tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post8643940453265064665..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Month of disasters turned into month of miraclesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-52628000222232146542010-09-04T10:51:24.971-07:002010-09-04T10:51:24.971-07:00First my apologies to M.Pesa, I didn't imply y...First my apologies to M.Pesa, I didn't imply you are xenophobic but meant your statements can easily be misconstrued as xenophobic.<br /><br />Bobby6killer<br /><br />"It's a silent invasion folks."<br /><br />On the contrary it isn't. Some guys are just in their country.Baqadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991814544622899374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-69556292580532880242010-09-04T06:19:18.227-07:002010-09-04T06:19:18.227-07:00anon @ 8:23,
i only used chicken for illustration...anon @ 8:23,<br /><br />i only used chicken for illustration purposes. Feel free to replace it with whatever delicacy your community values. Truth is, in many communities it was considered a taboo for women to partake of the 'prime cut' of whatever animal you fancied. Point am making is - women were and in some cases still considered inferior to men. Kweli Urongo? Thankfully,society is gradually accepting the fact that women are equal to men in many aspects -wanna join the train before it leaves the station? <br />For that, mwarengeth'es use of the smoking in public example is...... hogwash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10177033969767868962010-09-03T23:15:47.173-07:002010-09-03T23:15:47.173-07:00@ anon 2:22,
That is precisely the issue with the ...@ anon 2:22,<br />That is precisely the issue with the "Somali problem". They do not integrate. We may "hate" each other's guts here in KE & duke it out even on cyberspace as you see on Kumekucha but one thing is certain, most ethnic groups in KE are integrating (read inter-marrying) which is a good thing. Even RAO welcomed a lass from the house of Mumbi after the PEV. We need to "Kenyanize" by breaking down these ethnic barriers. <br /><br />Also there is no such thing as border security. All borders are porous & the Somalis who know ancient grazing routes can easily walk into KE & do not expire in the drylands like some hapless Mexican "wetbacks" do in American desserts. <br /><br />With a Muslim population of 4m, the Somalia portion is a staggering 54%. Add in the trickling immigrants from the north who are less educated but still have a superiority complex to the "kaffirs" of the south, you will end up with a highly radicalized jihadist Muslim population in KE. The destruction of CBD by worshipers from Jamia mosque earlier this year is just an appetizer of things to come. Don't forget even Baqad conceded that Siad Bare "unsigned" the agreement with Kenyatta that ended the call for a Greater Somalia. It's a silent invasion folks. <br /><br />Bobby6KillerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-3518704420430440352010-09-03T21:38:02.553-07:002010-09-03T21:38:02.553-07:00Powerful Force vs. United Voices of the Majority:
...Powerful Force vs. United Voices of the Majority:<br /><br />Thank goodness that the united voices and pro new constitution forces won the day, while the so called "powerful forces" were humbled by reality and their agenda was never allowed to prevail.<br /><br />On the brighter side, let it be noted that their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and great-great-grandchildren's children will end up benefiting from the new constitution.<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Mwai Kibaki's Timely Role in the New Constitution:<br /><br />Failure to deliver the new constitution would have amounted to a monumental disaster for Mwai Kibaki and company had they not ceased the golden opportunity and capitalized on the historic moment by helping steer the new constitution process at full tilt to cope with the people's demand for real change.<br /><br />Hate him or like him, the man will be immortalized for his role in final stages of the new constitution.<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Raila Odinga's Top Hat:<br /><br />What was the political significance if any, in Raila Odinga's choice of a top hat for the ceremonial occasion?<br /><br />Was there any political motif or ideological symbolism that is characteristic of the top hat as seen in the photograph? Or was it a fashion accessory deemed fit for the historic occasion?<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Zain's Modus Operandi:<br /><br />Where there is fair business competition, the more it benefits the clientele.<br /><br />Hope network providers like Zain will continue to win more customers, while at the same time develop into a more successful network than the others that are still fleecing the general public.<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-34911715170311294362010-09-03T20:23:03.188-07:002010-09-03T20:23:03.188-07:00Society may have changed but some of us have yet t...Society may have changed but some of us have yet to change with the times, let alone keep up with the times. <br /><br />Anon 6:11 pm, your patronising attitude toward Mwarang'ethe speaks volumes.<br /><br />If I may ask, what makes you believe or think that mature women in Mwareng'ethe's household, or homestead, or community at large value commonly available poultry products like chicken?