tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post5241686164282929288..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Verdict: The Hague is BeckoningUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-87068773690476860142008-10-17T20:08:00.000-07:002008-10-17T20:08:00.000-07:00papa + you're rightanon 2:43, i don't know what yo...papa + <BR/><BR/>you're right<BR/><BR/>anon 2:43, i don't know what you're talking about so i'll leave it at its a case of mistaken identity.<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-77291403529800614302008-10-17T15:23:00.000-07:002008-10-17T15:23:00.000-07:00Why does anyone bother to engage someone called an...Why does anyone bother to engage someone called anon x:y am/pm? especially when the post is festuned with insults and salty language? It's like engaging a wrong number caller on the phone! Learn to ignore guys, you'll be amazed at the results. <BR/><BR/>Urxlnc, <BR/>if this guy was real he could have posted links to alledged words and made his/her point mara once instead of issuing petty threats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-14961919846971415802008-10-17T14:47:00.000-07:002008-10-17T14:47:00.000-07:002:43kindly remind me exactly where i said those wo...2:43<BR/><BR/>kindly remind me exactly where i said those words, i seem to have forgottenUrXlnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17975473173690337119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-68571492902879071192008-10-17T14:43:00.000-07:002008-10-17T14:43:00.000-07:00Urxlnc, on anon 12:25, you remember a year ago, yo...Urxlnc, on anon 12:25, you remember a year ago, you said ODM will win and if kibaki is re-elected you were willing to die. you said Kenya will become like somolia, remember those words?<BR/>you want more clues???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-34977570045651208172008-10-17T12:43:00.000-07:002008-10-17T12:43:00.000-07:00Anon @ 10.34AM, what do you understand by the term...Anon @ 10.34AM, what do you understand by the term spontaneous? Please, enlighten us dunderheads. <BR/>Secondly, you are reading the report upside down, turn the book right side up.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-78817024157377351842008-10-17T12:40:00.000-07:002008-10-17T12:40:00.000-07:00ok 12:25 you want to talk go aheadok 12:25 you want to talk go aheadUrXlnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17975473173690337119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80784774123560423132008-10-17T12:25:00.000-07:002008-10-17T12:25:00.000-07:00Urxlnc, the two faced son of a bitch!WHY DO YOU PR...Urxlnc, the two faced son of a bitch!<BR/><BR/>WHY DO YOU PRETEND?! WHEN I KNOW YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE!! you should practice what you write here. I know you know who is this...<BR/>do you want some clues??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-86009469536433145832008-10-17T12:16:00.000-07:002008-10-17T12:16:00.000-07:00anon 11:29i understand and hear you.there is a lot...anon 11:29<BR/><BR/>i understand and hear you.<BR/><BR/>there is a lot of anger and tension which only gets further exacerbated by the inaction of the principals.<BR/><BR/>i can assure you that whereas the tribal haters you mention exist, they are not the majority. the majority are simple everyday kenyans like you, me and many other contributors here who just want things to make sense, and for justice to prevail and be served. its when the executive apply selective justice or keep on fumbling, delaying and toying with justice which provides loophole for criminal minded and bigots to generate heat which unfortunately draws everyone else into it.UrXlnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17975473173690337119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-50284203230117331162008-10-17T11:29:00.000-07:002008-10-17T11:29:00.000-07:00anon @7:07 amlet's stop name calling and stick to ...anon @7:07 am<BR/>let's stop name calling and stick to a rational course of argument or reasoning if we may.<BR/><BR/>if you may have noticed, which you didn't as usual, i didn't single out nor leave out kenyans from any one group or ethnic community that were involved in the complete mayhem after election 2007.<BR/><BR/>so, why are individuals like you so afraid/scared of kenyans who belong to other ethnic communities and adhere to a political ideology? what's the real essence of true democracy? can you help me understand such a simple fact of political life in our little world.<BR/><BR/>first of all, waki report is not gospel truth on every heinious crime that was committed on kenyan soil during one of kenya's darkest chapter of post election violence. <BR/><BR/>there is more to come than some of us would like the rest of the public to believe, and it will surface in due time as it did in places like rwanda, serbia, east timor, and other regions.