tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post2210455380596031872..comments2024-03-24T12:17:00.460-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Raila Wants Mugabe Tossed OutUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-18586952115025696042008-12-09T04:00:00.000-08:002008-12-09T04:00:00.000-08:00I am Tanzanian, i visit this blog every now and th...I am Tanzanian, i visit this blog every now and then. I think Raila has no influance at all to pressure Mugabe resignation.<BR/><BR/>Raila and Mwaikabaki caused the death of hundreds innocent Kenyan, because of their own political reasons. I don't think he is a positive figure for anything in Africa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-68719794265465530462008-12-08T09:29:00.000-08:002008-12-08T09:29:00.000-08:00Kimi,Zuma and CO are simply filling the VACUUM you...Kimi,<BR/>Zuma and CO are simply filling the VACUUM you and Kwale are giving a wide bearth. Continent Africa is crying loud for leadership and people like you are conviniently refusing to measure up. <BR/><BR/>Kwale you speak of dignity and Zimbweans in the same sentence. Well I am not sure if yours is not solely driven by something lese you are not typing. But surely Bw. Kwale there is no PRIDE among the remaining Zims. You can chose to colour it but I fear it won't wash.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-66411332912755322582008-12-06T09:05:00.000-08:002008-12-06T09:05:00.000-08:00Papa Plus @ 6.05,You said you're eager to hear my ...Papa Plus @ 6.05,<BR/><BR/>You said you're eager to hear my opinion on Mugabe and the situation in Zimbabwe. <BR/>Well, I don't think I have anything to say. The situation speak for itself. What I do think though is, the situation is so dire beyond human solutions. All we need now is divine intervention, and I am sure the good Lord will not forsake the people of Zimbabwe.<BR/>I heard Gordon Brown this morning saying 'enough is enough' for Mugabe. But that is easier said than done. What can he do, I may ask? Nothing. <BR/>Unless the world is willing to deal with Mugabe the same way they did to Sadaam Hussein, I don't really know if there is anything anyone can do other than pray for the people of Zimbabwe.<BR/><BR/>At least I commend the people of Zimbabwe despite of their miseries they've maintained dignity in face of extreme difficulties and untold suffering. Instead of rushing-out on their neighbours with Machetes, raping them for stolen elections, they decided keep their cooler head. <BR/><BR/>PS: Ghana is going to polls this weekend, and they too have vowed not do anything stupid like the KenyansKwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-72486116862889490622008-12-06T09:02:00.000-08:002008-12-06T09:02:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-82928426804944533652008-12-06T06:50:00.000-08:002008-12-06T06:50:00.000-08:00Taabu, i accept your point that it IS useful to co...Taabu, i accept your point that it IS useful to condemn Mugabe, though i doubt that it will have any effect. Zuma has even called for Mugabe to step down, but once in office next year as he surely will be short of some other disaster, you can be sure Zuma will do nothing to pressure Mugabe. The political implications for dictators like him are too grave. How is he going to call on Mugabe to step down when Mugabe will just start making noises about how 80% of productive South African land is in white hands? Do you see the potent grenade Mugabe will put into Zuma's lap? It will require just one market agitator or demagogue to start demanding white land and Zuma will be in real political trouble with the walala hai he pretends to represent, not to mention that he will be precisely in the same position Mugabe was prior to the Zim land grab.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-20190644615489267462008-12-06T04:20:00.000-08:002008-12-06T04:20:00.000-08:00Kimi,Save for the cheap vitroil sheen I tend to AG...Kimi,<BR/>Save for the cheap vitroil sheen I tend to AGREE with you. Yes, one is judged by the company he keeps. Zuma is one demagogue who still reeves in activism oblivious of the responsibility that comes with office. Zuma being progressive, well I HIGHLY doubt that. However, all the above does not make RAO's admonishing Mugabe any less useful, or does it?Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-86131662137578707232008-12-06T02:08:00.000-08:002008-12-06T02:08:00.000-08:00So Raila wants Mugabe out? Fair enough, but how si...So Raila wants Mugabe out? Fair enough, but how sincere is he really? Consider that he is issuing such statements while glowing and preening like a peacock in the company of folks like Jacob Zuma, who thinks it is okay to sleep(rape?) with a HIV woman and then shower to stop the virus, problem solved. Are these the kind of "leaders" ODM supporters would like Raila and ODM to associate so publicly with since Raila claims Zuma is a progressive leader? Zuma is the same leader who has turned the ANC into a dictatorial movement such that he brooks no opposition whatsoever from within its ranks. Or is it that if Raila says so, then it must be? This is the kind of embarrassing buffoonery and blinkered thinking most of us who are forward looking will never accept.