<br /><br />With all due respect to those who value chicken meat so much, please note that women in several other Kenyan communities eat goat's meat, mutton, lamb, seafood, and beef products.<br /><br />While domesticated birds like chicken, pigeons and turkeys are a dietary reserve for children, teenagers and some young adults.<br /><br />NB Chicken has never been among the priceless dietary commodities, or a special dish in some communities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-54329296557354076112010-09-03T18:11:33.245-07:002010-09-03T18:11:33.245-07:00Reading Mwarengethe's articles leaves no doubt...Reading Mwarengethe's articles leaves no doubt in my mind thaat this is a well read dude. <br /><br />Aside from spending lots of time reading in some cold library and penning articles for KK - seriously, sio kwa ubaya: does Chris pay you to do all this writing ama you are one of the NSIS idlers lurking in cyberspace?<br /><br />Anyway,I realized the guy is after all HUMAN, AND....A MAN. <br /><br />Mwarengethe, as a woman I take offense for saying/asking in one of your comments above why women smoke in public. puleeeeeze..kwani who says smoking in public (disgusting to say the least) is a preserve of men? cancer does not discriminate either. My friend, women smoke for the same reason(craving) that men do, so, achana na hizo zako.<br /><br />You are indeed proof that being learned does not take away the 'village' mentality from some people.<br /><br />Let me guess, in Mwarengethe's house women do not sit on chairs(ever wondered why some women sit on the ground at chief's barazas even when chairs are empty?). In your mind and maybe in your house women cannot eat certain/meaty/tastier parts of the chicken but have to 'fight' over the neck, legs or at best wings?!! <br /><br />Society has changed my friend try to keep up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-63323538549978571572010-09-03T17:38:59.748-07:002010-09-03T17:38:59.748-07:00Chris
“Now having said that I have no doubt that ...Chris<br /><br />“Now having said that I have no doubt that our Somali brothers realize that we have a very serious security problem in our hands. Any suggestions how to tackle it?”<br /><br />The answer as Anon says is not by expelling anybody. Rather we need to take a very long and good at ourselves. Is our house in clean and in order? And the answer is a big NO. Recently, a friend of mine witnessed at JKIA someone bribing an official so as to have their supposedly dangerous goods go in with them. Just for some KES 500 someone was endangering the lives of hundreds. Sadly, that was not an isolated case. The same gets replicated everywhere in the republic everyday and in every sector. That happens to be our greatest undoing. It is for this reason that some shadowy Armenians could come and be Assistant Commissioners of Police overnight. Yeah, as long as impunity and corruption is the order of the day, the ‘smaller shots’ would do as the big shots do. Anyway, I am optimistic that Lumumba would be doing something and that the clean start of the Judiciary would also help in the fight against corruption. I believe once the big shots are dealt with, the smaller guys would tow the line. <br /><br />Anon <br /><br />I agree with everything you. Some of these laws I think exist already. However, implementation is a problem, which makes it hard for the law abiding non citizens to have the necessary documents that will ultimately naturalize them. This, thus, makes people to look for shortcuts. And what a better way of beating the same than getting the real damned thing – ID? So yeah we need to tame corruption once again. You will be surprised that it currently is easier for some non citizens to acquire citizenship in Kenya than genuine Kenyan born Somalis. Take the case of my brother and a number of Kenyan Somali youth in NEP. They just can’t get this ID thing. My brother had to wait for several years even despite the fact the our father was in the army from the 70s.<br /><br />We also need to strengthen our institutions. What, for example does the NSIS do, other than the good salaries (by Kenyan standards) to its employees? And the KRA needs to make sure that everyone who is currently living in the country is taxed. How they do that maybe they can ask Mwarang’ethe. <br /><br />Mwareng’ther<br /><br />Mambo ya economics I wont even talk about them.Baqadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991814544622899374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-75636155161517075152010-09-03T16:41:39.998-07:002010-09-03T16:41:39.998-07:00Sawa Mwarangethe
When it comes to money issues I ...Sawa Mwarangethe<br /><br />When it comes to money issues I have to admit I give you the bigs, am just a mere chemist. Maybe when it comes to formulating policies in line with industrializing Kenya I am game as I can for instance say that I don't think we can industrialize without nuclear energy. I can also authoritatively say we cannot do it without an iron and steel industry, all which need massive energy to operate, but you have to agree the Somali problem will not be solved by driving or expelling them, we need to intergrate them.<br /><br />On the money laundering bill, I concur, so why can't we turn Kenya into an offshore banking center similar to the Cayman Islands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-63064107634831055712010-09-03T15:10:45.969-07:002010-09-03T15:10:45.969-07:00Anonymous said...
