tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post2090177468334649424..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Exclusive: The ODM Advertisement That Kenyan TV Stations Wont AirUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-48313678197971413272008-02-21T03:50:00.000-08:002008-02-21T03:50:00.000-08:00i see nothing sensational or awakening about this ...i see nothing sensational or awakening about this video. ODM should not pre-dispose that its communicating a startling revelation. The change dogma is a cliche is a poor rendition of the Obama election rendition gathering momentum in the U.S. <BR/><BR/>I was rooting for ODM, but after the fracas in Kenya, recently id rather stick with the mundane ambiguity that is Kenyan politics than advocate for a type of change that is hinged on ethnic cleansing.(sic)!!.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-51889036133939722742008-01-19T06:36:00.000-08:002008-01-19T06:36:00.000-08:00the fact that you say "turn on your speakers and e...the fact that you say "turn on your speakers and enjoy!" is disturbing to me.<BR/>that odm would use the clashes in kuresoi and mt elgon to sell themselves is also disturbing.<BR/>i do not believe that this is wise political campaigning. this ad leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth towards odm, that they would glorify the maiming and killing of people for political ends.<BR/>i have been out of kenya and have not understood this odm euphoria and violence which has gripped the nation, but if these are the ways odm has been campaigning, i now understand it. <BR/>this is highly irresponsible and inflammatory campaigning in my personal view. you should not campaign politically with intimidating music and pictures of dead mutilated bodies. that is VERY bad. it is striking fear into people and is in no way whatsoever consructive politically. <BR/>if this is indicative of the way odm have been campaigning it is no surprise what has happened in kenya these past few weeks. it runs like a trailer to a horror movie, not a political advert.<BR/>kumekucha, with all respect, i think this is a very bad and very disturbing ad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-26618885767606905862007-12-13T02:39:00.000-08:002007-12-13T02:39:00.000-08:00Hii ni propaganda tupu bureee.All i can remind you...Hii ni propaganda tupu bureee.All i can remind you is "better the devil you know than the angel you dont know"If you are wise like me JIJAZIE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-69386626301653167052007-12-12T13:46:00.000-08:002007-12-12T13:46:00.000-08:00kenyan never learn ,they never learn especially fr...kenyan never learn ,they never learn especially from the comments i have seen.Africans have a big big problem.The choice is clear infront of you ODM & FAKE A** PNU.YET WE HAVE IDIOTS WHO WANT TO VOTE BACK KIBAKI IN AND WHEN S*** HITS THE FIT WILL BE THESE SAME IDIOTS WHO WILL BE COMPLAINING.KIBAKI HIMSELF SAID JUDGE ME BY MY PAST.SEE EVERYTHING THAT HE DID HE DID S***,NOTHING WHATSOEVER AND STILL WE HAVE IDIOTS .IDOTS WHO WILL STILL GO OUT AND VOTE FOR PNU THEN WHEN THEIR CHILDREN OR LOVED ONES DIE IN TRIBAL CLASHES,CRIME OR POLICE BRUTALITY THESE ARE THE SAME GUYS WHO COME TO OPEN THEIR MOUTH,THE LOUD TALKING SIMPLETONS.I TELL YOU IF PEOPLE ARE STUPID LIKE THIS IT'S EVEN A CURSE.HOW WILL AFRICA RISE IF THIS IS THE INTELLIGENTS THAT SUPPOSEDLY WE POSSESS.IDIOCY,LUNACY,BACKWARDNESS,MYOPIC VISION IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE POSSESS.DO YOU KNOW HOW EASY FOR AFRICANS IS IT TO RULE THIS WORLD LIVE ALONE BEING THE MOCKERY OF IT,DID YOU KNOW AFRICANS IN DIASPORA POSSESS THE HIGHEST QUALIFICATIONS TO ANY OTHER RACE(WHITE EUROPEAN,CHINESSE,INDIAN,MIDDLE EASTERN INCLUDING JEWS.IMAGINE THAT GOD HAS BLESSED US WITH SUCH GREAT KNOWLEDGE ,EVEN WHEN COMPARED TO WHITE AMERICANS ,THEY ARE JUST LUCKY THEY ARE WHITE AND THE COUNTRY PROTECTS THEIR INTERESTS AND MOST OF THEM ARE ILLITERATE OR HAVE AVERAGE EDUCATION,TO PROVE MY POINT THEIR BILLIONAIRES MOST EVEN DID NOT FINISH COLLEGE E.G. BILL GATES AND YET THEY TURNE TO BE THE RICHEST PEOPLE ON EARTH YET WE HAVE BETTER KNOWLEDGE THAN THESE GUYS AND STILL WE SUFFER HOW COME.GOD IS NOT UNFAIR,GOD LOVES AFRICANS THE MOST WE CAN SEE THIS BY HOW MORALLY UPRIGHT WE ARE AND WE REVEAR HIM NO MATTER WHAT.GOD BUILT US TO LAST (THE DARK SKIN IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE SUN),TO RULE THE WORLD EVERY RACE TRIES TO ACT WHITE WHEN THE WHITE MAN TRIES TO BE BLACK WE SEE THIS IN HIP HOP VIDEOS TO LIPOSUCTIONS ,BOOB LIFTS AND ALL TYPES OF SUGERIES.THEY RISK SKIN CANCER JUST TO GET A TAN WHY??? HAVE YOU SEEN A WHITE GUY WHO HAS A TAN HOW HAPPY HE IS AND HOW HE'S RECOGNISED BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE HATE GUYS THAT ARE TOO WHITE IT'S A FACT A TAN IS SEXY THAT'S WHY WHITE WOMEN KEEP RUNNING TO BLACK MEN.BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL,THE WORLD IS OURS AND THE FULLNESS THEREOF HAVEN'T YOU READ IN THE BIBLE THE ANGLES HAVE BRONZE SKIN WHICH IS THE SAME SKIN AS OURS THAT'S WHY WE SUFFER THE MOST IN THIS WORLD SATAN HATES US AND FOR A GOOD REASON BECAUSE WE ARE RULERS,KINGS ,QUEENS ,ANGELS ,SONS OF GOD ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THEM.WE ARE BLESSED FROM THE COUNTRY WE ARE IN TO THE PEOPLE WE ARE THE QUALTIES WE POSSESS......YET SLOW MINDS STILL WANT TO VOTE FOR IDIOTS,SOME THINGS ARE JUST HOPELESS.MAY GOD OPEN THEIR EYES.O LORD HELP THEM......................................Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-987413524637698442007-11-27T02:09:00.000-08:002007-11-27T02:09:00.000-08:00Its true bro that wamechimba nje but we cant ignor...Its true bro that wamechimba nje but we cant ignore politics nall the same. These people decide for us very many things and therefore we have to make some contribution.<BR/><BR/>Mine is to the PNU diehards. Most of us who contribute here are youths and there4 we have tobe focussed and look at matters over 20yrs ahead of us.<BR/><BR/>When your team is playing, you dont judge it by the goals it scores but those it accepts.On this am trying to discourage the those who judge the gvt by the few things it achieved and display this to voters forgeting the immense harms this gvt brought to Kenyans.You have either forgotten or you are deliberately closing one eye.<BR/>TAXES;<BR/> A m working in a busy commercial bank where I deal with peoples payslips like nobdys business. The Moi gvt used to take 2 from us and retun none.This gvt is taking 5 from us and returni 2.So where are we better off according to your calculations? This gvt is overtaxing us.<BR/>The Raila Manifesto doese not say that people dont pay tax but instead spread the tax base to many people so that in tatal we pay less. 10/2=5 and 10/5=2 though the tatal collection is 10.<BR/><BR/>SECURITY;<BR/>You have said there is peace and I think its coz you havent been a victim of any of the clashes where ppl have sufferd severely.These3 ppl are fighting for resources and not political as you out it and even if its political, the gvt shd destroy these politicians and ppl leave in peace.<BR/><BR/>UNITY;<BR/><BR/>When ppl talk of a unified but "NOT UNTILL THE PHILOSOPHY THAT HOLDS ONE TRIBE SUPERIOR AND OTHERS INFERIOR IS FINALLY AND........"Not untill that day then Kenya will be united.Not ,now.<BR/><BR/>CRRUPTION;<BR/>Nobody is born corrupt but the system makes him so.Kibaki system has for sure tempted those who are not corrupt to be.<BR/><BR/>WASTAGE OF PUBLIC FUNDS;<BR/><BR/>The commissions which came out with nothing in the end,the installation of Ringeras KACC,the Anglo leasing etc.<BR/><BR/>POOR CABINET APPOINTMENT;<BR/><BR/>We thoght this ended with the Moi gvt but we saw it after Refferendum. No MERIT at all.Some were pulled in just after akina so and so demanded,"Whether they work or not, you have to please me."<BR/><BR/>DEVOLUTION;<BR/><BR/>Its not proper for somebody from Mandera to come to Nairobi for PUBLIC SERVICE job interview and you know it, it should be done Mandera under a devolved gvt.<BR/><BR/>FUTURE;<BR/><BR/>Do you want to tell me that you are placing your 20yrs future in Njega,Michuki,Awori,Nyachae,Moi and Kibaki?<BR/><BR/>INFLATION;<BR/><BR/>The gvt says that as economy grows, farmers should be payed more and there4 consumers pay more for local consumables, at this rate, what will the loaf of bread cost at over 10% growth? The gvt shd pay the farmers well and subsidise so that the consumer doese not suffer full burden.<BR/><BR/>PAST MISTAKES;<BR/><BR/>The PNU is advocating to forget obout past mistakes meaning that past looters ,and land grabbers shd not be touched as it will lead to bloodshed.No wonder Moi and Uhuru are clinging to them.Doese this mean that anybody who will be able to empty public coffers and get away with it shd not be touched ,in the future? There is no present or future without past n thats why we have History.