tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post6924797573814258550..comments2024-03-24T12:17:00.460-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Annan Mediation Failure: Beginning of Self Determination Struggle?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-70412644023361741392008-02-21T06:03:00.000-08:002008-02-21T06:03:00.000-08:00wachaneni......everything comes at a price, it wou...wachaneni......<BR/><BR/>everything comes at a price, it would be sad to lose maathai, kiai and githongo but you know what? for the sake of peace in kenya secession is the best option!!<BR/><BR/>it would also be good for the gema republic to have people check their government these people will do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-44480699340555442102008-02-21T03:49:00.001-08:002008-02-21T03:49:00.001-08:00It's sad that we would lose some great pple like ...It's sad that we would lose some great pple like Wangari Maathai, and all the Kuyks I know who beleive what Kibaki did was very wrong but their voices are drowned by Martha's arrogant rumblings....<BR/>These great Kenyans will suffocate too under Kibaki and his cronies.<BR/>Instead of seccession why not just remove the few who are giving Kenyans problems???<BR/>I u/stand the Sabaot Land defence has upped their style and now kidnaps for Ransom.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-17086874574076083362008-02-21T03:49:00.000-08:002008-02-21T03:49:00.000-08:00Ivy,It has been spoken in hushed tones? I have bee...Ivy,<BR/>It has been spoken in hushed tones? I have been calling for it as the ultimate solution to our problems.<BR/>Just like death is the ultimate cure of all ailments, Secession is the ultimate cure for all our hatreds and inequalities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-46826715923631935172008-02-21T02:42:00.000-08:002008-02-21T02:42:00.000-08:00Chris I just got this from a group of classmates ....Chris <BR/><BR/>I just got this from a group of classmates ..Might be very intresting to read...It has been the cries of many in this blog....Do you think it can be true? <BR/><BR/>To: Infosciences@yahoogroups.com<BR/>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:01:18 -0000<BR/>Subject: [Infosciences] Balala's declaration of separation<BR/><BR/>I haven't scoured all the papers but I know not many will report what<BR/>Balala said on TV yesterday. I seemed to get the message that he was<BR/>calling for a secession. You and I know, though, that this has been in<BR/>the minds of many and has been spoken about in hushed tones. It is the<BR/>first time a public utterance has been made of it by a man of stature.<BR/>It is arguable that, by attempting to legitimise an illegitmacy,<BR/>Kibaki himself seceded from the larger Kenya. Except for the visit to<BR/>Eldoret church that was burnt, he has been unable to travel much<BR/>outside State House.<BR/><BR/>Here below is a document I came across on the Internet that speaks the<BR/>same language. I think it is an adaptation of the American Declaration<BR/>of Independence.<BR/><BR/>http://kenya.rcbowen.com/talk/viewtopic.php?id=65096<BR/><BR/>The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription<BR/><BR/>ivyIvyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322325173956927941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-66494527305207710892008-02-21T00:50:00.000-08:002008-02-21T00:50:00.000-08:00Africans, stop lying to youselves that you are chr...Africans, stop lying to youselves that you are christians. You are just followers of the teachings of JC as i am an applied maths student. This hogwash of PRAY, PRAY ALL THE TIME WILL TAKE US NOWHERE!! I STOPPED THE BULSHIT OF CLOSING MY EYES AND MUMBLING WORDS THAT I DONT EVEN MEAN. Africans throng churches every sunday yet they are still hating each other the moment they step out of the church. They go to church just to show off their new cars and money that they steal from the common mwananchi. THERE HAS BEEN A LIE THAT HAS BEEN REPEATED TO AFRICANS ABOUT HEAVEN. FELLOWS BLACKPEOPLE, THERE IS NO PLACE CALLED HEAVEN WHERE AFTER YOU DIE YOU WILL GO