The solution to the somali prob...Anonymous said... <br />The solution to the somali problem does not lie in sending them back to somalia. That is counter productive and futile. The US has had the problem of illegal immigrants for a long time but it has never resorted to expelling them (I mean the whole 12+ million of them) infact it's a very sensitive issue and a point that politicians toil with giving many assurances in pre-election campaigns only to renege on them once in office.<br /><br />xxx<br /><br />Illegal migration and immigration from low wage nations is good for super class. <br /><br />It helps drive WAGES down for the middle class in the USA etc. <br /><br />Don't you guys get the "rules" of this game? We are in midst of a class war, but, it will not be televised.<br /><br />xxx<br /><br />Sources of money which it's alleged is piracy can easy be tracked now that the anti-money laundering bill was actalized and this and being able to track the recipients will make this idea DEAD.<br /><br />Any thoughts people?<br /><br />xxx<br /><br />What piracy? The OWNER/S of these "piracy" acts are known. Africans need to appreciate GEOPOLITICS. <br /><br />The idea of laundering money bill is a sick joke. If we do not have such money, how the hell will we "save" our too big to fail banks"?<br /><br />"Drug money saved banks in global crisis, claims UN advisor." <br /><br />@http://is.gd/eTPzoMwarang'ethehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751879277752081774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36357431539631781872010-09-03T14:22:57.307-07:002010-09-03T14:22:57.307-07:00The solution to the somali problem does not lie in...The solution to the somali problem does not lie in sending them back to somalia. That is counter productive and futile. The US has had the problem of illegal immigrants for a long time but it has never resorted to expelling them (I mean the whole 12+ million of them) infact it's a very sensitive issue and a point that politicians toil with giving many assurances in pre-election campaigns only to renege on them once in office.<br /><br />The thing is this, these people share a language and looks to our very own Somali's so when you embark on that exercise of hunting them down you are only causing untold suffering to our brothers and sisters. Kenyan-born somalis are part and parcel of our great republic and we should not at any point discriminate against them, if it was not for them would we have a very able person in charge of IIEC or the PSC? <br /><br />The Kenya of tomorrow needs the input of everyone currently residing in Kenya.<br /><br />The way I think we should do this is that in the coming up with a raft of laws to functionalize the new immigration laws (citizenship etc), we should give asylum to all foreigners who have been in Kenya illegally (Somalis) included so long as they pay a penalty for being in the country illegally. Ofcourse the penalty should not be punitive. By so doing, we will require all illegal immigrants to register within a period of say 6 months after which anyone found here without proper documents will only blame himself. Then a database of all recent immigrants can be kept and added to the tally of all Kenyans.<br /><br />Now, the penalties that will be paid can be used to fund a branch in the police to be responsible for border protection so that we don't have more illegal entrants. Also a branch should be set up to specifically deal with issues of threats of terrorism from within Kenya, their mission will be to gather intelligence and follow leads. <br /><br />Another requirement will be that the illegal immigrants will have to learn Kishwahili and English and intergrate in our society, pay taxes etc<br /><br />Sources of money which it's alleged is piracy can easy be tracked now that the anti-money laundering bill was actalized and this and being able to track the recipients will make this idea DEAD.<br /><br />Any thoughts people?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-46155991273417111412010-09-03T12:38:37.250-07:002010-09-03T12:38:37.250-07:00Anon 2.21 a.m. Seems you are always filled with bi...Anon 2.21 a.m. Seems you are always filled with bile. <br /><br />The somali influx started in 1991 after the fall of Siad Bare's government if you have been following events keenly.<br /><br />But I can understand your level of thinking...Muratina Major.<br /><br />Bwa ha ha haaaaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-26724588658440224622010-09-03T10:46:45.562-07:002010-09-03T10:46:45.562-07:00Mwarangethe,
Some help with those long links.
