tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post3238529291188979103..comments2024-03-24T12:17:00.460-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Why America And The International Community Are Responsible For The Rising Body Count In KenyaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-3898932031591009322008-01-04T13:24:00.000-08:002008-01-04T13:24:00.000-08:00oh please you guy, your Man RAILA and his ODM are ...oh please you guy, your Man RAILA and his ODM are responsible for all this violence and don't act innocent like you don't know!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-1498699240505292102008-01-04T07:16:00.000-08:002008-01-04T07:16:00.000-08:00Moi was involved in all these chaos.His lieutenant...Moi was involved in all these chaos.<BR/>His lieutenant OLD KANU Prime Minister in waiting was 100% behind these ethnic cleansing in the 90`s and even now and before elections.<BR/>He should be prosecuted with his henchmen when the dust settles.<BR/>There have to be people held responsible for these murders because to me that is the only way forward to heal the souls of the victims.<BR/>They are using elections irregularities as a scape goat.<BR/><BR/>Even USA elections had irregularities but we did not hear people killing one another because of that. France, Russia name it all their elections were flawed. Did we hear spill of innocent voters blood and people getting killed by their neighbours and friends for exercising their democratic rights? And the thing is these militia are looting Chickens, bags of charcoal and petty household stuff like Radio`s. Is this because of elections?<BR/><BR/>Can you imagine guys running away "na magunia ya makaa na Kuku zimejazwa kwa magunia from their killed neighbours and friends? Is this because of elections?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-8414465851483983982008-01-04T02:53:00.000-08:002008-01-04T02:53:00.000-08:00My condolence to the families which lost their lov...My condolence to the families which lost their loved ones irrespective of their ethnic heritage , weather they died in the hands of irate heart broken voters , or by the Kibaki bullets, or worse weather they voted or not. A life is a life weather luo, kalenjin , kisii or kikuyu, so for Mutua to single out only one tribe as the victims yet we all saw the morgue in other parts of the country including Nairobi is wanting to say the least.Kibaki should issue a gag order on his subordinates fom commenting on the current situation beause their arrogant foul mouths are not making it any better, I have beef specifically with one Uhuru, Karua n Tuju,.Nyamweya does not have any mandate or moral authority to comment on anything political , he is just a ceo of the rigging vote factory.Lastly doesnt a minister have to be an MP , if so why are these losers still in office ?Mkenya Damuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04207485467820995955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-44823124275766449532008-01-04T02:11:00.000-08:002008-01-04T02:11:00.000-08:00i really dont understand why you are all making no...i really dont understand why you are all making noise.From your comments i realise you are all sending your posts depending on the person you support.But for the aske of peace we do not need to know who rigged en who did not but one thing im sure of is we need to hold fresh presidential elections to solve the problem.whether uganda, US or whoever helped in rigging they are happy in there countries en kenyans are dying.guys think clearly all this leader dont give a damn about you guys all they care about is power en money en they will do anything to have it.But as for the president lets have independent judges en justices en test raila to see whether he will not file the petition?we are all kenyans lets not fight Peace for my beloved countryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-90152636078358490132008-01-03T13:53:00.000-08:002008-01-03T13:53:00.000-08:00Anon @ 12:27 Yes, Chris, Phil and the rest have th...Anon @ 12:27 Yes, Chris, Phil and the rest have the right to further any agenda they choose. <BR/><BR/>You are wrong though if you believe that their posts on this blog have no effect on the situation in Kenya. History shall teach you that media has been used both constructively and destructively in conflict.