tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post4249997428407495235..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Mungiki Killings: Last Signs of a Failed StateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-594895331672131822009-03-09T06:16:00.000-07:002009-03-09T06:16:00.000-07:00ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! ati washington has ...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! ati washington has offered its so called fbi services.<BR/><BR/>how about redirecting those same efforts to where they are much needed such as to their "long time friendly neighbours" in tijuana, mexico, where dead bodies keep on mounting on an hourly basis.<BR/><BR/>the so called "mungiki killings" are nothing more than 'mungiki-on-mungiki violence.'<BR/><BR/>can someone or a group of so called concerned kenyan people establish an internet site and name it <B>"justice for mungiki victims of state sponsored killings."</B><BR/><BR/>then start posting the pictures, names, and dates when the victims went missing or when they were presumed killed or when their bodies were found.<BR/><BR/>otherwise people are starting to get fed up with the usual village rumours and wild allegations from empty debes who have nothing better to do other than ride the "mungiki story" for all it's worth.<BR/><BR/><B>common on! this is 2009 and not the 1940s or 1950s, days when the colonial government got away with it</B>.<BR/><BR/>the concerned people of chile had the courage to post the pictures of their loved ones who had gone miising in the 1970s, hence i wonder why it has been so hard for their counterparts in kenya to do the same in 2009.<BR/><BR/>where is the evidence? where is the smoking gun? pictures are worth a million words.<BR/><BR/><B>where are the pictures of the missing mungiki young men? where are they?</B><BR/><BR/>500 or worse 800 dead bodies is a lot by any standards. so let's stop blaming the police force and establish some real evidence for a change.<BR/><BR/><B>the kenyan media and those concerned should put up the evidence or shut up the rumour mills.</B><BR/><BR/>idle gossip is a very cheap but dangerous currency in any given situation.<BR/><BR/>let's honour the dead, prevent more deaths, and continue to speak out for the dead mungiki young men by - <B>putting a name on a face of the departed</B>. <BR/><BR/>those who have been or may have been eleminated from our midst. let's see some justice done because the pictures of the victims are available from family, friends, id registrations files, mug shots etc.<BR/><BR/><B>let us put up the evidence or shut up the usual fat rumour mills</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57882246530140348782009-03-09T00:25:00.000-07:002009-03-09T00:25:00.000-07:00Central seems not to have learnt that grandsatandi...Central seems not to have learnt that grandsatanding public erections and chest thumbing will not get you anywhere, prior to 2007 elections they were busy with their erections and they cama a cropper.....that was a mere reaction now you don't want people planning for violence but that is what your progressively leading us too......<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sir AlexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-4752545969712935982009-03-08T14:36:00.000-07:002009-03-08T14:36:00.000-07:00how may bribes have you taken; I never meant a pol...how may bribes have you taken; I never meant a policeman who did not take bribes in Kenya...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-78220685708164782602009-03-08T11:50:00.000-07:002009-03-08T11:50:00.000-07:00Asa far as I know Kingara was a criminal dealing i...Asa far as I know Kingara was a criminal dealing in cheap neutral spirits and unstandardised alcohol beverages. The media cannot help to clean the image of a thug, tax evading bootlegger. His sister died during an armed robbery in Tanzania where Kingara was also a wanted man for various economic crimes.<BR/><BR/>As a law enforcment officer who knew the late Kingara's family well, I can only say good riddance. KIngara and his late sister deserved to be in prison. As usual I expect to receive choice explatives from the holy lot of you who claim to be human rights actvists, men choose better things to do, I have put my life on the line for the last 15 years to fight crime. That the judiciary frustrated our efforts to place kingara where he belonged does not mean we had no evidence! We had and still have it, Kingara died in the manner he lived, "There is no Honour among Thieves".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-46745980943625761302009-03-08T09:15:00.000-07:002009-03-08T09:15:00.000-07:00Obituary of GPO Oulu.I have learnt with heavy hear...Obituary of GPO Oulu.<BR/>I have learnt with heavy heart the death of my Nephew GPO Oulu. John is the son of my cousin Peter Oulu Seda of Kisumo Kadawa - Lwala Kadawa School - Kisumu Rural constituency.<BR/>John was the first born of Mama and Peter Oulu Seda. He comes froma very very very POOR family. He is the only child in their family to even set into a University! <BR/>Peter had only one hope for getting out of poverty. And that hope was GPO. The hope died when the assassins pumped bullets into John.<BR/>I have known GPO from his childhood but I last saw him in 2000 when he was a student at the University of Nairobi Kikuyu Compus reading Education. I moved out of Kenya and we lost contact.<BR/>This man comes from a so humble family that doesn't have a proper house! How GPO would have wanted to build a house for his family before these people cut his life shot.