Ju...Mwarangethe,<br /><br />Some help with those long links.<br /><br />Just go paste them at:- <br /><br />http://is.gd<br /><br />It will shorten the link for you and make life easier for everybody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-35090418357552263522010-09-03T10:04:32.144-07:002010-09-03T10:04:32.144-07:00Seems this site has problems accepting full links....Seems this site has problems accepting full links. Please search under these terms:<br /><br />A spy unsettles US-India ties <br /><br />by By M K Bhadrakumar as reported by Asian Times on Mar. 23, 2010.Mwarang'ethehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751879277752081774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-44625565164671679752010-09-03T10:01:08.907-07:002010-09-03T10:01:08.907-07:00Now having said that I have no doubt that our Soma...Now having said that I have no doubt that our Somali brothers realize that we have a very serious security problem in our hands. Any suggestions how to tackle it?<br /><br />xxx<br /><br />Your assumption is that, the Somalis pose a security threat to us. We are afraid, they DO NOT.<br /><br />The security threat is "OUR FRIEND" the USA. Many are yet to realise this SIMPLE TRUTH. <br /><br />Here, we again provide irrefutable EVIDENCE of what we are saying. Sometimes ago, we saw a bloody "terrorist" attack in Mumbai India where 166 people died.<br /><br />We were told these were "Islamic terrorists." However, the truth is that, the ring leader of these bloody attack on innocent Indians was a CIA ASSET, a Mr David Coleman Headley. <br /><br />Please read the rest of these details here:<br /><br />http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LC23Df03.htmlMwarang'ethehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751879277752081774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-79284570828847921012010-09-03T09:12:44.673-07:002010-09-03T09:12:44.673-07:00Luka my brother (aka US Ambasssador to Kenya),
I h...Luka my brother (aka US Ambasssador to Kenya),<br />I had not seen your lengthy comment.<br /><br />Maybe you can explain some of the historical facts that will lose many new kumekucha readers like the Kioko guy from BC<br /><br />HeheheheheheheChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02403951793855060552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-89230476081949584932010-09-03T09:09:32.415-07:002010-09-03T09:09:32.415-07:00There is an important lesson to be learnt here.
I...There is an important lesson to be learnt here.<br /><br />I have written several articles about the Somalis. And In all of them I have failed to grasp the plight of our local Somalis. The situation they find themeselves in as millions of foreigners stream in through their territory. And NOT just any foreigners, their genuine relatives. People who shielded them many years back when they themselves were kicked out of Kenya by the Kenyatta government. I have done my own research and what our brother says is true.<br /><br />PHEW!!! And all this time my simplistic solution was just kick out the Somalis. BUT which Somalis?<br /><br />My sincere apologies to our Somali brothers for my insensitivity in my earlier articles.<br /><br />Now having said that I have no doubt that our Somali brothers realize that we have a very serious security problem in our hands. Any suggestions how to tackle it?<br /><br /><b>Kumekucha</b>Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02403951793855060552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80210831564119124072010-09-03T08:38:18.891-07:002010-09-03T08:38:18.891-07:00I fail to understand why this Christopher "Ch...I fail to understand why this Christopher "Chris" aka Kumekucha is so excited about this "new" Constitution.<br /><br />Is it because of the 2 acres land, or the killing of innocent unborn babies, the regional senators and governors, or legalisation of homosexuality in form of Human rights?... I don't get it!<br />I have said it before, this supposedly "new dawn" aka Katiba Mpya is deeply flawed and only time will tell...King Nebuchadnezzarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10731699531907298182010-09-03T08:07:59.050-07:002010-09-03T08:07:59.050-07:00Chris,
As i told you last week(and i know you doub...Chris,<br />As i told you last week(and i know you doubted me but you are forgiven because what is happening in this country is bigger than any one single individual) many people i meet nowadays are telling me how more and more this country is starting to feel like and resemble the one and only great united states of America. Though delayed by about a decade, our own "Obama" is coming in 2012...watch this space for more information. what more remains except for Kenya to change its name to America?A new constitution,Ksh 3 per minute phone calls across all networks,the unique release of a census conducted over a year ago with disputable figures etc. the list goes on and on <br /><br />First of all i my condolences to the memory of your dearly departed mother. i know that if she were alive today she would be proud of her son Chris "if i don't say it then who will" Kumekucha and the important but humble role he has played in contributing to the development of his beloved country through raising the profile of blogs as a medium through which the voice of the ordinary masses could be heard<br /><br />Even this blog has begun to be more American like in its tone and reflection of views. Mature level headed debate about the future of the country takes place without NSIS or Porn posters or Kioko BCs. Truly Kenya has been rebornAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-44859057607026070912010-09-03T07:33:00.112-07:002010-09-03T07:33:00.112-07:00Mwarang'ethe
