tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post4728740901731069747..comments2024-03-24T12:17:00.460-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Thank You Judge Krigler for Saving Kenyans from ThemselvesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80417219235516091122008-09-25T14:24:00.000-07:002008-09-25T14:24:00.000-07:00there is nothing that kreigler did that any indepe...there is nothing that kreigler did that any independent kenyan cannot do. the outcome of the comission is to reform ECK and this is what kenyan experts have been saying. Bure Kabisa kick this pale cracker out of the country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-75267290108107718802008-09-23T13:43:00.000-07:002008-09-23T13:43:00.000-07:00http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/ross-kemp-a-ken...http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/ross-kemp-a-kenya-special/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-7835581281930641912008-09-23T12:34:00.000-07:002008-09-23T12:34:00.000-07:00Urxlnc,Well said brother. We have been through thi...Urxlnc,<BR/><BR/>Well said brother. We have been through this discussion millions of times. It is time to move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-27045164276208445622008-09-23T11:45:00.000-07:002008-09-23T11:45:00.000-07:00The Script in last years election was written well...The Script in last years election was written well in advance. See, MK had known all along that ours is a political lie. We never go for elections, we go for a big SHAM. That Sham was there in 2002 only that the script was written then fell with the mood in the country. The script in 2007 was against the mood in the country. MK having been humiliated at the referendum had to do all that it took to stick to power. Of course RO knew this too well. Remember RO screaming at the top of his voice that its very hard to defeat incumbents, this after having seen what happened in Nigeria where his "friend" Olusegun had seriouly meddled in that election. At home MK was preparing the ground for the obvious, he had already replaced the ECK with a friendly outfit and all cries were being met with....MTADO? When RO saw he had been pushed between a rock and a hard place, he decided to call for assistance from one Dick Morris. Now, Dick has helped many countries in defeating incumbents. Just what remedy did Dick have for Kenya.......surprise, surprise. So, in as much as people died in this election, the script had been written. It will only take very courageous Kenyans to unearth the truth and bring the people involved to justice. But for the fragile peace that is there at the moment, that is now water under the bridge. The script continues...just different actors.Papihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08210565393334887075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-6671925284007943952008-09-23T11:15:00.000-07:002008-09-23T11:15:00.000-07:00taabui'll try to squeeze in my comment on the orig...taabu<BR/><BR/>i'll try to squeeze in my comment on the original topic of discussion<BR/><BR/>this Kriegler commission had me baffled right from the start. not being well versed with the many twists of legalese wasn't sure exactly what the mandate was, public perception or expectation was inquiry into fraud and rigging allegations but right from the start it didn't appear that way, both in the manner (as reported in the press) or conduct of proceedings where witnesses were either making recommendations on ECK commissioners and staff and the processes or enumerating flaws or airing frustrations they witnessed or heard (hearsay evidence). it is therefore not surprising and no wonder that the report is 80% recommendations on the way forward.<BR/><BR/>first off i did not expect any better because to conduct a forensic audit as initially expected (those in legal profession/law enforcement excuse my ignorance) this was an odd mix of skills. as i understand it there are at least three different phases in inquiries of this type.<BR/><BR/>first phase requires a team of detectives to follow the "leads" that these witnesses were tabling. these detectives would then ascertain if, when and where tampering of results or other types of fraud and gather appropriate evidence. by this i mean people such as Troon (of the ouko inquiry) or our very own highly able but often ignored and at times compromised expert detectives.<BR/><BR/>phase two is where attorney/lawyers dissect, mutilate, trash or otherwise sieve through the evidence compiled by the detectives to either defend ECK in this case or hang them out to dry<BR/><BR/>phase three is where magistrates (such as Kriegler) then summarise findings and arguments arising from the public outcry, subsequent investigations by the detectives, arguments by lawyers and their own esteemed observations.