tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post6237660549024807233..comments2024-03-24T12:17:00.460-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Who Really Reads Kumekucha?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-89568935715162434912008-05-31T20:39:00.000-07:002008-05-31T20:39:00.000-07:00reading the discourse on this site amuses and yet ...reading the discourse on this site amuses and yet scares me at the same time. it is very easy to fall into the trap of blaming certain tribes for the ills of an entire country instead of looking towards the political class and the alleged leaders in this country and ask them what the hell they are doing to better us as a whole. not certain tribes, not certain areas, but all of us. after all, no man is an island after all and all that.<BR/><BR/>its time to realise that we have been duped. instead of looking at the political class as divided into odm and pnu we need to look at them as a monolith who will stop at nothing to get into power and stay there. as soon as kibaki and co announced themselves the winner and odm joined the coalition it has become more about paychecks and fancy cars and less about development and how to get the country out of a slump. kenya can have 40+ ministers who can write the best policies out there but anyone with half a brain can tell you that if there is no money to implement these things then we are right where we started - bloated government more concerned with arguing semantics than what is really going on.<BR/><BR/>so, as we sit here discussing which tribe is evil, which tribe is prone to flashiness, which tribe is more likely to slurp its porridge in a certain way (that obviously is bad for kenya) the political class is cashing their paychecks. money that kenyans pay as taxes and that we beg from foreign countries is used to assuage egos and further political careers as we struggle to feed our families. as other commenters have said, most politicians have moved on and we the citizenry are left to argue amongst ourselves about which tribe is to blame instead of focusing on the old men and women determined to have power at whatever cost.<BR/><BR/>i only wish that the amount of time we spent spewing forth tribal stereotypes and rumours was chanelled towards holding those we voted for accountable for their promises, as we sit here seriously (?) debating whether or not a certain tribe can read and other assorted assumptions kenya does not progress. we are stuck in the same rut that our politicians threw us in of pointing the finger at fellow wanainchi instead of at the waheshimiwa (odm pnu independent, whatever) who as far as i am concerned only think of number 1.<BR/><BR/>i am assuming that all people on this comment board debating and hashing out imaginary controversies and issues have some level of life experience and education. how can we this forget to see that when it comes to the political class, its the same crook different coat? really, peoples who's political affiliations change as often as the tide are not to be trusted irregardless of whatever tribe they are from.<BR/><BR/>i hope more from kenyans actively involved in taking charge of the future of the country. then again, i am exposed to both sides who feel that making gross generalisations is preferable to realising that the ruling class is far removed from the ordinary kenyan. i wonder how long it will take for the disillusioned to come t their senses and realise what we need is a totally new type of leadership in kenya along with a changed attitude from those doing the voting.<BR/><BR/>then again, maybe, then i want too much from my brethren. i will sit back and get both amused and appalled at the discourse going on that has nothing to do with the real issues and everything to do with innuendo, gossip and stereotypes. long live kenya.<BR/><BR/>mariaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-31007338237224394302008-05-31T15:54:00.000-07:002008-05-31T15:54:00.000-07:00GEMA REVIVED. Kenyans have a reason to get scared....GEMA REVIVED. Kenyans have a reason to get scared. These people are planning to buy your land or take it by force.