tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post6608271180068900828..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Mere Coincidence Or Careful Deliberate Tribal Appointments By Kibaki?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-71042130933457408872007-03-28T04:54:00.000-07:002007-03-28T04:54:00.000-07:00I don't mind it when you cite instances from Gover...I don't mind it when you cite instances from Government ministries and parastatals. However, it is incorrect to try and associate the leadership of private companies with Kibaki's leadership. Yes, there may be some deals at country golf clubs but that's open to all.<BR/><BR/>Let's focus on public offices and not forage elsewhere for evidence to support an iffy claim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-70628000212989823192007-03-27T22:44:00.000-07:002007-03-27T22:44:00.000-07:00Give us a break Kenya77! Nobody accused Kibaki of ...Give us a break Kenya77! Nobody accused Kibaki of making public appointments favouring kikuyus 100%.<BR/><BR/>Why have you conveniently forgot to list the posts that your tribesmen hold so we can make a fair comparison? I have seen this list elsewhere on the net where it suspected to have been planted there by NARK K minders, and it is obviously a "copy and paste" to Kumekucha.<BR/><BR/>Since Kibaki took over government can you please confirm if key ministries (Finance, Defence, Constitutional Affairs, Internal Security) have been held by anyone outside the GEMA communities, yet there have been numerous cabinet reshuffles?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-46765169997387844262007-03-27T14:37:00.000-07:002007-03-27T14:37:00.000-07:00Tribal politics are deeply rooted in Kenya and Kib...Tribal politics are deeply rooted in Kenya and Kibaki is doing what all other leaders out there will do if they had a chance. What need to be done is get someone who is above tribal politics and as Kenyans we should stop listening to politicians who publicly or privately seek to be the sole tribal chiefs and on their campaign they keep talking of the way a tribe should vote as a block. <BR/><BR/>Also, one thing that should be clear is that Kibaki appoints friends of friends and his circle has lots of GEMA members,but i agree with you Kenya77...our blindness and dumbness does not allow us to see beyond Presidents tribe.kenyaonlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00851038392704474718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-61571811790713222202007-03-27T13:36:00.000-07:002007-03-27T13:36:00.000-07:00There you go Chris! Your cover has been blown. I o...There you go Chris! Your cover has been blown. I once regarded you as a sensible person and one who would not allow himself to be used to channel tribal bigotry, but clearly I was wrong. If you call yourself a born-again Christian (I may be wrong) you should be able to understand how God works. It was God's will that Moi rule Kenya for 24 years, that is why opposition tried and failed, why? simply because in God's eyes Kenya was not ready for anybody else. The same with Kenyatta. So when God said Kibaki tosha well we had no choice but to accept His divine will. Come December, it may be Kibaki or somebody else. It all fits in his divine ultimate purpose, and there is nothing any of us can do, including you. His will will prevail at least for those who trust in Him. Let those who have ears hear!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-44613451540432896372007-03-27T13:17:00.000-07:002007-03-27T13:17:00.000-07:00Very comprehensive list Mr. Kenya77 (aka Gazette) ...Very comprehensive list Mr. Kenya77 (aka Gazette) save for the fact that the sight gets intimidated after afew lines. Point taken but is the problem solved or put differently don't we need to do something if there is a problem? <BR/><BR/>You have fed Chris with more than he can chew leave alone swallow. But he asked for it. What a textbook of all Kenyans against....Well done brother, it must have been such a painful task on your tender shoulders.