tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post2752370909375468759..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: A Page From The Waki Report: Should These People Be Given Amnesty?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-26786351212559243822008-11-25T14:45:00.000-08:002008-11-25T14:45:00.000-08:00Raila and his ilk should prepare to exit politics ...Raila and his ilk should prepare to exit politics come 2012 , we do not need this kind of people leading us , are this the kind of people he was asking the government to release?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-87012057008405930372008-11-25T10:19:00.000-08:002008-11-25T10:19:00.000-08:00With confessions of this kind, how can calls for a...With confessions of this kind, how can calls for amnesty even make sense to those proposing them. People do not fabricate confessions the type presented by this victim. And, people capable of perpetrating this kind of violence are a danger to civilized society and should not hide behind the veil of political strife.<BR/><BR/>What makes the perpetrators of these heinous crimes different from those tried at Nuremberg, Tokyo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Yugoslavia?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-28416693843214376012008-11-25T05:46:00.000-08:002008-11-25T05:46:00.000-08:00Kimi,So where is the difference?Kimi,<BR/>So where is the difference?Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-64327194957043327122008-11-24T09:19:00.000-08:002008-11-24T09:19:00.000-08:00Anon @ 2.00pm, you say:"Kenya can never be compare...Anon @ 2.00pm, you say:<BR/><BR/>"Kenya can never be compared with the US.<BR/><BR/>An American life doesnt depend wholly on the presidency. In Kenya, yes. <BR/>When Kibaki became president in 2002 the roads leading to Othaya were carpeted overnight. The CBK got a Kikuyu governor, everything including money and jobs went to Kikuyuland. That's what Kibaki referred as 10% growth (in Kikuyuland and not in Kenya)..."<BR/><BR/>So when a Kikuyu becomes CBK Governor all the money goes to Kikuyuland right, according to your childish lies and bitterness? Is that what ODM has been fighting to rectify, you know, have a Luo CBK Governor for instance so that "all the money and jobs" can go to Luoland? <BR/>It is this naive hillbilly thinking of cretins like you that will ruin this country irreversibly because all your political motivations are guided by jealousy and spite which then progresses to psychotic hate, leading to the events like those in January. If only you would think a little harder and realise that nothing is for free in this world.<BR/> Who told you Kikuyus depend on Kibaki for anything, Presidency or not? Is it Kibaki who sends Kikuyus to open shops in Gem or Siaya or Kakamega or Bungoma or Sosiot or Moyale or Dar es salaam or Kampala or Jinja or Atlanta or Miami or Sydney or Shanghai for instance? Do you think if Kibaki dropped dead today Kikuyus will suddenly become blubbering, jabbering, buffoonish idiots rolling on the roads and chewing garbage and grass in "grief", unlike some people we know? Kikuyus prospered even during the darkest days of persecution by Moi's tonton macoutes, and that is when Moi was at the height of his power, power such as will never ever be seen again in this country. If Moi could not finish them at that time, what makes you think idiotas like you would? <BR/>The reason Kikuyus respect and desire the power of the Presidency is in order to protect their wealth and their families given the malevolence and evil schemes directed against them, and not to enrich themselves, PERIOD! How many ORDINARY Kikuyu do you know of, with proof, that got rich because Kibaki is President? Unlike you, the Kikuyu will ALWAYS survive regardless of who is President, even if it was your blundering hobo gait bumpkin and the noxious wares he sells.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-64718787101192864352008-11-24T04:46:00.000-08:002008-11-24T04:46:00.000-08:00b-carotene, don't you worry that will NEVER HAPPEN...b-carotene, don't you worry that will NEVER HAPPEN. As the sun rises in the East and sets on the West, Kwale will never accept Raila as a personal or any kind of saviour!<BR/><BR/>I hope that's pellucid crystal clear to all those who feel I am indecisive or I am coming to 'realize' (see) that Odinga is a leader. I've noticed some people here go cock-a-hoop (happy) whenever I show some kind of 'softening' towards him.Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-78978694703707768882008-11-24T03:55:00.000-08:002008-11-24T03:55:00.000-08:00would the good dr.mourhinho please state the psych...would the good dr.mourhinho please state the psychology of this people...oh..ANIMALS that they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-72048368558211217332008-11-24T03:53:00.000-08:002008-11-24T03:53:00.000-08:00Kenyans were (and still are not ready--per my bias...Kenyans were (and still are not ready--per my biased sample in KK) for mature, sophisticated, civil and democratic style of leadership that is so nicely embraced by Emilio.