tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post4240201242964994986..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Battle Lines Drawn... AgainUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-59610214867042422042008-04-04T02:29:00.000-07:002008-04-04T02:29:00.000-07:00There's an open thread at KenyaImagine about this ...There's an open thread at <A HREF="http://www.kenyaimagine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1292&Itemid=141" REL="nofollow">KenyaImagine</A> about this thread.Daniel Waweruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03823498765657620266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-72741315245701163862008-04-03T00:50:00.000-07:002008-04-03T00:50:00.000-07:00I would love to sympathise with Njoroge but I can'...I would love to sympathise with Njoroge but I can't, this is why, If kenyans were just a bunch of thoughtless haters of kuyos then kebaki would not have gotten elected for the first time. That is the clearest indication that we are a progressive people. Kibaki and unfortunately just about every njoroge I know started behaving as if kenya was exclusively theirs. kenyans then counterd by voting kibs out in a free and fair election,according to the law of the land. When kibs tried to deny them that you must understand their anger 40 plus yrs of waiting to exhale the being cheated that is worse than murder. Take the KCSE for example many Luos kambas kisiis, luyhas kales future have been screwed by the attempt at one tribe to dominate the rest, then jobs, some clans have one principal bread winner imagine that guy denied an opportunity to earn a living cause the job is given to a kuyo the efect is worse than murdering that whole clan. Systematic 'finishing' nyanza,ignoring remote parts of kenya ammounts to crimes against humanity what happened to a few kuyos in one week pales in comparison to what kibaki gov as done to the rest of kenya in the past five yrs. You guys declared a 'Smart' war on innocent kenyans who gave one of your sons an appotunity to lead us all. Now your crying about your war casualties. I feel nothing. All is fair in love and war. Try and all inclusive plan then see what a nice counrty you will live in kenyans demonstrated that they want to work with you thats why raila said kibaki tosha and kenyans agreed. Just go back there and lets start again.<BR/><BR/>Sir AlexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-49350836802856443792008-04-02T15:14:00.000-07:002008-04-02T15:14:00.000-07:00CNN - Anderon Cooper 360 - had a Report on Darfur ...CNN - Anderon Cooper 360 - had a Report on Darfur which was called 'Africa's Misery - the World's Shame".<BR/><BR/>I would like to change this to "Africa's Shame - Kenya's Misery".<BR/><BR/>But I still have some hope..... because I still do want to give up hope that 'our' leaders finally understand that they are responsible for the fate and lives of millions who have put their hopes in voting for them ..... no matter which party ..... and which tribe .... they trusted you because they all felt being Kenyans .......<BR/><BR/>So don't - and I plead with you from the bottom of my heart - don't let them down.<BR/><BR/>MBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-11993962997146063292008-04-02T14:40:00.000-07:002008-04-02T14:40:00.000-07:00At least I am in agreement with Anon@12.56 that em...At least I am in agreement with Anon@12.56 that emphasizes my earlier response to Anon@1159 (Njoroge). My piece did not in anyway suggest that Njoroge doesn't have my sympathy. On the contrary I saw Njoroge's case as part of the many painful cases kenyans from all walks of life have gone through in the name of supporting this or that side of politics.<BR/><BR/>We need to appreciate the fact that Kenya desperately needs voices of people like a mr. njoroge so that we can bring to a stop this political mischief that has brought suffering to our people. The fact that you still look at my piece as being tribal is not helping Njoroge's cause but you continue to perpetuate his suffering. By the way we need as many 'njoroges' as possible. If you know that you are supporting the status quo of politics you are the people that I am referring to here. We are calling upon you to come out in the open and recognize that the Kenyan political STATUS QUO is the enemy of the people and not you or me.<BR/><BR/>To Anon@11:59- Njoroge my apologies. I didn't mean to disparage your plight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-24952810576597063882008-04-02T14:21:00.000-07:002008-04-02T14:21:00.000-07:00Anon 9:56 AM ---- Anon 10:38 AM ------ Anon 11:59 ...Anon 9:56 AM ---- Anon 10:38 AM ------ Anon 11:59 AM -----<BR/><BR/>that's me.