanks to one man njonjo, who keeps to this day raila as a close friend. Raila takes alot of silly advise from this colonialist who is thw biggest mistake to happen to kenya

Anonymous said...

Wat constitutes someone being tribalist?
Phil(luo) votes raila(luo)=nationalist
njoroge(kiuk) votes kibaki(kiuk)=tribalist
tuju(luo) votes kibaki(kiuk)=sell-out
kalonzo(kamba) votes kalonzo(kamba)=tribalist
njonjo(kiuk) votes raila(luo)=nationalist
sirma(kale) votes raila(luo)=nationalist
moi(kale) votes kibaki(kiuk)=tribalist- jijazieni!!

UrXlnc said...

chris

lately the discussion on kumekucha demonstrates how hard it is, to engage any more in meaningful discussion on any topic, ranging from selling mandazi to space travel, unless we first tackle our biggest predicament and achillis heel that is our tribes. whatever points made are buried in the sea of confusion by some degenerate ethno-chauvinism

we need to spend time to discuss our tribalism good and proper, some aspects good, some disturbingly evil, others simply cultural, our disconnects and where some find common ground for ethnic partnerships.

lets do that first or at least sometime before 2012.

surprisingly, not many really care about their tribes in daily activity but for some reason, the defense, support or animosity against or for our three "leaders" and their psycophants always gets distilled to the tribal card.

all good posts and comments are getting wasted with all those tribal rants

kumekucha said...

Hello UrXlnc,

Interesting that u shud pose this question coz I hve really been thinking about it recently.

Why is it that on the ground Kenyans hve changed dramatically and hve mostly shed their tribal leanings and are waiting to shock politicians and the world. And yet here where we r supposed to represent the cream of society we r busy with silly Kikuyu this Luo that arguments? Could it be that somebody somewhere is trying to discredit this forum? Why is it that these tribal vomit rises the minute some really serious debate starts and subsides when nothing is happening?

I'm really puzzled.

Chris.

Mwambu said...

The solution for Kenya's polarization along ethnic lines might actually lie in a genuine Truth, Reconciliation and Transformation Commission.

I would envisage that everything should be on the table from the first day of Madaraka, June, 1st1963.

* Land allocations

* Political assasinations

* Wealth and property of every top civil servant, elected official countrywide since 1963

* Human rights abuses against Somalis, Wagalla massacre, Ogieks, etc

* Constitutional Amendment that No Luo can run for Prime Minister for next 50 years

* Constitutional Amendment that No Kikuyu can run for President for next 50 years

With the latter two in mind, Luos and Kikuyus will be forced to work together politically across ethnic divides.

UrXlnc said...

Mwambu

good points generally except the last two border on discrimination.

takes Obama's case, its not so much that a select (incumbent) group was barred from competing but rather that everyone was empowered to compete equally on a level platform. "affirmative" action also generates quality control issues.

on the other bullet points i generally concur, the caveat however is that given our highly volatile state, the question is, are we able to reflect back in time and work towards resolution going forwards or will we be permanently stuck in the mess of the past. alternatively are we able to put the past behind us and forge or focus on going forwards but work towards correcting the past as we move on?

which can we afford and which would be costly (in terms of cash, manpower, effort, collective conscience, cohesion, etc)

but i like your thinking

Daniel Waweru said...

Mwarang'ethe,

The centralisation of the state was good politics and good policy -- even at the time.

Since a weak state was a sitting duck for the extreme left and the extreme right, and since there was no prospect of serious land reform -- the KANU platform, pretty much -- without a strong central state, there were perfectly good political reasons for centralization.

KADU was getting assistance and large sums of cash from the settlers; its land-reform terms were easier on European settlers than KANU's. Success for KADU would've meant majimbo, returned power to the (settler) hard right, and it would have been the end of anything like serious land reform. Then, as now, majimbo was about power, not land.

(And you keep forgetting that one of your heroes, Odinga Snr., destroyed the first majimbo state during his tenure as Minister for Home Affairs by refusing to fund the jimbos; and by refusing to give Kitale back to Rift Valley.)

As a matter of policy, it was a good move. All the development thinking at the time demanded a strong state, because, it was thought, only a strong state could raise the capital and make the comprehensive plans necessary for rapid development. And Kenya was ever to have any form of nationalism, it was only ever going to be state-driven nationalism. That implied, and still implies, a strong central state.

You need to distinguish accountability and centralization: Mboya is criticizable for letting us end up with a strong state that wasn't accountable, but there's very little reason to criticize him for leaving a strong central state.

Mwarang'ethe said...

Waweru wrote that:

As a matter of policy, it was a good move. All the development thinking at the time demanded a strong state, because, it was thought, only a strong state could raise the capital and make the comprehensive plans necessary for rapid development. And Kenya was ever to have any form of nationalism, it was only ever going to be state-driven nationalism. That implied, and still implies, a strong central state.


