Tuesday, November 03, 2009

Why I Am So Grateful For The Post Elections Violence

Things have never been worse in Kenya. That is something most Kenyans agree with whatever side of the political divide they come from. What has actually happened is that Mwai Kibaki has made the terrible Moi years look like the golden age for this long suffering nation called Kenya.

But despite everything, I will, like that great English writer called Charles Dickens, say that although this is the worst of times, it is also the best of times. In fact I would even go further and say that I am delighted that the post election violence happened. Oh yes I am painfully aware that people died (official figures are still at 600—which would be laughable if we were not talking about deaths. Actually that was about the figure that the police managed at Kisumu within the first 48 hours when the violence broke out. But that is a story for another day). I am also keenly aware of the horrible scars that were left on the minds and bodies of the survivors, indeed I have re-published some of the most gruesome parts of the Waki report in this blog.

So why am I glad that all that horror happened?

Simply because it set in motion a chain of events that can only have one conclusion and one conclusion alone. And that is the end of impunity in Kenya and the birth of a brand new nation that we can all be proud of. In other words our dear fellow Kenyans did not die in vain (bless their soul and memory).

If you take the time to read the posts in this blog before the 2007 elections, you will realize one very interesting and yet shocking thing. There were strong arguments here telling me off for bringing up a non-existent crisis in Kenya. Commentators here sometimes very convincingly told us that there was no impunity in Kenya and that the record economic growth during Mwai Kibaki’s first term was a mere Kionjo of great things still to come. Reading some of those old posts today it is easy to get pretty angry.

BUT after the chaos of 2007 and early 2008, Kenyans are much wiser. I noticed a fascinating trend where Kenyans in the Diaspora are much more informed about what is happening back at home. Gone are the days when gullible Diasporans left everything to their relatives back home including managing their properties. I met this guy managing property for numerous Kenyans in the diaspora and he told me some very interesting things. My point is that this new wave of alertness is not limited to politics.

We are also much less tribalistic in our political thinking (ignore the false impression created in this blog by a small group of notorious commentators). What really makes me happy now is that gone are the days when folks needed a post from me to see through politicians and their real motives. Let me illustrate exactly what I am talking about here. The other day Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka made a few remarks about his plans for 2012. Considering the deadly poison that this man is capable of spewing out of his mouth (even as he continuously licks his lips in glee) what he said was extremely mild. But what reaction did he get? All hell broke loose. Kenyans were mighty angry. Even some folks who had supported him during those fateful 2007 elections were very upset. So why were the good folks of Kenya so annoyed at those few seemingly harmless remarks made by the learned friend from Mwingi? It was simply because it was crystal clear to everybody that Mr Musyoka in his bid for the presidency has his eyes fixed firmly on the office and has totally ignored the task ahead. The man must be getting orgasms just thinking of himself in a presidential motorcade with those numerous motorcycle outriders and being called Mutukufu rais (your Excellency). It will not matter that the people lining up the road by then will be very frustrated hopeless and poverty stricken Kenyans. Actually there is already plenty of that in his own constituency and the man still looks at his so-called handsome self in the mirror every day.

But Mr Musyoka is not alone in his approach to politics. He is in fact a typical Kenyan politician in a typical Kenyan government (grand coalitition government means nothing). A government where urgently doing a national census is much more important than re-settling IDPs. And more specifically in that “urgent” census taking the latest counts of tribes (in readiness for the grand scheme in the elections of 2012 to ensure that Mwai Kibaki stays safe and out of prison).

So my dear friends that is why despite all the despair all around Kenya, I am happy. Yes, it is still business as usual but I can see that there is a dead end ahead for all the old politics and politicians of the land. And that is what I want to focus my eyes and mind on even as chaos prevail all round.

47 comments:

  1. A few words Mr Chris.

    One, we believe it is better to have freedom with danger than peace with slavery.

    Second, Kenya, and Africans are sleepwalking for we are not aware of what is eating us.