<BR/><BR/>PLEASE SHUN TRIBALISM FOR A MOMENT AND REASON PROPERLY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-72477097075451424042007-11-22T05:27:00.000-08:002007-11-22T05:27:00.000-08:00Absent Without Leave (AWOL)Where is Raila? He left...Absent Without Leave (AWOL)<BR/><BR/>Where is Raila? He left our shores on Monday without saying goodbye. While turmoil surrounded the ODM nominations Raila was catching a plane out of the country. <BR/><BR/>It is rumoured that Raila has gone to meet representatives of Energem Resources, a company which owns 55% of Spectre International (the company that owns Kisumu Molasses plant). I assume he’s gone to get more funds from them, possibly in return for a promise to hand them the Kenya Pipeline Company if and when he comes to power? <BR/><BR/>The reference in the ODM manifesto to Kenya Pipeline Company as the sole asset that ODM will commercialise, is very conspicuous. Having opposed the privatization of Kengen, Telkom and Safaricom, why now is Raila saying very clearly that he will privatize Kenya Pipeline Company if he is elected president? <BR/><BR/>ENDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-39757998879854989642007-11-22T04:32:00.000-08:002007-11-22T04:32:00.000-08:00We need leaderes who are sober and know actually w...We need leaderes who are sober and know actually what they are telling kenya especially on matters concerning development, business, economy, poverty, equality etc<BR/><BR/>Look at the Teusday 20th Daily Nation and you will know that kenya is not the Third most unequal nation, it is the 42nd in the developing countries list, from the world bank and UNDP data. You will also learn that countries with devolved systems are more unequal than unitary states.<BR/><BR/>Ruto has been trying to talk the finance, investment and economy talk in ODM but, he really doest understand it all. How can someone tell us that Telkom was being sold within a month? The process began in 2003 and IFC(an agent of the World bank) has been overseeing the process. <BR/><BR/>Last week but one Raila wrote to the commissioner general of KRA asking them to waive the tax register compliance rule. And he got his answer that evening from on TV, taxes are the livelihood of the Nation. How does he expect to fulfill his promises without collecting taxes? Kibakis admin is credited of streamlining tax collection and enabling Kenya to be less dependant on foreign aid, does he want to reverse this? <BR/><BR/>The Orange group keep telling us that we will pay less for commodities and they will give us free this free that etc, They need to realize that free things are what will make us more poor. People must work hard to earn a living, thats how we develop, thats how we progress. Get free advice from Morris the Clinton Critique, or is he the clinton campaighn champion? and kenya will pay for the next 10 generations.<BR/><BR/>We all need to know that what we need most is<BR/>1. Peace, which we already have<BR/>2. Free trade, which we already have<BR/>3. Empowering our people to know that the power to succeed and prosper is within their hands (not politicians)<BR/>4. working hard and owning our country, we have let the hardworking Indians own most things, factories, businesses, schools, etc, what are we doing?<BR/>5. Education; we need to improve our education and change the orientation from academic to professionals. We need to create thinkers, innovation, business pros, etc not more and more degrees.<BR/>6. We need to believe in ourselves and stop whining over our successful brothers. We need to rise and walk the talk. if the son of a peanut hawker rose and became head of NSE by his own merits, and is a member of an investment company that owns most listed companies in Kenya, is it his fault? if a farmers son went to school and succeeded in the banking arena that he began a bank that competes with the Mighty European banks, what is wrong? Put your effort, believe in yourself and stay on course. you will get there.<BR/><BR/>Forget about politics, Its not about you or your mother in shags, its not about the guys who die every day on political clashes, IT IS ALL ABOUT A FEW KENYANS approximately 1000 of them whose proffesion is POLITICS!<BR/><BR/>Those of you in the Diaspora, especially those who struggle every year to renew their VISA's to keep staying there, YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN YOURSELVES AND YOUR COUNTRY. Rudini nyumbani mjenge taifa, whacheni kutangatanga kwa wenyewe. What do you lack at home? I hear some of you even fake marrige, you are the most esteem malnourished individuals and I beg you stop commenting on what is happening here coz you dont even like it here.<BR/><BR/><BR/> Fanya Kazi.<BR/>Wacha Kazi IendeleeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-82078940264359058962007-11-18T07:09:00.000-08:002007-11-18T07:09:00.000-08:00What they promise is a pipedream. The multiple pro...What they promise is a pipedream. The multiple projects that ODM says they will pursue cannot be financed from the national budget. Their sums just don’t add up. <BR/><BR/><BR/>- Their infrastructure pledges (they are pledging to invest 10% of GDP) will require 36% of total national expenditure, leaving no resources to pay for public service wages and pensions, health, education and other services. <BR/><BR/>- We'd need to double the current budget from 27 percent of GDP to nearly 50 percent of GDP to pay for the projects that ODM has promised. Kenyans would either have to pay twice as much in taxes or depend again on donor support to prop up our economy. It’s retrogressive. We're being asked to revert to the dark days of donor dependency.