tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post7809959702492860464..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Why Has Raila Veered Off So Badly?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-76224216054740246602008-11-19T12:36:00.000-08:002008-11-19T12:36:00.000-08:00The point about Kenyan politics is that personalit...The point about Kenyan politics is that personality cults place the individual above the ordinary. We tease out what individual politicians do because, in our minds, they are permanent fixtures on our political firmament. This need not be true. Kenyans must learn to say, "Thank You" and retire a politician's useful energy. A country has to move on. Raila and Kibaki, like many others, have served their time. Their useful shelf-life is gone, and with it their omnipotence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-83568095562628336682008-11-19T06:33:00.000-08:002008-11-19T06:33:00.000-08:00For how long will Raila allow himself to be misuse...For how long will Raila allow himself to be misused by his perennial adversaries?<BR/><BR/>Raila has antagonised all his supporters by failing to understand the prevailing mood on the ground,in order to please the international community and to win central province voters.<BR/><BR/>Raila you will be urged on and cheered by central province people but you know as well as I do that they will never vote for you.<BR/><BR/>You are making enemies all over in the name of providing leadership.You have offended the coastals with KPA issue;Rift Valley with Waki/Mau forest issue,Luos with circumcision issue,Kisiis and Luhyas are not happy either.<BR/><BR/>We love you Raila and we hate seeing you blundering and my advise is that you make peace with the Kalenjins ASAP,for you owe them the position that you hold now.<BR/><BR/>Imagine a scenario where they say enough is enough and move to UDM;will you still be the Prime Minister?<BR/><BR/>Please watch your steps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-61893353948627011942008-11-18T17:02:00.000-08:002008-11-18T17:02:00.000-08:00My 10th great grandfather Ragem, commends Kumekuch...My 10th great grandfather Ragem, commends Kumekucha on boldly seeking the attention of Raila Odinga, but advices as follows:<BR/> <BR/>I too have questioned how and why Raila could renege on duly representing the interest of the people who gave so much to put him in office. I have used intelligence and have been assured by counter-intelligence that the PM may just be on the right track. Bestowed on the PM, and the Raila you have alluded to, is intelligence that we can only speculate about. However, the base is rightly worried and here is where political wit is lacking. On this you have your finger on the pulse. Kumekucha, Raila's perception may be that he has caught a lion by the tail, and must continue holding lest it bites us. His supporters need to believe, not just in his desire and ability to end impunity, but in theirs. What is the cost of ending impunity? Is it losing a life long dream to be president? MLK gave his life for the world to appreciate his work. Madiba spent 27 years in prison to change SA. Raila has already given about 8 years in detention and recently he contended with giving up claim to victory and with sharing power albeit not 50/50. What more is he prepared to forfiet to change Kenya? Reverse intelligence indicate that Raila has not changed his position on what should be done to those arrested on allegations of fanning post election violence. Quite the contrary, his position is that many are innocent, except that in freeing them without fair jury, the guilty will slip through, and the cycle will continue.<BR/> <BR/>Kumekucha, I am miles away from home, but I am able to read the situation in Kenya, get and decipher reciprocal intelligence and counter- intelligence. I take it that as you celebrate your anniversary, you will read the situation very well so that when you decide to spill the beans, let it be nothing but the absolute truth.<BR/> <BR/>All said, you are doing a good job and Kenyans look up to you for substance most of the time, and chafe now and then. <BR/> <BR/> <BR/>-- <BR/>Joram Ragem<BR/>wuod Ndinya, wuod Onam, wuod Amolo, wuod Owuoth, wuod Oganyo, wuod Mumbe, wuod Odongo, wuod Olwande, wuod Adhaya, wuod Ojuodhi, wuod Ragem! (Are you my relative?)Joragemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688689943834958962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-24127977427222902882008-11-18T15:06:00.000-08:002008-11-18T15:06:00.000-08:00OkerrroRaila has never advocated for the list bein...Okerrro<BR/>Raila has never advocated for the list being handed to the ICC , he stands for those fellows to be tried here at home if you have been reading the newspapers.The report is very clear and legaly binding since the prtagonists put their signatures on behalf of their supporters , this is not one of those local reports that are normaly filed for future attention.The clock is ticking and the sooner your kind realizes that the better , the options are narrow and clear Hague or Nairobi? your pick Okello. <BR/><BR/>BTW<BR/>are you in the list okello?