<BR/><BR/>But believe me, I felt every word I said.<BR/><BR/>MBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-26909003174577917072008-04-02T14:18:00.000-07:002008-04-02T14:18:00.000-07:00Pole Njoroge and any body with a heart would. That...Pole Njoroge and any body with a heart would. That said and at the risk of inviting cheap emotional epithets you are looking for the right thing in the wrong place. The last time I checked Kumekucha is yet to engage Dr. Frank Njenga.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-35057326822609684732008-04-02T12:56:00.000-07:002008-04-02T12:56:00.000-07:00AntonioYou are Njoroge, stop playing the silly PNU...Antonio<BR/>You are Njoroge, stop playing the silly PNU games here!<BR/>We can see the bullshit, we can smell it too<BR/>I wish you could comment on true start of the crisis by looking at the last 5 yearsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-83329384117886674372008-04-02T12:54:00.000-07:002008-04-02T12:54:00.000-07:00Njoroge,I am sorry about what happened to you.At l...Njoroge,<BR/><BR/>I am sorry about what happened to you.At least you have brought to fore the human angle to this story which is what i have been trying to do all day.<BR/><BR/>The hate,been blinded by politics and ethnicity is amazing in this blog and its only here you find people justifying murder just because its done by 'their side'!<BR/><BR/>I hope that one day Kenyans will unlock their potential and stop been held hostage by politicians who are very self-serving.I hope we will realise that when/as we fight the bigwigs are geting richer and richer as they fuel our hate.<BR/><BR/>Anyone reading this blog today will be amazed by the bile and hate.Now imagine if we are the so-called middle-class intellectuals who are so ready to kill,how easy is it to brainwash the peasant in the village??????<BR/><BR/>God save Kenya!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03080295883730384004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-8958051883368524102008-04-02T12:29:00.000-07:002008-04-02T12:29:00.000-07:00I know that this is out of topic but I am so pertu...I know that this is out of topic but I am so perturbed that I need to post it! Please read this............ and reply me! Are we?<BR/>Kenya has always been in the forefront of actions and activities in Africa. During Arpatheid in South Africa we were at the forefront calling for the liberation of our brothers and sisters from the yokes of the Boers. We are a power centre north of Limpopo.<BR/>Our airline - Kenya airways has the logo: Pride of Africa! But I wonder if we are pride of Africa anymore! Events of recent years, months, Weeks and days have knocked all our pride and we should instead be the Shame of Africa!<BR/>I have been ashamed this week when some white British colleagues at work told me that Mugabe was about to do a 'Kibaki' in his country! But they wondered if Zimbabweans would do a Kenya down south!<BR/>I am sorry, this type of association does not make me proud of being Kenyan one bit! It is very shameful that we are nolonger known for our athletic and tourism prowesses but for exporting rigging mulpractices!<BR/>Ngai where shall I hid my shame from my colleagues! We are in deed shame of Africa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80516425515615780852008-04-02T12:26:00.001-07:002008-04-02T12:26:00.001-07:00The problem with Kenya is that we have a dictator ...The problem with Kenya is that we have a dictator in office (an aesthetically challenged one at that).Well, I can not get over that...<BR/> <BR/>Dictators rule by propaganda and the use of totally obscure, pieces of information encapsulated in a slimy layer of verbose crap, with the intent to provide not an answer but only provide total befuddlement.(The more alert reader might notice that I just did that). <BR/>I am not a Kalenjin, My defense of the gentleman is not based on any tribal affiliation. My defense of William Samoei is based on simple reason. EVIDENCE. When it comes to Ruto, I need one thing, solid evidence. And, if there is evidence of his participation in crime why nearly 4 months later? The demonization of Ruto is part of a strategy of keeping him from one day assuming the leadership of Kenya. Ever wonder why athletes around Eldoret were wrong accused of masterminding violence? well so that anybody is western Kenya who offers challenge to the status quo is quashed.<BR/>So I will say this once more, William Samoei Ruto, remains a hero of mine. I rest easy knowing he is on my side of the divide. Unless proved otherwise, I support him. <BR/>I offer this hypothesis the red-eyed minister of LG is directly responsible for the Naivasha Killings...