tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post8766773582774447488..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Tribalism II: Perils of Living in Collective DenialUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-50627681404137606182009-05-23T06:12:52.250-07:002009-05-23T06:12:52.250-07:00@ Mpesa
When the younger generation are brought u...@ Mpesa<br /><br />When the younger generation are brought up ina system where tribalism is no longer a vice but standard practice, built right into the heart of the system can we really expect them to be any less tribalistic.<br /><br />I fear they may be even likely to harder to renounce it as aproblem being as it is the default poaition of dealing with the rest iof the world.Andruidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11556507158769116594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-52564777807286112032009-05-22T22:37:34.948-07:002009-05-22T22:37:34.948-07:00Fact, the Kikuyu elite are the biggest thieves EVE...Fact, the Kikuyu elite are the biggest thieves EVER in Kenya. Kenyattas, Kibakis, Mathenges, Mahihus, Njonjos, Kinuthia Saitoti collectively possess over 1,000,000 acres of prime land!<br /><br />I thought you guys didn't know! Sorry anon some of these people are silentish how did you know? Go to the coast and see who owns all that primal beach front property.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36808212804811586112009-05-22T16:05:24.711-07:002009-05-22T16:05:24.711-07:00Kabila Adui, quite to the contrary. I repeat again...Kabila Adui, quite to the contrary. I repeat again that the Kikuyu are the most ignorant of all Kenyans.<br /><br />As to your allusion that: "...The difference between you and the Kikuyu peasnants you urge to invade other people's land is one...They recognize what does not belong to them and more importantly recognize just where power resides." <br /><br />Well, here's my retort to your simplistic analysis. I have not urged anyone to invade other people's land. By way of example, was it right for the late Njoya to invade the Delamare's farm? <br /><br />To begin with ,the Kenyattas, Mois, Kibakis have absolutely NO RIGHT to the 1,000,000 acres+ land they possess, because they did not work for it neither did they acquire the land in a legitimate matter. So, if the downtrodden and poor Kikuyu were to 'invade' and claim a stake to these lands, I can assure you that practically ALL Kenyans including Mijikendas, Luhyas, Luos, Kalenjins, would support them 100%.<br /><br />Your second point, that the Kikuyu poor recognize just where power resides, actually proves and supports my thesis. It proves that the Kikuyus are basically a conservative, reactionary, and ignorant group, too afraid to challenge the STATUS QUO. Are Kikuyus content with being slaves their whole lives even as they are raped by a rapacious and hyena like scavenger few like the Kenyattas because.. as you say, "They recognize just where power resides."<br /><br />If the Kikuyu nation was infinitely smarter than me, they would stand up for their rights, stop worshipping the powerful Kikuyu feudal oligarchs, who have reduced the lives of the Kikuyu masses to one of serfdom, poverty, penury and ignorance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91258455678192826182009-05-22T15:15:08.180-07:002009-05-22T15:15:08.180-07:00anon@12:52 pm
There you go, as virulent as ever. ...anon@12:52 pm<br /><br />There you go, as virulent as ever. <br /><br />But the difference between you and the Kikuyu peasants you urge to invade other people's land is one, and its critical. They recognize what does not belong to them and more importantly recognize just where power resides and what would possibly happen if they decided to follow your ill advice. They are infinitely smarter, I would add.<br /><br />If you and your kinsmen are so concerned about landless Kikuyus, you have a golden opportunity to put to action all that stuff that keeps spilling out of your perpetually running mouths. <br /><br />Honorable James Orengo heads the Ministry of Lands, while ODM has a majority in Parliament and a speaker that's well versed in favoritism. Anything keeping you from pushing for some kind of redistributive land reform? Put your money where your mouth is!<br /><br />And how about stopping over at FACTS--she/he is forever whining about FACTS--might rub off on you too.kabila aduinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-47631850044359829632009-05-22T12:52:03.826-07:002009-05-22T12:52:03.826-07:00@Kabila Adui there is nothing tribal or virulent a...@Kabila Adui there is nothing tribal or virulent about my post at all.