<BR/><BR/>Kibaki will go for a third term and he will get it, thanks the funds GEMA will pump in. Which law will he obey? All he needs is GSU, VoK, money and money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-5758700781981917582008-05-31T12:59:00.000-07:002008-05-31T12:59:00.000-07:00Deroo 9:37i've followed your contributions here an...Deroo 9:37<BR/><BR/>i've followed your contributions here and find them factual but you are forever at loggerheads with ODM supporters due to a patronizing/aggressive attitude typically found in PNU supporters.<BR/><BR/>PNu supporters almost all to the last man, have a condescending attitude and are here and in any other forum to "disseminate profound words of wisdom" <BR/><BR/>take Kwale's statement which almost implies that before an ODMer "rises to a certain level" they have to read, what kwale must have found inspiring. get real folks, no-one has a monopoly of knowledge and the solutions we are seeking have troubled mankind for centuries. these so called morsels of intelligence or wisdom are not only misplaced but in bad light and will keep us cycling here on the same spot for many more years to come.<BR/><BR/>and anon 9:51, you just proved chris right that there are some people who cannot read/understand the entire context. no-one wants to take away kikuyu business, private enterprise is private, its public service and administration we are concerned about. the problem is that there an increasingly significant number of people that cannot differentiate these entities because the leaders have thoroughly corrupted the systems for personal (cronies, tribesmen, etc) gain<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-49258068780636592592008-05-31T12:09:00.000-07:002008-05-31T12:09:00.000-07:00Title deed fraud should be probed Published on May...Title deed fraud should be probed <BR/><BR/>Published on May 31, 2008, 12:00 am <BR/><BR/><BR/>The story of a widow, 78, left homeless after a relative sold her land in Mathira, Nyeri, is sad.<BR/><BR/>The grandmother’s plight is just a tip of the iceberg. Many other gullible Kenyans continue to be disinherited by their relatives in collusion with Lands ministry and provincial administration officers. A while back, the ministry introduced a petty rule, "Name correction". This gave leeway to rogue relatives, unethical Lands officials and chiefs to alter names on title deeds. <BR/><BR/>The fraudsters usually take the form to the lands office where the application for the "name correction" is gazetted. Any interested party is supposed to raise objection within three months. Unfortunately, some of those who can object to the name change are illiterate or minors. At the expiry of the gazette notice, the ministry approves the name correction. Such fraud mostly happens when a husband or father dies without leaving behind a will. The fraud has increased family fights and even murders. <BR/><BR/>The Government should set up an inquiry into all land titles where names have been corrected. Those found guilty should be held accountable. <BR/><BR/>Aggrey Kulali,<BR/><BR/>Emuhaya.<BR/><BR/><BR/>THIS IS KENYA. THIS IS CENTRAL, THIS IS THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE THE BLOGGERS HAVE OVER AND OVER AGAIN REPEATED.<BR/><BR/>I BET WITH YOU THE CULPRITS WILL GO SCOTT FREE. IMPUNITY IS KENYA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-85070368901979370702008-05-31T11:28:00.000-07:002008-05-31T11:28:00.000-07:00Chrisare you ok , its been three days no post .We ...Chris<BR/>are you ok , its been three days no post .We are worried please say something even if its here on the comments section.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-78844136895890881872008-05-31T11:20:00.000-07:002008-05-31T11:20:00.000-07:00Anon 9.30, I think Kwale was giving a general over...Anon 9.30, I think Kwale was giving a general overview of black people. And it’s very true, go to USA or street of Britain today; crimes of blacks on blacks are amongst the highest. Look what has been happening in South Africa lately, blacks chasing other blacks because they think they have taken over their country. Go to the streets of Sao Palo in Brazil, the murder rate in black neighborhood his the highest in the world.<BR/>Something is wrong with the black race and it’s not until we realize it, will continue to blame others and never move forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-60391028029277296762008-05-31T11:05:00.000-07:002008-05-31T11:05:00.000-07:00Ritch, Controversy SELLS. If you are to buy a news...Ritch, <BR/><BR/>Controversy SELLS. If you are to buy a newspaper and it reads KIBAKI ATTENDS WEDDING and another paper has...RAILA CRUSHES COALITION DEAL. Which one will you go for???