tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post814543452843431014..comments2024-03-24T12:17:00.460-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Fishy Business With The IDPs: Why The Mad Rush?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-40332227652708424822008-09-16T09:11:00.000-07:002008-09-16T09:11:00.000-07:00Only the people who have no brains resort to viole...Only the people who have no brains resort to violence in group to forcefully get what they think is theirs. Who really owns the soil or Land? Only God does. No one on this earth can claim that he is really original to a certain location. All the tribes moved from one place to another at one point in history. Where people claim to be theirs may have at one time or another been occupied by another. Civilization teaches us that one can acquire property by purchase and the security of that Land is the document or agreement made between the seller and the buyer or any succession document. The idea of selling land to certain individual with the idea that that area belongs to a certain community and then take it by force just because they dont agree with some individuals on political issues, that means that the aggressors are still primitive and should be considered as such. It is high time that the whole country should turn against such communities and wipe them from National jobs and let them work where they were born. The idea of chasing other tribes from certain areas just because they differ with the local community politically or just because they are perceived as more hardworking that the locals has the precedent that eventually that community will end up fighting itself just as what is happening in Somalia. Although all people there are all somalis, they are fighting every now and then over clanism and families. In fact there is rumours that in the areas where the Kissis and Kikuyus were chased from, the local Kalenjins are threatening to chase those Kalenjins who bought land there. So watch out. What you saw is what you reap. Only time can tell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-15864306243761198812008-05-08T06:30:00.000-07:002008-05-08T06:30:00.000-07:00kwale I don't know where nur from but clearly u ha...kwale I don't know where nur from but clearly u have issues I grew up in nbi and know all about kuyo 'work ethic' ...first there is no such thing, I beat them sound<BR/>ly in class and in the sports field. They had hygiene issues. They only thing that made them stand out was a unhealthy, demonic worship for money and wealth. That include any fair or otherwise means to get money they only succeed cause the rest of us try to be decent. Postelection violence was us trying to give them a taste of their own medicine look how they quickly became cry babies.<BR/> Sir AlexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-87587206585412231172008-05-07T23:18:00.000-07:002008-05-07T23:18:00.000-07:00Precisely Anon 12:50. Anon 12:13 the IDPs will not...Precisely Anon 12:50. Anon 12:13 the IDPs will not just be resettled anywhere. They will be resettled where they belong, that is why it is better to check all the issues of land and sort them out once and for all otherwise trust me this thing will blow up again in 3 years time. You see these thing of ancestral land like e.g. Nyanza belongs to luos,kisiis. Western, Luhyas didn't just start with Kenya when the israelites were moving from Egypt to the promised land, every tribe was given their own portion and they were told that to dwell in the land and cultivate it and let it produce. If you read our kenyan history, it is almost the same thing the luos moved from Sudan and they settled on the lakeside coz they were fishermen and so it just happened that they settled in Nyanza, Kyuks came from Cameroon and they settled in Central province and so it happened for all the other tribes, so as Orengo rightfully says we must go back and read our history well than we can yapp all that we want that we are the legal owner of the land in RV and yes if they want it we can sell it at the market price currently. And why only RV<BR/>The biggest irony is that how come it is not the kambas, the rendile, illchamus not the ones who bought land in Rift Valley or is it that they were not enterprising enough....Just a thought!!!!!<BR/><BR/>IvyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-75844515321556822442008-05-07T12:50:00.000-07:002008-05-07T12:50:00.000-07:00If these IDKs bought land from white settlers then...If these IDKs bought land from white settlers then this issue is more complex than i had thought , the settlers had no moral or legal right to sell land that was not theres in the first place , if you buy stolen material it is taken and given back to the original owner , then it is up to you to get your money back from the thief .So the IDKs should sue the british to get a refund of their money if any was paid , the land belongs to indegenous owners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-75665391233775641882008-05-07T12:13:00.000-07:002008-05-07T12:13:00.000-07:00Chris your support that the IDP's be resettled els...Chris your support that the IDP's be resettled elsewhere is just like "mama mtoto kupuliza who grazed his knee" it does not address the issue. <BR/><BR/>1st of all the IDP's should go back to the same places they lived 4-5 months ago. The more they delay, the more the people that chased them away will feel that the land is theirs. That is justifying a wrong. <BR/><BR/>2nd. If they are resettled somewhere else. Take for example somewhere in Northern Kenya, dont you think maybe 50 years from now Wolalo's will say they were displaced so that other "intruders" can be given their land? The issue here is that no matter where they are resettled, they will still be seen as intruders. <BR/><BR/>3rd. Being that u peaceful guy, why dont u advocate for peace and more intermarriage btwn those communities. Believe me their kids 20 years from now will not have to choose btwn baba na mama. They will have to embrace both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-7997766748592396522008-05-07T11:31:00.000-07:002008-05-07T11:31:00.000-07:00Kwale,The work ethic the Kikuyus have is: Be corru...Kwale,<BR/><BR/>The work ethic the Kikuyus have is: Be corrupt during day time, rob and kill at night.