<BR/><BR/>now in this kriegler commission the process from where i stand was a shortcut drawn from public outrage/venting (including the various civic and professional bodies) to a ruling (recommendations) by the commissioners minus the quality or comprehensive detective work and analysis of arguments. surely we could not expect a judge to carry out investigations.<BR/><BR/>we need to stop our leaders from playing mind games with us, we all knew by mid january it would be impossible to carry out any meaningful re-tally or determination. but what we do know is that there are diligent detectives and forensic scientists out there that can follow leads and provide evidence that can paint a clear picture of how events unfolded. now IMHO spending several hundred million on such an exercise would be money well spent.<BR/><BR/>it is cheeky for kriegler to assert that this is not tax payers money because if it was money earmarked for kenya it could have been re-routed to another more worthy judicial activity (i.e its less Kshs from the donor kitty) if this money was not intended for kenya then there is no reason why a philanthropist wanting to give kriegler some cash should use kenya as an avenue or conduit which would be a type of corruption or money laundering<BR/><BR/>But anyway I agree, we've been down this road too many times this is a tired argument. we need to move on and press for constitutional changes and institutional reforms.<BR/><BR/>we should remember for constitutional change that kibaki way back in 1963 was in the team that drew up or the architects of the constitution of Kenya, and if in his shoes i could not possibly see why i should change the constitution but would wait till his term is about to expire then let others change it. i mean this is africa, radical changes to the constitution would mean admitting they did a shoddy job and that just doesn't happen.<BR/><BR/>anyhow folks am just musing aloud, hope those two guys that occassionaly visit this blog (mwaran'gethe and waweru and any of you in the know) who appear well versed with law and matters judicial can provide more meaningful insight on some of these matters, am trully curious<BR/><BR/>UrXlncAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-30690001792286213922008-09-23T08:51:00.000-07:002008-09-23T08:51:00.000-07:00Anon 7.45 Right of passage to manhood you have all...Anon 7.45 Right of passage to manhood you have all missed it completly. Its this lols from these tribes who have been cut by woman or monkeys who make a lot of kelele about cut. If one was cut traditionally, you action and deed should speak for you. Rao will have all luos cut, thus it make them men, from my tribal point no, same to those who were cut by nurses or monkey. Now day the world has change, we even allow our sisters and daughter to marry boy and accept their children as nieces and nephews. We do not consider tem as out cast. World d has moved forward. And Rao should not try win central province vote at the cost of luos fore shinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-67828897655306318112008-09-23T08:43:00.000-07:002008-09-23T08:43:00.000-07:00Anon@7:45please this is not a traditional rites di...Anon@7:45<BR/>please this is not a traditional rites discussion Forum-lets go the right place for the right thing- to circumcise or follow “kichinjoni" is not something to be decided here-gone are the days of roadside declarations. <BR/>we have doctors both witch and E.R.(Chriton) who can help in this matter<BR/>stick to the post at hand-Johann Saved Me-my testimony by A.Kenyan <BR/><BR/>free the cerebral cranium to do its job nduguAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-55546605635924282632008-09-23T07:45:00.000-07:002008-09-23T07:45:00.000-07:00Fellow nyi kwa Ramogi,Below is an article that has...Fellow nyi kwa Ramogi,<BR/><BR/>Below is an article that has been doing the rounds and eliciting some strong feelings from Luos. I have also copied some responses that I came across in another forum. I am interested in more sober opinions on this. Anybody game? Will parents here decide to circumcise their sons (luckily so far I have only daughters), or should some of us follow Oburu Odinga and go “kichinjoni?”<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>Charles<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>The Misleading Call for Circumcision<BR/>By Otieno Mbare, PhD (Research Fellow)<BR/>I would not have ventured into this sensitive debate if it did not have direct consequences for my children, the posterity of the Luo nation and other non-circumcising communities around the world. However, the debate has been fueled following a research that was carried out by some researchers in Kenya and Uganda and; consequently published in January 2008 in the BJU International. Had it not acquired political overtones that sought to authenticate an otherwise a lop-sided research whose methodology, validity, plausibility and veracity are in doubt, I would have not wasted my precious