tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post1677582341672322476..comments2024-03-24T12:17:00.460-07:00Comments on You Missed This: Daring Mungiki Now Knock Kibaki’s DoorUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91543637550440288112008-04-17T08:50:00.000-07:002008-04-17T08:50:00.000-07:00You seem to forget or ignore that there is evidenc...<I>You seem to forget or ignore that there is evidence which BBC has obtained that points to the fact that some Mungiki members had a meeting or meetings with someone in State House. Who leaves in the big house?<BR/><BR/>I must say I do not have evidence to substantiate these allegations. But, why are u so quick to dimiss them yet, so unwilling to do the same in the case of Ruto? <BR/><BR/>My point is this, if u do not wish to believe independent reports that Mungiki has met some very senior leaders, then, u ought also not to believe the so - called independent reports about Ruto. After all, they are all independent reports.</I><BR/><BR/>The BBC <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7279149.stm" REL="nofollow">reported</A> that a Gikuyu man had alleged that three senior members of Mungiki had met at State House both before and after the election. That, of itself would not be sufficient to convict in court. Taabu and others argued that if there was any evidence of Ruto’s involvement, then it ought to be given to the police; anything else was, in their terms, udaku, and hence not worth listening to or relying on. When the allegations concern Ruto, only courtroom-standard evidence is acceptable; when the allegations concern PNU, evidence below courtroom quality is acceptable. That is an obvious double-standard, hence the second para of my earlier post.<BR/><BR/>That argument doesn’t, as you seem to suppose, rely on the claim that there’s no evidence <I>for</I> government complicity with MungikiDaniel Waweruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03823498765657620266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36663696637331813732008-04-17T07:25:00.000-07:002008-04-17T07:25:00.000-07:00ohoo Kwale, the great sage speaks, all other morta...ohoo Kwale, the great sage speaks, all other mortals hold your peace. Kubafu, go advise your kids and villagersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-84247195078798762152008-04-17T06:24:00.000-07:002008-04-17T06:24:00.000-07:00Well Taabu, Uneducated I maybe but I am not a quit...Well Taabu, Uneducated I maybe but I am not a quitter I have been conditioned to endure, persevere and yield results and that’s who I am.<BR/><BR/>I have been called many times in this blog uneducated and a fool but that’s ok with me.<BR/>I may have not gotten myself one of those cheap degrees from Nairobi university but make no mistake I am no fool. I know what I am talking about mate!<BR/><BR/>The moment you stop looking up to your political leaders to put the bread on your table, that’s the day your path will get brighter and brighter.<BR/><BR/>When I look at European football league, it is dominated by players from sub-Saharan Africa and yet not a single Kenyan. Does that makes you wonder why? It’s not because were not talented but we like to get things delivered to us on a platter. We are only worried who is in the govt who is out, when will my kinsman be the next president, who eat sukuma wiki and ugali 8x a week and so on… petty little that will not help you.<BR/><BR/>If all the goods jobs have been taken, then dream. Be the next Kofi Annan, Samuel Et’oo, Tiger woods, Lewis Hamilton, Bill Gates, Koby Bryant, Muhammed Ali….<BR/>Richard Branson the founder of Virgin brand drop out of school, Conrad Hilton the founder of Hilton Hotel Empire was a factory worker before he dreamt of owing a bed and breakfast, JK Rowling was a unemployed single mother living in a council estate in a deprived area of North England and now she is a billionairess and the second richest woman in the world after Oprah Winfrey …. and the list goes on.<BR/>Stop mumbling about the govt and get up your arse do something muhimu with your life otherwise you will die without a hope or future and leave your children to suffer.<BR/>KwaleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-18375131761981666022008-04-17T05:55:00.000-07:002008-04-17T05:55:00.000-07:00Who the f@#$&K is Danlieve? I have a hunch either ...Who the f@#$&K is Danlieve? I have a hunch either he could be Chris' alter-ego or the dude maybe died! How elese can one explain it?<BR/><BR/>M-Pesa<BR/><BR/>Nbi Kenya!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-68479497396620087232008-04-17T05:15:00.000-07:002008-04-17T05:15:00.000-07:00Kwale why are you trying so hard to measure to ste...Kwale why are you trying so hard to measure to stereotypical KWALE? Your ego must have ballon by now after you successful massages. Please take your lower primary civics elsewhere. Two wrongs never made a right and you only fool yourself with auto erotic antics. Stop deriving pleasure in your signature. You beter know who you are and stop believing otherwise.Taabuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559980653513330275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-59864686874080847992008-04-17T05:14:00.000-07:002008-04-17T05:14:00.000-07:00Where is Sam OKello when you need his advice and t...Where is Sam OKello when you need his advice and take on these issues? Sam Okello we need your insights on <BR/>(1) Mungiki<BR/>(2)The swearing in of the cabinet<BR/>(3) Future of Uhuru Kenyatta<BR/><BR/><BR/>Please Sam, repond!