<BR/><BR/>I will not read a story that says "...ni adui yetu..."<BR/><BR/>-Derek-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-83272101767804945102008-05-31T10:59:00.000-07:002008-05-31T10:59:00.000-07:00Chris, you once told me that controversy is the he...Chris, you once told me that controversy is the heart of journalism. That's how I take your post.ritchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16932701588856946471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-18544722323258688342008-05-31T10:58:00.000-07:002008-05-31T10:58:00.000-07:00You know, if Karen Blixen, the famous Danish write...You know, if Karen Blixen, the famous Danish writer and the former resident of Karen Estate in Nairobi was to come back to life, she would be very disappointed by the way you attack ‘her kikuyus’. This aristocratic Danish woman fought tirelessly for ‘her Kikuyus’ squatters to be relocated to ‘somewhere they can call theirs’. And the colonial Govt heeded to her plea, which resulted in many Kikuyus being resettled in Dagorreti and in Waithaka while others were resettled in the RV.<BR/>Even after leaving Kenya in 1931, she continued to write poignantly about ‘her Kikuyus’ and many people around the world knows about Kikuyus after her life was immortalized by the Oscar winning film “Out of Africa”.<BR/>Please the Karen rest in peace by stopping attacks on her beloved Kikuyus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-35444725827137141122008-05-31T10:27:00.000-07:002008-05-31T10:27:00.000-07:00What are you afraid of? Don't you believe Raila wh...What are you afraid of? Don't you believe Raila who promised you a better Kenya, one in which everybody can live in fairness and peace? Have the courage to believe him - it is worth it or better, Raila deserves to be trusted. Only if and when you trust him and take him by his words, Kenya as a whole can survive.<BR/><BR/>8:35 AM<BR/><BR/>@anon 8:35<BR/>I dont know how old you are, but I sense that you are clever, well educated but young and naive.<BR/><BR/>The history of our country is not so clean, the way you have put it.<BR/><BR/>Kenyatta did sad things to the Luos. Many Kenyans are just realising now how Kikuyus also suffered under him. They were thrown out of their mother land, which the white man had stolen. Kenyatta stole the land for the second time.<BR/><BR/>Then came Moi, who declared and indeed practised the bad act of Kenyatta politics: Fuata Nyayo! It is again the Luos who said No to this rubbish. A few Kikuyus joined them but just to protect their riches (as we have now learnt- Kiraitu the clean ruler who ended up raping a willing woman).<BR/><BR/>Then came Kibaki, whom all Kenyans(except Kikuyus) trusted to change Kenya. Gema wanted Uhuru, mind you. Kibaki soon turned to bad leadership of his predecessors (we are unbwogable, everyth is possible without Moi were bygones to him). Anglo-Leasing, Artur Bro saga, etc, Goldenberg revisited his senior miniters. He did nothing. Commissions followed commissions.<BR/><BR/>Then came the gen elections. All Kenyans wanted a change and elected ODM with its leader Raila to take over. Kibaki started the first post-election violence by hitting and chasing all journalists, ODM leaders and internat observers from KICC. He then declared himself the winner Mobutu style.<BR/><BR/>All Kenyans went crazy, except (Kikuyus and a few Kambas). Even otherwise moderate Kales could not take it and sought to violence. The Luos known for their anti-gov habbits were sent GSU to calm them, just as Kenyatta and Moi had done years ago.<BR/><BR/>Now country mate, do you want us to cheer Kibaki and let him further practise his dirty game ?<BR/><BR/>I'm convinced that Kibaki will seek a 3rd term, just like his Ugandan friend.<BR/><BR/>Many people from Nyanza, RV, Western, Nbi and Coast have been let down for too long and want Democracy now. Even if it is Raila or Ruto who will be involved in a scandal, I assure you that they will be kicked out by these sensitive voters.<BR/><BR/>My hope is that the Central People will wake up one day and differentiate between light and darkness. In my eyes they are still deep a sleep, when even Kales have realized that good governship is healthy for a country as a whole (they kicked the ass of all Moi sons).