time debating it. Yet, this issue touches on the very nerves of the communities that are not practicing circumcision. It is an old time debate that has been misguidedly used to show cultural superiority and supremacy among different communities. The same argument has sadly been used to stigmatize, lower the image and undermine the culture of the Luo community. <BR/><BR/>Scientific research as evidenced in the Mexico conference has rejected that line of thinking as a dead-end research. It will further give a false hope that a cure has finally arrived albeit with devastating consequences to our society. It is therefore surprising that none other than my friend Hon. Raila Odinga (no disrespect intended!), who has suffered the wrath of these cultural purists, was the one who went out prescribing the new medicine for the “uncut”. This happened a few days after receiving with his in-laws from central Kenya. I will not question Hon. Odinga’s wisdom but this is a very sensitive cultural issue that a person of his standing in Luoland and Kenya in particular, cannot afford to discuss it casually they way he did. I understand people have started saying derogatively that “Luoland sasa ni kichinjoni” because the PM has said so! The endorsement for circumcision in the Luo nation is totally unacceptable!<BR/><BR/><BR/>I don’t intend to argue here that our culture is pure and superior. But, let me make it clear that there are certain cultural practices that need to be eradicated without legislation. Practices such as inheriting someone’s wife whose husband, probably died of aids and, other promiscuous habits. These are issues that have to be addressed and develop a common position not only for one community, but for the entire society. Abstention and regular use of the condom is the sure way out of the current HIV quagmire. This is what elected leaders should be advocating instead advocating for something which is meant to demean and portray our culture as inferior! It is for this reason that most members of the community have felt provoked by an assault directed at our culture. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Yet, the research is so hollow that there is no knowing whether the sample group and the control group had been subjected to a full-blown situation to validate their research finding! I do not want to dispute circumcision for those who are practicing it for it is seen as a rite of passage marking a boy’s entrance into adulthood. <BR/>Sometimes it was performed as a means of suppressing sexual pleasure, or used as an aid to hygiene where regular bathing was impractical. At other times, it is performed as a means of differentiating a circumcising group from their non-circumcising neighbors, as a means of discouraging masturbation, or to increase a man’s attractiveness to women, or as a symbolic castration. The Luos have since used and abandoned other cultural practices that marks the passage of a boy to adulthood. We have refused to embrace circumcision for various reasons; First, circumcision is not part of our culture. It is foreign! Second, our other objection which is supported by the existing literatures and research is that circumcision changes physical sensitivity in the penis of a man.<BR/><BR/><BR/>A 2007 study funded by an organization which opposes circumcision, and published in the journal BJU International, found a difference in fine touch sensitivity between men who were circumcised and those who were uncircumcised (such that circumcised men had less sensitivity to fine touch in all but one area of the penis). <BR/>This same study also compared the sensitivity thresholds at various points on the penis and concluded that the most sensitive part of the uncircumcised penis was more sensitive than the most sensitive parts of the circumcised penis. The authors argue that the parts of the penis removed by circumcision represent the most sensitive parts of the penis. Similarly, in a poll conducted by an anti-circumcision organization, 61% of men who were circumcised as infants reported decreased sensation over time, which they report resulted in sexual dysfunction.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And recently, a study by DaiSik Kim and Myung-Geol Pang on the “The effect of male circumcision on sexuality” found there was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings. I do not want to speculate that some high-level conspiracy has been hatched to render Luo men dysfunctional. I will simply stick to the issue which can be corroborated through the overwhelming existing body of knowledge concerning the matter at hand. Let me further buttress my argument by citing Erickson Paige 1978 article The Ritual of Circumcision, where she writes: “In the United States, the original reason for the surgical removal of the foreskin, or prepuce, was to control ‘masturbatory insanity’ (what the Luo would call, thelo-oyuma!) - the range of mental