<br /><br />Fact, the Kikuyu elite are the biggest thieves EVER in Kenya. Kenyattas, Kibakis, Mathenges, Mahihus, Njonjos, Kinuthia Saitoti collectively possess over 1,000,000 acres of prime land!<br /><br />Meanwhile thousands of your Kikuyu tribesman about 300,000-500,000 wallow as squatters and absolute poverty.<br /><br />Kabila Adui, don't you think it would be the right and moral thing for, say, Uhuru Kenyatta to give up some of his "rand" to settle his destitute squatter brothers and sisters? Or is it OK for Uhuru to use these poor (including some poor Mungiki squatter youth) and to fight his Mungiki battles and then wipe his butt with their blood?<br /><br />Heck, I thought blood was thicker than water! Ama?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-27722890442625210832009-05-22T12:15:41.212-07:002009-05-22T12:15:41.212-07:00FACTS--are you a moderator clown?FACTS--are you a moderator clown?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-2156597790855356302009-05-22T10:48:25.984-07:002009-05-22T10:48:25.984-07:00The effects of tribalism will be felt for generati...The effects of tribalism will be felt for generations to come. <br /> <br />I shudder to imagine the thought of falling sick and having to be treated by a kenyan 'doctor'. Thanks to corruption and tribalism, I understand(correct me if am wrong) courses like medicine are no longer the preserve of the creme de la creme(let's not even mention stealing of exams to get into some of these courses). <br /><br />Am told kina Biwott would go to Moi Univ especially, with all the kaleos with a passing grade of is it C or C+, and demand admission to 'powerful course' - SI GAT OFF NI C, WEGA YOTE GUWA DAKTARI. Now kikuyus have picked up the cue!!.So next time you see a doctor, know you are doing so at your own risk.<br /><br />A lecturer i talked to said majority of these students struggle to understand basic bio taught in HS, but woe unto you if any of them failed the medical course.<br /><br />Jameni, we are DOOMED - does anyone know anything that is goimg right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-2171397507441058812009-05-22T08:53:39.067-07:002009-05-22T08:53:39.067-07:00FACT FACTS amd more FACTS
kabila adui - use whate...FACT FACTS amd more FACTS<br /><br />kabila adui - use whatever language you please but remember " FACTS PLEASE "FACTSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-79515070057596716442009-05-22T08:32:51.276-07:002009-05-22T08:32:51.276-07:00And then he (the PM) was crying crocodile tears (i...And then he (the PM) was crying crocodile tears (in Karatina)---he looked like one, sort of, if you overlooked the porky snout.<br /><br />Oh heck--moderator clowns are misbehaving. Not good. I'm tired of being unfairly targeted yet I hold a place of honor, named after hobo-bumpkin's own declaration. Not good at all.<br /><br />Which language should the parable be in? Kyuk, Kale or Kao?kabila aduinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-21195460476008560382009-05-22T08:24:58.592-07:002009-05-22T08:24:58.592-07:00kabila adui
" Karatina Mungiki attacks had some l...kabila adui<br /><br />" Karatina Mungiki attacks had some link to the hobo-bumpkin's purse " Use a parable to explain if its too hot we will understandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-28548936038990121712009-05-22T08:23:13.131-07:002009-05-22T08:23:13.131-07:00kabila adui
" Karatina Mungiki attacks had some l...kabila adui<br /><br />" Karatina Mungiki attacks had some link to the hobo-bumpkin's purse " elucidate ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-1308950220164753272009-05-22T08:14:51.307-07:002009-05-22T08:14:51.307-07:00I think the moderator clowns are bad people. They ...I think the moderator clowns are bad people. They let anon@7:48's note to pass. And you can all see how virulent it is. <br /><br />Mine was not inflammatory,nor did it spew hate. I just puzzled at why some other poster wanted the Kikuyu collective to wake up. I also puzzled briefly at the possibility that the Karatina Mungiki attacks had some link to the hobo-bumpkin's purse. That's all.<br />And the clowns pull out my note :(.<br />Bad people!kabila aduinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-7083636038277805132009-05-22T07:48:47.613-07:002009-05-22T07:48:47.613-07:00Kikuyus are the most ignorant tribe in Kenya, peri...Kikuyus are the most ignorant tribe in Kenya, period. <br /><br />Most of the stolen land in Kenya belongs to Kenyattas, Kinuthia Saitotis, Mathenges, Michukis, Mahihus, Kibakis, Karumes, etc. The above mentioned thieving Kikuyus between them possess about 1,000,000 acres of land. Repeat. 1,000,000 acres of land. <br /><br />But please don't take my word for it, just wait for Agenda 4 of the National Accord if you want to know the REAL TRUTH about how the few Kikuyu elites plus their collaborators like Moi stole your land. And that is why ALL these thieves are resisting Agenda 4 so much.