<BR/><BR/>anon @7:07 am, would you please explain to an "ignoramus" being like me, how the pre-existing ethnic tensions, hatred, rivalry, sneaking suspicion, dislike and delusional self-cultivated ethnic superiority complex since the 1960s ended up being triggered by spontaneity, or rather blamed on very lame a excuse such as spontaneous combustion? <BR/><BR/>forgive me for my ignoramus status on kumekucha, but, would you help me understand why honest, law abiding, hardworking and peace loving businessmen and women from the kikuyu, those who have no known political ties, blood relations, clan (nyumba) affiliations and financial connections to the powers that be, such as mount kenya mafia, kiambu mafia and mola kingpin, were collectively punished and even killed for the political errors of a few rotten bananas (maligo) in their midst?<BR/><BR/>anon @7:07 am, guess what, your inborn fear of the whole kikuyu people will end up being your own undoing in the long. why? the more people spend their whole lives in the ethnic (tribal) pursuits of closely watching every imagined move and activity of their perceived ethnic enemies, the more they waste their whole lifetime on mundane issues rather investing the same energies in developing their regional economies, and keeping a steady eye on their so called friends.<BR/><BR/>international crisis group has a lot on what happened; recordings, vedeo violence footage, photographic diaries and direct interviews with victims from all over the country. keep your figures crossed for the time being.<BR/><BR/>back to the issue of some elements among kenyans living on the coastal region. the muslim population has been very peaceful and has co-existed with kenyans of other faiths for centuries without no friction, tension and violence.<BR/><BR/>it's a known fact that there some misguided elements in their living midst, and by that i mean, individuals with extreme political opinions as well as extreme religious beliefs, are in concert that infidels like you and me don not have the right to live in their midst or anywhere withing their domain of existence, which is rightful a place for them and them alone.<BR/><BR/>that's the group i had in mind when referring to the throny issue of "religious extremism" in kenya. any issue that is no different from the current "ethnic extremism".<BR/><BR/>lastly, <B>i don't care whether the next kenyan president and his vice-precident are from the borana, somali, masaai, teso, rendile, bajuni, nubian, ndia, mbere, kisii, kuria, samburu, indiani, kikuyu, luo, luhya, kamba, nandi, tugen, pokot, kipsigis, marakwet, later-day-kaburu (leaky), bulushi, digo, giriama, marakote, sebei or whatever background.<BR/><BR/>all we (most kenyans) need is a government that is transparent and accountable. One that serves its people (citizenry), and is free from corruption, and the ongoing sickening politics of ethnicity and patronage</B>.<BR/><BR/>pnu was known to be arsenic, while odm is no different, it's total cyanide. <BR/><BR/>adm is as sick and guilty as pnu. they are not seeking power to serve the people, nor do they have kenya's best interests at their political hearts.<BR/><BR/>kenyans deserve better political parties, wise political leaders and not toxic poisonous individuals like the curent crop of politicians.<BR/><BR/>anon @7:07 am, why do some kenyans hate innocent kikuyus like venomous vipers, and why do some rotten bananas among the kikuyu hate other kenyans like dead corpse?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-16537086978125104782008-10-17T11:00:00.000-07:002008-10-17T11:00:00.000-07:00voting ended peacefully in Canada; the final resul...voting ended peacefully in Canada; the final results were out the next day; suggest you disband ECK and hire Elections Canada next times. Lives will be saved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80034433358734073102008-10-17T10:34:00.000-07:002008-10-17T10:34:00.000-07:00Hahaha...so "Kimi Raikonnen" has resurre...Hahaha...so "Kimi Raikonnen" has resurrected, actually you still have not discussed the Waki report (probably still digesting the bile huh?)<BR/>well, we are waiting, dont tell us about NSIS, tell us about the beckoning hague, please share your thoughts on the kikuyu businessmen & politicians who held meetings at state house, oh maybe you havent read it yet, you are avoiding all these. We understand!<BR/>And by the way 7:07 am, is so spot on, that is the absolute truth. It is what the report says, or maybe you havent reached those pages!<BR/><BR/>Personally, I think the only reason why you're commenting on NSIS & asking people who have actually read the report to re-read it is, imply because you're not satisfied with its findings. It's hurting you so bad right now that Kibaki & pnu are at the heart of the pre-planned & organized post election violence, heck they are the CORE REASON for the PEV. And you know it. Only you wished the verdict would point an accusing finger to ODM & it did not.