I hear you. Afterall it's ver...Mwarang'ethe<br />I hear you. Afterall it's very clear who the largest terror state on earth is. Sadly they weild a big stick so the rest of the world cowtows. When you can afford to misplace $2.3 & a further $1 trillion before you sack the pentagon comptroller, you have serious clout. <br /><br />Badaq <br />Oparanya made a big mistake. Why nullify 8 districts & then include the anomalous figures in the grand total? The 38,610,097 total is a lie. They should not have had all that fanfare until AFTER the followup census in NEP & Turukana respectively. <br /><br />That said, there were also allegations of enumerators being bribed. Why is it that NEP was the only province granted the right to ask for forms to fill in (& actually get them, 3 times!)? Some enumerators are said to still be receiving 2nd salaries from Somalis to this day. <br /><br />Kenyatta did the right thing to object to Greater Somalia. How could a leader worth his salt lose 1/5 of national territory without a fight? KE lost mt. kili because it was bequeathed to Queen Victoria's German cousin's birthday. The Brits hoodwinked Somalia & left us all with imaginary borders we have to live with. <br /><br />Bobby6KillerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-87207114738291668172010-09-03T06:47:51.886-07:002010-09-03T06:47:51.886-07:00Forgive my lousy connection.Forgive my lousy connection.Baqadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991814544622899374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10407362876050697062010-09-03T06:37:24.445-07:002010-09-03T06:37:24.445-07:00Bobby6Killer
Thanks for the flatter.
There was a...Bobby6Killer<br /><br />Thanks for the flatter.<br /><br />There was an MOU mediated by Kenneth Kaunda between Kenyatta and President Sharmarke and PM Egal of Somalia, in 1967. Siyad Barre would later abolish that. Regardless, as I said before, we are Kenyans and do not want anything to do with a failed state.<br /><br />Saw your other comments but just ponder over this; Kenyan Somalis 2.3 million – NEP population 2.3 million. Who is fooling who? I thought we had more Somalis in Eastleigh than Garissa – the biggest town in NEP. Or those ones have now been assimilated? The number of non – Somalis in NEP can be offset by the Somalis strewn all over the country.<br /><br />M.Pesa<br /><br />Nashukuru.<br /><br />“What makes this issue even more complex is that we don't have much in common with the hundreds of thousands of these illegal aliens from Somalia who are hence very difficult to integrate with. Be their languages, religion or culture.”<br /><br />As far as I know the British for some evil reason decided to gift Kenya with a part of the Somali nation. The independence government thus fought for the territorial integrity of ‘Kenya’ – a conglomerate of tribes dubiously patched together into nationhood by some evil whites. However, the ‘Kenyan Somalis’ (I am glad this is the newest lexicon in Kenya courtesy of one Oparanya) have since accepted their Kenyaness. Thus, the Somalis from the failed state have no option but visit their brothers in Kenya. And we have to welcome them with both hands. Now, if Kenyatta had let NEP join Somalia would Kenya be experiencing a Somali problem? Anyway, I am a Kenyan and proud to be one and I don’t have to speak you language or adopt your religion to be one. Even the Leakeys and Mo Amin (can’t think of other prominent Kenyans of European and Asian descent) are Kenyans and are of a different colour. Luckily we have one of the most ‘progressive’ constitution in the continent if not the world. <br /><br />“For your info, you really can't blame them much. The biggest blame squarely lies on our corrupt, clueless and incompetent Govt that readily issues ID cards to any illegal alien waving the biggest wad of cash. One day after the face of this country is altered for good as a result of "open door" policy, I hope all the bogus IDs issued shall be revoked.”<br /><br />Exactly, that’s why I am advocating for the checking of corruption and impunity lest we also go the Somali way. All I want, just like you, are strong institutions and coherent foreign policy.<br /><br />“About the local Kenyan Somalis being discriminated, massacred by the Govt, I think every tribe here can also tell you some very touching stories about how the Mzungu blitzed them during colonial era.”<br /><br />I am not just lamenting about an historical injustice but an imminent one like the 1989 screening of Kenyan Somalia. A whole two years before the arrival of the first Somali refugees in the country.Baqadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991814544622899374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-24693724904448985192010-09-03T06:36:16.444-07:002010-09-03T06:36:16.444-07:00Bobby6Killer
Thanks for the flatter.