TO. This is just meant to make the oppressed IMAGINE of a place where there will be no oppression, and they can only reach that place when they are DEAD!! HATA JC DIED MANY YEARS AGO, AND THE BELIEVERS BELIEVE THAT ONE DAY HE WILL COME BACK FROM THE SKY AND TAKE THEM AWAY TO HEAVEN WITH HIM. ITS ALL A BIG LIE TO MAKE THE AFRICAN MISS THE BIGGER PICTURE. we have all the resources that can make our lives much better, but our greed and selfishness has blinded us. How do you explain a people who have all the gold, diamonds, oils, fecund soils, great lakes and rivers YET THEY ARE DIRT POOR. THE ELITES CREATED BY THE MKOLONI HAVE EXTENDED THIS SAD SITUATION. <BR/>I BELIEVE IN THE UNITY OF THE BLACK MAN AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE DAY, WE AS BLACK PEOPLE WE WILL BE ABLE TO DISCOVER WHO WE REALLY ARE, OUR TRUE HISTORY AND CHART OUR DESTINY AS A RACE.<BR/>BUT, this will not be possible in a situation where some millions of poor black people are taught to hate their brothers. I say this because my community has suffered this hatred of being seen as primitive and backward my a tribe that feels they have achieved all that they need to be modern society. THEY ARE STILL A MILLION LIGHT YEARS BEHIND. IF MUNGIKI WAS A GROUP THAT SEARCHES FOR ENLIGHTMENT, and not SUPERIORITY, I would support them. But their potrayal of african culture is just primitive. Mankind has moved from the use of smoke or horns as a communication tool to mobile phones, internet,etc. OATH TAKING will only lead to more primitivity. <BR/>My opinion on our kikuyu brothers, HOW I WISH THEY INHABITED A REGION IN THE BORDERS WITH ANOTHER COUNTRY IN AFRICA. BEING MAROONED IN THE CENTRAL OF KENYA HAS NOT HELPED THEM REALISE THAT AS AFRICANS WE ARE ONE. ASK ANY TRIBE - KURIAS ARE MORE IN TZ THAN IN KENYA - THEY KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO LIVE IN HARMONY ACROSS THE BORDERS. ANYHOW, kikuyu leaders have always been against african unity from their actions. KENYATTA DID IT - HE TOLD KWAME NKURUMAH TO KEEP HIS GHANA, WHILE HE MADE HIS COUNTRYMEN SQUATTERS - KENYATTA PREFFERED THE COLONIAL STRUCTURES THAN CREATING AN AFRICAN IDENTITY. HOW CAN KIBAKI UNITE EAST AFRICANS WHEN THEY DONT RESPECT FELLOW KENYANS. DOES HE WANT TO TELL US THAT THEY WILL TRADE WITH THE CHAGGA OR BAGANDA WHEN THEY SEE THEIR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AS PRIMITIVE?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-7656161473484792852008-02-21T00:39:00.000-08:002008-02-21T00:39:00.000-08:00Anon 2:52, There is no scripture that says God hel...Anon 2:52, There is no scripture that says God helps those who help themselves...Unless i missed it so you can plz show me....Coz i am thinking when a thief is stealing isn't he helping himself to something that doesn't not belong to him and will God help him in such a situation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-55142447908724983452008-02-20T16:02:00.000-08:002008-02-20T16:02:00.000-08:00anon@3:31 PMI have to agree that you unfortunately...anon@3:31 PM<BR/>I have to agree that you unfortunately make sense. Maybe more prayer and less hatred. <BR/>But, I feel that the lord has shown us the way and we have to take ourselves there. I just think it is time to clean temple as Christ would do.<BR/>What do I do when my rights are taken away today? I am living today, I have needs today. Yes the truth will come out one day. How could I love if I am being stolen from and discriminated against? What is the use of Kenya if my votes will never count? Why not break up the country? for us disenfranchised Kenyans many questions are in our minds. I admit hateful thoughts too. Is the supporter of my oppressor also my oppressor? could go on forever with the complexity of being Christian and in Kenya with our flawed nation.<BR/> <BR/>But if everybody had your sense... well, no one would still elections or kill someone else.<BR/>Still an e-hug from me. Hope you practice what you preachAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-71827119667936060222008-02-20T15:50:00.000-08:002008-02-20T15:50:00.000-08:00But people can not live with 'mende' in one house!...But people can not live with 'mende' in one house!