<BR/>There might be no direct evidence of any destructive effect at the moment but isn't it enough that several readers have expressed alarm at the content of this blog? <BR/><BR/>Would you wait to be convinced only if someone came forward and claimed they looted, plundered, murdered or raped their fellow Kenyan because of information they received from this blog? <BR/><BR/>Freedom of expression is important and no one should ask Chris or Phil to shut down their blog, or stop posting. I asked them to promote peace for the sake of Kenyan lives through balanced information. It is their prerogative to take up my request. <BR/><BR/>I hope that as you continue your 'battle' you will nonetheless do it without risking the lives of Kenyans.Harry Karanjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14088676584066449200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-1551293656457006872008-01-03T13:27:00.000-08:002008-01-03T13:27:00.000-08:00For those complaining about irresponsible reportin...For those complaining about irresponsible reporting.....do you know the purpose of a blog? It is not your local paper or news so it does not or need not mirror your views or passions. So, if you don't like what you are reading here, go to another forum. Chris, Phil have a right to express their opinions, report on whatever they want to and even to further any agenda they choose. Yes they do! I suggest for the 100th time that you go to another blog or start your own where you can preach peace on the web when the battle is going on in a different forum. Let's not pretend that any comments on this blog are what's causing or aggravating the situation in Kenya. We are all smarter than that...I hope!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-21231198317200985242008-01-03T13:22:00.000-08:002008-01-03T13:22:00.000-08:00I agree with Roy's statement. Forget the cast bal...I agree with Roy's statement. Forget the cast ballots and form 16A and the rest. Those have already been tampered with at this time to complete the "cooking" that Kivuitu referred to. In the last 24 hours ECK officials have complained that the forms are missing from the safe where they were kept. Ahem.....who has access to KICC and ECK offices???? The only solution is a new presidential election. Since Kibaki "won" he shouldn't have a problem agreeing to one. Let's not talk about what it will cost because tax payer funds were not spent sparingly during the campaign period...so spending more to further the cause of peace and justice should be a no brainer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-6562584476251677542008-01-03T13:09:00.000-08:002008-01-03T13:09:00.000-08:00Independent tally of what?Do you guys even know wh...Independent tally of what?<BR/><BR/>Do you guys even know where the ballot papers are right now?<BR/><BR/>LOL<BR/><BR/>Africans oooohhh Africans wake up...<BR/><BR/>New elections now........<BR/><BR/>Peace Now.......Philip Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08109331288602509084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-73898293494807301332008-01-03T12:08:00.000-08:002008-01-03T12:08:00.000-08:00@Junglemann447, I agree that until Michuki is take...@Junglemann447, I agree that until Michuki is taken out of the picture, no progress will be made. He is still applying the skills he gained as Governor during the colonial times, when the game has significantly changed. Funny Moi is conveniently out of the country and I bet his entire family is too....sneaking off after giving the tips to the creation of this disaster. I'm sure those who advocated this agenda are floored by how badly they miscalculated the consequences of their actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-39618788540342234242008-01-03T11:42:00.000-08:002008-01-03T11:42:00.000-08:00Thanks Lillian and all like minded commentators. Y...Thanks Lillian and all like minded commentators. You are my inspiration that Kenyans love peace and that I do all that I can to promote it.<BR/><BR/>Let us reject tribalism, hatred, bigotry, intolerance, intransigence, and incitement. <BR/><BR/>Let us embrace peace, dialogue, unity, prayer, compromise, and neighbourliness. <BR/><BR/>I am setting up a new blog <A HREF="http://amanikenya.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">http://amanikenya.blogspot.com</A> as a platform for practical and peaceful solutions to our situation. A blog to capture the goodness and neighbourliness of Kenyans even in these times of turmoil. A blog that champions the cause of only one party - the party of the Kenyan people.<BR/><BR/>I know I cannot make this initiative a success on my own and I appeal to all who share my cause to join me as contributors on this blog.Harry Karanjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14088676584066449200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-14249507229999998192008-01-03T11:40:00.000-08:002008-01-03T11:40:00.000-08:00Here is a practical solution. Leaders of all armed...Here is a practical solution. Leaders of all armed forces get together. <BR/> 1. First order of business: Arrest Michuki(under house arrest)<BR/> 2. Get Kibaki & Raila on the table. <BR/> 3. The armed forces Leaders issue a guarantee to protect Kibaki and his family.<BR/> 4. Instate Raila President(chosen by the people)& back him up 100%. SAVE KENYAN LIVES.