There was a...Bobby6Killer<br /><br />Thanks for the flatter.<br /><br />There was an MOU mediated by Kenneth Kaunda between Kenyatta and President Sharmarke and PM Egal of Somalia, in 1967. Siyad Barre would later abolish that. Regardless, as I said before, we are Kenyans and do not want anything to do with a failed state.<br /><br />Saw your other comments but just ponder over this; Kenyan Somalis 2.3 million – NEP population 2.3 million. Who is fooling who? I thought we had more Somalis in Eastleigh than Garissa – the biggest town in NEP. Or those ones have now been assimilated? The number of non – Somalis in NEP can be offset by the Somalis strewn all over the country.<br /><br />M.Pesa<br /><br />Nashukuru.<br /><br />“What makes this issue even more complex is that we don't have much in common with the hundreds of thousands of these illegal aliens from Somalia who are hence very difficult to integrate with. Be their languages, religion or culture.”<br /><br />As far as I know the British for some evil reason decided to gift Kenya with a part of the Somali nation. The independence government thus fought for the territorial integrity of ‘Kenya’ – a conglomerate of tribes dubiously patched together into nationhood by some evil whites. However, the ‘Kenyan Somalis’ (I am glad this is the newest lexicon in Kenya courtesy of one Oparanya) have since accepted their Kenyaness. Thus, the Somalis from the failed state have no option but visit their brothers in Kenya. And we have to welcome them with both hands. Now, if Kenyatta had let NEP join Somalia would Kenya be experiencing a Somali problem? Anyway, I am a Kenyan and proud to be one and I don’t have to speak you language or adopt your religion to be one. Even the Leakeys and Mo Amin (can’t think of other prominent Kenyans of European and Asian descent) are Kenyans and are of a different colour. Luckily we have one of the most ‘progressive’ constitution in the continent if not the world. <br /><br />“For your info, you really can't blame them much. The biggest blame squarely lies on our corrupt, clueless and incompetent Govt that readily issues ID cards to any illegal alien waving the biggest wad of cash. One day after the face of this country is altered for good as a result of "open door" policy, I hope all the bogus IDs issued shall be revoked.”<br /><br />Exactly, that’s why I am advocating for the checking of corruption and impunity lest we also go the Somali way. All I want, just like you, are strong institutions and coherent foreign policy.<br /><br />“About the local Kenyan Somalis being discriminated, massacred by the Govt, I think every tribe here can also tell you some very touching stories about how the Mzungu blitzed them during colonial era.”<br /><br />I am not just lamenting about an historical injustice but an imminent one like the 1989 screening of Kenyan Somalia. A whole two years before the arrival of the first Somali refugees in the country.Baqadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991814544622899374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-49295015931033590282010-09-03T06:35:48.041-07:002010-09-03T06:35:48.041-07:00Bobby6Killer
Thanks for the flatter.
There was a...Bobby6Killer<br /><br />Thanks for the flatter.<br /><br />There was an MOU mediated by Kenneth Kaunda between Kenyatta and President Sharmarke and PM Egal of Somalia, in 1967. Siyad Barre would later abolish that. Regardless, as I said before, we are Kenyans and do not want anything to do with a failed state.<br /><br />Saw your other comments but just ponder over this; Kenyan Somalis 2.3 million – NEP population 2.3 million. Who is fooling who? I thought we had more Somalis in Eastleigh than Garissa – the biggest town in NEP. Or those ones have now been assimilated? The number of non – Somalis in NEP can be offset by the Somalis strewn all over the country.<br /><br />M.Pesa<br /><br />Nashukuru.<br /><br />“What makes this issue even more complex is that we don't have much in common with the hundreds of thousands of these illegal aliens from Somalia who are hence very difficult to integrate with. Be their languages, religion or culture.”<br /><br />As far as I know the British for some evil reason decided to gift Kenya with a part of the Somali nation. The independence government thus fought for the territorial integrity of ‘Kenya’ – a conglomerate of tribes dubiously patched together into nationhood by some evil whites. However, the ‘Kenyan Somalis’ (I am glad this is the newest lexicon in Kenya courtesy of one Oparanya) have since accepted their Kenyaness. Thus, the Somalis from the failed state have no option but visit their brothers in Kenya. And we have to welcome them with both hands. Now, if Kenyatta had let NEP join Somalia would Kenya be experiencing a Somali problem? Anyway, I am a Kenyan and proud to be one and I don’t have to speak you language or adopt your religion to be one. Even the Leakeys and Mo Amin (can’t think of other prominent Kenyans of European and Asian descent) are Kenyans and are of a different colour. Luckily we have one of the most ‘progressive’ constitution in the continent if not the world. <br /><br />“For your info, you really can't blame them much. The biggest blame squarely lies on our corrupt, clueless and incompetent Govt that readily issues ID cards to any illegal alien waving the biggest wad of cash. One day after the face of this country is altered for good as a result of "open door" policy, I hope all the bogus IDs issued shall be revoked.”<br /><br />Exactly, that’s why I am advocating for the checking of corruption and impunity lest we also go the Somali way. All I want, just like you, are strong institutions and coherent foreign policy.<br /><br />“About the local Kenyan Somalis being discriminated, massacred by the Govt, I think every tribe here can also tell you some very touching stories about how the Mzungu blitzed them during colonial era.”<br /><br />I am not just lamenting about an historical injustice but an imminent one like the 1989 screening of Kenyan Somalia. A whole two years before the arrival of the first Somali refugees in the country.Baqadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991814544622899374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23865235778794039972010-09-03T06:00:28.185-07:002010-09-03T06:00:28.185-07:00Baqd.