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-35736590798898365812008-02-20T15:45:00.000-08:002008-02-20T15:45:00.000-08:00those kyuks whining about being called roaches, i ...those kyuks whining about being called roaches, i hope you equally condem your fellow kyuks who call other tribes kihii, dogs, slaves, houseboys, goatherders, etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-54157432312770680392008-02-20T15:31:00.000-08:002008-02-20T15:31:00.000-08:00Anon @ 2:52Thank you for your response. You are a ...Anon @ 2:52<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your response. You are a mature debater. Its a cruel world, but I refer you to Ephesian Chapter 4. When I heard of Christ, I yearned to be made new and to love. Its not bad to be angry, but in your anger do not sin. If you truly believe Kibaki is stole, Please pray for discernment so that whatever justice means you pursue, God will direct your steps. I believe one day the truth will come out. The Lord shall surely deliver us. The best we can do is pray for our brothers here who are full of rage to make wise decisions. We also have a responsibility to remind ourselves that while we were still sinners Christ died for us. At least during the day of judgement we must remember that God spoke to us in one way or the other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-14242319354559506372008-02-20T14:54:00.000-08:002008-02-20T14:54:00.000-08:00anon@2:43 PMI posted the post you refer to. Can yo...anon@2:43 PM<BR/>I posted the post you refer to. Can you do two things;<BR/>1.read the post clearly<BR/>2 and note the dates (2002 not 2007)<BR/>Then you will realize I was saying what you were saying without the screaming capital letters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10734037736708869462008-02-20T14:52:00.000-08:002008-02-20T14:52:00.000-08:00anon@2:28PMIt is me anon@2:06. I think the good Lo...anon@2:28PM<BR/>It is me anon@2:06. I think the good Lord gave us intelligence to use. While we pray we must help ourselves. There is a time for everything. Unfortunately this is time for struggle for an equal nation. But, if we keep quiet we will be straddled on be rode like a poor farmer's donkey for eternity.<BR/>I love the lord for all he has done for me. But,when we say elections were stolen, it is not a judgment it stating a fact. The chairman of ECK himself has admitted to a fraudulent election. So, I should wait for five years and then be exposed to the same? is that being a good christian?<BR/>I could name numerous Christians who have died for political justice in the modern times just as I could name many christians or members of any other religion that are complicit in injustices. Kenyan examples of the latter abound.<BR/><BR/>I think the lord will help me if I help myself. and... the devil will quote scripture for his own ends<BR/><BR/>but, you admit...'Whom I'm I to call Kibaki thief, If I'm not sure whether he stole or not' at least there is the element doubt in you. You soon will be out of the wood and see the truthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36627417700899347012008-02-20T14:43:00.000-08:002008-02-20T14:43:00.000-08:00aLL THE VOTES HE GOT IN NYANZA AND LUHYA LAND HE R...aLL THE VOTES HE GOT IN NYANZA AND LUHYA LAND HE RIGGED!! THERE IS NO WAY WE COULD HAVE EVEN WHEN BLINDED VOTED FOR KIBAKI THE THIEVE!!<BR/>HE RIGGED<BR/>HE RIGGED<BR/>HE RIGGED<BR/>HR RIGGED<BR/>HE RIGGED<BR/><BR/>TO PUT IT BLUNTLY SO THAT YOU DON`T YOUR TIME POSTING YOUR CHEAP NONSENSE HERE!!<BR/><BR/>HE STOLE FROM KENYANS THEIR VOTES AND DEMOCRACY- I HOPE HE GETS A HEART ATTACK WHILE MADAM LUCY IS GIVING THE SLAPS THE OLD UGLY THIEVE!! GPO TELL HIS SON JIMMY KIBAKI AND HIS DAUGHTER JUDY KIBAKI AND HIS GRAND CHILDREN TO COME AND READ THIS KUMEKUCHA BLOG- THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THE ANIMAL THAT CALLS IT SELF A DAD!!!