<br /><br />These hyena-like elite thieves stole prime land not only in Central, but also in the Rift Valley, and even all the way in the Coast Province! But even as these greedy gluttons were hurriedly stealing your land like a hyena afraid of being attacked by a pride of lions, they continued creating imaginary aduis be it Oginga, Seroney, JM, or whoever, to deflect attention from their nefarious and twisted thieving ways. The Kikuyu elites have have absolutely no qualms leaving their brothers and sisters wallowing in desperate poverty.<br /><br />Fact, if I was a Kikuyu squatter, landless and languishing in absolute poverty while the Kenyattas, Michukis, Kibakis, etc, had have over 1,000,000 acres of prime land, I would be their guest on "their land" until Kingdom come! <br /><br />Yes, the Kikuyu masses have eyes but like the blind they cannot see. All the so-called "victims" of the "post-erection crashes" can easily be settled on land that the Kenyattas, Kibakis, Kinuthia Muthengi Saitoti, Michukis, Karumes and others stole from you.<br /><br />So the truth is: Kikuyus are just like cows that are being fattened by Kenyatta, Kibaki, Kinuthia Saitoti before they are taken to the proverbial slaughter house. Which in this case is 2012.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-47348297469918620852009-05-22T07:46:00.516-07:002009-05-22T07:46:00.516-07:00Anon 7:19,
Ok then, Kibaki stole. He is the presi...Anon 7:19,<br /><br />Ok then, Kibaki stole. He is the president, right? Until 2012, right?<br /><br />So, are you going to whine and complain till 2012 or what are you going to do to ensure another Kibaki does not repeat this, and that the problems we have will be a thing of the past?JEFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12644468652659181686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-33822004196098388572009-05-22T07:27:16.075-07:002009-05-22T07:27:16.075-07:00What would you do ?
Now that it seems we have pro...What would you do ?<br /><br />Now that it seems we have progressed from kihii this pumbavu that - I hope permanently - it’s important to look at the way we have been "trying or pretending" to develop. This in my opinion is the greatest cause of tribalism. People here have suggested quite good ways to end it and what our leaders should do. These operatives promise heaven and earth but do not articulate exactly where the means to actualise these promises will come from.<br /><br />Acts like creating districts does not add any value and does not cost anything – it just creates more overheads which take us backwards. I will not speak to our leaders as they don’t deserve the name.<br /><br />It follows that when I become President / Prime Minister my first act will be to empower the country. Is it still illegal to think you are president ? <br /><br /> The only thing I would promise wanainchi is that I will try my best to electrify Kenya. Wind, solar, thermal you name it. Imagine the freedom and energy that would unleash. We talk about sharing of resources as if Kenya is a desert. <br /><br />If you can figure out why electricity is called POWER then you know what I mean. Any serious Government should first make sure the darkest corners of the country are lit up. <br />That would be my main objective as president – not to empower myself but to start moving the country out of “darkness “and all the ills of manipulation that come with it.<br /><br />In the Europe, Asia and America they have nuclear power because they know its “radio active “not to light up their people. - Dark Ages anyone? Our development model is the reverse of what it should be. We leave the countryside with its abundant resources and fight over handouts in the cities under the patronage of a few individuals who call themselves The Government of Kenya. <br /><br />Most private companies thrive on underhand government contracts; these are in turn used to build electoral goodwill through employment. Do YOU expect a company with Mr MP X connections to reflect the tribal mix in Kenya? the other” Kenyans” don’t even figure as they will not contribute to his votes. A good case sturdy is fish processing in Thika – does that make economic sense anyone? If we empower villagers and I mean cottage industries right in the villages countrywide then we might start seeing kibera and mukuru slums diminishing in size – trickle down will finally be exposed to really what it is – to keep a begging bowl perpetually in your hand.