tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post8578546728628304977..comments2024-03-24T12:17:00.460-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Waki Shames the Devil, Starts War on ImpunityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91069695064000191492008-10-21T16:54:00.000-07:002008-10-21T16:54:00.000-07:00Kimi,We are not done yet. Here we go and you said:...Kimi,<BR/>We are not done yet. Here we go and you said:<BR/><BR/>.....In any case, the office of President in today's world would require a very dedicated person...<BR/><BR/>How dare you disappoint Kwale? On a serious note amplify that attitude and it reflects why we are where are in this filth. Somebody (Obama clone) must dirty his hands and you cannot selfishly distance yourself like that. <BR/><BR/>You owe me and apology lest I pronouce a CURSE, dare you? You must accept to join the committe to bell the wild and randy cat.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-47652353518953675752008-10-21T12:40:00.000-07:002008-10-21T12:40:00.000-07:00UrXlnc, all LUOS are born of incest from inherited...UrXlnc, all LUOS are born of incest from inherited mothers with HIV and extra long smelly foreskin!!!!<BR/>enda ukatwe sa hii and stop spreading HIV!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-20058489421296506912008-10-21T12:11:00.000-07:002008-10-21T12:11:00.000-07:00kimias you may have noted, i usually follow balanc...kimi<BR/><BR/>as you may have noted, i usually follow balanced contributions. <BR/><BR/>the reason i get perplexed or exasperated is when otherwise upright chaps in this forum (who should lead by setting appropriate standard for mature discussion) get caught up in mindless exercise to subjugate, smother or otherwise intimidate other contributors on account of ethnic or any other type of prejudice. <BR/><BR/>this prejudice is cloathed in veiled or blatant stereotyped references as the "brainless" "worshippers" "thieves" etc.<BR/><BR/>am sure only a handful of people will come back to this thread but if anyone of you have a moment kindly read the following two articles which may not be authoritative but provide some clear definitions and insight.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://the_english_dept.tripod.com/stereo2.htm<BR/><BR/>http://remember.org/guide/History.root.stereotypes.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>if possible try to relate directly or through proxies (loved ones, etc) to the definitions from both perspectives (i.e the aggressor as well as the victim of such attitudes) and yes i know "am preaching to the choir" but my take is that there are many in this choir that still "just dont git it"<BR/><BR/>our favorite pastime on this blog appears to paint all those opposing as belonging to some stereotyped group and then we try real hard to paint ourselves as being above not just that group over there but even among our most ardent fans (group) over here. lets blame this on our parents or teachers or anybody else who stoked our egos and made us believe that we are God's gift to humanity and that where we are not, there can be no life.UrXlnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17975473173690337119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-50166446734974885552008-10-21T12:06:00.000-07:002008-10-21T12:06:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.UrXlnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17975473173690337119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-55026314402667527902008-10-21T07:31:00.000-07:002008-10-21T07:31:00.000-07:00Kwale, The discussion continues because it is inte...Kwale, The discussion continues because it is intelligent and interesting. Haven't you noticed that most of the abusers have disappeared?<BR/>About being a President, just forget it, but thanks all the same. When would i ever go and see an F1 race in private without all the baggage? How can i chat up a pit babe without paparazzi hounding me? In any case, the office of President in today's world would require a very dedicated person. Also, a guy like me loathes that kind of limelight as inevitably, you must pretend all the time, which i find very difficult to do. <BR/><BR/>Taabu, okay, i withdraw any accusations. To answer your question; Yes, i would vote for Obama without question.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-42121342111121693482008-10-21T06:24:00.000-07:002008-10-21T06:24:00.000-07:00Kwale,You cheeky bloke, you are very smart in canv...Kwale,<BR/>You cheeky bloke, you are very smart in canvassing as COP in whose office now?<BR/><BR/>Otherwise we keep it here soberly outside the din in latest posts. Lunch on me and bill me, won't you?Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-8088628751594782972008-10-21T06:00:00.000-07:002008-10-21T06:00:00.000-07:00Taabu/Kimi,My goodness! We started this discussion...Taabu/Kimi,<BR/><BR/>My goodness! We started this discussion on Sunday now is Tuesday and you are still at it?!<BR/><BR/>Look no further, we should have Kimi as the commander in chief(president) and taabu as PM. They have shown us they are politically adept to be the next leaders of kenya!Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-8129710001104926582008-10-21T04:39:00.000-07:002008-10-21T04:39:00.000-07:00Kimi,Kwenda, stop crucifying me on a cross I never...Kimi,<BR/>Kwenda, stop crucifying me on a cross I never bought or asked for. You are one smart bloke but not you are loosing the plot with false accusations. Where is the hypocracy in the swali? Just answer, yes or no and stop imagining what is not asked-that is called questioning intent (never known) and not the act.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-90893159505811987352008-10-21T02:43:00.000-07:002008-10-21T02:43:00.000-07:00UrxInc, As an individual, i would be one of Obama'...UrxInc, As an individual, i would be one of Obama's most vocal campaigners if he ever stood in Kenya. <BR/>If he loses the election in the US because of racial bias, we shall demand he comes and stands for the Kenyan Presidency.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-19388530593277953002008-10-21T00:44:00.000-07:002008-10-21T00:44:00.000-07:00Everybody is talking about Kibaki and the Kikuyu b...Everybody is talking about Kibaki and the Kikuyu but look at the bigger picture.Why dont I hear anybody talking about Raila, Ruto or Ntimama? This report will raffle alot of feathers and I dont believe Kibaki and his inner circle will be the only ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-45097953839484355792008-10-21T00:00:00.000-07:002008-10-21T00:00:00.000-07:00Worries me how Obama's name gets dragged around th...Worries me how Obama's name gets dragged around this blog, yet very few of the values he stands for are practiced by the KK community. Take for example how the silly book launch was thwarted and the writer flung out of the country, amid roaring support from KK sideliners. One dumbass even went on to say that i lick white bums. Kwani am i supposed to bite them?! Very disappointing, really. Obama (God love 'im!) would be appalled at this all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-19276174136568293092008-10-20T22:49:00.000-07:002008-10-20T22:49:00.000-07:00correctionvote for obamaUrXlnccorrection<BR/><BR/>vote for obama<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-53411426087785021142008-10-20T22:47:00.000-07:002008-10-20T22:47:00.000-07:00kimiallow me to indulge you further on thisjoe and...kimi<BR/><BR/>allow me to indulge you further on this<BR/><BR/>joe and taabu asked whether you (singular person) would vote for kibaki. i do not know if theres a history of coded speech so i cannot judge what the intent is other that whats written<BR/><BR/>your response partially deflects the direct question by resorting to rabble rousing (and surely some will rise to it) ro some sort of crowd mingling thats the part thats uncalled for. i have read Joe's comment and question and taabu's they are directed at you. a simple yes or no would suffice, a justification/elaboration on why would certainly be refreshing, but calling for crowd support .... ? ..<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-74518335702391125692008-10-20T22:31:00.000-07:002008-10-20T22:31:00.000-07:00B-carotene, i am with you. Couldn't have put it be...B-carotene, i am with you. Couldn't have put it better. There is an unspoken attempt to equate Raila with Obama, the same Raila who with Kibaki are now asking Kenyans to forget about the Waki report and forgive the evil pervs named in it.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-74781711621352178962008-10-20T22:29:00.000-07:002008-10-20T22:29:00.000-07:00UrXlnc, Taabu asked: ..."IF OBAMA WAS VYING IN KEN...UrXlnc, Taabu asked: <BR/><BR/>..."IF OBAMA WAS VYING IN KENYA WOULD YOU VOTE FOR HIM?"..<BR/><BR/> That is a question loaded with sarcasm and skepticism precisely because if you read between the lines, Taabu is asking if i and those who supported Kibaki would really ever vote for Obama. Taabu has said numerous times on this blog that Kibaki only got support from Kikuyus, the 41 against one mantra. It follows then that when he asks this question, he is just trying to bait me. Who is now reducing this issue to a tribal discussion? He even says in a follow up post:<BR/><BR/>"..I am sure if you have done some psychology then you are aware of the unspoken intent that is latently implied in speech albeit poorly disguised...."