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Anonymous Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> All those folks crying about being hated, consider this point and ask your self why<BR/> 1: In 2002 Kibaki got votes from all all over the country. He got all the votes in Nyanza and Western. He did not get all the votes Central. How come pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-88819930879202403672008-02-20T14:28:00.000-08:002008-02-20T14:28:00.000-08:00Whom I'm I to call Kibaki thief, If I'm not sure w...Whom I'm I to call Kibaki thief, If I'm not sure whether he stole or not. I leave that to God Anon at 2:06. (I shall not judge, lest I be judged harshly) As for the murders, remember I pointed out that if you live by the sword you shall die by it and well as we all know it (God is no respecter of persons, me included) Whether the government killed more or not is none of my business. As I said, it is not for me to judge, I leave that to my Father in Heaven. But one thing remains, a sin is a sin, and as Proverbs 6:16-19 says: <BR/><BR/>16 There are six things the LORD hates, <BR/> seven that are detestable to him:<BR/><BR/> 17 haughty eyes, <BR/> a lying tongue, <BR/> hands that shed innocent blood,<BR/><BR/> 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, <BR/> feet that are quick to rush into evil,<BR/><BR/> 19 a false witness who pours out lies <BR/> and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.<BR/><BR/>Be blessed, and I'm not perfect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80751956428114295272008-02-20T14:06:00.000-08:002008-02-20T14:06:00.000-08:00anon@1:46 PMGet off the high horse. Calling people...anon@1:46 PM<BR/>Get off the high horse. Calling people roaches is wrong. But, the other side has called people from the west names too. <BR/>Furthermore, you mention God and yet fail to condemn theft the reason for the current impasse. <BR/>It is not passion for ODM it is tiredness for being second class citizens.<BR/>Finally, all sides have committed murder and if you do your math, The government side is responsible for most of the killings.<BR/>Pray that you stop being a hypocrite to mention God only when it suits youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23187596971293373672008-02-20T13:46:00.000-08:002008-02-20T13:46:00.000-08:00Goodness me the hate for Kikuyu's has gone so deep...Goodness me the hate for Kikuyu's has gone so deep in this blog, that some bloggers here have the audacity to call them COCKROACHES. If my memory bears me witness, Tutsis were called the same, (Inyenzes) I pity you Kenyans, all the grandstanding and war cries being released here is unfortunate. You've had peace for so long that you shamelessly flirt with war. Don't you understand that there is no winner in any war. If your passion for ODM can make you want to slaughter your brothers and sisters, then you are not a true supporter of your party. But then again I ask, what is this ideology that makes you so susceptible to the Devil's machinations. Remember the Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood, and if you are ready to live by the sword, be ready to die by it. As the Lord says vengeance is His. Just pray for breakthrough in the Annan talks. Ask the Lord Almighty to order the steps of those in that team as they have a momentous task, and remember do not judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23307612554903171282008-02-20T12:45:00.000-08:002008-02-20T12:45:00.000-08:00Chris: Your blog a year ago did not have all the h...Chris: Your blog a year ago did not have all the hate that it has inherited from Mashada. You can go back to moderation before it escalates further. We dont mind logical arguments but some of the ideas and opinions posted here, leave a lot to be desired. <BR/><BR/>Now to my 2cents.