<BR/>Even paul mwangi a pnu sympathiser & lawyer, admitted that the hague is beckoning. Take that pill and dont forget to swallow it long & hard; )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91700749465901901282008-10-17T08:37:00.000-07:002008-10-17T08:37:00.000-07:00"...The verdict on NSIS is damning. No country run..."...The verdict on NSIS is damning. No country runs without a dependable intelligence service and ours is reputed as one of the best on this side of the planet. The NSIS knew about the suffocating tension before the polls but their interest rested elsewhere secure in the knowledge about the voting pattern and outcome..."<BR/><BR/>What utter nonsense, Taabu. The Waki report is explicitly clear, and i can quote for you chapter and verse of the 529 page report, that the NSIS AND the Military were the only Govt institutions to act in a thoroughly professional manner, right from the NSIS predicting rising political tension after the 2005 referendum to informing the powers that be of the pre-meditated violence and murder being planned in the Rift Valley, to the Army stopping the Mungiki mayhem in Nakuru before it got out of control. <BR/>The NSIS have proved that they indeed have their finger on the pulse of every single thing that goes on in this country, including knowing time and second when Raila farts. <BR/>Why do you then persist in these spiteful lies? To what useful purpose? <BR/>Regardless, do not kid yourself. The likes of both Ruto and Kosgei and other ODM murdering louts and thugs have a date with the rope. Soon, very soon. <BR/>The ICC clause is the ultimate determinator. Brilliant.<BR/><BR/>Anon @ 6.19AM, pewa kitu.<BR/><BR/>Anon @ 7.07AM, either read the report or go back to school.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-8525728990317623482008-10-17T07:07:00.000-07:002008-10-17T07:07:00.000-07:006:19 am YOU ARE PLAIN IGNORANT!!!You dont seem to ...6:19 am YOU ARE PLAIN IGNORANT!!!<BR/>You dont seem to have perused let alone, read the Waki report. One of the clearest verdicts, according to the Waki report, is that the violence esp in parts of Rift Valley & Western province was spontaneous. Other than Nakuru, Naivasha & a few other regions the violence was spontaneous.<BR/><BR/>What you are claiming is the propaganda that was preached to your ilk & you quickly swallowed it. Isnt it true that the Kibaki regime at the height of the violence denied that any meeting at state house took place with Mungiki? BBC reported this (yes we may have known it, but the perepetrators of the violence denied it) but it has been CONFIRMED for us.<BR/><BR/>Your idea that Ruto funded any violence (according to the pnu propaganda) cannnot stand for now as the list of the perpetrators is secret and that goes for Ntimama or any other name you may want to spring up. <BR/>And if you may reason please, how exactly does one plan & fund something that was spontaneous? Fortunately we now know that the meeting at state house did take place & a couple of kikuyu businessmen & politicians are inevitably going to pay dearly for their actions. And that is not "ruto propaganda" by the way, that is a a fact.<BR/><BR/>In Nyanza & Western, it was clearly stated that the killings were spontaeous, it was not revenge killing as you claim!<BR/>Lastly I am yet to come across where the report mentions "muslim extremeties" funding or organizing the destruction of property & life at the coast.<BR/><BR/>So what is new in the Waki report? EVERYTHING!! It has separated FACT FROM FICTION. It has thrown out of the window the idea that ODM organized the PEV, if anything it brings out quite clearly that ODM spontaneously reacted to the illegitimacy of Kibaki as president (pnu totally argued that it was pre-planned, it was not) & to the contrary identified the main organisers & financiers of ORGANIZED, PRE-PLANNED violence as...<BR/> <BR/>That is not to say ODM were entirely innocent victims of the PEV, I strongly believe that anyone, anyone be it Ruto, Uhuru, Kibaki himself or whoever else it may be, should be held fully accountable for their actions if found guilty. <BR/>But, it has to be based on fact & evidence, which is what Waki has done. It should not be propaganda that involves faking letters & documents among other things in an attempt at tying individuals to such inhumane acts!!<BR/>Basically it rubishes out your argument.<BR/>Good Riddance!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-11251449597748658402008-10-17T06:37:00.000-07:002008-10-17T06:37:00.000-07:00Najibu Balala is on the list!!!!!Najibu Balala is on the list!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91327554254038003512008-10-17T06:19:00.000-07:002008-10-17T06:19:00.000-07:00waki waki waki waki waki waki this and waki waki w...waki waki waki waki waki waki this and waki waki waki waki waki that.<BR/><BR/>so, what's the shocking revelation in the waki report that was unknown to 90% of the kenyan tribal population?<BR/><BR/>the findings and contents of the waki report have been common knowledge since january of 2008.