Karibu sana. You wrote:
"I think you ...Baqd.<br /><br />Karibu sana. You wrote:<br /><br /><i>"I think you also need to tone your almost xenophobic rhetoric down."</i><br /><br />I'm not a racist or tribalist. I love Somalis, be they local or from Somalia. But I love Kenya more. It's true that we Kenyans have an obligation to assist those fleeing persecution regardless of where they come from. But how many can we manage to assist especially if they are living here illegally and using the scarce resource available? <br /><br />For over 20 years, Kenyans have done more than enough to help Somalis and deep down they know it. Maybe we are becoming sick and tired after all that time and we are bound to ask, what the heck are they doing themselves to restore back their country from hurtling to hell?<br /><br />I think we are doing the right thing to discuss this highly emotive and sensitive issue that sometimes ignite passions. Even KTN's own Jicho Pevu has been illuminating this issue all this week. And some of us talking loudest about it are labelled racists, xenophobic blah blah blah.<br /><br />What makes this issue even more complex is that we don't have much in common with the hundreds of thousands of these illegal aliens from Somalia who are hence very difficult to integrate with. Be their languages, religion or culture. <br /><br />We really don't have a proper clue of how many come in or even leave daily or even their backgrounds since they are illegals, never having been screened. <br /><br />And we also know it's not the whole of Somali that is in chaos. Some of these bogus asylum seekers come from peaceful areas that are relatively stable and that's why many are scared of being screened. <br /><br />So it's not far fetched to assume some of them could have been involved in killings and bombings in their own country.<br /><br /> For your info, you really can't blame them much. The biggest blame squarely lies on our corrupt, clueless and incompetent Govt that readily issues ID cards to any illegal alien waving the biggest wad of cash. One day after the face of this country is altered for good as a result of "open door" policy, I hope all the bogus IDs issued shall be revoked.<br /><br />About the local Kenyan Somalis being discriminated, massacred by the Govt, I think every tribe here can also tell you some very touching stories about how the Mzungu blitzed them during colonial era. <br /><br />Some will even tell you Moi tried hard to ethnically cleanse them and deliberately killed their coffee industries etc. Some will tell you they held demos over a "stolen" election and got shot in their hundreds by the GSU. I think it's about time we reflected and moved on. Wallowing in self pity won't accomplish much.M. Pesahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14168126497090037314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-9158768063527879912010-09-03T05:49:23.469-07:002010-09-03T05:49:23.469-07:00"Willing buyer, willing seller" in my vi..."Willing buyer, willing seller" in my view enables Somalis to buy anywhere in KE but I think mechanisms should be in place to determine funds are legitimately raised.<br /><br />xxx<br /><br />“Once upon a time a famous pirate prisoner was brought in front of Alexander the Great. Alexander asked him:’Why do you infest the seas with so much audacity and freedom?’. <br /><br />The pirate ( A Somali pirate) answered:’ For the same reason because you infest the earth (Western Military); but because I do it with a little ship, I’m called pirate; because you do it with a big fleet you’re called emperor’”.Mwarang'ethehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751879277752081774noreply@blogger.com