<BR/>Dear Kenyans I mourning the death of a nephew.<BR/>To GPO's family, our family has lost the only ray of hope for a better tomorrow. That bulet has taken you back to those sad out days when food was scarces! <BR/>RIP GPO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-53985236623715085872009-03-08T05:02:00.000-07:002009-03-08T05:02:00.000-07:00Kimi, Vikii and your fellow bigots,By the time we ...Kimi, Vikii and your fellow bigots,<BR/><BR/>By the time we are through with your people, you will not know what hit you. As it is, we dont consider them to be people . Real people have dignity and feel shame. Your people are animals. Your only protection is to speed reforms to ensure that the rule of law is brought back otherwise we will annihilate you. Your people are already afraid to admit that they are what they are. Your grandchildren will not even have a chance to breath.You can take this to the bank.<BR/>sisiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-58131089508579865752009-03-07T20:49:00.000-08:002009-03-07T20:49:00.000-08:00Kenya is well on it's way (right behind Pakistan) ...Kenya is well on it's way (right behind Pakistan) to becoming a failed state. A royally fucked situation. Obviously intervention is going to be necessary in and well before 2012.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10069339237322000422009-03-07T15:25:00.000-08:002009-03-07T15:25:00.000-08:00Mungiki should take it to the Mutuas, Saitotis, Al...Mungiki should take it to the Mutuas, Saitotis, Alis and Kiraithes. Assasination will be the norm in Kenya very soon, just wait and seeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-82650978954048961662009-03-07T15:14:00.000-08:002009-03-07T15:14:00.000-08:00Taabu, Is it not a shame you are stilling writing ...Taabu,<BR/><BR/> Is it not a shame you are stilling writing these crap posts while your 'friend' Kwale have moved on to big and better things? <BR/>FYI: I have known Kwale for more than 10 years and he is the only Kenyan I know of who attend at least 3 F1 Grand Prix in one season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-61946794218186523532009-03-07T12:13:00.000-08:002009-03-07T12:13:00.000-08:00I just found out Oscar Kamau King'ara was born the...I just found out Oscar Kamau King'ara was born the same day,same month and same year like me - 14 June 1971!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-86360844417762377922009-03-07T11:47:00.000-08:002009-03-07T11:47:00.000-08:00Kimi Raikonen,Vikii and the bigots,if u had any br...Kimi Raikonen,Vikii and the bigots,<BR/><BR/>if u had any brains, you would have already stopped talking about Raila and Luos becoz u have real problems.As it is, your fellow tribesmen are person non grata in most parts of Kenyan. The chest thumping is hurting you more than it helps. Never ever start something whose end you can't control.....<BR/><BR/>sisiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-3090312628697603602009-03-07T11:38:00.000-08:002009-03-07T11:38:00.000-08:00So much hatred of fellow Kenyans! When will we eve...So much hatred of fellow Kenyans! When will we ever stop? The origins of Mungiki are well known but the former regime (and this one too!!) let it out of control. Every day the police collect millions from Matatus (especially upcountry), same as Mungiki. In Nairobi they must be collecting on behalf of the police. What amazes me is that they are well known. This problem will only be solved once we have a mass transport system running.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-59835873311377273112009-03-07T10:44:00.000-08:002009-03-07T10:44:00.000-08:00The tribal rants on this forum are childish and di...The tribal rants on this forum are childish and disappointing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-33975810553239005582009-03-07T09:20:00.000-08:002009-03-07T09:20:00.000-08:00"How do you expect Raila to be collectively respon..."How do you expect Raila to be collectively responsible for..."<BR/><BR/>Well, that's the point once again. I do not expect him to be responsible for ANYTHING. He really never has been and he never will be.Vikiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12856714528491258384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-28641238177416641452009-03-07T07:48:00.000-08:002009-03-07T07:48:00.000-08:00Murder most foul.And the list grows, but this time...Murder most foul.<BR/><BR/>And the list grows, but this time, it appears someone has bitten more than they can chew.<BR/><BR/>So much for having one wife and known children. So much for having a miraculous principal assistant and so much for fearing a flight to geneva, because a good number of us dont have visas. So much for having trigger happy cops!<BR/><BR/>Am happy and very proud at how the Kenyan 7-a-side team has played at the Sevens World Cup. An amazing upset beating world champions FIJI before bwoing out in the semis. WoW!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006931396497105956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-49331979071333672972009-03-07T07:46:00.000-08:002009-03-07T07:46:00.000-08:00Vikii. You rants are useless. You are myopic and d...Vikii. You rants are useless. You are myopic and does NOt see beyond you tribal myopia and selective amnesia.<BR/>Raila is in charge of Coordination and supervision. If we are to believe that there is a GCG, then his part of the gova should be informed of what the "Government" he is suppose to supervise and coordinate is doing!