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-35236298263564468872008-04-02T12:26:00.000-07:002008-04-02T12:26:00.000-07:00seconded anonymous 12.16...anonymous 11.59 that wa...seconded anonymous 12.16...anonymous 11.59 that was uncalled for!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23052617427400422772008-04-02T12:16:00.000-07:002008-04-02T12:16:00.000-07:00Anon 11:59 ----- 'relieve yourselve of your suffer...Anon 11:59 ----- 'relieve yourselve of your suffering? .....<BR/>Is this all you can say? <BR/><BR/>This 'Njoroge' has opened his heart to all of us - and that's all we can reply to him: just shut up and relieve yourself?<BR/><BR/>Is this the Kenya we want? A country disregarding the plight and suffering of his people?<BR/><BR/>Or is the reason for your cruel reply that fact that he has presented himself as 'Njoroge' - a Kikuyu? In other words: he belongs to 'the other' tribe and therefore 'deserves' to suffer?<BR/><BR/>If this is true - then shame on all of us.<BR/><BR/>Njoroge - whoever you are - believe me, there are others than this Anon 11:59 - <BR/><BR/>There are thousands and even millions feeling your pain. Don't give up and continue telling us about you. Maybe this could help you to find peace because, believe me, there are many more who have suffered the same way you did. <BR/><BR/>We are on your side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-86343423026342563182008-04-02T12:14:00.000-07:002008-04-02T12:14:00.000-07:00This year will be a really long one for Kenya. As ...This year will be a really long one for Kenya. As a nation, we have seen, heard and experienced what we have never in our lifetimes. Yet, as the peace accord was being signed, I thought we can start afresh. When both the PNU and ODM suddenly reached out to each other. Was I naive to think we can do better as a country and that it's only a matter of time and we shall show Africa the way? Only God knows. I am a very saddened man indeed. As Kenyans continue to suffer in the IDPs, others have suddenly become orphaned, many more have to trek from Muthurwa to town, and yet the majority are suffering from inflation, our leaders are only happy to play games. If this is not a curse being invited on a nation then I don't know what is. But God should forbid, not judge the whole country by the deeds of a few. This world is a very BIG place and every country is fighting to be ahead of the next. China is now scouting the whole os Africa for resources, Europe and U.S too, yet the U.S is also heavily present in the middle East. While these guys are busy doing these, positioning themselves for competitive advantage, Kenya and Zimbabwe are there.......embroiled in self-destructions. God forbid.<BR/><BR/>RhymmemasterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-68011736360867490232008-04-02T11:59:00.000-07:002008-04-02T11:59:00.000-07:00Anon@11.05 - NjorogeI am surprised that you are as...Anon@11.05 - Njoroge<BR/>I am surprised that you are asking yourself why the common man suffer on behalf of the big men?<BR/><BR/>Please be informed that you are the answer to your problems!!! Until and unless you come out in the open in opposition to their wayward ways I assure you you will continue experiencing the agony and pain that has befallen you poor soul.<BR/><BR/>The choice is yours!! Do not get me wrong here, I am campaigning for any side because I don't subscribe to any. One thing that I know is that all politicians are the enemy of both my neighbour and myself. <BR/><BR/>In other words what I am saying Njoroge is that a Kenyan politician is neither on your side nor on mine. Do you get it that we share a common destiny? Wake up and relieve yourself of your suffering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-84989329712079962082008-04-02T11:05:00.000-07:002008-04-02T11:05:00.000-07:00Am njoroge - i did not rig the elections and i hav...Am njoroge - i did not rig the elections and i have never taken any ones land. My father and brother died on 30th and my mum is still at Kenyatta hospital as i write. I have read all the responses and am just alarmed. The hate i see in this blog is just too much - if our destiny was death, so be it. Otherwise why should the common suffer while the problem is those big men. This is misplaced anger. I live it all to your concsience!!!!!!!!! hate is unGodlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-34292472611022741192008-04-02T10:50:00.000-07:002008-04-02T10:50:00.000-07:00e-bang e-bang e-bang-e bhangi?sorry, started e-sho...e-bang e-bang e-bang-e bhangi?