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-44234455113609480262008-05-31T09:51:00.000-07:002008-05-31T09:51:00.000-07:00Anon 9:03 AM - why should the successful Kikuyus p...Anon 9:03 AM - why should the successful Kikuyus pass their businesses to the others - if they are so much more clever as you claim, why then don't they start their own businesses or better why did they not do it in the past? What is this crying all about now?<BR/><BR/>Is it nost just the fact that you have realized that you will never make it and that others have been more clever? And being clever and businessminded is not 'owned' by the Kikuyus. There are many others coming from various tribes. All of them had ideas and worked hard to realize their dreams and at the end their dreams had become reality.<BR/><BR/>And that's what I fear is missing in most of you:<BR/><BR/>Having dreams is not enough - having ideas is not enough. What is important is the urge and drive to make things happen and to work hard to win the fight. <BR/><BR/>I repeat, everybody can make it. But it is easier to envy than to fight - so much easier. But don't blame your parents and your tribal background - blame yourself and nobody else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-58671767184929494502008-05-31T09:37:00.000-07:002008-05-31T09:37:00.000-07:00Anon, Credit where it is due, the UNDP HQs was don...Anon, <BR/><BR/>Credit where it is due, the UNDP HQs was done under a committee that was headed by Joab Henry Onyango Omino. He was actually handpicked in that committee by none other than Mzee Jomo Kenyatta. One, his father, was in the frontline in the independence struggle. Two, he was one of the most eloquent civil servants serving at that time. There is a rumour (it might be true) that when Joab came back from the UK where he visited on a government of UK Scholarship (he passed with flying colours-this is one record), he dad appraoched Kenyatta and asked him why his son cannot be given a good job. <BR/><BR/>Omino aside, other people have performed better than Kikuyus in Kenya, but the founding cabinet of Kenya entangled us in the mess that we find ourselves in. <BR/><BR/>Serving in half the cabinet posts on offer, they flooded the civil service and it has ended up 'monarchisised'. take it this way, until Moi brought his ilk, it was easy for a retiring Kikuyu civil servant to have his son or daughter employed in his place.<BR/><BR/>This, part of the historical injustices meant that for the next 50 years, starting today, Kikuyu will have the hegemonic power in civil service.<BR/><BR/>And look at the plum positions. The next Ndiriri is a Kamau, the next police commissioner by seniority is always a Kikuyu (unless Kibaki brings in ALI), the next solicitor general/AG is a kikuyu and the next deputy to a deputy in the government.<BR/><BR/>Wonder why there are so many people at the Lands ministry from one tribe, why ministry of finance has more Kikuyus? the answer is since independence, there has been a high and significant presence of the tribe in postiions of power (PS, Minister or CBK).<BR/><BR/>They work hard, milk alot of cows, sell flowers, utilise land properly, yes, but the proponents of the HISTORICAL JUSTICES will tell you that they were positioned in plum areas by none other than JOHNSTONE KAMAU NGENGI. Not luck but through 'I have slaughtered a cow, lets have a party. Kuja na kisu yako na kikapu ya kubebea, hapana tumbo peke yake'!<BR/><BR/>-Derek-deroohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968699916143647335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-25803055887386172972008-05-31T09:10:00.000-07:002008-05-31T09:10:00.000-07:00Kwale,I dont envy the bros and sis from Central. T...Kwale,<BR/><BR/>I dont envy the bros and sis from Central. These people are in a serious mess.<BR/><BR/>They dont own land, they dont feel secure in Muranga, Kerugoya, Nyeri, Kikuyu, etc because of the numerous thugs.<BR/><BR/>When I was at Kapsabet High, I could enjoy the place until midnight. At Njiris, they told me: enjoy until 4 pm otherwise you are a dead man.<BR/><BR/>Why is it safe to walk around at Kapsabet, Kisii, Siaya, Kakamega, Kitale, Homabay, Mbsa, Malindi, Voi UNTIL MIDNITE but not at Nyeri, Kiambu, Karatina, etc? Why? It is safe to walk at nite in the BRONX than dare to walk in Muranga at 4 pm, even if you are a Kikuyu.<BR/><BR/>Do you call that civilization? Do you enjoy life under such conditions.<BR/><BR/>IS THIS NOT WHY YOU WANT TO RELOCATE TO KSM, ELDO, MALINDI, BUSIA, MBALE, HOMABAY, KEROKA?