<BR/><BR/>The key phrase is "unspoken intent latently implied". In other words, when Taabu is hypocritical it is perfectly okay, but the moment you IMAGINE i am being hypocritical you all jump on me like cats. Hilarious! You really need to get serious.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-69045773649660351112008-10-20T16:00:00.000-07:002008-10-20T16:00:00.000-07:00Let's push the speculation a little further, for w...Let's push the speculation a little further, for what its worth. If Obama were campaigning for Kenya's presidency in 07, would he have gone round dubbing whole communities "kabila adui," "madoadoa," and so on?<BR/>Let's be honest about this and stop uttering Obama's name in the same breath as Raila Odinga's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57343681638273092342008-10-20T14:49:00.000-07:002008-10-20T14:49:00.000-07:00Kimi,As always with you all the way and won't atke...Kimi,<BR/>As always with you all the way and won't atke anything from your. I am sure if you have done some psychology then you are aware of the unspoken intent that is latently implied in speech albeit poorly disguised. How I wish that you keep fidelity with both sides.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13410603427672016972008-10-20T12:19:00.000-07:002008-10-20T12:19:00.000-07:00kimi==What have i been saying all along? I would v...kimi<BR/><BR/>==<BR/>What have i been saying all along? I would vote for Obama in a heartbeat, and so would millions of Kikuyus.<BR/>==<BR/><BR/>am perplexed ? why do you always throw in this tribal angle ? and why or what gives you the right to speak on behalf of these "millions"<BR/><BR/>you usually start off by making some sound arguments but for some reason you always end up with a tribal jab that completely throws off those of us that don't really care about tribal affiliations, inclinations and/or afflictions.<BR/><BR/>do re-evaluate yourself bro, you are a lot bigger than thatUrXlnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17975473173690337119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-46357781088247639032008-10-20T11:59:00.000-07:002008-10-20T11:59:00.000-07:00Joe Says:"...the situation in Kenya today is more ...Joe Says:<BR/><BR/>"...the situation in Kenya today is more like in the US during the civil rights era. Do you honestly think Obama would have made it in the 60's?..."<BR/><BR/>Wrong.The situation in Kenya is the way it is because of ignorance and lack of enlightened leadership. The situation in the US in the 60s was the way it was by legalized discrimination. Blacks only started voting in 1965.<BR/><BR/>Joe says:<BR/><BR/>"...We must change the way we view fellow Kenyans. Ask yourself, if Obama was kenyan, would you vote for him?..."<BR/><BR/>What have i been saying all along? I would vote for Obama in a heartbeat, and so would millions of Kikuyus.<BR/><BR/>Joe says:<BR/><BR/>"...Right now, i would vote anyone in who promises to change our politics..."<BR/><BR/>I agree.<BR/><BR/>Anon @ 7.31am, as i said before, if you want to continue discussing politics of hatred and self-righteous, know-it-all bigotry, count me out. I AIN'T interested.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-85856096822142747132008-10-20T08:01:00.000-07:002008-10-20T08:01:00.000-07:00Kwale/Kimi/Joe,You may differ folks but the common...Kwale/Kimi/Joe,<BR/>You may differ folks but the common message or desire in all of you is CHANGE. The challenge therefore remains what next or better still what must we do to have the first step in. <BR/><BR/>Kwale you and I know what is good only that sometimes we chose to get lost in the mix. If only we can singularly concentrate our energies into winning souls and attitutde for the better good. <BR/><BR/><BR/>We are not where we are for lack of ideas. Better still we are not colectively sinful for lack of smart preachers. I will AMPLIFY Joe's question and please reflect on it and only answer yourself: IF OBAMA WAS VYING IN KENYA WOULD YOU VOTE FOR HIM?Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23910928338492460012008-10-20T07:31:00.000-07:002008-10-20T07:31:00.000-07:00Joe, You asked asked Kimi a very good question: If...Joe, <BR/><BR/>You asked asked Kimi a very good question: <BR/><BR/>If Obama was Kenyan (and vied for the Kenyan Presidency) would Kimi and the rest of the people who think like him - Kwale e.t.c - vote for him? <BR/><BR/>Your guess is as good as mine. The would have the same pumbavu attitude towards Obama as they have towards Raila. They would spalsh him with huge amounts of irrational hatred, lies, insults and third rate propaganda aimed at soiling his name at every opporunity they would get.