    As an example, let us look Mwai Kibaki's so called economic growth. To speak of economic growth in Kenya/Africa is nothing but an illusion and stupidity.

    The acceptance of this illusion or stupidity even among very educated Africans is because our education is about programming and not educating.

    Now, over a 100 years ago, a reknown economist, who advised USA on how to industrialise, said this:

    "Experience has proved repeatedly (and especially in Russia and North America) that in agricultural nations, whose manufacturing market is exposed to the free competition of a nation which has attained manufacturing supremacy, the value of the
    importation of manufactured goods exceeds frequently to an enormous extent the value of the agricultural products which are exported, and that thereby at times
    suddenly an extraordinary exportation of precious metals is occasioned, whereby the
    economy of the agricultural nation, especially if its internal interchange is chiefly
    based on paper circulation, falls into confusion, and national calamities are the result."

    From this quote, it should have been obvious that if Kenyans/Africans are truly educated, the acceptance of so called free trade will lead to disaster for we are an agricultural continent and our exposure to Western, Asian manufacturing economies can only lead to calamities we face now.

    We bring about this issue of trade for we believe poverty is at the heart of African conflicts. Thus, to end these conflicts, we need a change of focus, and not this nonsense of WB and IMF brainwashing us.

    For instance, what we need is what is called MANAGED TRADE between Africa and other manufacturing nations. They do not talk about such in our schools for they do not want us to see the ugly truth.

    This would mean that, for instance, when we export our coffee, tea etc, their PRICING will be based on PRODUCTION COSTS, or MINING costs in these developed nations. This can be done via EQUALISATION TARIFF or whatever name you wanna give them.

    This would bring about EQUAL PAY FOR EQUALLY PRODUCTIVE LABOUR in Africa and Developed nations, for the unequal trade based on unequal currencies and thereby unequal pay for equally productive labour is at the heart of poverty perpetuation in Africa.

    These are the kinds of ideas that Kenya/Africa must put at the negotiation tables if Africa is to escape these calamities. Without addressing these issues, we will see more violence in the future.

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  2. "We are also much less tribalistic in our political thinking (ignore the false impression created in this blog by a small group of notorious commentators)."

    And with that comment, your whole post became a big joke. Iliisha ladha! That is CERTAINLY NOT the truth!!! The reality is, we are A WHOLE LOT MORE TRIBALISTIC IN OUR POLITICAL THINKING! But we have Kibaki to thank for that.

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  3. chris

    welcome back

    ulipotelea wapi?

    before we resume "e-hostilities" ebu lipa fine kwanza.

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  4. hi my fellow kenyans,i am one of the diasoporas.living large in the US of A . just to let u know nothing comes for free.
    effort = rewards
    irrespective of location.kenya usa britain or anywhere else.
    always efforts =rewards
    now although impunity maybe coming to an end the game does not change. illegal corruption dies and legal corruption begins.The difference is the same if u know what i mean. there will always be uneven distribution of wealth. to futher contradict my argument wealth is never= happiness.
    but then again my situation maybe relative and my views subjective.who knows what your views are or what u may do when u get wealth,just figure it out yourself.

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  5. KIBAKI DOESN'T GET IT YET TREATING STATE HOUSE AS A TRIBAL UNIT MENT FOR THE CHOSEN FEW. Kibaki can't find guys from other tribes who can work there? Now the state house controller is from the house of Mumbi too plus the rest of the 98% of the staff. kweli, kenya ina wenyewe

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  6. Chris,

    Please please, kwani siku kizi muna vuta/kunywa gani?

    Do you really, really know the significance of a national CENSUS and can quantify the time and resources that go towards planning one? Ati resettling IDPs. Kwani 2007 PEV victims were the first IDPs in Kenya so life must stop for them to go back home?

    What about squatters and bloggers who are struggling like me and you?

    I would advise you to read and re-read Mwarang'ethe's post.