<BR/>Rather, at this more primitve level, their preference is for the abrasive, violent, chest-thumping/boisterous, destructive incoherence nicely embodied by the bumpkin. Be careful what you wish for.......just in case, unlikely though, but just in case.<BR/><BR/>b-caroteneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-75809001500673501012008-11-24T03:41:00.000-08:002008-11-24T03:41:00.000-08:00These are terrible and unfortunate things that hap...These are terrible and unfortunate things that happened. As much as they happened, these are events that could have been avoided. They did not have to occur.<BR/><BR/>Had Kibaki provided effective LEADERSHIP since taking over at the beginning of 2003 all of these tragic events would have never occured.<BR/><BR/><B>Read what Judge Waki in his report says about him:</B><BR/><BR/>The Waki Commission report accuses Kibaki of failing to exercise the required political control (i.e LEADERSHIP) that would have convinced the public and the international community that the 2007 General Election would have been free and fair. (This later came to pass: Kibaki <B>STOLE</B> the elections; consequently triggering the violence)<BR/><BR/>Kibaki's inability to provide leadership includes the failure to lead the National Rainbow Coalition (Narc) from the front when he took over power in 2003 after winning the December 2002 elections (These are elections that he genuinely won. He did not STEAL). <B>The post election-violence is, in part, a consequence of the failure of Kibaki and his first Government to exert political control (i.e LEADERSHIP) over the country or to maintain sufficient legitimacy as would have allowed a civilized contest with him at the polls possible.</B><BR/><BR/>The report also blames Kibaki's decision to renege on the memorandum of understanding (MoU) between the Kibaki’s National Alliance Party of Kenya (NAK) and Mr Odinga’s Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) before the 2002 elections as one of the major contributory factors that created the environment that made occurrence of post election almost a certainty. It eventually came to pass.<BR/><BR/>Even though the 2005 referendum was peaceful and results were accepted rather than contested, the parameters were nevertheless drawn. Worse was the decision by Kibaki to dissolve the entire Cabinet after LOSING the referendum and excluding Mr Odinga and his allies from the Government a month later when he reconstituted his administration.<BR/><BR/>The net effect, was further political polarisation. Kibaki's turning away from Raila and removing from government the group of ministers associated with Odinga had the effect of increasing the polarisation of politics along ethnic lines.<BR/><BR/>By so doing, <B>the Waki report points an accusing finger at Kibaki saying that he failed to take actions (i.e LEADERSHIP) that would have bridged the escalating ethnic and political divide, which fueled the political violence</B>. It was wrong, the report argues, for Kibaki to fail to heed the advice of leaders from other communities.<BR/><BR/><B>Kibaki’s regime failed to unite the country, and allowed feelings of marginalisation to fester into what became the post-election violence</B>. He and his then Government were complacent in the support they considered they would receive in any election from the majority Kikuyu community and failed to heed the views of the legitimate leaders of other communities.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Under the agreement that Kibaki's NAK signed with Raila's LDP the post of PM was to be introduced after 2002 General Election and the Constitution reviewed to recognise the new position. Failure to honour the MoU by Kibaki broke the trust that had been built between Kibaki and Mr Odinga, in the process splitting Narc.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Cabinet ministers, senior civil servants and business people straddling the President’s inner court at State House were blamed for the failed MoU.Mr Odinga’s allies blamed them for refusing to share power with others and branded them the “Mount Kenya Mafia”.<BR/><BR/>This (reneging on the MoU) was criticised by the public as an attempt by the so-called ‘Mount Kenya Mafia’ to keep power to itself rather than share it.<BR/><BR/>The Waki report also blames Kibaki for the way he handled the search for a new Constitution and the 2005 referendum and its aftermath. His administration is accused of diluting some of the provisions of the Bomas Draft into what was later called the Wako Draft. It is the latter that was put up for the referendum pitting Kibaki on the side of the “Yes” or Banana campaign and Mr Odinga in the “NO” or Orange crusade.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The Orange movement that defeated the government by rejecting the Wako draft was later to be transformed into a political party, the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM).<BR/><BR/>Former President Moi, who is now Kibaki's strongest supporter and defender, stands accused for allowing the culture of <B>IMPUNITY</B> to take root following the election violence of 1992 and 1997. As events have unfolded since early 2003, it clearly shows that Kibaki amekua akifuata nyayo za Moi. What a big let down from someone from whom so much civilized leadership was expected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-55609946356046606902008-11-24T03:37:00.000-08:002008-11-24T03:37:00.000-08:00Thanks Kwale, buddy. Great you havent (hope never)...Thanks Kwale, buddy. <BR/>Great you havent (hope never) accepted molasses bumpkin as your personal savior.<BR/><BR/>Now Taabu attempts psycho-analysis-->usurp Dr Muranho's job. Reminds of his personal savior molassess--prancing all over the place, doing everything, accomplishing nothing. Even October has come and passed. Still no evictions as he promised.<BR/><BR/>The PM should stop running his mouth at every little opportunity. Its starting to embarass!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-35034195900789388402008-11-24T03:36:00.000-08:002008-11-24T03:36:00.000-08:00would the good dr.mourhinho please state the psych...would the good dr.mourhinho please state the psychology of this people...oh..ANIMALS that they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-49686041794157558992008-11-24T03:17:00.000-08:002008-11-24T03:17:00.000-08:00b-carotone, internet is for freedom of expression ...b-carotone, internet is for freedom of expression and you should never worry about these nose-picking, sweat-smelling, human-worshipping backward people.<BR/>As a civil society you have the right to exercise your freedom of speech on a wide variety of topics, including expressing negative opinions about another person.<BR/><BR/>Some people here think if they call you names, you're either going to disappear or agree with them. No man! You've you own mind and you've the freedom to express your mind.<BR/><BR/>Can't you see how it bothers some people here that I am not a Kikuyu and still have not accepted Raila Odinga to be my saviour? It is in my own freedom and free will to accept and support whoever I want to regardless of opinions of the majority. And I will never accept molasses!!Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13719383773847864162008-11-24T02:54:00.000-08:002008-11-24T02:54:00.000-08:00The psychology behing ALTER EGOs is so complex for...The psychology behing ALTER EGOs is so complex for simple minds weaned on VILAGE VITRIOL. Indulge.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-7919164164831727152008-11-23T17:32:00.000-08:002008-11-23T17:32:00.000-08:00Okay zombie, whatever you wish. God grant me....Okay zombie, whatever you wish. <BR/>God grant me....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-15545863785603902332008-11-23T17:14:00.000-08:002008-11-23T17:14:00.000-08:00Dimwit - b-carrot, carotene makes no difference to...Dimwit - b-carrot, carotene makes no difference to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-52682953057878989542008-11-23T16:39:00.000-08:002008-11-23T16:39:00.000-08:00Your mindless emotion (and poisonous disposition)w...Your mindless emotion (and poisonous disposition)will be your undoing. Sigh.<BR/>It's b-carotene, you numskull.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-19991854649944004472008-11-23T15:45:00.000-08:002008-11-23T15:45:00.000-08:00who set up roadblocks? Wasn't it the same kikuyu t...who set up roadblocks? Wasn't it the same kikuyu thugs that deliberately pilfer goods from western bound buses or worse still cause road accidents so that they can steal from dying passengers?<BR/>Shame on you b-carrot!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-15945394653301849262008-11-23T15:17:00.000-08:002008-11-23T15:17:00.000-08:00They set up roadblocks on molasses raila's behalf....They set up roadblocks on molasses raila's behalf.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-20502650045829061372008-11-23T14:42:00.000-08:002008-11-23T14:42:00.000-08:00b-carotene Your Captain we all know planned at sta...b-carotene <BR/><BR/>Your Captain we all know planned at statehouse and carried out the murders, rapes, beheading and burning of innocent kenyans with the mungiki murderers. The slaughter of kenyans all over the country. The Proof was real and live on all the media national and international- the murders(shoot to kill by the police and army by the order of your Captain Kibaki and you can quote me on that or keep digging your head in the sand. <BR/><BR/>I sincerely feel sorry for the likes of you trying so had to make excuses for Kibaki the Murderer worse than Idd Amin of Uganda.!!Amin did not execute his own tribesmen like Kibaki does with the mungiki!!<BR/><BR/>Just facts if Kibaki can cold blooded execute hsi own tribesmen "Mungiki youth" just imagine at those statehouse meetings what he told the same mungiki murderers to do to other tribes???? <BR/>If you don't care for your own tribesmen?? how can you care for other tribes????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57785625504382814302008-11-23T14:32:00.000-08:002008-11-23T14:32:00.000-08:00anon2:20 PM\ Sad is the Captain of the Mungiki gan...anon2:20 PM\<BR/> <BR/>Sad is the Captain of the Mungiki gang ant statehouse discussing how to behead and burn innocent kenyans in Nakuru and Naivasha( I mean Captain Kibaki and Uhuru)<BR/><BR/>and then the same captains after their mungiki foot soldiers do all their dirty killing jobs.. they turn round and executed them.. poor fellows they thought they were pleasing their captains !!!