<BR/><BR/>As for us looking for somebody young to vie for the top leadership, I am a bit pessimistic because a lot of Kenyan young poeple have been severely infected with ethnic hatred and the pumbavu values of FRAUD, DECEPTION and THEFT. They are no better than the wazee's. <BR/><BR/>You just have to listen to guys like to Kwale and Kimi to realize that they may be young but their whole mix of attitudes is no better than that of Njenga Karume, Mwai Kibaki, Michuki et alAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-50785186386344777152008-10-20T06:09:00.000-07:002008-10-20T06:09:00.000-07:00Kimi,I am not left behind. I am not a pessimist ei...Kimi,<BR/><BR/>I am not left behind. I am not a pessimist either. However, the situation in Kenya today is more like in the US in during the civil rights era. Do you honestly think Obama would have made it in the 60's?<BR/><BR/>We must change the way we view fellow Kenyans. Ask yourself, if Obama was kenyan, would you vote for him?<BR/><BR/>Right now, i would vote anyone in who promises to change our politics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-963035003412053192008-10-20T05:45:00.000-07:002008-10-20T05:45:00.000-07:00Joe, i admit i said those things, but this is toda...Joe, i admit i said those things, but this is today(now) and politics is dynamic and fluid so i have changed my mind. The man of the moment right now(WORLDWIDE) is Obama and he has shown that we can jettison old thinking and try out new things, that is the point i am making. Please do not be left behind. <BR/>B-carotene, i understand where you are coming from, but Kalonzo should also show us that he can carry out and implement the Obama political brand, and in this case, he will have to compete with others and we can vote for the most persuasively convincing. I really do not see any other way to unite the country and if the Kenyan Obama is Luo for instance, we vote him, with unqualified support and passion. In other words, where he comes from will not matter, just that he is an Obama clone. I am convinced that we need a message beyond tribal alliances, which both ODM and PNU are, to get this country moving. How is it we have the most educated middle class outside white South Africa yet we are so backward in our politics, that we should settle for Kalonzo or Raila?<BR/>Taabu, you are already giving up before you have even started? Don't be afraid to deal with the who after John, and the earlier you reveal him the better. We can then assess him on his merit after parrying and fighting off and dumping any negative tribal characterization he may attract. That will come for sure, and it will be like the early racist labels Obama had to endure, until even moderate republicans realized that Obama had a deeper message than just being a black Presidential candidate. Why can't we get our own Obama with an equally deep message that is beyond tribal differences? <BR/>Obama the political brand is going to influence politics far beyond America. Would it therefore not be utterly shameful that in the country of Obama's ancestors, we will potentially be going into the next election practicing the same old primitive politics of destruction and hate that brought us to the brink, in the process showing to all the world what a bunch of sorry lost souls we are, that we could not even be influenced to right our wayward ways by the most spectacularly successful and charismatic politician in a generation?Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36006191857913264862008-10-20T05:14:00.000-07:002008-10-20T05:14:00.000-07:00Taabu, I have a question for you, if Kimi (our kim...Taabu, I have a question for you, if Kimi (our kimi) stand for presidency would you vote for him? A young and visionary, articulate (your own words), moderniser, neither left nor right (socialist or nationalist), uniter, a man with a plan, grit and determination and capability to transform Kenya from a third world country into a tiger economy. Or would you stick to your old inadequate tribal grumpy old men who promise you nothing but tribal loyalties?Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-11251417863243328312008-10-20T03:46:00.000-07:002008-10-20T03:46:00.000-07:00Kimi,I hear you. I may be having a name called Joh...Kimi,<BR/>I hear you. I may be having a name called John but trust me the next question will be John who? And the implication is OBVIOUS. There lies the Achilles heels. Way to go?Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.com