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-60681180652806549732008-11-18T14:54:00.000-08:002008-11-18T14:54:00.000-08:00SamWhat you dont understand is that raila is a pri...Sam<BR/>What you dont understand is that raila is a principled man and the life of 1 single kenyan is not worth the presidency to him.Respect him for taking a position that will most likely see him never rise to take the position he has fought for all his life,if that is how much value Raila has on the life of an ordinary kenyan's life then let him be the best president kenya never had.Should we let killers roam about just because Raila wants to be president ? the answer is a resounding NO!. Ruto is going around saying no one financed , icited or unleashed terror if that is the case then why is he so worried.The law is there to deter people from doing the same mistakes , shuold we sit back and wait for another massacre in 2012? OkelloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-88020930194012223102008-11-18T13:04:00.000-08:002008-11-18T13:04:00.000-08:00It was not all about Raila, and it is neither abou...It was not all about Raila, and it is neither about ruto, right now. Election was just an excuse. It is all about land and the way it was given away to kikuyu from kiambu, kiambaa etc for free,yes for free just for singing to kenyatta yet it was being sold to kales who were squatters there. The population all over kenya is growing very fast, it is straining the little available land. Its now that guys are asking themselves how did these people acquire this land.Some of these people we expatriated to RV to create room for kenyatta and his kin in CP. He wasnt even done yet. He grabbed land in atleast 6 provinces in kenya and now owns more than a province for himself! Mind you he was a pauper when he became president.How on earth did he manage to acquire this enomous amount of land within 15yrs of his rule, these are some of the questions these guys are asking. Killing people was not acceptable and those who did so should be prosecuted, prefarably by the ICC so that the real truth can be known. I am happy that part of the agenda 4 was about land. I don't trust a local tribunal, because hyenas who own whole provinces: kenyatta, moi, kibaki and odinga's families will hijack it and abort the justices and in 2012, the same cycle will repeat itself. So ruto plis stand your ground so that a local tribunal is not set but instead, you and the matter go to the hague, then the truth be known and it will for sure set us free. Go and request that your accusers face you in hague, I know that its like sacrificing you, but if that is what it will take to set this country free, then let it be. I am very sure that many including rao, kibaki, moi,uhuru, michuki and every one whos guilty on public gallery will join you.Yes ruto can as well go and hang in the hague, but until and unless we address the real issues, somalia,ss,drc, ivory coast will become a reality in kenya.It is the bitter truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-47973941688038607742008-11-18T10:31:00.000-08:002008-11-18T10:31:00.000-08:00@Anon 9.57 did you say that ......RAO could easily...@Anon 9.57 did you say that <BR/><BR/>......RAO could easily win the youth vote using the Obama strategy of all regions at play?<BR/><BR/>May be but SURELY NOT Kikuyu young or old. They have never andwill never just ask Kimi and his ilk. They will provide all the verbal cheers and FORGET the vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-86208485219202817292008-11-18T09:57:00.000-08:002008-11-18T09:57:00.000-08:00Ok,let us assume that RAO loses the RVP votes beca...Ok,let us assume that RAO loses the RVP votes because he let the Dutch take some homeboys, R will either get the Kikuyu votes or will lose but go down in History as a leader who sacrificed his political career for the sake of Human Rights and Justice. He then becomes an example to African countries, a peace maker, wins a nobel and wins the hearts and minds of humanity. To me, that is a high road, a road worth travelling on.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, he will not have no equal in 2012. He dwarfs Karua, Mudavadi, Uhuru et al. With his solid Nyanza vote, all he will need is Western or Central. He could easily win the youth vote using the Obama strategy of all regions at play.