<BR/>People forget, either conveniently or out of ignorance, that Mugabe was a very popular leader with the Zim people at independence in 1980. Even when he started calling for the redistribution of land, most believed he had a genuine and reasonable case. Little did they know that this call was merely the trojan horse for the entrenchment of a murderous dictatorship. It is therefore ironical, nay hypocritical, for Raila to call for his ouster yet Raila's political methods are precisely the same as Mugabe's before he entrenched his power. Why should i believe Raila is any different? The man is a dangerous egomaniac given to populist slogans in order to hide his true nature. Unfortunately for him, WE DO KNOW THIS TRUE NATURE NO MATTER HIS DISGUISE, NO MATTER THE POLITICAL YOGA CONTORTIONS.Kimi Raikkonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746369867832618011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-82063044155710305442008-12-05T06:16:00.000-08:002008-12-05T06:16:00.000-08:00Vikii,I don't think that there is anywhere in the ...Vikii,<BR/><BR/>I don't think that there is anywhere in the UN or AU charter that says all conflict should be handled through these entities. <BR/><BR/>There is such a thing as the good samaritan law. You can not sit by and watch your neighbour under seige. Yes, you can call the cops but if it takes the cops a week to get there, you have to do something. <BR/><BR/>Only 2 African leaders have denounced Mugabe. Kagame and I think the president late president of Zambia. It is shameful for the rest to sit by quietly and watch Zimbabwe go down the toilet. Many presidents in Africa do not aspire for greatness outside their little villages. Instead we look to the UN, US, UK for leadership. <BR/><BR/>Why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-27190182205792099052008-12-05T06:05:00.000-08:002008-12-05T06:05:00.000-08:00Kwale,Of course you may, as you do, opine on anyth...Kwale,<BR/><BR/>Of course you may, as you do, opine on anything of your choosing. <BR/><BR/>Having done that, am eager to hear your thoughts on Mugabe and the situation in Zimbabwe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13814778379395083882008-12-05T05:35:00.000-08:002008-12-05T05:35:00.000-08:00Papa Plus,With all due respect, I am not trying to...Papa Plus,<BR/><BR/>With all due respect, I am not trying to undermine the seriousness of this subject or the situation in Zimbabwe, but at the same time as an internet user I may exercise my freedom of speech on a wide variety of topics, including expressing my negative opinions about another person. And this is perfectly legal... even in "oustside world".Kwalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16243385762623172961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-55619542048236582982008-12-04T22:13:00.000-08:002008-12-04T22:13:00.000-08:00People here keep talking of b urning women and chi...People here keep talking of b urning women and childrren in the church. Is that different from burning a whole family in Naivasha? Both incidents were wrong and the people from both sides who did this should be punished. Maybe Kalenjin warriors burnt the church, but did they also burn the kids in Naivasha? Did they slash people on the road to western? Did they forcefully circumcise people? A crime is a crime whether you call it retaliation or helping your own. Can you imagine if we all retaliated on bad things done to us by killing people associated with the ones who did them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-31949668701175043172008-12-04T18:12:00.000-08:002008-12-04T18:12:00.000-08:00I did not say Zimbabwe contributes to the UN. I sa...I did not say Zimbabwe contributes to the UN. I said those countries Mr. Raila is urging to gang up against Zimbabwe are the funders of these organizations. We should instead demand that these organizations take up what is rightly their job--what was actually the primary reason for their formation. And should be even today.<BR/><BR/>If we continue believing it is right to poke our noses into the affairs of others outside the established and recognized frameworks, then we should not be surprised when someone wakes up after a bad dream and declares we have weapons of mass destruction and should therefore be occupied! <BR/><BR/>"If you still believe that UN is a literal acronym for what it spells then I don't blame you."<BR/><BR/>I do not know what you mean by this, but if you are referring to those little "veto-power" games that Moscow plays with Washington D.C, then dont you agree it is time we did away with a UN constitution that holds us hostage? One that allows partisan international politics to frustrate what should be a noble agenda? And start embracing the positions voted for by a majority of the member states?<BR/>I know this cannot come easily, but if we profess democracy and a committment to the rule of law, there is no short cut, my brother. We will have to confront these challenges if we hope to continue living civilly.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile we should either do away with redundant organizations or play by the rules if we dont have the guts to do that.Vikiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12856714528491258384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-69530211250389236232008-12-04T17:18:00.000-08:002008-12-04T17:18:00.000-08:00Vikii,You have tried very hard bro to stick it out...Vikii,<BR/>You have tried very hard bro to stick it out. But browsing some INT100 would you do a great good. If you still believe that UN is a literal acronym for what it spells then I don't blame you. But I know you are smarter than that and just trying to mask you OBJECT. All the same cut the chase about entrusting UN and AU (and did you say Zim contributes to them?) and let the veil fly. Nice trial though.