    If not, RUDI ULIKO TOKA. Hakuna kitu unasadia nchi yako nayo!

    While at it, continue dreaming about Kalonzo who is a irrelevant as a Kalembe Ndile in so far as the top most political league in this country goes!

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  7. Welcome back chris, its nyce to have your provoking thoughts rather than Taabus usual recycled copy, add sarcasm, paste stories. That said, allow me to engage you on this one...

    Chris said,
    We are also much less tribalistic in our political thinking (ignore the false impression created in this blog by a small group of notorious commentators).

    Why continue burrying your head in the sand? Its this blog that has isolated one tribe and created hate campaign against it. Example, posts by Sam Okello, Taabu, Phil singly isolating Kikuyus while their only crime was to exercise their democratic rights and to own land from their sweat.

    secondly, you have said that 600 kenyans were killed according to official figures but added that police killed that number in Kisumu. Its common knowl;edge even to thick heads like Taabu that 1,500 kikuyus were slaughtered, over 100,000 diplaced and many more are still suffering. you deliberately tried to twist your leaders opinion and once more hide the suffering of the Kikuyu's that you hate

    In conclusion, KUMEKUCHA IS A TRIBAL BLOG DESIGNED TO CREATE HATRED FOR KIKUYUS, KAMBAS, MERUS etc to protect the real enemies of Kenya.
    chris, we are not stupid, and your blogs name has already been submitted to Ocampo. Our advice, get yourself a good lawyer.

    Citizen

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  8. ^^^^**readers not leaders

    Citizen

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  9. 390 Kikuyus killed

    450 Luo killed

    275 Kalenjins killed

    110 Kisiis killed

    175 other tribes killed

    Did Kikuyus commit genocide against other Kenyans?

    Fact: The figures incontrovertibly indicate that more Kenyans were killed by Kikuyus.

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  10. Sage,

    390 Kikuyus killed

    450 Luo killed

    275 Kalenjins killed

    110 Kisiis killed

    175 other tribes killed

    Did Kikuyus commit genocide against other Kenyans?


    Actually, the numbers are as follows:

    Luo -------278
    Kalenjin - 158
    Kikuyu ----268
    Luhyia-----163
    Kisii -----57

    You can find them on page 344 of the Waki report here. Those are the numbers for identified dead. 76 of the 116 unidentified bodies were in Rift Valley districts; most of those will have been Gikuyu.

    As you'd expect, the districts that had the most intense violence have the most unidentified bodies. The most intense violence was in the RVP, and it was directed mostly (but not, obviously, exclusively) against Gikuyu. It's quite reasonable to infer that a majority of the unidentified bodies (especially in Uasin Gishu which was the epicentre of the violence) are murdered Gikuyu. That leaves a significantly higher total: since the Gikuyu:Kalenjin death rate for identified bodies was about 1:4, you'd expect that ratio to be maintained for the unidentified bodies.

    Deaths are only a rough measure of ethnic victimization. Further evidence comes from this survey:

    Kikuyu....and Luo respondents reported incidents of personal or family dispossession (33% and 20% of all incidents respectively) at rates well above their share of the population (20% and 14% respectively)

    which should settle the matter.

    As for the genocide question, you might like to glance at Martin Shaw's opendemocracy piece. His view is that Kalenjin violence in the Rift Valley was genocidal.

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  11. Sage,

    Nice try, you have to do better than sit down and type 'politically correct' figures showing more jaluos were killed.
    Truth will never muatate no matter what amount of propaganda and lies you trade.
    Ask Chris if his mother was gang raped while his helpless soon to be beheaded father watched and his younger sister gang raped into lifelessness before being thrown into the burning inferno by some kalenjin warriors obeying Raila's call to fight for 'ODM type democracy' whether he would proudly write why i am so grateful for the death of my sister, gang rape of my mother and beheading of my father

    Citizen

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  12. Mwarangethe thinks he can wish away the direct role of his political master Raila in calling for genocide against kikuyus by blubbering about Land. Go on dummy, only odmorons will bite that bait!!!
    You can quote many wazungu books to try cover your political masters but your bias towards ODM is glaring, a good evidence of an educated fool.