<BR/><BR/>What we are saying here is not tribalism, we are just pinpointing the bad behaviour you are trying to export everywhere in Kenya.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-74351953451551978122008-05-31T09:03:00.000-07:002008-05-31T09:03:00.000-07:00anon 8:35 i will not sya that i agree or diasgree ...anon 8:35 i will not sya that i agree or diasgree with your wild allegations but my question is why then are these kikuyus so reluctant to let someone with better vision remove us from the kikuyu based mediocrity of kiosk ownership mentality to industrialised nation. why wouldnt they just agree that there could be others even more gifted as it were. whats the problem bro/sisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-56148776351277134622008-05-31T08:35:00.000-07:002008-05-31T08:35:00.000-07:00To Anon 5:36 AM - Kenya owes everything it is righ...To Anon 5:36 AM - Kenya owes everything it is right now or better was until now to the hard work of mainly Kikuyus who had the vision of building up the tourist industry as well as the industrial areas attracting local and foreign investors - it is thanks to somebody like Dr. Njoroge Mungai who had the vision to attract the UNDP and UNEP Headquarters to Nairobi against many hindrances from other countries - it is thanks to many businessmen and also businesswomen (Kikuyu women are known to have the same sense for business than their male counterparts - just ask Evelyn Mungai, Rose Waruhiu and others) that Kenya florished and most important that Kenya had the reputation of being a rich and stable country. <BR/><BR/>I do not underestimate the contribution others have made to reach this and here I especially refer to the Luos whose intelligence and teaching skills have contributed in a different way but both groups formed a strong bond to build a Nation called Kenya.<BR/><BR/>Why did and still do certain groups now put all this in doubt? Or is it just this blog which continues to thrive on the tribal differences built up during the last months by certain politicians who had their own selfish reasons at that time - but who - contrary to certain contributors to this blog - have since moved on and left all this nonsense behind.<BR/><BR/>Don't you understand that all of you have been used? And if you have some sense left, start thinking beyond all this rubbish of which tribe is the most clever, the most intelligent - or to go with some really stupid comments: which tribe is the most corrupt and ruthless.<BR/><BR/>Because the truth is, all of your have participated, all of you have their share in this. Just be honest: Did you never pay or better: did you never receive bribes for whatever reasons? <BR/><BR/>Why did you never complain in the past? Why all of the sudden it is such an important issue for some of you? Did you ever hear any of your politicians complain about it - not once did they protest especially not because they were the main recipiants of this and the money in their bank accounts does not 'stink' no matter from which source it was coming (Kikuyu, Luo, Luhya, Kalenjin, Kisii etc etc.) - money never stinks as we say.<BR/><BR/>So why don't you move on - get back your life whereever you are or better: try to make your and other people's life a better one.<BR/><BR/>If this is the lesson learned out of all this, then it was worth it. But the time has come to stop whining.<BR/><BR/>Just look at Raila. He has left all of you behind and enjoys his new life and so do all the others.<BR/>I sometimes have the feeling that it is the goal of this blog to keep the fire burning although the ashes have gone cold some weeks ago. All other Kenyan bloggers have started to see the light at the end of the tunnel, even better have gone into the light of a new Kenya - whereas most of the people visiting this blog are still stucked in the midst of the the darkest part of the tunnel afraid to move on and into the light.<BR/><BR/>What are you afraid of? Don't you believe Raila who promised you a better Kenya, one in which everybody can live in fairness and peace? Have the courage to believe him - it is worth it or better, Raila deserves to be trusted. Only if and when you trust him and take him by his words, Kenya as a whole can survive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-44752709412866063472008-05-31T07:43:00.000-07:002008-05-31T07:43:00.000-07:00Its looks to me that majority of you complaining a...Its looks to me that majority of you complaining about one tribe suffers from acute low esteem and inferiority complex.