<BR/><BR/>I am developing great appreciation on this RAO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-74622521033180817722008-11-18T07:52:00.000-08:002008-11-18T07:52:00.000-08:00We do not like hear what Sam say, but he always ri...We do not like hear what Sam say, but he always right. If me was raila, i must listen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23413950408867541712008-11-18T07:27:00.000-08:002008-11-18T07:27:00.000-08:00First off; IS YOUR PRESIDENT THIS COOL?http://...First off;<BR/> IS YOUR PRESIDENT THIS COOL?http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/17/opinion/edbeam.php<BR/> Show them how jakogelo.<BR/><BR/>Why the panic? Like I have said before when the kenyan Obama arrives at the scene we shall perceive him not......<BR/><BR/>At first he was unelectable......then all he wanted was a motorcade....then he was third in command....alas, the kehii declared circumsision for all.....guys are runnning out of ideas ...small minds trying to wrap themselves around a great mind<BR/>RAO....you can't touch that, you thought you knew him because you believed lies told to you by your tribal leaders for election purposes......to stroke your ego and get your vote... now the stink bomb is on your face........Remenber RAo first said the report was not going to be easy to implement, you should have listened, why are people shaking now......? I will tell you why there is a big tribal constituency that still thinks in tribal math, RUTO=Kalegin vote.<BR/>RAO needs kalengin vote=needs Ruto,<BR/>We killed and so did Ruto....ROA will not see ruto punished=he will loos moral autority to punish us....but alas...ROA says all must carry theit own mizigos=panic.....<BR/><BR/>The truth will set you free tribal math does not work...to the Hague To the hague everyone who killed to the hague......there is no hiding behind another persons guilt......Some people here are shaking because they know that when all evil perpetrated in kenya is to be punished and all truths unearthed there will be crying and gnashing of teeth mostly in one area and they know themselves...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sir AlexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-20305032343076537682008-11-18T06:43:00.000-08:002008-11-18T06:43:00.000-08:00@Sam,Enough of your nonsense!!!!I have said it bef...@Sam,<BR/>Enough of your nonsense!!!!<BR/>I have said it before and i will say it again..There are only TWO sides to chose..MURDERERS and KENYANS!<BR/><BR/>Do not sugar coat it,play with words or wear patriotic,religious garb and try to preach to us.<BR/><BR/>@Ivy,<BR/>Yes we need to address the historical injustices but where does that have to happen before we mete out punishment to the post-election violence murderers??And do not call it mob-justice,I remember teling you immediately after the PEV that General Ruto will pay for been the Prince of Darkness and you would ask for evidence and a court of law.Well,both were granted,Waki did the preliminary evidence searching and the court will be ICC.<BR/><BR/>@Everyone else..its high time we realized that all the 'leaders' in the political scene are incompetent and selfish and we need fresh and brand new visionary leadership in which tribe has no part.And yes Sam Okello that means that Raila will not be the president of Kenya and sad as it may be we need to look for young,visionary leadership and he surely aint it.<BR/><BR/>GOD BLESS KENYA.Warothehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07361485448239764901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-52393407456805656752008-11-18T06:36:00.000-08:002008-11-18T06:36:00.000-08:00Sam Okello,Either you are born a retard or you hav...Sam Okello,<BR/><BR/>Either you are born a retard or you have psycological problems, which one is which?<BR/><BR/>You make Taabu look like an angel when you post comments to back your post here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-82519864805931896272008-11-18T06:26:00.000-08:002008-11-18T06:26:00.000-08:00Taabu,You have a way of totally missing the gist o...Taabu,<BR/><BR/>You have a way of totally missing the gist of what I say that never ceases to amaze me. You seem to think I backed off from what I said earlier about forgivenes, sovereignty and now the misguided stance of Big Brother. If you take a careful look at my train of thought, you'll see the consistent theme of a man who seeks to see his nation unified and strong. I will continue to object to the forces in Kenya and abroad who want us to surrender our soveregnty to the Westerners. You may wrap this surrender in scented garments like "we need to be in partnership and have relations all over the world", but at what cost?<BR/><BR/>No, Taabu, there is a way to be respected. All I've called for repeatedly is a Kenya-run tribunal. Let's prove our maturity. That's how the West was built.<BR/><BR/>Where am I going wrong, bro?<BR/><BR/>Sam OkelloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-11067902781424992812008-11-18T06:09:00.000-08:002008-11-18T06:09:00.000-08:00And another thing Sam,It is exactly how he handles...And another thing Sam,<BR/><BR/>It is exactly how he handles this Waki thing that will earn him my vote come 2012.