<BR/><BR/>the only difference is that waki report has reported and done what many kenyans without balls or so called "courage" could not say or do under the kenya sun.<BR/><BR/>uhuru the red-eyed-maggot and his company of warped politicians gave over sixty million shillings to organised criminal gangs in thika, nakuru and naivasha in an effort to fince ethnic killings. <BR/><BR/>while ruto, the evil-headed king of tribal vipers and company raised forty million shillings in their blind rage to kill as well as get rid of "outsiders".<BR/><BR/>several nyanza cobras and western black mambas with an insatiable appetite for wanton destruction of property and human life, provided funds, drugs, alochol and crude weapons to their underlings to carry out tribal revenge killings.<BR/><BR/>then there were the cohort of resident evil, better known as the kenya police, gsu, adminstration police and the national intelligence with a warped sense of internal security, who were responsible for the extra-judicial killings of so many civilians around the country.<BR/><BR/>ole ntimama is another evil and tribal hyena who funded death squads and unleashed them onto his oppoenents and neighbouring ethnic communities.<BR/><BR/>don't forget the local muslim extremists who planned, funded and employed unsuspecting kenyan youths in the coast region to carry out wanton destruction of human life and property that belonged to "outsiders" and political opponents. thse are the same evil residents of kenya who got away with the likoni ethnic killings and violence that took place several years ago.<BR/> <BR/>verdict:<BR/><BR/>all culprits from all over the country should face a minimum of ten years served at kamiti prison, ring leaders should be locked up for life, or executed.<BR/><BR/>worst case scenario, if they are left unpunished, then, mysterious ways should be devised to seek justice in name of all those who perished, just because they were seen as nothing but disposable pawns in the eyes of the politicians who seem to have earned what they set out to fight for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-28775289761129529332008-10-17T05:49:00.000-07:002008-10-17T05:49:00.000-07:00Thanks for clarifying that guys. Not to belabour t...Thanks for clarifying that guys. Not to belabour the point but rather just playing the devil's advocate; so the Hague is our last hope. Haven't there been African dictators who have avoided the Hague? Once one is indicted by the ICC, what happens to the point where they are prosecuted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-12502871544034609762008-10-17T00:43:00.000-07:002008-10-17T00:43:00.000-07:0012:37 am you forget to mention that hurdles by par...12:37 am you forget to mention that hurdles by parliament will not be a factor this time.<BR/>This report does not depend on parliaments adpoting & implementing etc like previous reports. Why I am eternally greatful to Waki is because he saw that loophole & sealed it. Should this report not make it to parliament, should Kibaki & Raila not even sign it, or should any hurdles or obstacles come its way, It goes straight to the hague.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-38959782314781721252008-10-17T00:37:00.000-07:002008-10-17T00:37:00.000-07:00My good friends this report is not "just anot...My good friends this report is not "just another report" as Papa plus has mentioned. As I watched Newsline last night, one Paul Mwangi, a rabid pnu sympathiser clearly stated that this report is special & not like Krieglers as the commission's mandate or responsibilities were entrenched in the kenyan constitution. So it is not the troon, akiwumi type. IT CAN NOT BE SHELVED!<BR/>Waki in todays Standard Paper categorically stated that the ICC is an ALTERNATIVE to the tribunal, should the tribunal fail to be formed, for whatever reason which Kibaki & his people are already seriously working on, according to The Standard, the ICC will automatically take over after a given no of days (i think it is 60 days) and given that the commissions mandate/responsibilities are entrenched in the constitution, it just means this is not a suggestion, It is Law!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-34532098008281567162008-10-16T22:06:00.000-07:002008-10-16T22:06:00.000-07:00papa +that report is an excellent specimen of what...papa +<BR/><BR/>that report is an excellent specimen of what an effective commission should do and produce. <BR/><BR/>even if it gathers dust, the truth is out, sooner or later, the electorate will wise up and reject these sham of leaders, and sure enough these institutions and their leaders will be made accountable.