disorders that people believed were caused by the ‘polluting’ practice of ’self-abuse.’” And here, she describes “Self-abuse” as a terminology commonly used to describe masturbation in the 19th century. According to Paige, “treatments ranged from diet, moral exhortations, hydrotherapy, and marriage, to such drastic measures as surgery, physical restraints, frights, and punishment.But how was this conundrum conceived in the Bible. Because the Luo nation have always followed the bible and what was bequeathed to them by Ramogi at Go-Kwer! <BR/><BR/><BR/>The scriptures, which my late father, Jakwath Festo Mbare made his constant book of reference says that the Council of Jerusalem in Acts of the Apostles 15 addressed the issue of whether circumcision was required of new converts to Christianity. Both Simon Peter and James spoke against requiring circumcision in Gentile converts and the Council ruled that circumcision was not necessary. However, Acts 16 and many references in the Letters of Paul show that the practice was not immediately eliminated. Paul of Tarsus, who was said to be directly responsible for one man’s circumcision in Acts 16:1-3 and who appeared to praise Jewish circumcision in Romans 3:2, said that circumcision didn’t matter in 1 Corinthians 7:19 and then increasingly turned against the practice, accusing those who promoted circumcision of wanting to make a good showing in the flesh and boasting or glorying in the flesh in Galatians 6:11-13. In a later letter, Philippians 3:2, he is reported as warning Christians to beware the “mutilation”. These teachings and others reinforces the very beliefs we have upheld as a community.<BR/>Finally, the American Academy of Pediatrics (1999) stated “There are anecdotal reports that penile sensation and sexual satisfaction are decreased for circumcised males”. Boyle et al. stated that “the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endings—many of which are lost to circumcision. <BR/><BR/><BR/>They concluded, “Evidence has also started to accumulate that male circumcision may result in lifelong physical, sexual, and sometimes psychological harm as well.”<BR/>The caveat that I have to express is that circumcision has not, and will never be part of our culture. Who ever want to do it is free to do so without involving the community. But if you get circumcised, know that they are amputating your foreskin. One should be informed that the sensitivity that you feel, not only in that skin, but the surrounding tissues, including the glands, will be drastically affected and diminished. Researchers also allege that not only are the nerve endings gone with the foreskin, but remaining nerve endings are severed, blood flow permanently disrupted, and the shaft skin will be tight, possibly painfully tight. Several months after this, the sensitivity remaining will begin to fade, and will continue to do so. The warning to our people is, “Circumcision will damage your penis and your sexual ability; that’s what it does”.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Even the British Medical Association has reported that “there is significant disagreement about whether circumcision is overall a beneficial, neutral or harmful procedure. At present, the medical literature on the health, including sexual health, implications of circumcision is contradictory, and often subject to claims of bias in research.”<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>This is what we are getting. Raila through Oginga Odinga foundation got alot of money for the circumcision project hence the reason why they are promoting it. The wife of Prof Nyong'o was in Mexico to solicit for funds and thats why they are claiming to support it. But are they accounting for it. <BR/><BR/>Raila is just using Luos as Guinea pigs and will go to elections in 2012 and tell Kenyans that, 'you told me to circumcise them, I already did'. Thats just stupid and its not right and is proving to the Luos who Raila really is.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>Matunda, why do you want me to comment on this matter again when I had already my position very clear? Well, my position has not changed. It remains the way I expressed it here: http://majimbokenya.com/home/2008/08/20/kenyan-pm-railas-call-for-male-circumcision-is-harmful-misleading-and-disgraceful-warns-a-luo-top-researcher-in-europe/<BR/><BR/>And, it will not change! Let Raila entertain you guys by dancing on your ropes. The action is itself misleading; even the assertion that "I wanted to help my people" is reckless and dishonest. How can one assert without butting an eyelid that this is the community that has been infected and dying because of this disease? People have been dying of hunger in Luoland. The PM has not addressed those cases claiming that as PM he should not be seen to be leaning on Nyanza; harambees in Nyanza - the same argument yet he fundraise in other provinces! Was this circumcision thing much more important than development in Nyanza?