You need to distinguish accountability and centralization: Mboya is criticizable for letting us end up with a strong state that wasn't accountable, but there's very little reason to criticize him for leaving a strong central state.

Our response:

When you say that, that time i.e. 1960's, it was good policy to centralise power. We ask, when did Aristotle tell us that:

"... a great city is not to be confounded with a populous one. More over, experience shows that a very populous city cn rarely, if ever, be well governed; since all cities which have a reputation for good governance have a limit of population. We may argue on grounds of reason, and the same result will follow. For law is order, and good law is good order; but a very great multitude cannot be orderly: to introduce order into the unlimited is the work of a divine power - of such power as holds together the universe."

We ask, when did Saint Augustine tell us that:

"...what reason then, or what wisdom shall any man show in gloryfying in the largeness of empire, all their joy being but as a glass, bright and brittle, and evermore in fear and danger of breaking?"

More so, Aristotle did tell us that:

"To the size of states there is a limit, as there is to other things ... for none of these retain their natural power when they are too large or too small, but they either wholly lose their nature, or are spoiled."

The fact is that, a devolved/majimbo system/small states is the best system. This fact was acknowledged long time ago by Aristotle and other thinkers. Thus, your argument that centralised states was the best idea in 1960's does not hold water.

This is demonstrated by the example of Switzerland with 26 states and about 8 million people. When we got independence, this is the route we should have followed, and we must say, we have to follow.

Furthermore, if all he gave us is an opaque centralised and dictatorial state, is that not a sufficient reasons to say he was a brilliant failure?

More so, have we developed rapidly due to this strong centralised state? No.

Have u really planned our development because we had a strong centralised state? No.

So, no matter how you and Chris spin it out, TM, brilliant as he was, he failed us.

Anonymous said...

Mwarangethe, why are you telling us crap from a guy who died in the ancient world? Stop quoting people who never saw a car, its irrelevant

Anonymous said...

BTW Mwarangethe, when you say 'our response' whom are you refering to? do you represent a coalition, tribe, political party, villagers etc and who gave you this mandate? If not just speak for yourself coz as far as we know, both sides of the political, tribal, social divide respect Mboya

Anonymous said...

Another maggot said:
"tuju(luo) votes kibaki(kiuk)=sell-out
njonjo(kiuk) votes raila(luo)=nationalist"
I guess you would also say that Railas appointment of his tribesmen in many cabinet portfolios + his sister as a consulate in US is Nationalistic while Kibaki doing the same is tribalistic. I cant wait for Raila to be President!

Anonymous said...

Mwarangethe said
"The fact is that, a devolved/majimbo system/small states is the best system. This fact was acknowledged long time ago by Aristotle and other thinkers"
IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT TO THIS DAY MANY AFRICANS DONT WANT TO THINK FOR THEMSEVES AND THRIVE ON COPY PASTING, PLAGIARISM AND QUOTING SUPPOSED ALLEGED "THINKERS" TO SUPPORT THEIR ARGUMENTS. THEY FORGET THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME BRAIN THESE "THINKERS" HAVE OR HAD. WHAT WE NEED IS AN AFRICAN SOLUTION TO AFRICAN PROBLEMS. DOES ANYONE HERE WANT TO THINK? PLEASE WE WELCOME YOUR IDEAS

Mwarang'ethe said...

Anonymous said...
Mwarangethe, why are you telling us crap from a guy who died in the ancient world? Stop quoting people who never saw a car, its irrelevant

Our response

Yes, you are right Mr genius, even Archimedes and Isaac Newton did not see a car. And, since, seeing a car is the most important thing let us discard all they knew. How foolish.

Anonymous wrote:

THEY FORGET THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME BRAIN THESE "THINKERS" HAVE OR HAD. WHAT WE NEED IS AN AFRICAN SOLUTION TO AFRICAN PROBLEMS. DOES ANYONE HERE WANT TO THINK? PLEASE WE WELCOME YOUR IDEAS

Our response:

Yes, why not re - invent the wheel because we have "brains." What rubbish from someone who thinks is educated.

Anonymous said...

Mwarangethe,
You cant reinvent the wheel but you can modify, improve it and 'domesticate' it to your local tarrain. You cant use the same wheels used in the well turmaced european roads in our 'jungle'.
Is this too much to ask of a grown up african?
And yes as much as Isaac Newton supposedly 'discovered' gravity other thinkers translated this into the laws of motion and it is today a whole complicated mathemathical theory far from what newton 'discovered' as a result, as much as we appreciate their theories for historical purposes, quoting them to solve todays problems is foolhardy. The world moved on and i think you should

Wangu wa Makeri said...