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  13. Chris,

    This is a morally obtuse post. It's one thing to be glad that overdue reforms will soon be in place; it's another to celebrate that we're going to get them as a consequence of mass ethnic violence. None of those things are very morally commendable, but the slide from the first to the second happens in a few sentences:

    I am also keenly aware of the horrible scars that were left on the minds and bodies of the survivors, indeed I have re-published some of the most gruesome parts of the Waki report in this blog.

    So why am I glad that all that horror happened?

    Simply because it set in motion a chain of events that can only have one conclusion and one conclusion alone. And that is the end of impunity in Kenya and the birth of a brand new nation that we can all be proud of. In other words our dear fellow Kenyans did not die in vain (bless their soul and memory).


    Since you believe that Kibaki stole the election, and therefore caused the electoral violence, presumably you should be commending him too. You aren't, since you can see that even though the act might have good consequences, it isn't itself good. Unfortunately, you seem unable to see that the same point holds when it comes to the post-election violence.

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  14. daniel, matako ya swine flu!

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  15. Always wondered: why do odmers (mostly jengs) use sexual imagery when talking about kalonzo? Ati he gets an erection when he thinks of the presidency! hehe hehe heehe woi. Homosexuality has increased in kenya and me thinks someone wants to do this guy, or is it to be done by him.

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  16. Be that as it may, less Kikuyus were killed as oppossed to Kikuyus who killed other Kenyans. My calculations though a little off jibe well in a relative sense but not absolute one. Oh well.

    In any case, we have now proved without a shadow of a doubt that genocide was perpetrated by Kikuyu genocidaires against the 1,000 plus innocent Kenyans.

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  17. VW passat 1.8l
    this model has been a failure to the makers vW. It body is very heavy and the engine is too small. I give them six months and you will hear all sorts of complains and breakdown. There are better vehicles than this failed model
    Why should Africa be the dumping ground for dodgy vehicles no Europeans want.

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  18. Anonymous wrote

    globalization is what we need for betterment of all humanity.think of the world as organism with different body systems that has to work together for a cordinated and healthy life.

    Our views

    Yes. But, globalization under which rules?

    By advocating managed trade, that does not amount to abandonment of globalization. We are only calling for rules that will help Africa end the vicious cycle of poverty which feeds much of the violence we see around.

    As concerns money, you forget that money is the basis of civilization. If you abandon money today, the civilization would crush.

    What we need is not an abolishment of money, but, an end to MONOPOLISATION of money by a few. Under the current monopolistics rules, money is created by a few and it is misallocated at the source. For instance, how much of our loans are for speculation as opposed to productive efforts?

    In other words, we need democtratic money creation system so as to remove poverty which is at the heart of many conflicts we see in Kenya, Sudan, Somalia, Guinea, Ivory Coast just to name a few.

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  19. Daniel Waweru wrote

    This is a morally obtuse post. It's one thing to be glad that overdue reforms will soon be in place; it's another to celebrate that we're going to get them as a consequence of mass ethnic violence. None of those things are very morally commendable,

    Our views:

    Because of Jesus' blood shed at the Calvary, Christians can hope for eternal life.

    So, in this case, would one be justified to say His violent death was morally commendable for without it, there would be no eternal life as Christians belief?

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  20. Mwarangethe hypocricy at its best,
    Because of Jesus' blood shed at the Calvary, Christians can hope for eternal life.

    This is from a fellow who not so long ago claimed that christianity is a form of slavery.
    See how this fellow quotes information that suits his argument when it suits him but trashes the principle behing those statements.
    A confused educated fellow i would say.