<BR/><BR/>What we are not being told is how much Jaramogi Odinga Foundation got from donnors for this project. That the PM found it necessary to lead the crusade in person, tells volumes since this is something that should have been relegated to the minister for health and local elders to handle. The mere fact that Oburu who is almost senile was ecstastic about circumcision at his age when he has already had grand-grand children reveal the deceitful and sectret nature of this whole scam. By accepting and booking an early appointment next week with the 'butchermen', Oburu has, in effect confirmed to the world that he has been a philanderer. I will not fault Ayiecho Olweny in this matter since he once said of the constitution that since Raila had read it and found it bad, then, it was bad! I only have a problem with Orengo whom I once thought would stand up for the rights of his community. The way Orengo tried to hoodwink the Luos by narrating how he was cut yet his case is known in Luo parlance as natural "yuom" which Luos refer to deregatorily as "rayuom". That should have not been show cased before the prophets of doom who thronged Kisumu to mislead the Luo community. We are going to call upon all Luos around the globe to rise to the occassion and defend what is rightfully theirs! We shall buy space in the newspapers and sponsor Luo medical experts to the media to streamline this misconception. Leadership will not be attained through circumcision since no leader has ever used his dick think for his society!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-3561656589034842372008-09-23T06:43:00.000-07:002008-09-23T06:43:00.000-07:00Anon 6.03,I just finished talking to someone who w...Anon 6.03,<BR/>I just finished talking to someone who watched that documentary about Mungiki on Sky one and everyone seem to blame the Kenya government for allowing Mungiki to breed so successfully.<BR/><BR/>We should not have slums in the first place, I know the government from the previous to the current like to say slums are informal and illegal settlements, but why can't they build proper home for slum-dwellers? <BR/><BR/>Instead of arguing about who won the election we should be campaigning for proper social reforms which includes proper housing.<BR/>It's not fair for people to live in cardboard and tin housing while others are living in big houses with well manicured-flower decked gardens.<BR/><BR/>PS Knoppix, if that's the case, why don't you hire Sir Alex to coach Harrambee Stars. Won't you like to pride in YOUR OWN team?Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-81971464954208664422008-09-23T06:31:00.000-07:002008-09-23T06:31:00.000-07:00Kwale,hahahahhaha, i am normally not easily swayab...Kwale,hahahahhaha, i am normally not easily swayable to say the least.Whatever is going on is reminscent of the shenanigans in GOK.many souls are jumping ship but am in MAN-U to stay.<BR/><BR/>Personally i like and admire SAF because of his business like approach to football.We are talking about someone who has been Knighted no the average bloke of harambee stars.So maybe later but not anytime soon am in MAN-U.As a sidenote,do you notice the difference in the calibre of MAN-U supporters save for one Maina Kageni!!!!!!!MAN-U supporters are always calm and composed unlike other teams i have known save for the Liverfools!<BR/><BR/>Taabu,we can't dwell on luck,we need results,J.S Park did me proud before Kalou burst open my bubble,it was some awesome perfomance.I have not given up yet and i believe the good Sir will put up a good fight on or before his grandson's birthday.<BR/><BR/>Ivy as always lets try and employ empiricism as opposed to luck.But as Taabu always says,there is only one United!Man U oyeeeee!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Disclaimer!<BR/>Am not commenting on the current post coz the facts are way too obvious,tell me another.Knoppix!®https://www.blogger.com/profile/14484658617500845929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-47830061887146405032008-09-23T06:25:00.000-07:002008-09-23T06:25:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-30984699193484673422008-09-23T06:03:00.000-07:002008-09-23T06:03:00.000-07:00Read this if you can people. It is concerning a do...Read this if you can people. It is concerning a documentary that was aired on Sky TV UK. Its about the Kenyan thugs Mungiki.<BR/><BR/>I watched Mr kemp try very hard to understand Mungiki in weeks! Some of us have been trying to understand them since it began! <BR/><BR/>Although the well-dressed Mungiki leaders were trying to spin facts and present a face of liberators and not oppressors I don't think they succeeded in this mission! Mungiki is a terror group fulstop. They inflick terror in the souls of Kenyans then fleece them at will.