tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post4773942466709783565..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: New Oath of Office Will Be High Crime for Anti-Constitution MinistersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-37907202156741171212010-08-13T01:23:27.420-07:002010-08-13T01:23:27.420-07:00The church spent our tithe and sadaka in the misgu...The church spent our tithe and sadaka in the misguided 'No' campaigns. I don't want to go back to the past but can somebody tell me where our sadakas go and what the Njues/ Karanja's/ Onginde's intend to do with such future takings? Have you noticed how Rev./ Dr./ Hon Wanjiru has lost weight in two weeks? Wakwende!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-76052123353437270502010-08-12T04:43:05.092-07:002010-08-12T04:43:05.092-07:00Kumekucha, I am disappointed by your laziness. You...Kumekucha, I am disappointed by your laziness. You leave one blog for a whole week!<br />It seems you got a job to be in the camp of Yes no no yes no.<br />Wake up or you lose your blog. So many topics for discussion are available and you have no writeup!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91078402316554075032010-08-12T01:40:35.976-07:002010-08-12T01:40:35.976-07:00Why are chris and phil shying from debating the po...Why are chris and phil shying from debating the position of pm under new katiba. If the position was held by someone else we would never hear the last of how the person is finished.<br /><br />The new document says the persons occupying the positions of president and pm will continue to do so, meaning raila will continue to be refered to as pm.<br /><br />However the document says executive authority is exercised by president, dp and cabinet secretaries. In particular the duties of coordinating ministries are with the president.<br /><br />The president is being required to swear an oath to uphold the new katiba. There is no oath for pm. What exacly will the pm be doing? And will it be constitutional?<br /><br />Please chris consult your inhouse lawyers and do a piece on this. With malice towards none.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-86302869990998730092010-08-12T01:20:50.690-07:002010-08-12T01:20:50.690-07:00Why did Molasses Raila give up on his illegitimate...Why did Molasses Raila give up on his illegitimate claim to Leader of Govt Business position?<br /><br />My guess is that he chicken out because he did not want to be humiliated when the pending motion to settle the matter came to the floor of the Parliament. RV MPs were salivating to teach him a lesson. What a coward, he denied us the drama on the House Floor. At this rate, the Molasses Thief might chicken out of the presidential elections fight!! I hope not. I want to get a chance to use my vote to retire the Thug to Bondo or Kibera in 2012.<br /><br />Now, Kalonzo gets the Parliament position without a fight. Could he be twice lucky and get to State House without a serious fight????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-75262458014491378222010-08-12T01:05:26.091-07:002010-08-12T01:05:26.091-07:00This forum is desperate for Mwarangethe's inpu...This forum is desperate for Mwarangethe's input.<br />Mwarangethe, where are you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-53023975954085686182010-08-12T00:56:24.772-07:002010-08-12T00:56:24.772-07:00True Kenyan style : your votes do not count
"...True Kenyan style : your votes do not count<br /><br />" The Catholic Church and umbrella body for protestant churches want the new Constitution opened up for amendments to address their grievances " <br /><br />They accept the verdict but they demands changes be made to suit them. In other majority decision has to be changed to accomodate them. you either believe in democracy or you dont - the people have made thier choice if you want changes collect a million votes and lets go back for another referrundum thats accorcing to the KATIBA that was passed. <br /><br />Please accept you lost and move on thats how democracy works , do they wantus to go to another referundum to vote for ammendments -Kenyans have voted and rejected the churches version - YOU LOST Please MOVE ON.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-56228560770837283892010-08-11T06:11:53.626-07:002010-08-11T06:11:53.626-07:00kwanza you think 6 million kenyans will agree to b...kwanza you think 6 million kenyans will agree to be led by 2 clowns who never believed in the new constitution but instead preffered to maintain status quo. kenya has changed my friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-54987831402038173402010-08-11T06:08:40.667-07:002010-08-11T06:08:40.667-07:00ati a ruto-kalonzo alliance? am tickled hahahahaaa...ati a ruto-kalonzo alliance? am tickled hahahahaaa... who will be the prezo and who will be the running mate between the two? and where will 25% in 2 provinces take these 2 selfish clowns? ama just like mutula, kalonzo is hoping ocampo pounces soon so that he can inherit the kale votes. SELFISH IDIOTS. Kwanza ruto is too busy worrying about the 40% who voted YES in his own constituency to be thinking about elevating some nondescript kalonzo who brings nothing to the table and yet hopes to be toshwad as the prezo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80698302772098624852010-08-11T03:44:31.787-07:002010-08-11T03:44:31.787-07:00Phil,