<BR/><BR/>- The ODM's manifesto would lead to three outcomes (i) increased taxation (ii) higher public borrowing, and (iii) economic contraction from the current 6 percent economic growth rate to a "nyayo rate of growth" of between 2-3 percent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-42311541348560357252007-11-17T16:05:00.000-08:002007-11-17T16:05:00.000-08:00THE GOVT MUST HAVE CENSORED THIS. LAST WEEK THE PO...THE GOVT MUST HAVE CENSORED THIS. LAST WEEK THE POLICE COMMISSIONER SANCTIONED THE DESTRUCTION OF ODM / ADOPT A LIGHT BILL BOARDS CLAIMING THEY ARE INCITING ET AL -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-4730618386951005422007-11-17T14:20:00.000-08:002007-11-17T14:20:00.000-08:00This is the usual ODM nonsense from Phil. The Mt. ...This is the usual ODM nonsense from Phil. The Mt. Elgon clashes have been perpetrated by the ODM nominee who just happens to be in prison for his crimes. Talk of hypocrisy:<BR/><BR/>"Mr Fred Kapondi, who is being held in Bungoma GK Prison for promoting war-like activities in clash-torn Mt Elgon District, has been declared the winner in hotly disputed ODM nominations"<BR/>http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143977615&cid=159Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-8877073744030806352007-11-16T22:09:00.000-08:002007-11-16T22:09:00.000-08:00one of the benefits of the kibaki admin is freedom...one of the benefits of the kibaki admin is freedom of speech and expression which ODM have but propaganda which is ful of lies kama kusema kenyans have been discriminated and the govt is behind killing kenyans is causing un rest in the public. ukiona propaganda za PNU they have not attacked a person and are on policys because ODM are insuating that KIBAKI directly ordered such evils which should be proven first before been discussed in a public forum.cloud9mindstatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10568470514048177028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13640445799904692892007-11-15T23:53:00.000-08:002007-11-15T23:53:00.000-08:00mpende msipende,the future is orange.good job.i ca...mpende msipende,the future is orange.good job.i cant help it but laugh wen that woman went to nation carrin a std paper,ha!they are all sick.WACHA WAPUMZIKE,wazee wapumzike.Raila damu.<BR/>wakikuyu,mwache ukabila,OPEN UR EYES.<BR/>lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-51451378859862739602007-11-15T05:17:00.000-08:002007-11-15T05:17:00.000-08:00David Kariuki Kimani (Kikuyu damu)Proper Agenda or...David Kariuki Kimani (Kikuyu damu)<BR/><BR/>Proper Agenda or Propaganda? I will choose the former since this government has always meant what they say. It seems that the ODM has really rattled it but be sure, we shall not be bitten. IT IS TIME FOR REAL AND SUSTAINABLE CHNAGE. No more mamlukis please!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-45982679679541082482007-11-14T07:20:00.000-08:002007-11-14T07:20:00.000-08:00it sad to see the Nation our fathers fought for de...it sad to see the Nation our fathers fought for descend into a tribal and hate society. with all this animosity Majimbo is sure to break the nation. kura kwa raila.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-34958162793778862862007-11-14T05:11:00.000-08:002007-11-14T05:11:00.000-08:00Why are these idle Kenyans interfering with this m...Why are these idle Kenyans interfering with this medium of communication?<BR/>Clear proof that there is something the status quo is either protecting or wishes to embark on if they retain power.<BR/>My answer is both.<BR/>If you care about your children's future then think twice before you vote in December.If they retain power-things will never be the same again.<BR/>You know who the PNU chief campaigner is?<BR/>Kibaki,Moi,Kenyatta families now have a common agenda : to protect what they stole from innocent Kenyans.<BR/>The choice is yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-74266211359005996512007-11-14T03:12:00.000-08:002007-11-14T03:12:00.000-08:00Who is Kibaki? Is this the father-in-law of Artur ...Who is Kibaki? Is this the father-in-law of Artur Margaryan??