<BR/>This post of yours is pure misplaced ignorance if not tribal hatred.<BR/>There is something in the government called Collective responsibility. How do you expect Raila to be collectively responsible for Mutua's oral diarrhoea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23497963090428241942009-03-07T06:57:00.000-08:002009-03-07T06:57:00.000-08:00And that's exactly my point if you cared to read m...And that's exactly my point if you cared to read my first comment. We should be demanding that Mutua SUBSTANTIATES his allegations or at least names the provider of the classified information the govt has. That's my point. But it appears to me that you guys have already drawn a conclusion that there is no truth whatsoever in those allegations. If you really are objective then you should join me in questioning the strength of such conclusions. On what basis, Papa Plus, are you so convinced of ulterior motives on the part of government?<BR/><BR/>Just like you are not accusing Mutua, I am not defending him. All I am speaking against is is a mob mentality that has a real potential of completely replacing sound reasoning. Let's explore all the possibilities here instead of rushing to crucify someone just because some politician has failed to extract sycophancy from him.Vikiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12856714528491258384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-71733504844032110812009-03-07T06:41:00.000-08:002009-03-07T06:41:00.000-08:00C'mon Vikii don't be like that, it's saturday.I to...C'mon Vikii don't be like that, it's saturday.<BR/><BR/>I told you a long time ago that I trully do value your point of view. What is there to learn from someone with the same point of view as myself?<BR/><BR/>Just to make it clear, am not blaming Mutua for any killings or what not. I don't think he has the brains or the guts for that. What am saying is that his office is important especially for a president who is relatively mute. But it is careless and irrisponsible to haul unfounded accusations from such a podium. We should respect the state house and office of the president by qualifying what we say and what we mean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-54463692239401866612009-03-07T06:34:00.000-08:002009-03-07T06:34:00.000-08:00Papa Plus, I do not want to waste time on someone ...Papa Plus, I do not want to waste time on someone as 'objective' as you. That's a league I refuse to play in.Vikiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12856714528491258384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13233510153612545532009-03-07T06:24:00.000-08:002009-03-07T06:24:00.000-08:00Vikii,Someone asked you a questionWhy didn't the G...Vikii,<BR/><BR/>Someone asked you a question<BR/><BR/>Why didn't the GK arrest this group if Alfred Mutua accused them of "alledgedly" fundraising and supporting their illegal activities?<BR/><BR/>Just because Mutua says it is so, does not mean it is fact. And he being in GK should have followed that up by telling us that investigations have reached this stage and arrests will follow.<BR/><BR/>It is very unprofessional to stand on the state house podium and just payukapayuka ovyo ovyo about matters of state security as Baba wa Taifa Moi aptly put it. Kila mtu anapayukapayuka hata hakuna gunia ya kuweka mambo yayo yote!<BR/><BR/>A true soap opera of a banana republic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91121831422707435132009-03-07T06:22:00.000-08:002009-03-07T06:22:00.000-08:00no, oscar came from a well off family...maybe that...no, oscar came from a well off family...maybe that is why he had a mercedes....see below...this is what karl marx called class suicide...?? <BR/><BR/>http://nairobichronicle.wordpress.com/<BR/><BR/><BR/>After graduating with a law degree, Oscar joined the family business that was involved manufacturing, meat and fish processing, real estate, import/export and sale of building materials within Kenya.<BR/><BR/>He planned to marry, have children, then live happily and quietly ever after. However, fate had other plans in store for him.<BR/><BR/>In 1996, Oscar experienced the injustices perpetuated by the state through a policy of destroying local industries for the benefit of multinationals. The government issued a statement meant to ensure that fish exports from Kenya were stopped. Oscar wrote in his website that the decision was, “aimed at punishing people from Nyanza province who were perceived by the KANU government to be anti-establishment. The policy was (Siasa mbaya maisha mbaya) meaning, “bad politics equals bad life.”<BR/><BR/>The government suspended fish exports to the European market, forcing Oscar to close down a multi million dollar factory in Kisumu that was processing and exporting fish. This first hand experience of high handed impunity by the state was an eye opener and Oscar realized how justice is hard to get especially for the vulnerable poor.<BR/><BR/>one day state house road ought to be renamed Oscar Kamau Kingera road<BR/>for his good works...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57264674043560635282009-03-07T06:19:00.000-08:002009-03-07T06:19:00.000-08:00Mwarag'ethe,You are wasting your time trying to pr...Mwarag'ethe,<BR/>You are wasting your time trying to present an objective arguments to folks who only understand subjective issues. Common sense as they say is rarely common.<BR/><BR/>Being Kenya, by the time this issue is investigated and debated, one will be hard pressed to even remember how and where to start. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Mutua mirrors his bosses attitude. One of arrogance and unprofessional and lacking respect for the office of the presidency. With all the challenges facing Kenya, the president calls a press conference flanked by his wife to dress down the press and address rumors about his marital status. <BR/><BR/>Is that really on the top ten priorities of issues that need adressing?<BR/> <BR/>There is a laise faire attitude that permeates the GK. A true banana republic. And there are many here who unfortunately are unable to think outside that box.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57614131588088437662009-03-07T06:08:00.000-08:002009-03-07T06:08:00.000-08:00Mwarang'ethe, you always come up with some very in...Mwarang'ethe, you always come up with some very interesting 'arguments'. Who the hell has talked about legal representation here? Even suspected al-qaeda adherents deserve legal representation. Nobody needs to go to law schol to be "taught" that it's not criminal for a lawyer to represent a murderer. But that's not the argument here, my friend. Alfred mutua did not blame the Oscar Foundation or the slain guys for REPRESENTING mungiki; he accused them of fundraising and nurturing their illegal activities. I do not need to remind you that mungiki are an outlawed group.<BR/><BR/>So get off that pedestal of little legal debates and focus on what Mutua said and tell us what is wrong with it. I dont regard you as smart just because you know that even Osama bin Laden should be accorded the priviledge, actually right, to legal representation--we all know that.<BR/><BR/>About your position that Alfred mutua and the government "should have arrested" these guys, first, it's not Mutua's job to arrest suspects. I thought you knew that. But keep in mind that he said the government will be doing just that. Now you cannot tell me there is anything wrong with the government issuing threats to suspects. Divorce emotion from this and acknowledge that just as it is possible that they were killed by police officers, it's also possible they were killed by the very same mungiki "they represent". It's also possible they were killed over some business deal gone sour. WE-DO-NOT-KNOW. Assuming government's involvement in the murder just because they issued a statement attacking the activities of the foundation is plainly dumb. <BR/><BR/>Kings Manyuon,first I am tired of this "Vikii you are eloquent, but..." nonsense. I am not looking for accolades here, so dont start telling me why you read my comments. What I want you to do when you chose to read them is to point out the exact argument lines you dsagree with and why. I will be happy to debate those with you.<BR/><BR/>So now since you have chosen to accuse me of defending police actions, will you please quote the exact words I used in 'my defense' of them? I did not even know these guys were killed by the police, but you do. That is why we cannot argue when you have access to information I do not have. We cannot argue when you already know who killed them. As for 2012, is Mutua running for office? What I am trying to tell you is that your arguments are weak, very much so, sir.Vikiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12856714528491258384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-33822404361827045902009-03-07T05:41:00.000-08:002009-03-07T05:41:00.000-08:00Can any of the arrogant busybodies now shouting th...Can any of the arrogant busybodies now shouting themselves hoarse, including that opportunistic idiot called Raila, offer proof that Mutua was involved in killing those two?<BR/> If Mutua's media statement is the basis of the claim, then in the same token, Raila should explain why he insisted that maize worth 300m should be released into the market inspite of being inspected by the Govt Chemist and KEBS and being found to be contaminated with aflatoxin. Now it has disappeared from Grain Bulk Handling, a Msa port based company associated with Raila, and this after Public Health Minister Beth Mugo had ordered it be shipped back to SA. Why did Raila contract a private company to carry out another inspection AFTER KEBS,the authorised Govt inspector, had made a decision? On what basis did he overrule KEBS, unless it was personal interest?DOES THIS NOT MAKE RAILA THE THIEF AND POTENTIAL MASS MURDERER, if we use the same standard of accusations as directed at Mutua? <BR/>Now amid the misplaced anger over the killing of some naive civil society types who thought you could cohabit with Mungiki without being burnt, Raila sees an opportunity to revive an exhausted ODM and get richer at the same time. Wow! He must think people are really stupid, but many of us can STILL SEE the carefully hidden conman he is.<BR/>Commish Ali has promised to avail a report in a months time or so on how some civil society groups have been receiving donor funds and passing on said funds to Mungiki, and suddenly today there is defeaning silence, why?! Kenyans need to beware of thieves bearing alms, ALWAYS!Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-39428492292174614112009-03-07T05:39:00.000-08:002009-03-07T05:39:00.000-08:005:24 AM,Can you tell me any investigation ever don...5:24 AM,<BR/><BR/>Can you tell me any investigation ever done in kenya both by the locals or foreigners that has ever successed?<BR/>Does that means everytime we have a problem we should rush to the white man for solutions? Does white man have magical powers to solve problems or are they intellectally superior to us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com