tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post5630234937639829169..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: The Kibaki succession: The whispered reason for the great interest in the powers of the PM and PresidentUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-571374326060100272009-11-20T00:40:23.031-08:002009-11-20T00:40:23.031-08:00Unfortunately for your daft theories, Kibaki does ...Unfortunately for your daft theories, Kibaki does not control Kikuyu or GEMA votes so he cannot herd them to Raila. Let me tell you what is going to happen. Ruto will take over UDM which will become the Kalenjin party. Uhuru will defeat Gideon Moi in January KANU elections and retain the Chairmanship. Uhuru will then consolidate GEMA votes under KANU which was originally GEMA anyway, and then negotiate a pre and post election pact with Ruto to share power in a UDM/KANU coalition aka KK alliance. First order of business will be to scuttle the current NARA Govt so as to have new elections under the new constitution by instigating a vote of no-confidence against Raila as PM and sending him home. Now that sounds more realistic don't you think?Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-75874303643349018312009-11-17T07:53:38.915-08:002009-11-17T07:53:38.915-08:00Again, you have no idea. Challenge Philip. Do some...Again, you have no idea. Challenge Philip. Do some research. The obvious place to start is Mwingi....ask any passerby to compare and contrast Kalonzo vs Musila....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-38992368126085240392009-11-17T04:51:50.051-08:002009-11-17T04:51:50.051-08:00Phil,
That description you gve of Kalonzo could v...Phil,<br /><br />That description you gve of Kalonzo could very well fit raila. Especially the part about discouraging any other form of leadership to arise from his own home area. tell us tinga's record in that? the thug attacks on orengo and Nyongo when they dared have adifferent opinion to tinga?<br /><br />Tuju?<br /><br />As for dicttorial and selfish tendancies, I will let you read of fellow pentagon members Balala and ruto have to say about raila.<br /><br />kalonzo is winning and ODM is falling apart. Some people are going to the hague and others wil spend the rest of their lives regretting the thousands of kenyans they killed in 1982 and 2008 in their failed attempt to get to SH<br /><br />This uvumi about Kalonzo is utter rubbish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-89345659343630261622009-11-17T03:59:27.616-08:002009-11-17T03:59:27.616-08:00Anon @ 11.51P.M
When it comes to Kalonzo we'l...Anon @ 11.51P.M<br /><br />When it comes to Kalonzo we'll first of all need to define what is morals and rank these morals.<br /><br />Yes, recently the guy has never been implicated in any wrong issues in the government, however several things clear and most know about Kalonzo are: The guy is extremely selfish on both personal and national level. Please find out what the guy did when Kamba were dying of hunger and tell me.<br /><br />It's commonly known, but not verified, that Kalonzo has negleted close family members - one of his sister stays at Mukuru wa Njenga slums.<br /><br />I personally know that the guy is an elite who'll want to prove to everyone. He rarely interacts with people he views as "common wananchis."<br /><br />During my time in Kamba region I was told that the guy is very jealous to the extent that he doesn't feel well when a Kamba rises. That he has denied several people an opportunity for education because of this fear - that's exactly what Biwott was doing to "his people" in Kaptagat. I'm using the term "his people" because that's how these politician view us - like they own us and not us owning them.<br /><br />Kalonzo generally is a pretender in front of the media but selfish, jealous and proud behind the media.<br /><br />I have friends who can call Ruto any time, so do I have friends who can call Raila anytime, and having personal interaction with this two guys can really change your perception of them. My friend once interacted with Moi - imagine in the morning in state lodge Moi could come to see them in vest and short and find out how they are doing, he could chat with them like age-mates - that concern from baba na mama made my friend to like Moi to date. That's something you don't get from Kalonzo. I can bet that it can be easy to get access to Raila and Ruto than to Kalonzo.<br /><br />So my lack of support for the guy is based on his personal life rather than how you view the guy in the media. I sometimes think that the guy can be worse than Ruto and Uhuru.