Chris said:
"....Why is it that on the ground Kenyans hve changed dramatically and hve mostly shed their tribal leanings and are waiting to shock politicians and the world. And yet here where we r supposed to represent the cream of society we r busy with silly Kikuyu this Luo that arguments? Could it be that somebody somewhere is trying to discredit this forum? Why is it that these tribal vomit rises the minute some really serious debate starts and subsides when nothing is happening?..."


It's because Kumekucha was founded on negative ethnicity/ stereotype towards one tribe in Kenya. So, people still holds that in their hearts whenever they log into Kumekucha. No matter how much you try to re-invent yourself (kumekucha) the image of this blog was tarnished long time ago.
Unless you're willing to eat a humble pie and publicly ask for forgiveness this blog will never change its usual Kikuyu/Luo rivalry. You started the fire now the ball is in your court to quench it.
It's takes a man to admit he was wrong. So Chris are you a man?

Anonymous said...

Anon 1.52, i concur. Isaacs newton theory had problems and contradictions (like other early theories) and was 'saved' by Einstein's theory of general relativity, in which gravitation is an attribute of curved spacetime instead of being due to a force propagated between bodies.
As a result, THINKING by Einstein rather than merely FOLLOWING is what really counts for the future

Anonymous said...

Mwarangethe, you sound as stupid as your name :)

Anonymous said...

Seems many ODMorons are afraid to think. It thinking that painful

Anonymous said...

Lets ask ourselves what made USA fail economically. Companies like GM insisted in selling their fuel guzzling big systems jeeps while Japan adjusted and adapted to their markets continously learning and improving. Now why do we want to copy paste Federalism from these stiff fellows

Anonymous said...

Wow, many comments here but same drift. First time to see that there are actually many from nyanza in cabinet. Is this a pointer of things to come? I remember Taabu posting an article here on Bongo. The likes of Bongo had their children and siblings in Govt. Is Raila hinting this to us but we are refusing to see it? Can ODM under Odinga really bring meaningful change? Would Mboya be any different? You know, bad habits are contagious

Mwarang'ethe said...

To Anonymous:

What some of you forget is that, Aristotle, just as an example, lived in one of the most advanced civilizations ever seen. Just take a trip to Athens and see the level of sophistication that Ancient Greece showed.

As a matter of fact, their civilization is still shaping the world today. For instance, if you study the international arbitration law of Ancient Greece, you will be amazed to see that, we are still in the 21st Century, using the same, same law they used.

Kenya is yet to reach the levels of civilization of Ancient Greece, and so when you say that, you have moved, we think, you mean moving backwards.

That said, it does not mean that, we take everything that was said or did by these eminent thinkers without thinking.

Anonymous said...

Mwarangethe, your problem is copy pasting crap. If Aristotle eats shit its good for us? Please!

Anonymous said...

Plagiarism is an offense

shaka said...

Quote fromm phil "Why is it that other tribes can vote, and have indeed voted for candidates of Kikuyu origin, and they have NEVER voted for any of the numeorous presidential candidates we have had on offer since 1992?"

This is our big question today.
We need answers to this question.Perhaps the true answer will be the starting point for tribal healing in Kenya.

Anonymous said...

I suggest thyat you, Kumekucha (chris) begin by clamping down on anonymous posts. If they do ont have the courage to put (an easily simulated Internet ID) behing their rants then clearly they cannot be taken seriously

andruid
(posting anonymously for irony's sake)

mwakenya1 said...

After reading all the posts on this blog, I am truly saddened and left in total dejection. Kenya was not made for any tribe or any individual...Whatever Mboya , Kenyatta , Odinga etc did should only serve as a reference point for the younger generation who want to see this country move forward.To all those who hate members of other ethnic communities or leaders from those communities, all I can say is that you are digging our collective grave as a nation.We may not agree with the policies of certain key leaders of this nation but it is foolish to lump their ethnic communities together and totally dismiss any good thing they may have contributed to the building of this nation. I urge all the young people who are writing those vitriolic statements on this blog to take time and clear all the biases they have and re-read our history and you will find heroic acts as well as foolhardy attempts from people of their own ethnic backgrounds and you will be surprised how some of these have gone a long way in shaping the Kenya of today that is on its knees. To The anonymous writer.. it is indeed clear that you are writing from a point of ignorance or pure lack of education. The same arguments you put forward are the same that the white used to subjugate the black.. or the Nazi to kill the Jew. I urge you to take time and read and stop depending on hearsay. Hatred is bred purely by IGNORANCE and FEAR of the unknown. I would urge you to read into the following
1. Pio Gama Pinto killing
2. Re distribution of land after independence.
3.The Kenyatta succession.
4.The Events preceding the 1982 coup attempt
5.The re introduction of pluralism in Kenya and the struggles from 1989.
if you are open minded you will see how YOU have fallen into the trap of the great schemers who celebrate when the read posts like yours because it means they have one more victim in their carefully orchestrated divide and rule game.

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