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-60582280761886356512008-12-04T16:17:00.000-08:002008-12-04T16:17:00.000-08:00Thanks sereast.Anon 1.41,I luv you too. How I wish...Thanks sereast.<BR/><BR/>Anon 1.41,I luv you too. How I wish you could get yourself a moniker.<BR/><BR/>Papa Plus, you are obviously entitled to write anything about anything--including my suspected imbibition.<BR/>I am not dismissing what the Raila/Zuma duo said. All I am saying is theirs are just opinions on the subject JUST LIKE mine and yours. I am just pointing out what is wrong with not just their suggestion, but also the notion that theirs are opinions we should jump onto, some superior opinions of sorts! One, they are not the elected heads of government in their countries (hence their clear lack of clout in shaping out any decision the elected African leaders ought to take) and two, the belief that countries should be ganging up against any undesired situation (about another country) is both sick and wrong. This popular belief that international intefernce is the new prescription sub-conciously stems out of our increasing fondness with the mob culture--that misplaced notion that assumes the majority are always right and so we should disregard the positions of existing law and 'fix' problems. Quickly.<BR/><BR/>Look, we can use any crisis situation as a springboard to fix that whih aint working. The Zimbabwe crisis, like so many others in the globe, calls for a re-examination of whether the organizations charged with arbitration of such disputes are indeed doing their job or they are there just on paper. The moment we accept the UN, for example, and the charter that ceated it, then we should have faith in it and always strive to make it effective in cases when it proves not. That is why I believe, as imperfect as it is, the UN and other similar groups like the AU are the only legitimate frameworks through which troubled nations should be helped to get on their feet. Why should we continue being members of organizations if we truly feel some problems are best solved outside those organizations? You can call this whatever you like (because I know 99% of all people probably believe like you do--that we should just bully those we disagree with out of their positions). But I refuse to buy into that.<BR/><BR/>Will, probably the best thing for me to do is to ignore you but I wont;<BR/><BR/>One, my support for a civil uprising in Zimbabwe should not be likened to the mediocrity we bore in January at home. That was not a civil unrest as you call it but an UNCIVIL one. I don't think for a moment that Zimbabweans should take pangas and go slashing the supporters of ZANU PF or raping those they disagree with. If they do that and if Zimbabwe has a police force, then that force should do what they are paid to do including shooting marauders on their buttocks--not once or twice but ten times!<BR/><BR/>Two, I, Victor, believe that even though Morgan Tsvangirai was not elected President by Zimbabweans, he at least won a pluraity of the poll in the first round. He was a clear favourite to win the run-off (and thus constitutionally become President) but government forces made it impossible for a democratic contest. So, clearly these are people who have been denied the right to choose their government. That is why they should rebel.<BR/>On the Kenyan front, I do not believe that the ODM won the election. They just came up with a fabrication that obviously sounded bewitching to you and others. Unlike in Zimbabwe, their candidate was not only free to campaign in any part of the country, but was also accorded government protection while on the trail. Since you are so keen to compare Kenya and Zimbabwe, I would be glad to see any sensible evidence that points to a clear affront on democracy in Kenya. Anything short of that, to me, is as hillarious as calls for mass action against 'the government' by a government minister. The ususal dumb stuff we are forced to live with!<BR/><BR/>That said, can someone tell me why President Bush is supposed to be dumb. While he may not be as razor-sharp as Presidents Obama, Clinton and many of the other former Presidents, HE IS NOT DUMB. He has such a long resume it would scare you. Let us not mistake popular opinions with the truth.Vikiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12856714528491258384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36773140284326380742008-12-04T15:23:00.000-08:002008-12-04T15:23:00.000-08:00Sarah Palin is the truth. Conservative hockey mum ...Sarah Palin is the truth. Conservative hockey mum truth. President Bush has been buffling to me of late. He came out and said he was sorry that the intel on WMDs was wrong and that he was not prepared to go to war. Now he is not moving back to Crawford to clear brush but rather to the BIG D to mingle with Kenyans chomaring nyama na beer on memorial day and kularing hepi!<BR/><BR/>He seems very lonely. I was telling my co worker that I can't possibly see what he will fill his days with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-40235431753394954722008-12-04T15:13:00.000-08:002008-12-04T15:13:00.000-08:00@Papa+Speaking of which Sarah Palin made Bush soun...