<BR/><BR/>the atrocities committed have no place in society and just too barbaric and heinous to comprehend<BR/><BR/>but with determined and impartial political will, it also appears the total number of these criminals is not large and they can be picked out one by one right from the leaders and funders to the lowest of the foot soldiers. significant external and internal pressure needs to be applied to help this along i think, something a lot stronger that visa denials<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-64240492422388679682008-10-16T20:09:00.000-07:002008-10-16T20:09:00.000-07:00Am reading more and more of this report and it is ...Am reading more and more of this report and it is positively neuseating. Chpt 6 concerning sexual violence predominantly carried out by yours trully "utumishi kwa wote" the police and GSU is extremely sickening. I read in the papers that Kibaki and his crew took 4 hours reading this report and that the security heads were there and handed copies to study. After the arrogance sidplayed by the po;ice cmmissioner, I ask you what is the appropriate thing to do when such damning indictment of your office is tabulated? Ask Mbeki and Mwiraria and they will tell you that the integrity of the office is more important than the person and that the most approriate thing to do is to RESIGN!<BR/><BR/>But watch what happens with the clowns in Kenya...<BR/><BR/>Papa plusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-64716305418570796972008-10-16T18:19:00.000-07:002008-10-16T18:19:00.000-07:00Well correct me if am wrong but the Waki report is...Well correct me if am wrong but the Waki report is just that; a report. It is not law. Yet. If Kibaki wanted he could read it and say he disagrees with everything in that report because of (a) or (b) reasons and throw it out, no? Isn't that what happened to the Troon report? This Waki report has to be tabled and debated in parliament before any recommendations are taken. <BR/><BR/>Someone please set me clear on this procedure...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-17309228300787282112008-10-16T18:01:00.000-07:002008-10-16T18:01:00.000-07:00There is a poison pill in the recommendations, upo...There is a poison pill in the recommendations, upon expiry of 4.5 months during which if the Kenyan tribunal will not have been set up, then the ICC tribunal will take over. There'll be no escaping the claws of justice for those implicated, its either Kenyans solve this problem or international law will solve it for us. Thats the catch-22 poison pill that Waki brilliantly put in the report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-73076647218075775382008-10-16T14:36:00.000-07:002008-10-16T14:36:00.000-07:00It also seems to me that the law in Kenya is very ...It also seems to me that the law in Kenya is very subjective. Kenyan life is also very cheap. Over 1000 kenyans died and we still have thousands more home less and refugees in their own country. <BR/><BR/>So someone please explain to me how the rights of individuals suspected or mentioned adversely in the Waki report as being implicit in the post election violence; how do these characters get to have their names sealed in an envelop because of personal rights and all this legal mambo jambo? Where was the law for those that died? Those that are homeless? those that were sexually abused? Are they not Kenyans protected by the law of the land? Shit like this is what gets my blood boiling about these commission shenanigans. We are better off having a reconsiliation tribunal done in the open where the aggressor looks at the vicitm in the face and admits his/her wrongs! <BR/><BR/>Papa plusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-68470886801984080012008-10-16T14:28:00.000-07:002008-10-16T14:28:00.000-07:00Well, well, well. I just perused through the repor...Well, well, well. I just perused through the report. <BR/><BR/>Of particular interest was the part titled Alledged Perpetrators: To Name or Not Name on pg 15. The report predictably goes in legal jargon ultimately concluding by NOT NAMING but rather attaching these names in an envelop along with the report to be handed to eminent Africans pending the establishment of a (you guessed it) special tribunal as per the recommendations.<BR/><BR/>Eh, Urxlnc, umesoma hiyo?<BR/><BR/>papa plus<BR/>This is what am talking about guys. You put a fierce dog to guard your boma against thieves but you chain it in the middle of the boma with a padlock which you have no key! You rightly pointed out that Kibaki will not act on any<BR/>report. Even when it seems that he is turning every stone, there still remains big boulders that go untouched. It is the same game with ECK. Give them money and perceived responsibilities but yet they can not even audit their own findings without someone filing a court injuction. <BR/><BR/>I repeat, I have seen this movie many, many times. What say you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13545752709155619832008-10-16T14:06:00.000-07:002008-10-16T14:06:00.000-07:00hats of to Wakihttp://www.eastandard.net/InsidePag...hats of to Waki<BR/><BR/>http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1143997202&cid=4&UrXlnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17975473173690337119noreply@blogger.com