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  21. Anonymous said...
    Mwarangethe hypocricy at its best,
    Because of Jesus' blood shed at the Calvary, Christians can hope for eternal life.

    This is from a fellow who not so long ago claimed that christianity is a form of slavery.

    Our response:

    Bring that specific comment to the readers.

    Mind you, being a follower of Jesus has nothing to do with denominations we see around for they are not about Jesus teachings, but, power and wealth.

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  22. Chris,

    A word of caution...Do not put all your trust in the political class. Remember they hold the levers to power. They can twist the levers the way they want. These guys are sharpened in the game of survival.

    And, neither A+O+O will bring change in Kenya. They can ship the whole lot to wherever...

    It is you and me to stop them. That is, the moment we wake up from our collective stupor and change our ways....

    Will Hague Express really disembark...?

    JEFF

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  23. The ODM politicians that the likes of Mwarangethe and Taabu adore have said they will not return their fuel guzzling mercedes....i saw Otieno Kajwang call a press conference to justify why he has to keep the ego boosting fuel guzzler. As expected, that story slipped through the fingers of Taabu and Chris.
    Nothing that hurts the reputation of ODM makes it here unless its Ruto saying he will run against the buffoon Raila that these odmorons worship.

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  24. Anonymous said...
    The ODM politicians that the likes of Mwarangethe and Taabu adore have said they will not return their fuel guzzling mercedes....i saw Otieno Kajwang call a press conference to justify why he has to keep the ego boosting fuel guzzler.

    Our response:

    Let us have an informed debate and not useless noise.

    Can you provide us with cost benefit analysis of the "guzzlers" i.e. Merc etc versus "sippers" i.e. Passat on which these decisions are based on?

    We hope that analysis will encompass all areas/matters of interest such as fuel efficiency, cost of repairs, re - sale value, safety etc etc.

    If you can, it is easy for us to have an informed debate. Over to you Sir.

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  25. Mwarengethe,

    Since it is obvious you read a lot please research on the concept of eternal life. It is man's greatest desire and most religions (current and dead ones) promise it. However science disconfirms it. A conscious existence without the physical brain is just not possible. Again you have to ask what happens to those not conceived. The egg cells and the sperm cells that could have fertilised them just die. These are actually people and no one talks of eternal life for them. Eternal life only makes sense if we say we change from one form of matter (or energy) to another.

    Am not a scientist but these issues look clear to me.

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  26. Your views are wonderful to say the least. I already did an article of similar observations and you should read what people said us who hold such ideas! The article is found on the NVK and NYC fora.
    I support you!

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  27. Anonymous wrote

    The egg cells and the sperm cells that could have fertilised them just die. These are actually people and no one talks of eternal life for them.

    Our views:

    Let us assume that we have a big underground aluminium ore in Kenya. It is actually too deep to mine.

    In accordance with your reasoning, one can stand in front of intelligent people and say very loudly that, this aluminium which is very far underground, is in fact a car and even better, it is a car called "sipper" i.e. passat to be sold by CMC for our ministers in 2009.

    Would that kind of thinking/reasoning be accepted as sound?

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  28. Mwarengethe,

    Just curious, what is your education background? i.e. what did u study and where?

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  29. Mwarang'ethe,

    There is nothing wrong with free trade. It works. We all know that the cycle of poverty will only stop when we industrialize/innovate. We can innovate around the areas of our raw materials. Instead of shipping raw materials, ship finished products.
    So the question is how do we innovate? How do we get our people thinking?
    The problem with our people is that they are caught up with the cycle of poverty, thus allowing them little time to creativity.
    Thus, the solution lies with people who have "freed their minds". I believe that if you contribute to this blog then you have attained this stage of liberation.
    So lets use this blog to think creativity.
    How can we make our tea and coffee finished products and ship to the rest of the world?

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  30. Anonymous said...
    Mwarang'ethe,

    There is nothing wrong with free trade. It works.

    Our response:

    We hear thee.