<br /><br />People need to be provided the means to make their own choices in situ. We can yap and write as many laws as we want but as long as some areas are still lighting up with mafuta [ life stops at six ] while others are plugging in their PCs equity will remain elusive as it has been since “dependence “ of few on many was handed over from the colonial masters in 63<br /><br />Public debt should be just that and it should by all means be intelligent debt – privatization instead of subsidizing power was one of the most dim-witted things a “developing nation” would do. Whoever hatched that plan should be build a statue that is hanging from a tree. POWER in private hands at this critical stage in our country is a recipe of blackmail and disaster. <br /><br />Stop for a moment and think about it. What would YOU do if you were President?4th Estatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-51364551394519659532009-05-22T07:22:22.267-07:002009-05-22T07:22:22.267-07:00Mpesa its not tribalism when you are taking steps ...Mpesa its not tribalism when you are taking steps to create a Nation. 'Lesotho' does not need workers with 'O'names or Kips.Let them go build their own industries .You can not continue insulting the hand that feeds you and think all is well.<br /><br />Last month it was agreed that each region shall hire civil servants from its own region.Let them go build their own industries in the private sector and hire their own<br /><br />EABL has it owners it is not a government institution to be shared 50-50The Republichttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mt_Kenya_Flag.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-77118544469109226512009-05-22T07:19:02.788-07:002009-05-22T07:19:02.788-07:00Jeff, you said:
"You are asking for leadership fr...Jeff, you said:<br /><br />"You are asking for leadership from the top. You will never get it. Not from Kibaki or Raila or any other pretender. Remember, we put these guys there, using our ethnic arithmetic,"<br /><br />You say we "put" these guys there Well, you left out one very crucial bit in the current "arrangement." We did not "put" Mwai "pumbavu" Kibaki there (in the position of president), HE STOLE IT. Has it occured to people that that act of THEFT is responsible for most of the mess, indiscipline, wrangling, high political tempratureS and anxiety, the very poor state of security to the extent that Mungiki is causing mayhem in Kibaki's own backyard.<br /><br />Let us be honest and put blame where it trully belongs, with Mwai "pumbavu" Kibaki - for STEALING the elections and then being a - I can't find a more polite word - pumbavu illegitimate "duly elected" President. <br /><br />These things that we are complaning about will continue occurRing as long as Mwai "pumbavu" Kibaki continues excersizing a mandate that he STOLE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-66889648253331402822009-05-22T06:52:27.951-07:002009-05-22T06:52:27.951-07:00So they--moderator jokers-- are now pulling off my...So they--moderator jokers-- are now pulling off my comments. That's ok. ;).<br />I wont go away.kabila aduinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-63852478612250424102009-05-22T06:18:20.146-07:002009-05-22T06:18:20.146-07:00Bull,
To what extent are you responsible for the ...Bull,<br /><br />To what extent are you responsible for the tribalism in Kenya? You are asking for leadership from the top. You will never get it. Not from Kibaki or Raila or any other pretender. Remember, we put these guys there, using our ethnic arithmetic, coercion, ethnic cleansing, killings, etc in the name of our tribe or kabila adui. We elected them to represent our ethnic needs. So, don't blame Kibaki if Treasury is all Kikuyus. Don't blame Raila if all plum ministries went to Luos and Kalenjin. These are the tribes and their kings they owe loyalty to. Not you, not me, not Kenya.<br /><br />So, my friend, do not expect any 'leadership from the top'. We, you and me, hold the solution. It will start with the moment we stop using emotion and ethnic affiliations to elect our leaders.JEFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12644468652659181686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-81365725655647747082009-05-22T06:12:30.266-07:002009-05-22T06:12:30.266-07:00I appoint a person from my tribe. the person dies ...I appoint a person from my tribe. the person dies before taking up the job. i appoint another person from my tribe.May be we have been too hard on the kiuks. I work for a gava company (since 1999) and i can tell you kaleos wanapenda watu wao. Even when there are serious discipline issues, Kaleos will do anything to protect one of their own. One of the reasons they so desperately wanted to get back to gava is that they rely heavily on employment provided by gava and its companies. If you move around Nai you will find very few kaleos