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-71776949869848788482007-11-13T14:30:00.000-08:002007-11-13T14:30:00.000-08:00Hi, put this thing on Youtube and give it good Tag...Hi, put this thing on Youtube and give it good Tags to get hits on it.If you need help let me know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-49811016424049948042007-11-13T06:26:00.000-08:002007-11-13T06:26:00.000-08:00There a code of conduct in adverts. You don't ment...There a code of conduct in adverts. You don't mention names in a negative light.Imagine Celtel advert mentioning safaricom in a bad light in their advert?? Its not acceptable. Domo advert does not mention personalities it just uses tact to send the message home. I think the ODM advert is very bogus and wont sell anywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-28536141911315197802007-11-13T05:07:00.000-08:002007-11-13T05:07:00.000-08:00The clip is riveting to say the least ,and it is d...The clip is riveting to say the least ,and it is damn good piece of propaganda.Having said that, the fact remains that it is just propaganda and just meant to incite Kenyans.As someone commented Kenyans have a short memory and that is what makes us move on with ease and have had peace in a region that is synonymous with war.Anyway what the Oranges want Kenyans to be is Lemons and they incite Machungu for Machungwa Kenyans should vote wisely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-51792107039608859862007-11-13T02:27:00.000-08:002007-11-13T02:27:00.000-08:00Continue posting them we will sambaza by e-mailContinue posting them we will sambaza by e-mailAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-79441706570995179062007-11-13T02:08:00.000-08:002007-11-13T02:08:00.000-08:00Phil get real am a media guy myself and take it fr...Phil get real am a media guy myself and take it from me no house will air that advert with or without threats.<BR/>Be more creative and stop concetrating only on attacking PNU and its perceived failures.<BR/><BR/>Cold manAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-58404568877434889532007-11-13T01:18:00.000-08:002007-11-13T01:18:00.000-08:00I heard this one on Radio, Luke you amuse me somet...I heard this one on Radio, Luke you amuse me sometimes ati "we are dealing with a member of the pentagone here?". Thanks to technology, internet and people like Phil we get intelligence information that the media cannot publish and the government hide from us.<BR/><BR/>Its a small world they should know.Jamiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12285474713138710666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-84053297809107608822007-11-13T00:50:00.000-08:002007-11-13T00:50:00.000-08:00The devil is the the person who watched as other K...The devil is the the person who watched as other Kenyans died.<BR/>-The devil is the one who watched as people looted our money.<BR/>-The devil is the one who watched as Kenyans died of hunger yet food was rotting in other ares.<BR/>-The devil watched as people killed one another and did not bat an eyelid or comment.<BR/>-The devil watched as Kenyans discriminated against felloe Kenyans and fired them from their jobs bcoz they belonged to the wrong tribe.<BR/>-The devil is the one who is arrogant and refers to all other Kenyans as Lazy and celebrates when he or she hears that some communities are poor.<BR/>I tell you these are the real Satan in our country na we bind them pepo mbaya washidwe kabisa!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-27128301428197452822007-11-12T11:14:00.000-08:002007-11-12T11:14:00.000-08:00hi can you post it so we can download it pls? in k...hi can you post it so we can download it pls? in kenya links are slow we would love to circulate via email pls help!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-34330985639671883162007-11-12T10:54:00.000-08:002007-11-12T10:54:00.000-08:00I have watched the advert. It is so easy for pnu t...I have watched the advert. It is so easy for pnu to spin such a thing. Relate it to majimbo and then show clips of clashes in burnt-forest and kilifi and kuresoi and migori with the a background of ruto talking of majimbo and ntimama and put in raila with his devil-worshipping ways.<BR/><BR/>.............................<BR/><BR/>It wouldn't work because the relation you insinuate to doesn't exsist, neither can it be achieved through the wild guessing you mentioned. The One ODM created here is about security while PNU can't show Ruto threatening anyone to be killed. Moreover, these clashes are about water and pasture, which can be solved through increasing funds for Arid/semi arid and where it is about land, trying to resettle the people in the most amicable manner. North Eastern is big but people fight over water and it is like that in other areas though If Ntimama is bad and thus may cause ODM some damage in your thinking, thanks that PNU has Moi who supported Ntimama on whatever he did and said. Don't forget total man too, and many other elements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com