The new katiba has no pm post and therefore...Phil,<br /><br />The new katiba has no pm post and therefore no prescribed oath for pm. Will he take an oath? if so, have you devised one? Or is this why you are against ruto being sworn in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-24045694871514224272010-08-11T02:50:49.453-07:002010-08-11T02:50:49.453-07:00anon 10.08
Can you please read my comments again....anon 10.08<br /><br />Can you please read my comments again. Or just read the last sentence.<br /><br />I said, "What is important is the character of the leader and not age." A leader of good character can be from/of any age. I hope you get me now.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14320652530759368444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-9496930118307856012010-08-11T02:41:29.061-07:002010-08-11T02:41:29.061-07:00Raila's mob enforcers are busy campaigning tha...Raila's mob enforcers are busy campaigning that Kenyans who voted "no" in the referendum should be turned into pariahs. For example, chief ODM bouncer, Jakoyo Midiwo, is saying that none of those who voted "no" should be allowed close to any implementation of the katiba. Do they really want to turn 3 million Kenyans into pariahs? No wonder they openly say that if their man ever becomes president some communities of Kenya would cry in the toilet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-56148085155873873492010-08-10T23:37:37.883-07:002010-08-10T23:37:37.883-07:00Bring Kenyanlist.com back!!!Bring Kenyanlist.com back!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-56073975127758131532010-08-10T23:18:50.411-07:002010-08-10T23:18:50.411-07:00Chris, makau mutua, phil and the raila fan club ha...Chris, makau mutua, phil and the raila fan club have inundated us with messages of how raila has won big in this referendum. Is this really the case? Do you mean he has won the numbers to take him to state house? If so I dont think so. He has gotten his people to vote for the katiba proposed by pnu (read gema). The kalenjin considered this katiba to be against them. He therefore worked against kalenjin interests and cannot expect their votes. We know gema will not vote for him. So in the kenyan tribal arithmetic, which votes has he gained. The standard today reports there is an outpouring of love for kalonzo in kalenjin land. He is seen as having been sympathetic to their views. If this love can translate to votes, who then has really gained? To paraphrase G w bush I think kalonzo is often "misunderestimated". Raila is even reported today as having agreed to let kalonzo be LGB. Having lost rv mps he knows his claim to that post is untenable.<br /><br />Kibs cannot agree to let ruto & co to go. Their mps are a substantial block and will be needed to pass the necessary legislation. This is the reality, phil.<br /><br />I undrestand the president, vp and ministers are to be aworn in on 27th but not pm. I know the post of pm will continue until 2012 but the idea that pm will not be sworn in may be seen as a psychological loss for raila, especially since the whole of kibera will be at uhuru park. And you know this means kibs gets to be sworn in public as odm had demanded! <br /><br />There I want the rao fan club to show me in real numbers, power and prestige how rao has won. Remember kenya is tribe first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-71567103602883079362010-08-10T22:08:05.785-07:002010-08-10T22:08:05.785-07:00Phillip,
Are you saying there are no young untain...Phillip,<br /><br />Are you saying there are no young untainted leaders out there?<br />Pleeeeze, unless you keep the company of the corrupt, I know many outstanding young men and women who can make great leaders. <br /><br />I would say we go for an under 50 year old Kenyan for a change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-45070603295496498552010-08-10T21:55:43.986-07:002010-08-10T21:55:43.986-07:00Please read 'younger generation' and not &...Please read 'younger generation' and not 'younger generator' in my first paragraph. The later was a spelling mistake.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14320652530759368444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-34895302439947745782010-08-10T21:53:26.257-07:002010-08-10T21:53:26.257-07:00Ken
You should de-link yourself from the politics...Ken<br /><br />You should de-link yourself from the politics of 'younger generator', unless you want to become a beneficiary or you are also interested in politics with the campaign tag of "Younger Generation".<br /><br />I have several friends who are intending to run for MPs in 2012. Nearly all of them were involved in corrupt deals as officials of the student organisation. I'm sure there are people reading this who also know that student politics, even currently, is marred with corruption, whose difference with corruption in our current government cannot be easily discerned. The same is with tribalism.<br /><br />Good character and leadership is not at all related to age. During my final year in campus, I can bet Michuki could have run the student organisation better than most of the student leaders. These same student leaders are the ones who want to lead Kenya with the campaign tag of "Younger Generation". I can swear to you that God willing I will reveal corrupt involvement of some of them if they run for MPs. Furthermore Ruto, Jirongo, Wamalwa, Jimmy Kibaki, Fidel Odinga, Tony Gachoka e.t.c all say to be "Younger Generation". Do you think they can run this country better than the "Older Generation"?