<BR/><BR/>If he cannot handle Ruto then he may as well kiss my vote goodbye.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392614056876577737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-31267686090781765012008-11-18T06:03:00.000-08:002008-11-18T06:03:00.000-08:00Sam,Quoting you....I'm a patriotic Kenyan. I'm jus...Sam,<BR/>Quoting you....<BR/><BR/><I>I'm a patriotic Kenyan. I'm just warning my big brother that the path he is on will lead him to political oblivion. Do you think the Europeans will worry about a Raila defeat after 2012? I know that I'll worry because I want a steady hand, such as Raila's, to lead this nation. That's why I scream sometimes</I><BR/><BR/>Why should the Europeans worry? Let me ask you, do you believe in democracy? If indeed Raila runs and is defeated in 2012, won't that be the will of the people?Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392614056876577737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-15399913294106945802008-11-18T05:54:00.000-08:002008-11-18T05:54:00.000-08:00Sam Okello, I am anon 4.36. Do you believe in God ...Sam Okello, I am anon 4.36. Do you believe in God or your god is Raila?<BR/>Why do you sound like a two years old child? You are not patriot. There is difference between patriotism and hero worship. All your posts and comments are filled with worship of another human being.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-43062169966628171462008-11-18T05:38:00.001-08:002008-11-18T05:38:00.001-08:00Sam,You are good at doing what you must have been ...Sam,<BR/>You are good at doing what you must have been weaned on. First you tried PREYING on our insecurities by peddling forgiveness under the cover of religion. When that failed to wash you doned PATRIOTIC fatigue and foamed at the mouth waxing anti neo-colonialist.<BR/><BR/>When we saw your gimmicks for what they are now you are back to FAMILIAR grounds EXPEDIENCY-political prize atop corpses. Well you wil soon have no more space to manouvre and play game of semantics with.<BR/><BR/>THERE COMES A TIME when people must act and RAO is doing it now by leading from the front no matter the cost. No prize is big enough than human life Sam. <BR/><BR/>Save yourself the 2-cent advise warning RAO that he is loosing the base. Between Sam Okello and RAO who do you honestly think is POLITICALLY NAIVE? Your support of status quo betrays the political environment you were weaned on and which you may be exploiting to feather your selfish nest.<BR/><BR/>There are LEADERS and pretenders. The former take stands no matter the consequences and screams. the latter has EXPEDIENCY as their forte and will be WAVY as the upepo wa kusi.<BR/><BR/>Impunity demands a radical surgery and no amount of pretense and self-preservation can eradicate it. Ruto has alll the right to kick and scream but we must start addressing IMPUNITY from somewhere. Waki's report offers the best start. Kenya is bigger than anyone of us.<BR/><BR/>And while at it just scroll up the comments and see the scinism among RAO haters. Tenda wema nenda zako must be his guiding light. These people will cheer him on and never back him when he needs them. Make no msitake, he is not doing it for them but for Kenya.<BR/><BR/>As for your cheap Mulu Mutisya-like parroting on neo-colonialism STOP IT. The west saved Kenya and thank then for you have a country to speak of. <BR/><BR/>No human life is of less value and let the HAGUE express leave the station soon.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-86420364188942527222008-11-18T05:38:00.000-08:002008-11-18T05:38:00.000-08:00I think there is a misconception that Kibaki is ag...I think there is a misconception that Kibaki is against justice. NO HE IS NOT. He is simply stating that justice must be tampered with forgiveness. This is the same thing that is happening in Rwanda through their "Kacheche" courts. <BR/><BR/>As the culprits gets punished for their evil deeds, communities MUST be reconciled to each other for a long lasting peace and co existance. Before reconcilation to happen, communities have to forgive one another. One can not be reconciled to another as long as bitterness and suspicion still exist.<BR/><BR/>We must be careful not to use the Waki report to settle political scores or gain tactical advantage, but to use it to genuinely seek justice, end impunity and reconcile communities. In both cases, Kibaki and Raila are right. So is Martha Karua. <BR/><BR/>I think for a long time we have dwelt on personalities with our raving and rantings of Kibaki this, Raila this, Ruto this. This leaders will come and go but Kenya will remain. We must preserve it intact for our children and children children.