<BR/><BR/>sorry, started e-shooting indiscriminately at all the nonsense and suddenly the sounds started to sound like something some fellas here smoke before hitting any key to continueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23819589249066521102008-04-02T10:38:00.000-07:002008-04-02T10:38:00.000-07:00Somebody here said that the law protects somebody ...Somebody here said that the law protects somebody until he is proved guilty. Although this is right - it is not in Kenya at least not upto this very moment. We all know this. People have been implicated for murder, corruption, fraud etc. - but no Court has ever condemned them. On the contrary they walked out as respected men - continuing being 'honourable' MP, Ministers and even President. This is something else which has to change: the legal system. Judges and Prosecutors have to be independent and not 'obeying' to the President and/or Prime Minister. The legal system in Kenya is rotten and only serves the poor whereas the big fishes continue murdering, corrupting and looting. In other countries a MP, Minister and other Official has to step down as soon as he is implicated for a crime - this is how it should be in Kenya too. And if this would be applied, the major part of the current Government would already be out of job (to be fair, also some of the Raila-team) - would this not already solve the problem how to build a lean and clean Cabinet?<BR/>There are some 'learned' lawyers around (some of them even MP's). Get them to work this out: An independent Jurisdiction - and all problems are solved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-52147309032491892822008-04-02T10:13:00.000-07:002008-04-02T10:13:00.000-07:00We cannot as responsible citizens continue to supp...We cannot as responsible citizens continue to support all and any perpetrators of the post election violence. Ours is a society with both spoken and unspoken divisions, which continue to impede the progress of our nation. We should all learn from the peace provisions, and work to ensure that our government comes to gain the respect of the international and panAfrican community. Although the means of excluding Honorable Ruto are incorrect, we cannot continue to interpret our laws as they should be, but as they are. The legal minds of our community must educate the populace on the legal requirements for exclusion from government, or the means by which we can ensure that rule of law becomes a the norm and not the exception in our great country. We can stumble but we must not fall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-53908163163406251602008-04-02T09:56:00.000-07:002008-04-02T09:56:00.000-07:00Why are you all shouting here? Did not even Raila ...Why are you all shouting here? Did not even Raila recognize Kibaki as His Excellency, the President of Kenya and he becoming Prime Minister? Forgotten - they signed the Agreement recognizing each other's position? So how does it come that certain people continue discussing the legality of the elections? This subject is past and forgotten, at least by the mainplayers involved. Building the Cabinet, that's the question right now. And here I agree that most of them have dirted their hands - some before, some during the Elections and some after the Elections. None of them is clean - from the top to the bottom. So calling for a clean Cabinet is a joke since there is nobody around (unless you take some untainted new MP's) - calling for a lean Cabinet should be discussed here and how to solve this problem. Throwing insults at each other is not getting us anywhere. We are only continuing the fights we have all promised never to repeat again. So why are you going back to the question: are you a Kikuyu, so I as a Luo can kill you - and vice versa? Not to forget the Kalenjins and Luhjas. Stop please this ridiculous nonsense and start using your brains to find a positive way how to go together into a better future. All of us together, no matter where we come from. This is the lesson we all should have learned during the past weeks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-72493166656227068642008-04-02T09:43:00.000-07:002008-04-02T09:43:00.000-07:00Waeru, is there something in the constitution that...Waeru, is there something in the constitution that compels the gov't to use live rounds for some selected citizens and rubber bullets to others?