<BR/><BR/>Facts:<BR/> a) Everybody knows Kibaki has no stomach for violence. <BR/> b) Other people around him engineered the rigging(Advise from Moi before he fled the country to Germany)<BR/> c)Michuki panicked, ordered police to start shooting to protect a small group of corrupt individuals who believe they will be vulnerable once Raila(who said he will let justice prevail) is President<BR/> d)Even if Michuki kills so many Kenyans, PNU problems have not started.<BR/> e) PNU with affiliate parties are HUNGRY waiting to see who gets what position(Including Vice-Presidency). Chaos starts within that PNU party.<BR/> f) With a party divided, Kibaki will be pressured again to put his backyard people and then Kibaki will be seen as someone who cannot be trusted even within his own party.<BR/> g) Thats when all hell will break loose. Exposure on how they rigged will now become public record.<BR/> h) You see, Kibaki is just a pawn at the convenience of the likes of Michuki.<BR/><BR/>Everybody agrees Kenya is bigger than any us. I apeal to the Kenya Armed Forces to convene and make this RIGHT. <BR/><BR/>Kenya cannot be semi-Military/civilian GOVERNMENT. <BR/><BR/>Kibaki is just an economist and at this point he cannot work his magic on the economy. People have to feel free to move around, SAY what they want and once the confidence on the economy is felt then spend as much money as the want thus enabling Kibaki to work his magic. <BR/><BR/><BR/>But with civil unrest, not even the military can create an atmosphere that will enable Kibaki's Genius to work.<BR/><BR/>Too many variables need to be in place for "Kazi iendeleee.." to even begin realization.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The other alternative, and I hope and pray it doesn't come to it, is<BR/>a MILITARY COUP. This will at least save lives as the current condition worsens. BUT AT WHAT COST?<BR/><BR/>THIS IS REALITY FOLKS. WAKE UP TO IT.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57857294096170205372008-01-03T11:23:00.000-08:002008-01-03T11:23:00.000-08:00I am with you startupkenya, and God bless you for ...I am with you startupkenya, and God bless you for showing leadership in this, our darkest hour. I think we should begin this campaign and send the message out to our friends and family. The Kenyan media houses should also be made aware of this for maximum effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-61582527667320903052008-01-03T11:21:00.000-08:002008-01-03T11:21:00.000-08:00Thanks for the comments Anon @ 11:10 AM.I have tri...Thanks for the comments Anon @ 11:10 AM.<BR/><BR/>I have tried to shorten it for SMS form but it's still 2 text messages long. Any suggestions:<BR/><BR/>"My dear friend I hope that u and ur family r safe & well. As ur fellow Kenyan Im praying 4 peace & unity in our country & I ask u 2join me in this prayer. 2gether, in peace change will come. Pls pass this prayer of peace 2 frnds & family"Harry Karanjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14088676584066449200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-41179586747275670992008-01-03T11:10:00.000-08:002008-01-03T11:10:00.000-08:00startupkenya, I must commend you for your initiati...startupkenya, I must commend you for your initiative in preaching and promoting peace, we all love our country and messages that are personal in nature have more weight than those from 3rd parties. Your message is concise and to the point and Kenyans should adopt it in one form or another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-719312546878556512008-01-03T11:08:00.000-08:002008-01-03T11:08:00.000-08:00anon@10:57 Here is the relevant article, the incit...anon@10:57 Here is the relevant article, the inciters, amongst them this blog, have been reprimanded by peace loving Kenyans and more Kenyans should raise their voice to demand an end to violence by both opposing sides including that by private militia started by a former YK92 official: <BR/><BR/>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-kenya4jan04,0,4416543.story?coll=la-home-worldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-87895899751626864022008-01-03T10:58:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:58:00.000-08:00Here's a proposal.While the president, ODM, church...Here's a proposal.<BR/><BR/>While the president, ODM, church leaders, press, and even Safaricom have appealed Kenyans to exercise restraint and promote, it seems the message is not getting through (fast enough). I have a thought that this is because none of the people calling for peace seem genuine and perhaps the audience for whom it is rightly intended are not getting the message.<BR/><BR/>But what if this appeal came from friends and family? I have friends and family in both camps but I am certain that I can speak to them the language of peace and they would listen.