<br /><br />All in all politics of "Younger generation" is a hogwash. What is important is the character of the leader and not age.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14320652530759368444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-82589571902984280842010-08-10T21:19:52.907-07:002010-08-10T21:19:52.907-07:00What has become of Kenyanlist.com. Seems to be off...What has become of Kenyanlist.com. Seems to be off the air.<br />Now we are stuck with boring kumekucha with old hags who eat, drink and live politics.<br /><br />The only difference between kibaki and raila who are the daily source of antagonism here is their names. they are both old, sick and rich courtesy of moi making them ministers which was a source of corrupt deals...<br /><br />Guys, move on and get yourselves a day job!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-78028989681189048762010-08-10T17:11:06.400-07:002010-08-10T17:11:06.400-07:00Flipside, why not quit the victimhood mindset and ...Flipside, why not quit the victimhood mindset and join other Kenyans? The phantoom of kabila adui has been peddled since the petition to GB, it never grew wings. Come on step down from the superiority simpex, will you?<br />Raila owes nobody any apology.<br /><br />And oh, read your fears aloud, it is TRUE. Karibuni Kenya mpya.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-48280291566262715192010-08-10T17:09:48.670-07:002010-08-10T17:09:48.670-07:00Moses led the people of God out of slavery BUT NEV...Moses led the people of God out of slavery BUT NEVER stepped into the promised land. This task was left to his younger lieutenant Joshua.<br /><br />While we applaud the good work done by those who fought for our liberation and the enactment of the new constitution (Read Moses), its time to let God's will be done and let the younger generation (Read Joshua) lead the people of God INTO the promised land.<br /><br />Need I say more?Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03851005220829586928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91810817014092301402010-08-10T15:44:54.094-07:002010-08-10T15:44:54.094-07:00"New Oath of Office Will Be High Crime for An..."New Oath of Office Will Be High Crime for Anti-Constitution Ministers"<br /><br />This is the least sensible headliner I have read on KK. However, I will not blame the writer because what ails him of necessaity ails the majority of Kenyans who seem rather enamoured by the FORM some things take rather than the VALUES they represent. I guess that's what happens when you import things you dont really truly understand--you conflate form with function and the truly important conditioning factors remain elusive. So much for democracy in Kenya! What a farce.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-2958546364861301222010-08-10T13:35:22.361-07:002010-08-10T13:35:22.361-07:00Phil,
If Raila trully wants to have a decent chan...Phil,<br /><br />If Raila trully wants to have a decent chance at the presidency in 2012, he MUST find an appropriate occassion and go to Central (preferably Murang'a) and WITHDRAW the "kabila adui" words which he used to inflame the Kalenjins against the Kikuyus in 2007. While at it, he needs to go to Meru and explain away his 2007 threat that the Merus would cry tears if he came to power.<br /><br />Also, he needs to point out to the Kalenjins which community leaders he referred to in 2009-10as "takataka" who must be swept to the Indian Ocean. Again, while at it, he MUST tell the Kalenjins what criteria he used to disparage their leaders and where he derives his assumed authority to be the judge of who should be a Kalenjin leader.<br /><br />There is a growing concern that Raila would ultimately like to "Luonize" Kenyan politics. By that, his critics mean the politcal phenomenon prevelent in Luo Nyanza whereby nobody gets elected without kissing Raila's behind. His critics point at Raila's obssession at putting Mudavadi, his stooge, as the leader of Luhyas, and his failed two-year effort at installing Musa Sirma as the alternative (to Ruto) leader of the Kalenjins. The same goes for his attempts at putting Imanyara at the helm of Meru politics and Peter Kenneth in Central. <br /><br />The central point is that for Raila to be elected president in 2012, he must abandon his 2007 politics of threats, intimidation, demonisation, and manipulation. By now he should have realized that the cultures of some communities which comprise majority in Kenya do not respond well to these political tactics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-22886000739196617932010-08-10T09:11:03.743-07:002010-08-10T09:11:03.743-07:00After KATIBA MPYA what next? Don't tell us tha...After KATIBA MPYA what next? Don't tell us that it is now time for UCHAGUZI MKUU - 2012?<br /><br />Let us 'oath' the ministers, members of parliament, clergy and the rest of their gangs of followers, then roll onto the next business of the decade.<br /><br />Which is <b>gradual implementation of the Katiba Mpya and Kenya Mpya to the letter of the law</b>.<br /><br />OTH, Kenya police must be overhauled, not once but twice. It's high time the police force introduced two more training colleges around the country, far away from Kiganjo.<br /><br />Kiganjo is to blame for all the bad image the police has had for the last four decades, and the main reason why so many rotten bananas (apples) find their way through a philosophy of <b>"Ugaidini Kwa Wote"</b> rather than the time honoured tradition of <b>"Utumishi Kwa Wote"</b>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-8207644415762939982010-08-10T08:04:45.898-07:002010-08-10T08:04:45.898-07:00Breaking with the past:
After all the talk about ...Breaking with the past:<br /><br />After all the talk about "THE LEADERSHIP WE WANT” when the opportunity presents itself we buckle under instead of conclusively SETTING THE STANDARD of what we expect from decisions we make and entrust our leaders to follow and or implement on our behalf. We should not allow ourselves to be duped by well placed sound bites aimed to “Raila-lie” all important issues with the sole purpose of blurring our focus through inflaming negative passions. It’s worked in the past but it should not work post-katiba, let us learn to ignore the unconstructive critics and renew our focus on the issues facing THE NATION and not THE HOUSES. Am sure each one of you must have heard the poignant saying “empty DEBES make the most noise” for me it vividly reminds me of my favourite teacher and a couple of “stooges” I was in class with. Nothing personal against them, but at times they were real irritants.<br /><br />Regarding Katiba, the citizenry made a choice and they expect their decision to be implemented as is - with people who are on the SAME PAGE with them. The FACT remains that Kenyans spoke, borrowing from the most understood definition of democracy – the implementation of the new constitution should be guided by representatives of THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE who voted for it. The ideological opposition should be listened to but should have nothing to do with the decisions pertaining to implementation, they decided to put their interest first and they lost. They just have to live with the consequences to LEARN FROM IT. There will always be winners and losers that do not mean the winners cannot take care of the vanquished interest but i doubt the other way is true. That’s what dictatorship is all about.<br /><br />An unaccountable leadership since independence is what got us to the mess we are in Kenya today and in the dawn of a new Katiba and a new beginning its the duty of each and every individual to set His/Her standard that they want to be governed by. Acrobatic leaders are the last people we want - Leadership must be accountable and stand firm for his beliefs. I refuse to LOWER my standards. I want a new beginning – deceit with impunity should be something of the past and NOT REWARDED. Words and actions should mean something. The verdict “WE ARE KENYANS” [ that has never been in dispute] is not a substitute for disciplinary action –, leadership must always make a stand and live by their words. The bible reminds us “you reap what you saw” - I do not trust the NO LEADERSHIP to represent my interest WITHOUT PREJUDICE in the implementation of the Katiba, having said that I do not have any interest in stopping or refusing them to enjoy the freedoms that I will also enjoy as Kenyans under the new Katiba. What am I concerned about is the continuation of business as usual to pay their salaries with my tax shillings after a mammoth rejection by the electorate. They are free to represent their people in parliament but NOT the new Kenya Cabinet – Giving them the OATH of OFFICE will be the biggest betrayal second only to our first founding fathers.<br /><br />The era of CHAMELEONS<br /><br />You just cannot stand up kanisani and declare at the top of your voice that - you don’t support the matrimony of Mr Odhiambo and Miss Wanjiru when the pastor calls out for any objections. When your objections are exposed as unfounded you turn around and request to be the master of ceremony at the reception of Mr & Mrs Odhiambo, na isitoshe you also expect to be entrusted with the weeding presents while the couple are off for their honeymoon. Hiyo ni jana tu sana – aiwezekani ! Kenyans should put their feet down – it’s a new beginning. We should demand that our “leadership” stand by their words and deeds otherwise it’s the DUTY of all Kenyans to remind them and hold them ACCOUNTABLE. This should be an example that following you “chief” without question will only come back to haunt you.<br /><br />GOOD SPEED on the implementation of the NEW KATIBAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-49049773930728085662010-08-10T06:25:50.409-07:002010-08-10T06:25:50.409-07:00Some people never grow up!
Here I'm talking ...Some people never grow up! <br /><br />Here I'm talking about the Railaphobics - that crazy bunch of Kenyans driven by an IRRATIONAL, JUVENILE and very SILLY hatred of Raila which causes them to "see" and "introduce" Raila "everywhere."<br /><br />Will you twits - and twats grow up. It's time you twats outgrew this outlandish behavior of yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-60826714188592216482010-08-10T03:02:16.306-07:002010-08-10T03:02:16.306-07:00edu,
The review act has two results: referendum r...edu,<br /><br />The review act has two results: referendum results and final results. challenging the referendum results at the high court is allowed within 14 days after publishing the referendum results. final results under the new katiba are the results if no challenge is made or the reults after the challenge is resolved. Looks like muite and imanyara are no longer lawyers but just politicians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com