<BR/><BR/>I mean, Mungiki comes as protectors then they behead several who try to defy them, then Mungiki enslaves its members! I saw all these in Ross Kemp's documentary! Mathare valley. Capture, conture, kill and then exploit! Dandora dump site... indoctrinate, capture kill, creat fears among them and then exploit them. (Remember the history of christianity and colonization of Africa? Gun on the right hand and Bible on the left?) Mungiki style!<BR/><BR/>This group could easily be studied for a PHD in sociology! I mean it! In sociology, if a people are poor few of them tend to exploit them. My sociology teachers would be very proud of the mungiki group leaders. And I bet that some of these boys are sociology major. <BR/><BR/>In a run-down economy, majority are poor but if a few are rich then there are 3 possibilities for the rich:<BR/>1. The rich worked so hard to get their wealth. Possible but not most probable.<BR/>2. The rich were corrupt and achieve their wealth unfairly. Very possible. Most likely.<BR/>3. The rich exploited the poor around them to get their wealth. Very possible. Very very likely and probable.<BR/><BR/>All these scenerios were played on Kemp's documentary. How do you explain the mungiki leaders in suites yet their members are rugged dandora dump site residents hooked to glue and other drugs. See No. 3 above!<BR/><BR/>How can you explain the wealth of Mungiki founder Njenga? A palatial home in Kitengela yet his members live in adject poverty? No. 3 above.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91262535405778690342008-09-23T05:53:00.000-07:002008-09-23T05:53:00.000-07:00Why is Raila suddenly making all this noise about ...Why is Raila suddenly making all this noise about circumcision? does it have some thing to do with the American Pharmaceutical company which manufactures circumcision kits which wants to set up shop in East Africa?<BR/><BR/>This has nothing to do with Health, it's all about the money.OThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680430417171798215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-98182231607607842008-09-23T05:37:00.000-07:002008-09-23T05:37:00.000-07:00Taabu I agree.Knoppix Kutangulia sio kufika.....Re...Taabu <BR/><BR/>I agree.<BR/><BR/>Knoppix <BR/><BR/>Kutangulia sio kufika.....Recall not mbali sana, just last season, the gooners (Arsenal Is Garbage - AIG) thought that they were on top of things.. To borrow Taabu's comments...Ole wao....RelaxIvyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322325173956927941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-30482893117633078182008-09-23T05:35:00.000-07:002008-09-23T05:35:00.000-07:00Taabu,KrieglerLeave the guy alone. Even in busines...Taabu,<BR/><BR/>Kriegler<BR/>Leave the guy alone. Even in business, an ailing company's managers always know which areas to fix. However, they always enlist 'outside' consultants to come in and tell them what they already know. We Kenyans know where the problem is. It is only us to solve it. This was his verdict. If we decide to go ahead and kill each other some more, one Kriegler cares less.<BR/><BR/>Man U<BR/>It is very difficult for one to learn from their success.JEFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12644468652659181686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-54874012184392889702008-09-23T05:32:00.000-07:002008-09-23T05:32:00.000-07:00Kwale,Are shopping for defectors? That is a queer ...Kwale,<BR/>Are shopping for defectors? That is a queer Kenyan mindframe to export to football don't you think so? Long teams you say? I guess Fulham/WH will do you just fine.<BR/><BR/>Now your slavery to nostalgia is confirmed. Gooners play good footie even now but FYI loyalty is priceless and unswapable. Maybe for you anything goes, enjoy.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-85286237073327576512008-09-23T05:13:00.000-07:002008-09-23T05:13:00.000-07:00Knoppix, pole sana. I don't normally like foot...Knoppix, pole sana. I don't normally like football but whenever I hear Man U are losing I rejoice. You have made my day! I used to be a gunners supporter back in the days of "Back Four"- Winterburn, Keown, Adams and Seaman and Ian Wright as the front man. Arsenal were so exciting to watching then (not that they are bad now) against Man U. It was more like a heavyweight boxing fight, always drama with bloody noses at the pitch and both managers (Wenger & Ferguson) constantly appearing at FA disciplinary hearings.<BR/>To avoid disapointments why don't you support a London team, they are many and some very good. Why Manchester?Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-43619390237358264532008-09-23T04:49:00.000-07:002008-09-23T04:49:00.000-07:00Knoppix,I hear you and your fears are founded. I w...Knoppix,<BR/>I hear you and your fears are founded. I will deliver your concern personally to SAF leo at OT and ole wao Middlesbrough. Whether it amounts to complacence or being TOO OLD and FAMILIAR to a taxing job where don't care all we want is ONE UNITED back. <BR/><BR/>Consolation: We don't know how to tangulia but leading we do because we arrive ahead of the pack. Faith is priceless and can be expensive, just ask Ivy. CR is back and all should be fine, take my word for it.