<br /><br />Kalonzo is still those classical leaders who may even not want anybody in Kenya to have a better vehicle than his.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14320652530759368444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-65483778958320718802009-11-17T01:55:50.894-08:002009-11-17T01:55:50.894-08:00The amount of traffic should not be used as the so...The amount of traffic should not be used as the sole determinannt of the popularity of this any site. For all we care, it could be popular for all the wrong reasons!!!.....and by the way, some admins of this blog seem to be oblivious of the intellect of the average visitor of this blog. All I know is that, I am more cynical about Kumekucha's articles/agendas that I was 1 year ago....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13964732429387575042009-11-17T01:14:59.729-08:002009-11-17T01:14:59.729-08:00You have no idea what Kalonzo is....You have no idea what Kalonzo is....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57638536015338686832009-11-16T23:51:25.886-08:002009-11-16T23:51:25.886-08:00Phillip, i like your straight forwardness. Its als...Phillip, i like your straight forwardness. Its also good that someone other than chris thinks Raila has lost his edge.<br />However, why did you compare Raila with UK and Ruto? Kalonzo beats Raila hands down when it comes to being clean. He is the only politician without blemish and i am no Kamba.<br /><br />Kalonzo for President, Away with Inheritance of Power from Fathers, Away with Corruption and Nepotism that Raila has excelled in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-77169761576951822232009-11-16T23:37:42.550-08:002009-11-16T23:37:42.550-08:00I'll be the happiest man to find out what peop...I'll be the happiest man to find out what people gain by supporting their tribal leaders.<br /><br />But how do you remove Kenya from tribalism when even my age-mates aged between 25-35 strongly believe that the best spouse is one coming from their tribe? That's how deep tribalism is entrenched in our society.<br /><br />Upto now Derek has never explained to me why he hates Raila so much, and I've also not understood why Taabu never brought any negative posts about Raila.<br /><br />I know deep within, most Kenyans don't like their tribal leaders however they cannot stand being led by someone from another tribe. That's why I'll not be surprised if the likes of Uhuru and Ruto receive overwhelming votes from fellow tribesmen. Don't forget Raila and Kalonzo.<br /><br />Succession politics is real but to what benefit to Kenyans?<br /><br />Recently I've been looking at the way Raila behaves and everytime I see him I see that he's no longer the man I used to support. Even if it's all about political survival was there a better way that he could survive other than appointing his brother as assistant minister for finance and his sister as US bla bla? If I say there was no other way then what I'm doing is condoning the actions of Moi and Kibaki which nearly led the country to brink of collapse. These two actions by the guy shows the kind of guy that the man can be when he takes the executive leadership.<br /><br />The reality according to me is that at the moment Kenya doesn't have any good leader with ambitions for presidency, though Raila may be better than Ruto and Uhuru. How I wish a good leader will come up.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14320652530759368444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-3805601530745227122009-11-16T21:35:19.547-08:002009-11-16T21:35:19.547-08:00Mwarengethe,
You are guilty of the same thing you...Mwarengethe,<br /><br />You are guilty of the same thing you accuse others of. Why assume am either a kikuyu or kalenjin by talking about kk. It seems increasingly clear that both the kikuyu and the kalenjin will sponsor a presidential candidate. The rallies going on in centro and rv are saying as much. kk is designed to be implented after the election in which it is expected uhuru will be first and ruto second. Kenya's politics is so easy to read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-5472137482782472482009-11-16T19:33:09.462-08:002009-11-16T19:33:09.462-08:00Chris sasa nini hii. Dont collect bar talk and com...Chris sasa nini hii. Dont collect bar talk and come and paste it here. Chris, i respect you for your impatiality and lack of tibal partisan like the Juvenile Taabu but hapa leo umeanguka mtihani. I give you an F for the poor Job done.kimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-33200463477288368882009-11-16T16:29:03.438-08:002009-11-16T16:29:03.438-08:00I like the gist of the article except when referen...I like the gist of the article except when reference is made to "honorable" Kibaki. <br /><br />Quite frankly, one can not be an election thief and honorable in the same breath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36419934885916513452009-11-16T15:30:29.600-08:002009-11-16T15:30:29.600-08:00Chris,