    We shall respond in full later.

    However, please give us any nation you know of, that industrialized under free trade rules we have.

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  31. @Mwarang'ethe

    Singapore and Hong Kong embraced free trade in the 60s and look at how rich they are. Kenya desperately needs free trade, massive tax cuts, and rule of law. Free trade will minimise the cost of living and maximise our competitiveness.

    Some of our wealthiest young entrepreneurs are actually in industries like IT that are duty and VAT free. We can no longer afford to continue protecting inefficient factories and farmers, and growing our already bloated public sector.

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  32. Mwarang'ethe,

    Asian TIgers. Malaysia, South Korea as previously mentioned Singapore and Hong Kong.

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  33. Anonymous said...
    Mwarang'ethe,

    Asian TIgers. Malaysia, South Korea as previously mentioned Singapore and Hong Kong.

    Our response:

    Firstly, the greatest weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.

    To this end, those who control the world invest billions to create belief systems used to control people like you.

    You are very sincere in your beliefs because that was and is what they teach you in schools, media and think tanks. This is done specifically to ensure u see the world through the eyes of the vested interests. Remember that song by Fela Kuti teacher do not teach me nonsense?

    In the context of phony "cold war" just like terrorism wars, these so called Asian Tigers were admitted as EQUAL partners by the monopolisers of industrial capital.

    As a result, these Asian nations were given:

    (a) Access to technology.
    (b) Access to finance capital.
    (c) Access to American market which was huge due to gains during 2WW.

    All these WERE and ARE still being denied to Africa.

    Furthermore, Japan's and Taiwan's economies were given very big boost by Korean and Vietnam wars for they were directly paid to furnish troops in these wars. This is what they do not teach you.

    Let us now look at Europe. To develop East Germany from 1991, the EU agreed that W. Germany must put $ 1.5 trillion to bring it to the standard of Western Germany.

    If free trade works, why didn't the EU and W. Germany leave E. Germany to the so called free trade like Africa is being told do do? Again, this is not taught to you.

    It even gets better. When EU wanted to admit Portugal, Spain and Greece, it implemented a 15 year strategy which included:

    (a) massive transfer of direct aid designed to:

    (i) accelerate development,
    (ii) raise WAGES,
    (iii) regularise safety and environmental standards, and
    (iv) IMPROVE LIVING CONDITIONS of these poorer nations.

    Aha! free trade could not develop Spain, Greece and Portugal, but, Africans are told it will and can develop Africa. And, Africans believe it. Faithful slaves.

    Let us now see the medicine Africans have been given. While Spain, Greece and Portugal were being given baby food, Africa was and is being subjected to Structural Adjustment Programmes (SAPS).

    But, what are the REAL OBJECTIVES of these SAPS?

    SAPS are nothing but an ECONOMIC WARFARE/ECONOMIC VIOLENCE meant specifically to:

    (a) hold down prices of African resources,

    (b) hold down labor costs so as to transfer the wealth generated by Africans and their resources to the West. In other words, APPROPRIATE AFRICAN wealth via unequal trade.

    By keeping Africans lowly paid, it ensures that, they have no surplus capital to build industries. In simple terms, and in reality, SAPS are meant to keep African wages low, commodity prices low and when you add debt (remember the KES 1 trillion ka debt of Kenya), there is guarantee that African resources and African sweat and bllod are at the service of the West.

    Ponder at these contradictory policies and you will be forced to see that, Africa is still a plantation system, but, you cannot see thru the misinformation.

    Ponder this as an African.

    How much of the CAPITALISED WEALTH in the Western stock markets are as a direct result of African resources still underground?

    And, when African natural resources/land are capitalised and harvested in the West, what is your share as an African?

    Simply, a Westerner can use his stocks which are nothing but capitalised values of your land to take loans to come and buy your assets and enslave you even more.

    Africans, Africans, it seems we are very good in counting the dead bodies from our tribes.