@Papa+<BR/>Speaking of which Sarah Palin made Bush sound Shakespearian, ama? Next time you want us to take you seriously please PREFACE your post with address and some assorted exotic gem that blinds most to your nudity.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-5838146660388792882008-12-04T15:06:00.000-08:002008-12-04T15:06:00.000-08:00Taabu,I fear that you are right. Even more distres...Taabu,<BR/><BR/>I fear that you are right. Even more distressing is the fact that this is the type of reasoning and thinking that passes for serious intelligence in many of those that have access to the net and can therefore be considered educated and exposed to the outside world.<BR/><BR/>Now take my brother Kwale here. There is nothing wrong with liking/disliking a character. But once you make that statement, go ahead and qualify it with your view of the topic at hand so that we may understand your perspective. You can't merely rely on a Sarah Palin like response to carry the argument. In any case, if Raila is seeking political milage here, you have to admit that he is going about it in a very smart fashion.<BR/><BR/>Folks, Kibaki is not Mugabe. Kenya is not Zimbabwe. And thank God for that fact because we could have very easily descended to that quagmire. And if we didn't learn anything from Rwanda, it would be a shame to miss any lessons from Zimbabwe months after we were in almost the same hole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-87947507201236583092008-12-04T14:50:00.000-08:002008-12-04T14:50:00.000-08:00@Papa+,Look no further. Ever heard of blind RAGE t...@Papa+,<BR/>Look no further. Ever heard of blind RAGE that makes you shed all pretense albeit without knowing. It appears it ischeaper to attack characters while conviniently circling the subject. Sorry but I fear you will continue with the disappointment. We have taken it to new heights as a nation.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-4418113081428581192008-12-04T14:41:00.000-08:002008-12-04T14:41:00.000-08:00I love how folks will dismiss the subject matter a...I love how folks will dismiss the subject matter and venture into detailed analysis, suppositions and conspiracy thoeries concerning the the personalities around the subject. <BR/><BR/>I wonder, how did you fair in the exams? <BR/><BR/>Way too much subjectivity. At least pepper it with something concerning the topic at hand so we may benefit from your point of view, for christ sakes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-77724885039914201892008-12-04T14:31:00.000-08:002008-12-04T14:31:00.000-08:00And who is Raila? Obama's kassin?Someone tell Morg...And who is Raila? Obama's kassin?<BR/>Someone tell Morgan his way off track.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-4749001086300626512008-12-04T14:17:00.000-08:002008-12-04T14:17:00.000-08:00Raila is a Western tool. He made a deal with them ...Raila is a Western tool. He made a deal with them he can't get out of, now we can see he's doing their bidding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-90303746756791434292008-12-04T14:04:00.000-08:002008-12-04T14:04:00.000-08:00@Vikii It is very clear that you underestimate the...@Vikii <BR/><BR/>It is very clear that you underestimate the powerlessness of African civilians. We have seen this movie before. The tools Mugabe uses to shut up dissent are the exact same ones that Kibaki used. Shooting demonstrators in the buttocks does the trick. <BR/>Now, would Mugabe or Kibaki negotiate with anybody without external pressure? You forget that Kibaki changed his stance after receiving a riot act from Condoleezza Rice, a woman who did not represent any entity outside of the Bush administration. Her influence did some good and today we have peace although that toad is still canvassing at State House.<BR/>It’s about time we Africans used all means to remove such people from power. It’s disingenuous that you call for civil unrest today when last January, you and your conjoined twin brother Kalonzo were hiding under the bed as Kenyans were being hosed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-64511027306894533002008-12-04T13:55:00.000-08:002008-12-04T13:55:00.000-08:00Vikii,Yo man, am amazed that you postulate such se...Vikii,<BR/><BR/>Yo man, am amazed that you postulate such sentiments! Could it be that you have imbibed something that we don't know?<BR/><BR/>I agree with you on Zimbabwe. What these folks need is help and back up from their sisters and brothers in the continent.<BR/><BR/>Raila has to be commended for taking such open and bold opinions. It is high time that Africans start calling a spade a spade instead of hiding their filthy laundry from their citizens yet the rest of the world can see it. Mugabe has to be forced into exile ASAP. He has become part of the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-45610388359099265972008-12-04T13:41:00.000-08:002008-12-04T13:41:00.000-08:00Vikii is the best blogger in KK.Vikii, WE LOVE YOU...Vikii is the best blogger in KK.<BR/><BR/>Vikii, WE LOVE YOU!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-76889508373776724622008-12-04T11:04:00.000-08:002008-12-04T11:04:00.000-08:00Well spoken VikiiWell spoken Vikiisereasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02209549028101455415noreply@blogger.com