<BR/><BR/>But wapi... most of the same mungiki were on line for execution so that the truth would not see the light... but luckily sources confirm,, BBC and other independent journalist have tapes of the mungiki gangs confirming being send and paid to Nakuru and Naivasha with the promise that their leader Maina would be released from Prison...<BR/><BR/>kenyans know what happened after that right!!! shame.. no amnesty I repeat for any MP's or kenyans involved in the murderers of innocent kenyans ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-42862692427446895082008-11-23T14:24:00.000-08:002008-11-23T14:24:00.000-08:00Please refer to Sam Okello. He has got the answers...Please refer to Sam Okello. He has got the answers to ALL Waki-PEV related issues questions sirAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-81582086663949964792008-11-23T14:20:00.000-08:002008-11-23T14:20:00.000-08:00These are the people that Ruto said were fighting ...These are the people that Ruto said were fighting for the captain.<BR/>What does the captain (of violence, murder and rape) say?<BR/><BR/>Here's one shot at an answer:<BR/>That it is OK to do this (to the Kikuyu) but not to the Kisii, their brothers, who voted for him!<BR/><BR/>How so SAD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-20193403867370525192008-11-23T14:00:00.000-08:002008-11-23T14:00:00.000-08:00@Kimi Raik...Kenya can never be compared with the ...@Kimi Raik...<BR/><BR/>Kenya can never be compared with the US.<BR/><BR/>An American life doesnt depend wholly on the presidency. In Kenya, yes. When Kibaki became president in 2002 the roads leading to Othaya were carpeted overnight. The CBK got a Kikuyu governor, everything including money and jobs went to Kikuyuland. That's what Kibaki referred as 10% growth (in Kikuyuland and not in Kenya).<BR/><BR/>When G. W. Bush became president his state or city was not favoured. He brought missery to ALL Americans.<BR/><BR/>There was no reason for Americans to riot because he stole the votes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-12849319208815022772008-11-23T13:39:00.000-08:002008-11-23T13:39:00.000-08:00anon1:38 AMMy friend Kibaki= HitlerLook at him sti...anon1:38 AM<BR/><BR/>My friend Kibaki= Hitler<BR/>Look at him still to date executing his own tribesmen the mungiki youth..<BR/>Can you imagine if Kibaki were to be given the freedom to execute anyone who went against his looting trend?? if we didn't have a coalition government in place to keep him in check??<BR/><BR/>why he kibaki is still executing the mungiki youth is because most kikuyu's don't care!!and they will not stand up for their own youth... it is a shame and an embarrassment to the kikuyu tribe!!<BR/><BR/>what a foolish tribe which can't even stop the senile kibaki executing thier own youth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-43222814713892587562008-11-23T13:35:00.001-08:002008-11-23T13:35:00.001-08:00Sounds like what happened in Nakuru and Naivasha w...Sounds like what happened in Nakuru and Naivasha with the Mungiki gangs unleashing terror...<BR/><BR/>They raped ! beheaded and Burned many alive in thier houses..<BR/><BR/>SHOULD THE MUNGIKI MURDEROUS GANGS AND THEIR WARLORD LEADER UHURU KENYATTA GET AMNESTY??<BR/><BR/>and after all the live reports and narrations from families who lost their loved ones beheaded or burned in Nakuru and Naivasha clashes.... the gori details are with all the families, independent reports, some brave policemen who come forward!!!!<BR/><BR/>WHY ISN'T IT NARRATED OR REPORTED IN THE WAKI REPORT??<BR/><BR/>maybe the Rift valley MP's have a point here?? waki seemed to have been cherry picking on what to report in his document!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Waki should answer to all this omissions in his report..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-39139331079064645222008-11-23T13:35:00.000-08:002008-11-23T13:35:00.000-08:00Sounds like what happened in Nakuru and Naivasha w...Sounds like what happened in Nakuru and Naivasha with the Mungiki gangs unleashing terror...<BR/><BR/>They raped ! beheaded and Burned many alive in thier houses..<BR/><BR/>SHOULD THE MUNGIKI MURDEROUS GANGS AND THEIR WARLORD LEADER UHURU KENYATTA GET AMNESTY??<BR/><BR/>and after all the live reports and narrations from families who lost their loved ones beheaded or burned in Nakuru and Naivasha clashes.... the gori details are with all the families, independent reports, some brave policemen who come forward!!!!<BR/><BR/>WHY ISN'T IT NARRATED OR REPORTED IN THE WAKI REPORT??<BR/><BR/>maybe the Rift valley MP's have a point here?? waki seemed to have been cherry picking on what to report in his document!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Waki should answer to all this omissions in his report..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com