in the jua kali sector i.e self-employed. Am not picking on kaleos. Am from a small tribe which can never defeat kaleos in a war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-79481162164637637602009-05-22T05:43:33.025-07:002009-05-22T05:43:33.025-07:00So now we are fighting for medals on who spins the...So now we are fighting for medals on who spins the best yarn out of tribalism. Ati positive and negative. Well, why then not start an a private company, use personal infrastructure and leave anything govt ouit of it. With that employ all your qualified tribesmen the much you like. <br /><br />Jeff you are a victim of Taabu's label-LIVING A LIE and in DENIAL. All else is pretense. Before seeking solution we must accept the painful truth that triblism is our singular most enemy practicd from the top. Two wrongs neveer made a right and leadership can only come from infornt and by example. Any takers?Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04351245071822284346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-85251301373563001122009-05-22T05:35:26.834-07:002009-05-22T05:35:26.834-07:00Sir Alex, I agree with you 100%. You said it very ...Sir Alex, I agree with you 100%. You said it very well:<br /><br /><B>THE CHICKENS OF FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT HAVE BEGUN TO COME BACK HOME - CENTRAL PROVINCE - TO ROOST</B><I>"Living a lie only leads to disaster look at vigilante vs mungiki, for many yrs Kikuyus insulted everyone now they are acting like animals - with wild abandon, look at Karua.....when will these people learn? Your enemy is not the luo or the kalenjin its the "owners" of the land that was meant to be given to Mau Mau and the landless in central after independence in 1963 - the Uhuru's Michuki's and Karume's. These are your REAL ENEMIES... They do not care about you, they never have and never will... The way out is to support those advocating for change like RAO and hold him to account.<br /><br />I think the Kikuyu should admit they have been repeatedly duped en mass and used like toilet paper.<br /><br />Now they killing each other like rats as if there is no tomorrow and still don't get it.....I bet some Raila hating Kikuyu will soon come up with a fraudulent theory that it's the Luos (and Raila in particular) who are causing the intra tribal war and bloodletting in Kikuyuland... My central brothers and sisters, WAKE UP. Kikulacho Ki nguoni mwako, si Mjaluo, Mkalenjin au Mluhya.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-84405825314120496572009-05-22T05:01:14.839-07:002009-05-22T05:01:14.839-07:00Jimmy Uhuru is a thief period but tell me how i am...Jimmy Uhuru is a thief period but tell me how i am protecting him. So if Uhuru messes around its the whole tribe that is messing around ??. I fail to understand the rationale of some idiot thinkers here.<br /><br />Kumekucha admins should also desist posting more hate comments as anonymous here. When i say KK is RTLM radio the Admin rushes to the defence by insisting that Uhuru is a member of Interamwe, kwani how shallow are you in thinking. No politican can act as Interahamwe or Janjaweed militia leader of Kenya while we have guns for hire like Kumekuch bloggers.<br /><br />Sam as you churn the Keyboard like an Interamwe militia while spreading flames of hate, ask yourself where you will be 15 yrs from now.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02956365854243272948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-83416407277373470392009-05-22T05:00:34.112-07:002009-05-22T05:00:34.112-07:00Is the younger generation less tribal than the old...Is the younger generation less tribal than the old guard? Just curious. What would happen if the young turks who happen to be the majority in Kenya wresteled power from the Wazees?M. Pesahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14168126497090037314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-74896353746874155302009-05-22T03:40:08.012-07:002009-05-22T03:40:08.012-07:00the tribes in kenya are very proud of their langua...the tribes in kenya are very proud of their languages and so tribalism will never end. If you are proud of your tribal language and ways, then you are prima facie biased against folks from other tribes. if there is something to be given out, you will first give "your" people. This explains sambili's action. You will also not attack your people. That is why taabu will not comment on sambili but will shout from the roof top about kibs appointing a kikuyu somewhere. It is also why a kikuyu will talk about sambili but will not comment if kibaki appoints a kikuyu central bank governor and ignores mwatela who had been acting for over a year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com