    Just look at the way bloggers have been fighting here over who has the right count of dead bodies that were from their tribes.

    From where we stand, these are EFFECTS and unfortunately, much of our schooling, media etc is about effects. However, we believe understanding the REAL CAUSES is the way forward.

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  34. So, in this case, would one be justified to say His violent death was morally commendable for without it, there would be no eternal life as Christians belief?

    Nope. That some act had good consequences doesn't mean that it was itself good. Otherwise, we would have to say that Judas' betrayal was good too.

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  35. Be that as it may, less Kikuyus were killed as oppossed to Kikuyus who killed other Kenyans. My calculations though a little off jibe well in a relative sense but not absolute one. Oh well.

    In any case, we have now proved without a shadow of a doubt that genocide was perpetrated by Kikuyu genocidaires against the 1,000 plus innocent Kenyans.


    Neh. That depends on the claim that all non-Gikuyu casualties were at the hands of Gikuyu, as well as the claim that all those killings were ethnically motivated. No evidence yet forthcoming on either of those points, but it would be nice if you would put some on the table.

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  36. Opinions, opinions and more opinions. As it were every one has one but that does not make you right.

    The fact of the matter is that there was NO genocide perpetrsted against Kikuyus by any Kenyan, period. You can wish that there was but it remains just that- wishful thinking.

    Kikuyus committed most of the murders and killings in the post-election violence as the statistics clearly verify. In any case, the genocidaire par excellence, Uhuru Kenyatta, who last time I checked was still a Kikuyu is well on his way to a jail cell at The Hague, and rightfully so.

    Genocidaires like Kenyatta et al, belong in The Hague.

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  37. @ Sage
    you are one sick fellow...
    But it really doesn't matter, whether you deny that kikuyu genocide happened or not not you cannot deny the existence of ICC and soon the ODM masterminds of the killings and their financiers will be put away for good!

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  38. Anonymous said...
    @ Sage
    you are one sick fellow...
    But it really doesn't matter, whether you deny that kikuyu genocide happened or not not you cannot deny the existence of ICC and soon the ODM masterminds of the killings and their financiers will be put away for good!

    Our response:

    For heaven's sake, where do you live?

    From the DN headlines: Kibaki, Raila fallout over Ocampo averted

    @http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/682196/-/uolqg1/-/index.html

    and PNU, ODM harden positions ahead of Ocampo visit @ http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144027798&cid=4&ttl=PNU, ODM harden positions ahead of Ocampo visit.

    From these two stories, it is crystal lear who is afraid of ICC, and therefore, this useless noise of ati ODM is fearing ICC is unwarranted.

    It is PNU which is even pushing to stop Ocampo from coming and here u tell us a lot of nonsense.

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  39. Mwarang'ethe,

    a) Access to technology.-

    The problem is that africans want people to hand them everything. We must realize and appreciate that the west took time to develop this technology, thus you can't expect them to just had them to you.

    But here is the beauty of free markets, we can still access some of the technology. Example, Saudi Arabia buys GE Plastics so that they can obtain technology for value added to their oil industry and of course Nigeria is not thinking this way. China acquires Lenovo, to accelerate development in the PC market. Therefore, free markets can be used as a tool to obtain the technology.

    (b) Access to finance capital.- There is money in the african markets already. If we pool what we already have, then we can successfully finance our own ventures. Evidence, Safaricom and Kengen IPO. And if we are really serious as africans, we can pool across borders. Like go to South Africa, Libya etc and obtain finance capital.

    (c) Access to American market which was huge due to gains during 2WW -

    Once we have successfully innovated, then that also gives our people the requisite purchasing power. Then we don't need to wait to be granted access to the west market.

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  40. Anonymous said...
    Mwarang'ethe,

    a) Access to technology.-

    The problem is that africans want people to hand them everything. We must realize and appreciate that the west took time to develop this technology, thus you can't expect them to just had them to you.