<BR/><BR/>Don't get distracted by Man City. The honeymoon will soon be over just like Spurs is having the most painful divorce pending.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-84158618373978511362008-09-23T04:46:00.000-07:002008-09-23T04:46:00.000-07:00Taabu for once you hit a point, krigle commission ...Taabu for once you hit a point, krigle commission was to found what went wrong, uklweli wa mambo is that ECK was incompetent, the verdict t of his report is that there was no winner, yes using Solomon’s wisdom the old Afrikaans split the baby into half. If you IQ is above that of kivutu and kalozor you will know the sad mother is the true winner and those pleased with krigle report were the real losers + kaloozerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-61693168418576702212008-09-23T03:53:00.000-07:002008-09-23T03:53:00.000-07:00Taabu,Am a very upset person and not about your po...Taabu,<BR/><BR/>Am a very upset person and not about your post but about one united.Whats happening?We dont seem to move and dont tell me we began the same way last season.Its not about wishes here but actual perfomance.whats your take mate?<BR/><BR/>@Ivy,<BR/><BR/>Mambo,hope all finds you well.The best way to understand life is looking at it backwards!<BR/><BR/>Have a good afternoon.Knoppix!®https://www.blogger.com/profile/14484658617500845929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-3506318233200573512008-09-23T03:48:00.000-07:002008-09-23T03:48:00.000-07:00In 2001 President Mbeki had sent his minister of s...In 2001 President Mbeki had sent his minister of safety and security to accuse three leading members of the party of plotting to oust him. <BR/><BR/>The accused - former ANC secretary-general, Cyril Ramaphosa and two former provincial premiers, Tokyo Sexwale and Mathews Phosa - were among the party's most respected figures. <BR/><BR/>To this day there is no clear explanation of why these extraordinary charges were made. Nelson Mandela himself emerged from retirement to say that he held all three in "high esteem". <BR/><BR/>The Mail and Guardian newspaper commented at the time that it was a strategy worth of Joseph Stalin and said: "Many observers have dismissed the plot theories as a strategy to warn off potential competitors with ambitions to challenge Mbeki's leadership." <BR/><BR/>No evidence was ever led against them, no charges were laid and the matter was swept under the carpet. However, it was certainly not forgotten. <BR/><BR/>Today Mathew Phosa is the ANC Treasurer General, one of the top party posts. Cyril Ramaphosa and Tokyo Sexwale are members of the National Executive. <BR/><BR/>Their names, along with those of Zwelinzima Vavi, leader of the trade unions in Cosatu and Blade Nzimande of the Communist Party, have been cited in the South African press as among those who wielded the knife against Thabo Mbeki. <BR/><BR/>The political and the personal had come together. <BR/><BR/>...and that is how a party should work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-52905811750971172142008-09-23T03:43:00.000-07:002008-09-23T03:43:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Knoppix!®https://www.blogger.com/profile/14484658617500845929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-88264445769749944912008-09-23T02:12:00.000-07:002008-09-23T02:12:00.000-07:00Ivy,these things have a way of happening ask Taabu...Ivy,these things have a way of happening ask Taabu (man biting dog)<BR/><BR/>Taabu, leave Johann alone-South Africa is more developed than Kenya, uta do?<BR/>There are no winners or losers in Africa just bad votes and voters stupid<BR/>In Kenya we don't do winner/loser that is bar talk, COME LET US EAT TOGETHER<BR/>Kriegler like Annan has flown out of the country-kwani you are more man than them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-20387748001384692262008-09-23T01:14:00.000-07:002008-09-23T01:14:00.000-07:00The coaliy=tion government is in office illegally ...The coaliy=tion government is in office illegally given the verdict of Kregler.<BR/>I'm taking them to court to dissolve and hold fresh elections.This is the only way.Forget the violence we have to save democracy or else the future of leadwership in Kenya is at stake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-4328597906919399972008-09-23T00:56:00.000-07:002008-09-23T00:56:00.000-07:00You guy Damn....I am tired of some lines, i have r...You guy <BR/><BR/>Damn....I am tired of some lines, i have read them...Do words grow stale...blah....blah...<BR/><BR/>Some guys dont just get it right...Even in writting...LOLIvyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01322325173956927941noreply@blogger.com