<BR/><BR/>No, thank you, I would rather die poor than kill to be a millionare. That is my upbringing: Christian, civilized and moral.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-50124659446464267542008-05-07T11:20:00.000-07:002008-05-07T11:20:00.000-07:00Chris, anybody knows that HURRY, HURRY HAS NO BLES...Chris, anybody knows that HURRY, HURRY HAS NO BLESS.<BR/><BR/>Orengo was right. A lasting solution should be found, and that is resettling the Kikuyus on Kenyatta Land in Central Province.<BR/><BR/>The land actually doesnt belong to Kenyatta family. The land was bought with Kenyan tax payer's money after independence. Kenyatta took all of it. That's why Oginga left KANU to form KPU.<BR/><BR/>Is it funny that the same sons of Mau Mau (the Mungiki), who supported Kenyatta by then, are now roaming around killing people and claiming they are landless and jobless. The same crooks who stole their land (wakina Karume na Uhuru) now want the gov to dialogue with Mungiki.<BR/><BR/>The same people dont wank lasting solutions of the RV IDPs. What a silly folk!<BR/><BR/>Orengo was right.<BR/><BR/>NgayuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-85963528092913017892008-05-07T10:10:00.000-07:002008-05-07T10:10:00.000-07:00kwalefor most kenyans, honesty and untrustworthy a...kwale<BR/><BR/>for most kenyans, honesty and untrustworthy are extreme diametric opposites, <BR/><BR/>so like i said, we are trying to fight perceptions here known also as stereotyping<BR/><BR/>its good you say your father-in-law is honest, so lets keep it at that (individual level), and not bring in the rest of the community. and by the way, do you mean like "in you were blind and now can see" thanks to in-law, i.e you had zero bzna acumen but he successfully pumped you with brand new stuff?, i dont quite get where you are heading with this. or is this a more subtle (wannabe wealth flaunting) arrogance ("boy this has paid off")<BR/><BR/>just continue feeding this monster<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-43289560221177065282008-05-07T10:03:00.000-07:002008-05-07T10:03:00.000-07:00and the truth shall set you freeand the truth shall set you freeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-27877771644823268622008-05-07T09:58:00.000-07:002008-05-07T09:58:00.000-07:00Anon 9.35, I never said they are special. Never! T...Anon 9.35, I never said they are special. Never! Their proxmity to colonial govt and early contacts with the European gave me an advantage. Read the history of Kenya and it's civilization and you will see what I am talking about. I am just arguing about facts here. Even during Moi's era they continued to prosper even though Moi supressed them politically. <BR/>By the way my father-in-law is a Kyuk and he has taught me greatly on how to be shrewd and ruthless in business dealings. But with honesty!! And boy it has paid off!!<BR/><BR/>KwaleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-15323164980846364092008-05-07T09:41:00.000-07:002008-05-07T09:41:00.000-07:00Kwale you need to "songa pale pale" and make sure ...Kwale you need to "songa pale pale" and make sure "hubaki huko huko". Can you at least discuss something substantive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-62334667742091754112008-05-07T09:38:00.000-07:002008-05-07T09:38:00.000-07:00Kwale who really gives a DAMN, does that add more ...Kwale who really gives a DAMN, does that add more sufurias of ugali on my table or does it help me educate my kids....I think you blogged on the wrong Kumekucha. Mashada is beckoning you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-16032627864859770892008-05-07T09:36:00.000-07:002008-05-07T09:36:00.000-07:00yes kwaleapplying anon 8:12 logic, you are a kikuy...yes kwale<BR/><BR/>applying anon 8:12 logic, you are a kikuyu ass-licker<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-88933377426657348022008-05-07T09:35:00.000-07:002008-05-07T09:35:00.000-07:00Kwale, yours is pure thoughts of crap. Kyuks have...Kwale, yours is pure thoughts of crap. Kyuks have so far dominated because of their stealing tendencies and nothing else. Mungiki got their match in the Rift Valley so Kikuyu's now know Kenyans do not fear them. Guns for guns! pangas for pangas! The RV militia was their equalizer, period.<BR/><BR/>On a level playing field, Kikuyus are simply equal to everybody. Nothing special.