These are stories and dreamt-up falacies t...Chris,<br /><br />These are stories and dreamt-up falacies that the ODMers want people to believe that there is a pact between Kibaki and Raila. The pact, whether there or not, is not binding and never will.<br /><br />In one of my posts that was spiked by the self-appointed REGULATORS of the blog (It was non offensive), i said that the whole thing will depend on what happens in Bondo when Kibaki visited that place.<br /><br />Incidentally, the bedrock of the Odinga Dictatorial Movement, the Kaloes, did not accept anything about the move and the mass movement has not been the same since. If you reflect the whole political scenario, it was the first time that they openly disagreed and since then, the veneered sanity that was in ODM, albeit dictatorial, waned.<br /><br />It is abit amatuerish and nondescript so to say, that people can talk of a power-handing process and yet thos who voted to a man for the god of politics are shedding tears by the roadside and the others (labeled unwisely 'adui') are still buying building materials for their houses.<br /><br />This talk, should be treated with the contempt it deserves, an ODM rumour and look at the bigger picture. That is, the vote in Kenya will be determined along tribal lines and Kibaki, in his laid back fashion, will never, at all, endorse Raila publicly. NEVER.<br /><br />It will expose him to an alteraction never seen before and those who hate him in the larger Kikuyu (read Muranga and Kiambu) will offer a backlash never seen.<br /><br />Still, dont dismiss a fact that he never campaigned publicly for any of the PNU affiliates, in the fear of a backlash that whipped some of his closest allies.<br /><br />To be honest with you, sad as it is and simply accept it, Raila Odinga will not win it. Just live with it, the same way that the corronation in Uhuru Park never materialised and the Executive Powers mirage never came to be.<br /><br />He will not! Simple<br /><br />-Derek-deroohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968699916143647335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-15305059659218219092009-11-16T12:10:56.405-08:002009-11-16T12:10:56.405-08:00Guys, so long as we have an independent credible e...Guys, so long as we have an independent credible election monitoring body and an allowance that diaspora Kenyans can vote, the outcome of the vote will shock many. If we see Kibs still vying for his seat then we will know something is in the offing and we need to act fast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-71142701635465647032009-11-16T10:22:37.937-08:002009-11-16T10:22:37.937-08:00will the list of the "tribal lords" wait...will the list of the "tribal lords" waiting to be prosecuted at the hague change the equation in 2012?<br /><br />that is if it is released in ther early part of 2010?<br /><br />how sweet will it be to have the suspected "tribal lords" and their tribal subodinates be whisked away before november of 2010.<br /><br />will the already decaying land of kenya be better off dead without kibaki, raila, uhuru, ruto, half of the current parliamentarians and some of the other sickening political ratpins once the the wheels of justice at the hague begin to spin and met out the much awaited justice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-90837520006376781632009-11-16T08:08:28.144-08:002009-11-16T08:08:28.144-08:00this how it will be 2012.Raila,kibaki &Jimmy a...this how it will be 2012.Raila,kibaki &Jimmy and Uhuru,Ruto,and kalonzo.<br />Uhuru will be our next Preso.<br />Raila opposition amen or home detention and castro will flee to cuba.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10410996993278945202009-11-16T07:58:37.391-08:002009-11-16T07:58:37.391-08:00@1:00 am
You seem to be the blind one among keny...@1:00 am <br /><br />You seem to be the blind one among kenyans. There is nothing new in what you have just pasted (yes pasted!), besides regurgitating views from several blogs? <br /><br />What became of originality? Why are some people so addicted to regurgitating other people's views 24/7?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-12030110798063515682009-11-16T07:53:06.198-08:002009-11-16T07:53:06.198-08:00Ngai! Phil still worship Raila??!!