<BR/><BR/>Annan and his crew are working on resolving the current issue but kama kawaida ya waKenya, we are too impatient to get the results. <BR/><BR/>There is a reason why Kibz and Raila are fighting politically and that's why they have reps on both sides at the table talking. Those reps represent the whole country for you and my and that of our kids. It's not an easy fix and thats why they have to iron out some finer details so that in future the playing field is level. Remember Raila and Kibz already know that their will be a coalition but their reps are trying to figure out who will hold the executive power. Kibz filled half of the cabinet with PNU and ODM-K folks and the rest will probably be filled by ODM so he didnt just outright ignore them. He knew what he was doing and we all need to take a chill pill and let akina Orengo, Sally Kosgei, Mutula and Karua do their thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-74530049956665763662008-02-20T12:18:00.000-08:002008-02-20T12:18:00.000-08:00Fave is humiliated by the comment! Indeed hurt and...Fave is humiliated by the comment! Indeed hurt and perplexed.<BR/>Fave apologizes on behalf of all pro-devolution individuals.<BR/>Kikuyus are not roaches! no one is. They are humans, africans, our collegues, wives, husbands, inlaws. and Not roaches and if anyone can talk to a roach then that person is a roach. It takes one to know another. I hope my views are universal<BR/>I, like other Kumekuchans suffer from extreme embarrassment at comment from what can only be from the lunatic fringe of thought.<BR/>Justice for all. Thanks for pointing that out. Moderator now if you could please remove the postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-4359742212231539692008-02-20T12:11:00.000-08:002008-02-20T12:11:00.000-08:00anon 11:29.Lets not discuss semantics,But, On beha...anon 11:29.<BR/>Lets not discuss semantics,<BR/>But, On behalf of secessionists everywhere I apologize .<BR/><BR/>Secessionists will once more at the risk of sounding redundant, again apologize however misunderstood the post was.<BR/>No one is a roachAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-82248898253782170962008-02-20T12:09:00.000-08:002008-02-20T12:09:00.000-08:00It says it there, Kibaki has reduced Kikuyu;s to c...It says it there, Kibaki has reduced Kikuyu;s to cockroaches, now we are the lowest form of the animal kingdom. Defending my country has been my prime objective but thanks to some of the things that people have been saying over the last 8 months on blogs, you start to wonder whether you can be proud of a state so bitter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-37506213049221314002008-02-20T12:07:00.000-08:002008-02-20T12:07:00.000-08:00hey, i simply pointed out the cockroach thing....i...hey, i simply pointed out the cockroach thing....<BR/><BR/>i am not pnu am very odm!! but i dont want people called cockroaches it has bad memories!!<BR/><BR/>did you see 8.40?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-42932172872736802672008-02-20T12:03:00.000-08:002008-02-20T12:03:00.000-08:00fave ...anon 8.40 said kikuyus have been reduced t...fave ...anon 8.40 said kikuyus have been reduced to cockroaches by kibaki!<BR/><BR/>its unsettling!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-391710529443792562008-02-20T12:01:00.000-08:002008-02-20T12:01:00.000-08:00anon@11:55 AM,I only bothered at the insult becaus...anon@11:55 AM,<BR/>I only bothered at the insult because , I feel it was an empty claim. I might, have missed it but I do not see any post calling any one roaches here. It is meant to change the course of the blog.<BR/><BR/>I think it is a PNU tactic, if you criticize anything you are either shot,or labeled as a genocidal maniac. It makes moderates like me fear to comment because nothing of the sort has been said.<BR/><BR/>If no one called another a roach then that is PNUism raising its lying, stealing undignified head again. If not I will apologize on behalf of other secessionists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-33034186859200681402008-02-20T11:59:00.000-08:002008-02-20T11:59:00.000-08:00anon@11.50 it is anon@8.40anon@11.50 it is anon@8.40Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-62194562803783873542008-02-20T11:55:00.000-08:002008-02-20T11:55:00.000-08:00anon 11:50, don't bother, insults are in plenty, j...anon 11:50, don't bother, insults are in plenty, just ignore and post meaningful suggestions. people are getting really angry and annoying everybody elseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com