<BR/><BR/>Whereas I believe the message should be personal and specific so as to be genuine I suggest the following template:<BR/><BR/>"My dear friend/brother/sister. I hope that you and your family are safe and well. As your fellow Kenyan I am praying for peace and unity in our country and I ask you, your friends and your family to join me in this prayer. Together we can make peaceful change in our country. God bless Kenya. Please pass the prayer of peace to all that you can"<BR/><BR/>This can be done by email, telephone call or sms. I believe if we reach out through our networks we can reach a large number of people in a short time, and we might play a part in promoting peace. <BR/><BR/>Please let me have your comments on this idea and how better to frame the message.Harry Karanjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14088676584066449200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-65201701047912322912008-01-03T10:57:00.001-08:002008-01-03T10:57:00.001-08:00Anon@10:05 wrote the following:...We are slaughter...Anon@10:05 wrote the following:<BR/><BR/>...We are slaughtering them and we will keep on slaughtering them," said one young protester, Gabriel Okelo, who got up at six and walked nine miles from the outskirts of the city to march in support of Odinga.<BR/><BR/>As the political violence worsens, tribal fighting and tit-for-tat killings have been going on in Nairobi's slums and in other towns.<BR/><BR/>Okelo said he killed two people with a machete for the first time Wednesday because "When you are angry, it's easy. If they refuse our president, Raila Odinga to address the rally, it will happen again. We shall slaughter the Kikuyus. It will go on and on and on, in all parts of the country."<BR/>10:05 AM<BR/><BR/>----I would like to know whether it is true that Okello has already killed 2 people. Is it through incitement or is he in Kenya?<BR/>Okello?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-43787214536274334612008-01-03T10:57:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:57:00.000-08:00Prayer should definitely be in all our books.As fo...Prayer should definitely be in all our books.<BR/><BR/>As for the international community: if they are at all sincere, they should be pushing Kibaki to hold fresh presidential elections.<BR/><BR/>We know how hard they can push. We saw them push Moi into multipartism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-47413893203749816952008-01-03T10:55:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:55:00.000-08:00National Prayer and fasting day. We have to unite ...National Prayer and fasting day. We have to unite around all those who are grieving the loss of a loved one right at the beginning to 2008.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-89721464263649479662008-01-03T10:45:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:45:00.000-08:00Thank you for the link "I love Kenya". I need some...Thank you for the link "I love Kenya". I need some positivity and hope. <BR/><BR/>God Bless Kenya!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-51870277999040535172008-01-03T10:42:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:42:00.000-08:00We should have a national prayer day for all.We should have a national prayer day for all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-83792302068054597982008-01-03T10:41:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:41:00.000-08:00My KENYAN brothers and sisters, do not be swayed b...My KENYAN brothers and sisters, do not be swayed by some who try to divide you along tribal lines, be it politicians or even "harmless" bloggers. They do more harm than good, but lucky for us, are increasingly in the minority. Kenyans are tired of the needless loss of life. We all cry for our beloved country and know we are better than this. So keep speaking out. We will prevail!<BR/><BR/>TUSKER. MY COUNTRY MY BEER lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-78218055000086968682008-01-03T10:38:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:38:00.000-08:00Go To mentalacrobatics.com to see that not all Ken...Go To mentalacrobatics.com to see that not all Kenyans are obsessed with perpetuating this mess but there are people working hard to get a solution.<BR/>-Kenya Milele-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-64343356063769573392008-01-03T10:32:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:32:00.000-08:00Why are we focusing on Kikuyus, Luos, Kambas, Kale...Why are we focusing on Kikuyus, Luos, Kambas, Kalenjins when we should be unitig to compete in Beijing 2008. Why are we not in the African Cup of Nations? Do we support a defender or striker based on his tribe or do we support HARAMBEE STARS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13464425841203552832008-01-03T10:29:00.000-08:002008-01-03T10:29:00.000-08:00It is time for Chris to stand up and be counted as...It is time for Chris to stand up and be counted as a responsible Kenyan who can set aside partisan politics and put Kenya first instead of allowing certain characters to perpetuate the wounds that have been and continue to be inflicted on our beloved country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com