<BR/>I suggest to you all, read the book called “What is wrong with being black” book written by an African man and endorsed by former Nigeria president Olusegun Obasanjo and Rev TD Jakes.<BR/>This book provides an in-depth exposition of the so-called pathologies and conformations that afflict the present generation of black people around the world. It also provides some solutions and a lot of hope for the future. <BR/><BR/>In this book, you will learn why Black people envy each other, why Africa despite being the most richest continent, people are the poorest of the poor and why African tribalism is still rife in Africa today.<BR/>In the summary of the book, the writer states black people are cursed coz of ancestral idolatry, African witchcraft, slavery, colonialism and our fractious nature are resultant factors of the curse. <BR/>Expect a lot of preaching within, as the writer is a church minister.<BR/><BR/>Read it and you will never be the same again, in fact you will begin to celebrate whenever you hear success of your fellow Kenyan regardless of their tribe or political affiliation.Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-32807581697268095122008-05-31T06:31:00.000-07:002008-05-31T06:31:00.000-07:00I s nothing else to talk about, nothing else to re...I s nothing else to talk about, nothing else to report than to discuss who is reading and who is commenting to this blog. I am missing the old Kumekucha reporting and creating discussions - sometimes fruitful, sometimes just nuisance ones - but always interesting and always attracting the attention of many. But since some time now we have to wait. Posts are staying here for days and people are becoming tired logging in here and still finding the same outdated posts.<BR/><BR/>I understand that Chris has left Kenya. But did he not also promise to keep us informed and updated as before here on Kumekucha?<BR/><BR/>Or is this new Kararani-outlet which he is advertising here since some time now, his new venture for which he left Kenya trying to find a new life in the West?<BR/><BR/>I think it is time to tell us the truth and not continue hiding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-21864257400113265342008-05-31T05:37:00.000-07:002008-05-31T05:37:00.000-07:00Kimi,Thanx for those comments and I will absolutel...Kimi,<BR/><BR/>Thanx for those comments and I will absolutely allow for a bit of reasoning on this.<BR/><BR/>I am sure that I have taken the flak not for my reasoning, but for a simple reason that I condemn a section of the polity in our country.<BR/><BR/>I do not hate any of the ODM politicians, their campaign machinery or the citizenry of my country.<BR/><BR/>Kimi, as a forum that enhances community cohesion, political deliberation and participation, I have found KUMEKUCHA to form that VOID that has existed since the concept of democracy and the PUBLIC SPHERE that allows for such kind of democracy. That is e-democracy.<BR/><BR/>While kenyaimagine has its strong points that are incomparable at times, I believe that the citizen mobilisation on this blog can also be improved and serve as a forum to promote political participation outside the formal elections. (I have a few friends who blog there and once in a while I visit).<BR/><BR/>In my humble words to those who have made this blog a pig-sty by posting skewed tribally-engineered posts should note that it is all about policy deliberation, collaborative information sharing, social capital, and plugging civil societal networks into the established representative processes at the local and national levels. Simple!<BR/><BR/>It is not about the KIKUYU THIEVES, MT KENYA, LESOTHO, CENTRAL LESOTHO, GEMA and NAME-CALLING, it is all about changing the shape of the institutional processes that are central to the political system; political parties, and even sadly noted, election campaigns and political process (not calling for the killing of certain members of the society).<BR/><BR/>I have a lot of respect for Chris and the personal rapport that I do engage with him and it ends there. I have my personal respect for him and that goes a very long way. I believe he is one of a kind.