<BR/><BR/>PintoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-54670306281856183452008-05-07T09:07:00.000-07:002008-05-07T09:07:00.000-07:00To Ivy, UrXlnc and to all you lot of your ilk; Kik...To Ivy, UrXlnc and to all you lot of your ilk; Kikuyus will always be a formidable force. So you better get used to them and live with them peacefully. The agricultural nature of their lives means they will always be “better off” than any other tribe and that’s a fact. Economically, they are blessed with some of the most fertile land, their work ethic, and their willingness to adapt and adopt to new situations, makes them ideally suited as business people, so much so that’s why you see many Kenyan businesses today are run by Kikuyu.<BR/>Unlike many other Kenya ethnic groups, Kyuks are a united nation, there is no such thing as clan infighting in Gikuyuland. Prior to civilization the Gikuyus were very democratic. If one experienced a problem, it was solved within one’s own place in the hierarchy. If that did not work you would go to those one-step higher, and so on.<BR/>And it’s those hierarchies that have enabled them to be a dominant force politically. As a matter of fact they will always have an edge over the emotionally charged Luos who mix politics and emotions. Yes, Kyuks are arrogant and cocky but they are more resilient. If you don’t believe me, just ask Richard Leakey, the only white man alive who claims to know more about Kikuyus than any one else. So please please let’s find ways to live together as one bearing in minds we are all different. <BR/><BR/>By the way I am not a Kyuk and I don’t claim to be one but I see things the way they are. At least I don’t live in a cloud-cuckoo-land that most of you live.<BR/><BR/>KwaleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-9712028281071500092008-05-07T08:51:00.000-07:002008-05-07T08:51:00.000-07:00Anon 7:58 So I guess all Kales are great long dist...Anon 7:58 So I guess all Kales are great long distance runner, all Luos have degrees all Kuyos are wealthy beyond comprehension, damn did I just waste two minutes of my life :-(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-11419002636891217382008-05-07T08:46:00.000-07:002008-05-07T08:46:00.000-07:00anon 7:58, 8:12interestingfirst (strike 1) you con...anon 7:58, 8:12<BR/><BR/>interesting<BR/><BR/>first (strike 1) you continue to subscribe to the stereotyping (kales, luo, kikuyu, wathungu, primitives)<BR/><BR/>next (strike 2) you continue with the diatribe (ass-licking etc)<BR/><BR/>next (strike 3) you attempt to solve a problem (negative perception) by not just only deflecting the argument to a different topic but by also introducing a new problem based entirely on your prejudices.<BR/><BR/>effectively you continue to be part of the problem rather than the solution. but then again, its your democratic right.<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-34708759952071346332008-05-07T08:42:00.000-07:002008-05-07T08:42:00.000-07:00Anon 7:58 Guess you became the "self-appointed" sp...Anon 7:58 Guess you became the "self-appointed" spokesperson for the Luos and Kales, kudos to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-28904820658471468692008-05-07T08:12:00.000-07:002008-05-07T08:12:00.000-07:00Ivy.. White skin is seen as superior and untouchab...Ivy.. White skin is seen as superior and untouchable by these primitive tribes. And that's why they remains dumb and fools!! You can go to school, get the degrees and phds but you are white man asslickers!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-9692208688215309572008-05-07T08:04:00.000-07:002008-05-07T08:04:00.000-07:00But again you have a point. Ask yourself why the l...But again you have a point. Ask yourself why the luos and kales dont resent them yet they resent guys from central <BR/><BR/>IvyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-24744697156342384272008-05-07T08:03:00.000-07:002008-05-07T08:03:00.000-07:00Anon 7:58....Just listen to yourself. Ati what Ivy...Anon 7:58....Just listen to yourself. Ati what <BR/><BR/>IvyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-22953467295851735082008-05-07T07:58:00.000-07:002008-05-07T07:58:00.000-07:00UrXlnc: Wazungus own the biggest chunks of land i...UrXlnc: Wazungus own the biggest chunks of land in the RV, they came to our country raped it, and plundered all our national resources. Beside that they are very arrogants, they don't like to intregrate with Africans coz they have low regards us, and yet we don't hear any fuss about them.<BR/>But then again, Mzungu is seen as a mighty God by the Kales and Luos.<BR/>In central Muthungu (mzungu) mean nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-26009033902430491292008-05-07T07:52:00.000-07:002008-05-07T07:52:00.000-07:00UrXlnc your comments are the bomb. I guess you are...UrXlnc your comments are the bomb. I guess you are so different from the Wu Tang Clan. Anyway that is the plain truth <BR/><BR/>IvyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-21400803999214330482008-05-07T07:28:00.000-07:002008-05-07T07:28:00.000-07:00anon 6:22sorry didnt realise you were using IExplo...anon 6:22<BR/><BR/>sorry didnt realise you were using IExplorer<BR/><BR/>if you are using firefox you should still be getting the popup (unless you've disabled popups) for firefox users, if you are not getting the popup comment box, then right click on the comment and open in new tab.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-87118405262448877812008-05-07T07:24:00.000-07:002008-05-07T07:24:00.000-07:00Anon: 7.08... what stolen election??? There was no...Anon: 7.08... what stolen election??? There was no stolen election. Kibaki and PNU won fairly and squarely. What happened after that was an attempted coup by ODM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com