The wonders of ...Ngai! Phil still worship Raila??!!<br />The wonders of this world never cease to amaze me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10131587959433501832009-11-16T07:45:09.168-08:002009-11-16T07:45:09.168-08:00Chris,
I predicted this alliance of the princip...Chris, <br /><br />I predicted this alliance of the principals one and half years ago. I am glad you can now see similar picture emerging.<br /><br />http://kumekucha.blogspot.com/2008/07/secret-succession-deal-has-kibaki.html<br /><br />A lot of water has passed under the bridge. What makes the Kibaki succession an even more mouth watering political affair, is the on-going implementation of AGENDA4. <br /><br />The principals have disagreed on a few occasions (like who should occupy the Leader of Government Business in parliament) but they have agreed on many other issues. <br /><br />For instance, Kibaki launched Raila's colourful strategic plan for office of the Prime Minister, the only one released in the blotted cabinet so far.<br /><br />Kibaki also made a highly successful visit to Raila's Bondo home. Remember last year, no one wanted to hear Kibaki's name in Nyanza.<br /><br />More importantly, the principals seems to be reading from the same script regarding the looming ICC indictments. There will be highly visible fallouts in both PNU and ODM, but Ocampo will be doing us a great service mopping up the warlords from democracy loving Kenyans like your trully.<br /><br />I will not be surprised if chants of Raila tosha emanate from the slopes sometime next year. Unlike 10 years ago, Raila is now an internationally respected statesman and panafricanist. Afterall, he appears to me the likeliest to deliver a new constitution.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006931396497105956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23814147694896777682009-11-16T06:31:03.927-08:002009-11-16T06:31:03.927-08:00Anonymous wrote
As for raila, he has to retire wi...Anonymous wrote<br /><br />As for raila, he has to retire with kibs because kalenjins will definitely not vote for him and without them he cant make any serious bid. So the "project" thing looks like it will work this time round.<br /><br />Our views:<br /><br />A Spartan mother had five sons with the army. A Helot arrived; trembling she asked his news. “Your five sons are slain.” “Vile slave, was that what I asked thee?” “We have won the victory.” She hastened to the temple to render thanks to the gods. <br /><br />When we dwell on the "victory of our tribes," are we not behaving just like this woman from Sparta?Mwarang'ethehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751879277752081774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-42574178007954426852009-11-16T05:38:08.866-08:002009-11-16T05:38:08.866-08:00I hear Jimmy the douche bag wants to be the PM to ...I hear Jimmy the douche bag wants to be the PM to safeguard his dad's many valuable assets. Mummy's boy Jimmy has been holding night meetings with Agwambo to see of what use he can be in consolidating the GEMA vote. Ignore the douche bag at your own peril!M. Pesahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14168126497090037314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-25611411024022885642009-11-16T05:14:41.237-08:002009-11-16T05:14:41.237-08:00Yes, I was amused by what kalenjin leaders said ov...Yes, I was amused by what kalenjin leaders said over the weekend. Ati Raila never won! so what were they fighting for? <br /><br />Chris you dont know what you are talking about. Kalonzo is not concerned about kibaki and raila. He is concerned about uhuru and ruto, both of whom have now unequivacaly stated they will run for president (current constitution). You need to look at the kk thing more closely. It is real. But it will be implemented after the election. In a scenario where ruto runs, uhuru will definitely win and ruto will be second and will be vp. The only way kalonzo can be president is by convincing both uhuru and ruto to back him. But from the way things look, it aint gonna happen. As for raila, he has to retire with kibs because kalenjins will definitely not vote for him and without them he cant make any serious bid. So the "project" thing looks like it will work this time round.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-15676443075861273462009-11-16T05:00:59.247-08:002009-11-16T05:00:59.247-08:00Chris,
If there is indeed such a plan, what is wr...Chris,<br /><br />If there is indeed such a plan, what is wrong with it. The guys have found a way of 'looking' after their affairs.<br /><br />You and me...we havent. We will sing, dance and ululate at their creativity....since it will be our time to eat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-92125786251073464882009-11-16T04:15:07.346-08:002009-11-16T04:15:07.346-08:00COMPLETE NONSENSECOMPLETE NONSENSEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-50005854404655946292009-11-16T03:32:20.629-08:002009-11-16T03:32:20.629-08:00The question I keep asking and can't seem to g...The question I keep asking and can't seem to get an answer for is simple;<br /><br /><b>Why keep visiting a blog whose fortunes are dwindling? Why not move elsewhere and stop wasting your precious time visiting this blog to state the obvious (at least in ur eyes)?</b><br /><br />Fortunately this is NOT a mystery to me. I know exactly what is going on. BUT please explain to the other readers coz this is the web and ur actions (if ur comments are to be believed) defy logic.<br /><br />-Chris-Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14786114244744788892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-78271268335268222912009-11-16T03:24:48.411-08:002009-11-16T03:24:48.411-08:00Ruto yesterday declared that Kibaki won in 2007 af...Ruto yesterday declared that Kibaki won in 2007 after all.<br /><br />What do th ODMorons have to say to this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com