    Our response:

    Why were some nations given these technology and not Africa and Africans?

    And, have you ever seen any technology licensing deals West does with Africa?

    Have you ever sat in a seminar or a class where the Westerners are trained how to "deal" with licensees?

    You are sincere, but, you do not seem to understand how this world works in real life.

    As concerns China, you forget that they were given their first industrial capital by Soviet Union during the cold war. Clearly, from this fact, you can start to see where China is coming from.

    As concerns the KenGen and Safaricom. Have you really sat down to research and think what was really going on in these IPOs?

    Haya, let us remove theory and enter the practical part of it. This is the challenge:

    If you think it is that easy to obtain finance for REAL AFRICAN development, visit our website and help us to bring these funds from Libya and South Africa and we shall provide Kenya and Africa with FREE ENERGY.

    We will even give you shares for your efforts.

    http://freeenergytoworld.wordpress.com/

    As you ponder how it is difficult to get funds for African energy, remember they are spending £ 400bn, to tap solar power from Africa to keep Europe warm.http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/nov/01/solar-power-sahara-europe-desertec

    Now, sample this. In 2015, X from Denmark wakes in a warm house and goes to work. Y wakes up in darkness in Kibera and walks to work. Surely, we need not think hard to see who will be the winners.

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  41. Mwarang'ethe,

    If the project ROI is 32% as claimed and the initial capital is only $4Million, then u can raise this capital in Kenya alone without seeking external financing. It should be very easy to pitch to investors. Thus I suspect there some issues with the project.

    But, I will study the project and get back to you.

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  42. @ 8:16 PM and your equally dense pal calling itself David Waweru here's something for both of you:
    A brain is big but a small part of your life(lives).

    You little boys, it is clear that there certainly isn't a brain in there....

    Do you think that your wishful thinking, raves and rants will absolve your incompetent, crooked Kibaki and Uhuru genocidaires from the ICC indictments? Uhuru is on the ICC list for sure, and don't be surprised if your useless, incompetent crook Kibaki is on it, too.

    I destroy your flimsy arguments and you act as if you can't read or comprehend. Cry all you want about genocide but the answer remains the same: There was NO genocide perpetrated against Kikuyus. Cry, weep, scream, rave, whatever, there was NO genocide commited against Kikuyus. Rather, the genocide was committed by Kikuyus against other Kenyans.

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  43. Anonymous said...
    Mwarang'ethe,

    If the project ROI is 32% as claimed and the initial capital is only $4Million, then u can raise this capital in Kenya alone without seeking external financing. It should be very easy to pitch to investors. Thus I suspect there some issues with the project.

    Our response:

    The figure is between $ 5 - 6 million per Module, as we call it.

    Fine, we await your study and feedback ASAP and we shall respond appropriately.

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  44. mwarangee' are you gay or stupid?

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  45. The good/ bad thing with the internet is that a person, like say mwarangethe, could be actually a dog but you dont know/ cant tell

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  46. @ sage

    Its like denying the holocaust but guess what? denial did not prevent the Nuremberg trials and sure wont prevent the ICC trials.
    ODM and their financiers will surely pay for the rape, murder and pillage they committed in the name of fighting for democracy

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  47. mwarangethe don't worry about the haters.rational and logical thinking knows no tribe or race.
    keep up the good work.
    Now as u know marslow heirachy of needs,we find ourselves on different levels hence our point of view is based on whatever level we are at.while u may be at self actualization many kenyans are at physiological need level hence arogant and nonsensical comments about u.Now futher to ur question what kind of globalization and on what rules.Resource based economy is what is needed.Any economy that is based on profit will always result in corruption secondary to the human need for self preservation. or what sigmued freud called the IDD.during your busy schedule find time to view these videos on your tube called future by design,the addendum and also visit the website zeitgest movement for an analysis on what is going on arond the world.the whole world needs each other and must work together like the human organs work together and share nutrients .

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