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-7999353626302407742007-03-27T12:21:00.000-07:002007-03-27T12:21:00.000-07:00This is commendable. Next time mr. kenya77 come wi...This is commendable. Next time mr. kenya77 come with both lists and then we compare. Mr. Taabu we are tired of reading all that gibberish u come up with. Using big words doesnt necessarily convey messages equally big. U need to communicate and stop hiding under all that pomposity. What exactly is your point? I bet u wud even find your very own post confusing and ver lacking in any tangible meaningAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-51647410104306050182007-03-27T10:01:00.000-07:002007-03-27T10:01:00.000-07:00Tribalism, initiatted by Mzeee Jomo Kenyatta's fir...Tribalism, initiatted by Mzeee Jomo Kenyatta's first cabinet (they you to speak in one language and another one translates to the others), protected by Moi and Kibakia as his vice-president and now perfected by Kibaki in his capacity as president.<BR/>Kiukyu, Kikuyu, and Kikuyu. Mungiki is Kikuyu, leader arrested by Somali Police Commish, crime low. Kikuyu. Banks robbed. Now the banks are making mobey. Previously not. Kikuyu Chukua Bure (KCB) then Kalenjin Cash Box (KCB) and National bank getting better (Who was there Githunguri) Yes, River Chania!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-935441308835994222007-03-27T09:12:00.000-07:002007-03-27T09:12:00.000-07:00Well said and commented my countrymen (any ladies ...Well said and commented my countrymen (any ladies if they are there). Tribalism still remains the singular malady whose nasty consequences continue to eat into both our conscience and moral fabric.<BR/><BR/>There is no justification to vilify Kibaki nor proctect him provided we understand the generation and school of thought he was weaned on. It's total waste of breathe and I would humbly suggest to you Kenyans with a future to look upto to tackle the root cause of this cancer. I am not naive to its prevelence and I know it will take ages to correct but we would be dancing ourselves lame before scoundrels for politicians who sold our soul for cheap populism and expediency.<BR/><BR/>It is the height of utter insensitivity to brand dimwits professors of politics just because they cause so much bloodshed. On the same vein, what is this madness to jump to the defence of academic dinosaurs whose economic models can't be programmed i any known language?<BR/><BR/>Spare us the balderdash please and lest seize the opportunity slipping bettwen our fingers to address TRIBALISM. I speak my mother tongue with pride, but the identity end there and I wouldn't care a hoot if the language belonged to the apes.<BR/><BR/>We are all born equal and any sense tribal superiority is not only a farce but living a lie at best. <BR/><BR/>True, Kikuyus constitute more than 1 fifth of Kenyans. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see the disparity. Stop insulting the collective intelligence of Kenyans. We know negative 'sms, when see one and amount of unsolicited level 100 series of lectures will wash. <BR/><BR/>Granted, even in a cosmopilitant morgue you are more likely to find more Kuks than Digos but management of public affairs doesn't take such a simplistic version of reasoning. Kenya belongs to all of us and anybody indulging in self-deception that they belong more than others are busy erecting castles on quicksand.<BR/><BR/>You don't need to be psychic to decode the arrogance and loaded ignorance lurking behind every comment that pretends to exorcise and rationalize the tribal devil.<BR/><BR/>We are simply, convinently and unwittingly packaging stereotypes with lofty but empty phrases. Ours is a superlative act of intellectual dishonesty. An argument takes a typical Kenyans turn when you start seeing magnified side shows being prominently elevated to the VIP table of ideas. We can conitinue bandying all the existing tired catch words while we conviniently let the tribal virus mutate withing at our collective peril.<BR/><BR/>Kibaki is Kenya's president and you can't pocket him unless you entertain the self-deception of 'ni wetu' ilk. Being a public figure, he can't afford to avoid visitation by flies patronzing the beautiful road he strolling on. <BR/><BR/>Trivializing and tribalizing weighty matters takes the wind off our moral saild and we become no better than the pilloried scoundrels we pass as polticians. No amount of peddling of street wisdom will rescue us from this hole unless we have an honest hard look at ourseleves and work together towards reclaiming out nationhood and motherland.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-71578633774629706292007-03-27T08:01:00.000-07:002007-03-27T08:01:00.000-07:00I have all along been anti kibaki. I still am. My ...I have all along been anti kibaki. I still am. My support in the coming elections will go to Kalonzo or Uhuru (In order of preference). I have been complaining to my friends when we go pinting of how tribal Kibaki is since 2003. Amazingly even his most ardent supporters seem to concur with me.