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-70338115007117427812008-04-02T09:22:00.000-07:002008-04-02T09:22:00.000-07:00kumekucha, thanks for opening the forum at least m...kumekucha, thanks for opening the forum at least many views were posted and it is a very interesting read!! made my day- I'm looking forward to tomorrow's topic and the keyboard out and tapping away:):)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-31240440772697377512008-04-02T09:12:00.000-07:002008-04-02T09:12:00.000-07:00Blogger Daniel Waweru said... anonymous,I DISA...Blogger Daniel Waweru said...<BR/><BR/> anonymous,<BR/>I DISAGREE YET AGAIN- WHEN A PRESIDENT IS SWORN IN ILLEGALLY THEN HE HAS NO RIGHT TO USE THE STATES RESOURCES TO OPPRESS THE PEOPLE ! THE GOVERNMENT IS THE PEOPLE!! <BR/>KIBAKI SWORN IN LIKE A THIEVE AND I STILL MAINTAIN HE HAD NO RIGHT TO USE THE POLICE TO OPPRESS THE PEOPLE OF KENYA!! HE HAD NO RIGHT TO USE THE POLICE TO KILL KENYANS IN ORDER TO STAY IN POWER BY FORCE- HE SHOULD IN-FACT BE SUED BY THE PEOPLE OF KENYA IN A CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT AND LET US SEE WHAT HIS DEFENSE WILL BE!!<BR/>WHAT WILL HE SAY?? I SENT THE POLICE TO SHOOT YOU WHILE YOU WERE DEMONSTRATING BECAUSE YOU WERE GOING TO KILL ME TOO??<BR/>EVEN CHILDREN THAT WERE SHOOT DEAD BY THE POLICE WERE A DANGER TO KIBAKI?? GET REAL!! KIBAKI GAVE THE SHOOT TO KILL ORDER- DOWN THE ROAD HE WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO KENYANS SOONER THAN LATER!! <BR/><BR/>HE RIGGED - HE WAS ILLEGAL IN OFFICE AND HE HAD NO RIGHT OR AUTHORITY TO USE THE STATE RESOURCES TO OPPRESS KENYANS!! PERIOD!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80531897904972410052008-04-02T09:05:00.000-07:002008-04-02T09:05:00.000-07:00Anonymous said... In politics there are no perm...Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> In politics there are no permanent enemies so as much as some people might shout their heads off that Ruto is a murderer remenber that 2moro he just might be their best friend. <BR/>ha!!!ha!! you make me laugh so who gave you the job to be the mouth piece to warn Raila against ruto?? why don't you turn round and go warn your kikuyu folks about the mungiki murderous gang that just beheaded another businessman in Thika last weekend?? believe me if i were a kikuyu those mungiki's are the ones i would be worried about!! soon all your women will undergo circumcision and you will have no say in that- then they will rule central province through fear and you kikuyu's will have no voice soon!! go put your propaganda about ruto else where !!does Raila look like he has no brains?? when they formed the party with Ruto it was out of respect for each others strengths not weakness they complimented each other in different ways and that is why they won the 2007 elections hands down before kibaki decided to rig himself in!!<BR/><BR/>so do not post your propaganda here ati Raila should be worried about Ruto!! it is kibaki who should be worried about all the promises he made and can not deliver!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91899779968652737072008-04-02T08:19:00.000-07:002008-04-02T08:19:00.000-07:00In politics there are no permanent enemies so as m...In politics there are no permanent enemies so as much as some people might shout their heads off that Ruto is a murderer remenber that 2moro he just might be their best friend. I can bet that if Uhuru and Ruto gang up (which is very possible) they can hold this country at ransom. Do not forget that. I think Raila should be very worried about Ruto. He is lucky right now that these PNU MP's are shouting for him but if they ever have a major disagreement, you can bet the political reallignments will be major. I can easily see it in the works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-18748570269375613192008-04-02T07:56:00.000-07:002008-04-02T07:56:00.000-07:00anonymous,excuse me?? who were the agents of the s...anonymous,<BR/><BR/><I>excuse me?? who were the agents of the state after the rigged elections??</I><BR/><BR/>Fair point. But if there were irregularities, then there was a dispute. If there's a legal dispute, then, generally, the status quo <I>ante</I> obtains until the dispute is settled. Even if the election was flawed, Kibbs was justified in exercising the powers of the state pending the resolution of the dispute.<BR/><BR/>taabu,<BR/><BR/><I>Antonio alis</I>[sic]<I> Waweru</I><BR/><BR/>I protest. I write a lot better than he does :-)<BR/><BR/><I>When Ivy says utado, she is only giving back the same prescription to the quacks who offered it first.</I><BR/><BR/>Irrelevant to the matter at hand, even if true. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.Daniel Waweruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03823498765657620266noreply@blogger.com