<BR/><BR/>Even if Ruto is found guilty and is hanged, what can we do to prevent us from stopping other "rutos" from emerging in our midst? This is because tribalism is a midset. So is using violence for political gains. Its a culture that the likes of Ruto found themselves in and just continued to perpetuate. We must break this culture, together with other evil cultures such as corruption, greed and immorality.<BR/><BR/>This is the point am making. Lets love our country and take this opportunity to built a more united Nation. For that to happen, there gave to be confession of wrong doing, restitution to be done to aggrieved parties and where serious human rights abuses where committed, punishment to be done. And for communities to forgive each other and be reconciled to each other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-48720157159545635212008-11-18T05:22:00.000-08:002008-11-18T05:22:00.000-08:00RAO is on the right track. He does not need arap ...RAO is on the right track. He does not need arap Samoei and his ilk...Old Faithfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699016301478508933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-84513922907104835912008-11-18T04:56:00.000-08:002008-11-18T04:56:00.000-08:00Sam said "the kind of blackmail the European ...Sam said "the kind of blackmail the European Union wants to subject our country to is unacceptable. They need to be told in no uncertain terms that we're no longer a colony"<BR/><BR/>This is not a case of neo-colonialism interference in domestic Kenyan politics as much as it is a case of yet another Kenyan administration embarrasing the country internationally by blackmailing its proud citizen into accepting weak sounding explanations of failure to offer credible direction in tackling a crisis in a manner attuned to the wishes of the majority<BR/><BR/>We need to maintain strong ties with our FORMER colonial master and its allies because we would not be here typing on keyboards in Kumekucha had it not been for Annan&co. including "Condi" Condoleeza Rice and other eminent persons who helped this "sovereign" nation regain its sanity in the early part of this yearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-2446016005798446632008-11-18T04:54:00.000-08:002008-11-18T04:54:00.000-08:00As much as we want peace we also need to know that...As much as we want peace we also need to know that all these politicians want to become presidents or have powers that be.<BR/><BR/>I can rember that there was a problem when Ruto wanted Kalonzo to be the presidential candidate and he even said that Raila cannot be elected but when he realised that Raila was working with other Rift Valley leaders to win votes that was when Ruto made a U-Turn to support Raila.<BR/><BR/>Ruto has decided that he will be running for presidency so why should he cheat anybody that he will give away the Rift Valley votes ? We wish him well too because that is politics.<BR/><BR/>Even if Raila does not become president leaders should learn that anybody who kills innocent people should take the Hague journey.If this does not happen nobody will accept defeat in the election to come and they will just be sending the worriors to fight till Annan is sent back to Kenya to sweet talk the Kings to agree to share the half bread and this is the script Rift Valley is reading.<BR/><BR/>The issue of lawlessness should be done away with.We want peace and we want to live as Kenyans not as tribes.<BR/><BR/>Let us look far it is not an eassy walk but it is worth walking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-12263404784875102622008-11-18T04:51:00.000-08:002008-11-18T04:51:00.000-08:00Sam, Intelligence without common sense just become...Sam, <BR/><BR/>Intelligence without common sense just becomes academic. To be bright alone is not enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-17503951534839240622008-11-18T04:46:00.000-08:002008-11-18T04:46:00.000-08:00I am down with an IQ test with him, however demean...I am down with an IQ test with him, however demeaning to me.<BR/><BR/>I can beat him in everything there is to compete for, including his very OWN profession.Vikiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12856714528491258384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-22261200521553366182008-11-18T04:45:00.000-08:002008-11-18T04:45:00.000-08:00anon 4:36Raila is a strong, moral leader. Once he ...anon 4:36<BR/><BR/>Raila is a strong, moral leader. Once he gets past this Waki-indiced mess, he'll be just fine. I know he'll find a way to correct course. Watch!Sam Okellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12213718412362645620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-72538399926033628722008-11-18T04:42:00.000-08:002008-11-18T04:42:00.000-08:00What's up Vikii,Raila of course is intelligent...a...What's up Vikii,<BR/><BR/>Raila of course is intelligent...and so are you. Can we subject the two of you o an IQ test to determine who comes off on top?Sam Okellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12213718412362645620noreply@blogger.com