<BR/>However,of late I have come to look at it through another angle. I went to a Kalonzo rally in Kitui (My fren works for KTN and he asked me to accompany him). In that rally,Kiema Kilonzo read a long list of the senior posts held by the "kikuyus" in the ministries of energy and Education. HE would just read a name and the crowd faithfully respond with the word kikuyu. This was when I started think about it seriously.<BR/>First of all,there are enough presidential and ministerial appointments to form the basis of this discussion. Let us not try to get into private businesses and infer how tribal kibaki is based on who works for those private businesses.<BR/>Secondly while I hold no brief for kibaki or for any kikuyu for that matter,I think we have been extremely unfair to them. If Kibaki appointed Joe donde CBK gorvernor,we would not be discussing how tribal he is but how he is out to cut Raila to size. I mean are we saying that no kikuyu should be CBK gorvernor just because the president is kikuyu? While I acknowledge that Andrew Mullei was not driven out of office in the most enviable way and considering the minister was kikuyu and the rivalry at the time between Kalonzo and Kibaki,it is unfair to imagine that whenever a coastal or a kamba is fired they shoild be replaced with one of their own. <BR/>Just like Kiema's list, Chris' list falls short of telling us how many luos work in the ministry of energy or how many kambas work in the ministry of health or as attaches in various kenyan embassies all over the world.<BR/>In my opinion, Kibaki just like all other kenyan leaders is tribalist. BUT damn not in the proportions being circulated by the opposition. We call the meru, the embu people and the mbeere kikuyus to swell our numbers and give credibility to the salvos we are throwing to this gorvernment. Kikuyus for heavens sake account for 23 % of the population. When we add the meru,mbeere and embu the proportion comes to 33 %. Just as Chris talks about "The expansive Mt Kenya region" it is very very important to factor in the size of the tribe any time we are comparing how many kikuyus are working where with any other tribe. WE dont expect there to be only one kikuyu assistant minister but we appreciate the fact that we have an assistant minister from the kuria community. AS much as appointments should be all inclusive, they should also be proportionally representative. I think the GEMA people are entitled to 33% of all appointments just as the kambas are entitled to 12% of the appointments. In that breadth we should have one kamba working for the goverment for every three GEMA people. WE should have two luos for every 5 GEMA people and so on.<BR/>Guys what I am saying may not be the biblical truth and I am not foolish enough to imagine that the appointments so far have been reflecting the demographic complexities and proportions but i think it is paramount that we correct the insinuation that we should have the same number of kikuyus and luos working for the government. WE should demand that whatever appointments are made reflect the population of every tribe and most importantly those appointd to those positions should have impecable credentials. WE should not have Joe WAnjui as chancellor of the University of Nairobi. Critics ill say that he is not there to teach but for heavens sake this is an educational institution and should be headed by the likes of Yash PAl Ghai.<BR/>Chris you should be in the front line telling people not to link every appointment to the coming elections. And u said Moi owns the standad. While I do not have enough facts to dispute that, in my most humble opinion The stanmdard is more user friendly to Raila as opposed to Kibaki. I think The standard favours Raila and so I do not see how the Moi/Kibaki axis stands to benefit from their "coverage". But guys remember I have been wrong before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10704281650789562442007-03-27T07:39:00.000-07:002007-03-27T07:39:00.000-07:00Again, there is a tinge of bias and spin in the re...Again, there is a tinge of bias and spin in the reposted email above. <B>Royal Media, KamemeFM and CapitalFM are private entities which existed before Kibaki came to power</B>. Kibaki has no control over appointments in those companies. Just because they happen to be owned by kikuyu business persons does not make them pro-kibaki. <BR/><BR/><B>Please do not allow this blog to be a dumping ground for kikuyu hate mail.</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com