<BR/><BR/>But I would take a pique on some situations where hatred for a community serve as reasons that make us different in every aspect. The name calling and the hatred and make-believe and know-it-all and unbending discourse make one wonder where creative policy talks and discussion on the internet affecting the social foundations of our citizenship went.<BR/><BR/>As Chris said, some of us end up in the murk that is the downside of our political participation. We end up making tribal connotations at the end of it all, and even going to the extreme by getting sucked into the talks that are laced with tribalism, sycophancy and hatred. You end up being called a SPY for no apparent reason.<BR/><BR/>To all and those who make comments and personal attacks, either stereotypical or malicious, unfounded comments that have degraded this e-citizenry, please pay a visit (I am not advertising it) and get to terms with mature engagements.<BR/><BR/>-Derek-deroohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968699916143647335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-27098558370181906022008-05-31T05:36:00.000-07:002008-05-31T05:36:00.000-07:00Robert Ouko once told me when he asked me if I kne...Robert Ouko once told me when he asked me if I knew the difference between a Luo and a Kikuyu. When I shook my head, he laughed and said: 'It's easy to tell - if you find a man sleeping, just take some coins into your hands and shake them. If it's a Luo, he continues sleeping - but if he is a Kikuyu, he will wake up immediately. That's the difference between us and the Kikuyus. We prefer to learn and read but when it comes to making a living out of it, we are a total failure. A Kikuyu does not even have to go to the University, but he has all the skills to become a successful businessman right from the start.' I couldn't agree more.<BR/><BR/>And that's the reason why all of you envy them so much. They make the money which all of you would like to make too, but don't know how and where to start.<BR/><BR/>10:50 AM<BR/><BR/>TO ANON 10:50 AM<BR/><BR/>YOU DID MISUNDERSTAND THE SENSE BEHIND THE "JOKE" OUKO WAS TELLING YOU.<BR/><BR/>If at all it is Dr Ouko who told you that, then he meant this: A Luo believes in hard word and likes to cash only the amount he has sweated for.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand a Kikuyu wants to earn when a sleep. He wants to cash any amount he never seriously worked for. A mister Gikonyo (DN 31 May 2008) gave an example of a matatu driver getting more cash from passengers. There are many examples.<BR/><BR/>It's true a Kikuyu is not more clever or more industrious than other Kenyans. A Kikuyu is known in Kakamega (my home town) as sly, corrupt, brutal at night and ready to risk his life for money. No morality when money is involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57236383557299792982008-05-31T01:34:00.000-07:002008-05-31T01:34:00.000-07:00Chris, go to Kenyaimagine.com and get an education...Chris, go to Kenyaimagine.com and get an education. The level of debate here is just pathetic, starting with you. I dare you to post something on Kenyaimagine. You will be torn to shreds and probably end up beating your Kikuyu wife in frustration.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-25726813886694598522008-05-30T19:49:00.000-07:002008-05-30T19:49:00.000-07:00This anti-Kikuyu sentiment is too much. What has g...This anti-Kikuyu sentiment is too much. What has gone wrong Kenyans? Isn't this just a class struggle manifesting itself through tribe? I know marginalization of the surrounding provinces has a big part to play. But the 'contested' vote has brought out the worst side of Kenyan society.<BR/><BR/>Historical issues aside, the political class really needs to find lasting solutions. Enough of this bro-against-bro crap. We need lasting solutions, starting with a new constitution to ease the animosity. Will the GC deliver? Enough, please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-70081999644841957922008-05-30T17:31:00.000-07:002008-05-30T17:31:00.000-07:00I would forgive any non-Kenyan who from reading th...I would forgive any non-Kenyan who from reading this blog, walks away with the idea that the other 41 tribes became extinct! Yet really when put against our frothing enemies, we are the minority. somehow the 1 continues to dominate the 41 despite the heckling, despite the ethnic cleansing, despite the constant crying on the blogs. Keep hating, we are going to keep on prospering and praying that one day you evolve and join the league.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57975605038323784572008-05-30T13:56:00.000-07:002008-05-30T13:56:00.000-07:00Am an ODM damu and a small businesman in Nrb - mos...Am an ODM damu and a small businesman in Nrb - most of my customers are nyumbas. One thing this post election violence has done is to unite the group for the first time. If you guys were complaining before, i dont what you will say now. When people realise people hate them for nothing ( as i see in nrb) - they coalesce together and create deep roots. There may no longer be kiambu kikuyu, muranga, kirinyaga etc. These guys are tight. This violence may have affected them but it has now made them even stronger. Time will. ODM tufanye ajeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-70715634539520339832008-05-30T12:19:00.000-07:002008-05-30T12:19:00.000-07:00even GEMA has finally acknowledged that the increa...even GEMA has finally acknowledged that the increasing animosity needs to be approached delicately, so why dont the minions posting here borrow a leaf and focus on other national issues<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23081861047581600852008-05-30T11:52:00.000-07:002008-05-30T11:52:00.000-07:00Anon at 2.19 am, see my answers below.1. Maybe you...Anon at 2.19 am, see my answers below.<BR/><BR/>1. Maybe you ‘re right here. As far as I know, all kenyan tribes behave like this. In fact, human beings the world over behave like this. Why are you singling out the kikuyu?<BR/><BR/>2. Again, several tribes in Kenya behave like this. Why are you singling the kikuyu. By the way, there is nothing to be ashamed of our tribe.<BR/><BR/>3. Again, several tribes do this. Why are you singling out the kikuyu?<BR/><BR/>4.ODM supporters, who, by the way, happen to be right all the time and know everything. Just like you.<BR/><BR/>5. Who told you that was the sole reason?<BR/><BR/>6. Again, what a genius you are. How do you know that’s the reason kikuyus did not vote ODM. Have you considered other reasons, like Raila’s involvement in the 1982 coup, Kibaki’s economic and other successes (poverty reduction by 10%, etc) and not wanting the kalenjin thugs Ruto and Kosgey back in govt (as well as Musalia the goldenberg thug)?<BR/><BR/>Look at the ODM ministerial line up – Raila (cooperason with Moi), Ruto, Kosgey, Ntimama, etc – is that your version of change?<BR/><BR/>7. I don’t know what childrens jobs you are talking about. I don’t know who doesn’t want to talk about it. I don’t get your point here.<BR/><BR/>8. I don’t know the answer to your questions. This issue has been debated exhaustively, and governmental job lists published. Appointments are also made on merit, not tribe.<BR/><BR/>You may be referring to the kalenjin here. This happened during Moi’s era<BR/><BR/>9. I don’t know. Other than a small clique, most kikuyus are poverty stricken just like other Kenyans.<BR/><BR/>The kalenjins benefited immensely during Moi’s era, but I don’t see you complaining.<BR/><BR/>10. I don’t know the answer to these questions. If you have evidence, please produce it.<BR/><BR/>If most k-street girls are kyuks, it’s a reflection of the city, which has a huge kyuk population anyway. This is basic statistics. Let’s avoid superficial analyses.<BR/><BR/>11. Please produce your evidence. Again, if most Kenyans abroad are kyuks, it wouldn’t be unusual for them to have the most embarrassments, as well as successes. This is basic statistics. Let’s avoid superficial analyses.<BR/><BR/>12. I don’t know. Maybe most kikuyus believe so. But maybe so do people from other tribes. I have been engaged in arguments with several of my kikuyu tribesmates who believe Kibaki stole the elections.<BR/><BR/>What glaring evidence do you have –unverified numbers provided by KTN on election day? Raila strongholds having the highest voter turnouts compared to Kibaki strongholds? Kibaki turnouts being consistent with history, unlike Raila stronghold turnouts?<BR/><BR/>13. Even Israel was created for the jews because they were constantly being victimized. Kikuyus are always being attacked for fabricated reasons, like the ones you gave in your post. So they deserve the most protection.<BR/><BR/>14. See my answer to question 13.<BR/><BR/>In addition, the violence was started by non-kikuyus, so what evacuation did they deserve.<BR/><BR/>For more education, see the post by Anon at 9 am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com