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-40564039109397540832008-04-17T05:08:00.000-07:002008-04-17T05:08:00.000-07:00Does anyone know there are about forty outlawed mi...Does anyone know there are about forty outlawed militias/vigilante groups in the country?<BR/><BR/>Does this not say something about the state of our youth today? Disfranchised, disoriented, dysfunctional and easily manipulated by politicians for political gains.<BR/><BR/>Since that fateful day on December 27, many cheap-to-hire thugs were recruited by ODM to fight against those perceived to have voted for PNU, notably Kalenjin Warriors while Taliban and Bagdad Boys waged their own war directed to PNU supporters in slums and in the Kisumu respectively.<BR/>This was followed by waves of reprisals and counter-reprisals which saw 'some long time gone' most dreaded groups like Mungiki, Chinkororo, Sungusungu and Achuma re-surfacing.<BR/>Unfortunately two wrongs don’t make a right and now we must reap what our politicians have sown – hate.<BR/><BR/>This issue of Majiboism /Lesotho should never have been brought up in the first place and it’s should be dropped outright. Much of the violence was blamed on this Majiboism.<BR/><BR/>KwaleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-76496304325479866952008-04-17T04:20:00.000-07:002008-04-17T04:20:00.000-07:00Whatever there is in the public doamin is treated ...Whatever there is in the public doamin is treated purely as just that rumours or hearsay.Whether its on mungiki or ruto and to believe it or not will vary from person to person depending on his or her analysis although some is so or too compelling to be asumed in public debate albeit it should not supposed to be used to suit whoever it suits or when it suits one.So like anon 2:56 said he was right.<BR/><BR/>Mungiki is never and will never be our business until it spreads murk on our faces like when we cant stay longer int the city of nairobi or when the fares hike up 10 fold and or when my distant cousin living in mathare and owns a plot or two is coerced for protection fee as if he never pays taxes and rates to get services from an illegal govt albeit with inept police at the same time.<BR/><BR/>I rest my case thus far.Knoppix!®https://www.blogger.com/profile/14484658617500845929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-73689076867271279792008-04-17T03:41:00.000-07:002008-04-17T03:41:00.000-07:00Anon @2.56, well said! To Daniel Waweru, it can't ...Anon @2.56, well said! To Daniel Waweru, it can't be right when it suits your case and wrong when it doesn't. There's <B>ample evidence</B> in the public domain that mungiki enjoy the patronage of well placed Mt. Kenya region ministers at the heart of the Kibaki administration. Kibaki made his bed, let him lie in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-86312987528053506842008-04-17T03:21:00.000-07:002008-04-17T03:21:00.000-07:00Mr Odinga was the first cabinet member to take the...Mr Odinga was the first cabinet member to take the oath of office. <BR/><BR/>"I, Raila Amolo Odinga, do swear that I will be faithful to the president of the Republic of Kenya and to serve it with all my heart and that I shall preserve, protect and defend the constitution of Kenya by law established. So help me God." <BR/><BR/>We thank God.Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10220130687170345532008-04-17T03:00:00.000-07:002008-04-17T03:00:00.000-07:00I understand that RAO got intelligence reports tha...I understand that RAO got intelligence reports that mungiki were spread all over the country to deal accordingly as instructed should the Cabinet deal not work. Well this made him rush to sign the deal with Kibaki to save the country even though he got split bones in the form of ministries. Well that's a statesman for you.<BR/><BR/>And while that was done, mungiki felt cooked up and they are now demanding maripo pare pare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13255950939206442472008-04-17T02:56:00.001-07:002008-04-17T02:56:00.001-07:00To Daniel Waweru,U said that: Compare that with th...To Daniel Waweru,<BR/><BR/>U said that: <BR/><BR/>Compare that with the case of William Ruto: there was good independent evidence of his involvement in planning and funding post-election violence; you argued that unless the evidence were of a sufficient quality to convict in a court of law, the claims that he was involved in the violence ought not to be made. The evidential double-standard is obvious.<BR/><BR/>My comment:<BR/><BR/>You seem to forget or ignore that there is evidence which BBC has obtained that points to the fact that some Mungiki members had a meeting or meetings with someone in State House. Who leaves in the big house?<BR/><BR/>I must say I do not have evidence to substantiate these allegations. But, why are u so quick to dimiss them yet, so unwilling to do the same in the case of Ruto? <BR/><BR/>My point is this, if u do not wish to believe independent reports that Mungiki has met some very senior leaders, then, u ought also not to believe the so - called independent reports about Ruto. After all, they are all independent reports. <BR/><BR/>Mwarang'etheAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-5283132730668170232008-04-17T02:56:00.000-07:002008-04-17T02:56:00.000-07:00Odinga sworn in as Kenyan premier http://news.bbc....Odinga sworn in as Kenyan premier <BR/><BR/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7351842.stm<BR/><BR/>We give thanks to GOD.Let us preach PEACE and walk PEACE.Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-75654894332363942412008-04-17T01:48:00.000-07:002008-04-17T01:48:00.000-07:00Mungiki are listed in the encyclopedia of anthropo...Mungiki are listed in the encyclopedia of anthropology as direct descendants of Muturapithicus, a tobacco chewing, tree-dwelling species that roamed the forests of Mt. Kenya more than 20,000 years ago. The species is characterized by a sloping forehead, an overhanging brow, discoloured teeth, laboured intelligence and deep-seated hatred for anything female.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-11589192846085430512008-04-17T01:47:00.000-07:002008-04-17T01:47:00.000-07:00CHARLES.NAIROBI.Was Virginia carrying 5million fro...CHARLES.NAIROBI.<BR/>Was Virginia carrying 5million from a bank?only insiders could have been aware of the free loot.....word had it that she wasn't BAILING OUT THUGS anymore!<BR/>WHY DO THESE THUMB SUCKING ATTENTION CRAVING COWARDS come out only at night unlike ordinary Kenyans we woke up EVERYDAY with stones to MAKE OUR CAUSE KNOWN....AND IN BROAD DAYLIGHT!<BR/>The truth is MUNGIKI are a bunch of FAKE IDLERS who want it easy hiding under the camouflage of Kikuyu culture!!<BR/>It is true in The bible Deutronomy-women should not weat trousers but thats upto them and not PETTY THUGS LIKE MUNGIKI to DECIDE! <BR/>The govt TRIED IN VAIN TO USE THEIR GUERILLA TACTICS AND as expected FAILED MISERABLY losing by OVER 2million votes to ODM!!<BR/>AS YOU make your bed so you shall lay in it!<BR/>Virginia should have channeled all that IDLE ENERGY into something positive....STILL A THIEF is a thief this group relies HEAVILY ON RUMOURS....AND THREATS.....its just a matter of time and Kibaki must settle his debts with these HOOLIGANS... he probably even took the oath!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-23020815087777820652008-04-17T01:29:00.000-07:002008-04-17T01:29:00.000-07:00You say the most absurd things. Let’s consider (i)...You say the most absurd things. <BR/><BR/>Let’s consider (i) that most Gikuyu MPs are complicit in using Mungiki in the post-election violence, (ii) that most Central Kenya leaders are complicit in using Mungiki in the post-election violence, (iii) that the NSIS staff have <I>deliberately</I> refused to do their duty for ethnic reasons, (iv) that Uhuru Kenyatta is the patron of Mungiki, and (iv) the claim that the very highest levels of the state are patrons, or protectors of, Mungiki.<BR/><BR/>We’ll pass over the crude <I>Kangura</I>-esque smears: they’re par for the course on Kumekucha. You provide no evidence whatever for any of the very serious claims above, but feel able to assert them. Compare that with the case of William Ruto: there was good independent evidence of his involvement in planning and funding post-election violence; you argued that unless the evidence were of a sufficient quality to convict in a court of law, the claims that he was involved in the violence ought not to be made. The evidential double-standard is obvious.<BR/><BR/>You ignore facts already in the public domain which make life difficult for your claims. The security services had some information on the Mungiki attacks, ambushes were set for them on Sunday night; the surveillance at Njenga’s house and farm; the very fact that Njenga is under arrest, and that the police had been tracking his wife; the fact that there have been two extraordinarily brutal crackdowns on Mungiki in the last two and a half years; the fact that, only recently, they tried to kill Michuki – partly because his crackdown when he was Minister for transport deprived them of their main source of income; that they have burnt Uhuru in effigy outside his father's tomb - hardly the mark of respect traditionally given to patrons; that they were amongst the first organisations to be banned by the Kibaki government, and so on. By Kagwanja’s <A HREF="http://www.kenyanpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/kagwanja-on-youth.pdf" REL="nofollow">account</A>, Mungiki had shrunk to 25% of its size in 2004. <BR/><BR/>Mungiki are a deeply unpleasant bunch, and the sooner they are put to bed, the better. Your crude attempt to use their doings to smear Central province MPs and other government figures, is beneath contempt.Daniel Waweruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03823498765657620266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57444239575835936712008-04-17T01:25:00.000-07:002008-04-17T01:25:00.000-07:00DID SOMEONE ASK WHY NYUMBA YA MUMBI ISN'T SAYING M...DID SOMEONE ASK WHY NYUMBA YA MUMBI ISN'T SAYING MUCH HERE?? THE WORD IS 'KEEP DOMOS OCCUPIED DON'T TELL THE SECRET'!! (LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE PLEASE!!!. FYI-RAO IS NOW KIKUYUNISED AND WILL NOT BE SAYING NOTHING ANYMORE....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-33033105848569822632008-04-17T00:40:00.000-07:002008-04-17T00:40:00.000-07:00M-pesaBecause we have been there and we know what ...M-pesa<BR/><BR/>Because we have been there and we know what the problem is, and why they and you are trying to turn it into a national issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-74384657060918233292008-04-17T00:39:00.000-07:002008-04-17T00:39:00.000-07:00I reiterateMungiki was formed to address two issue...I reiterate<BR/><BR/>Mungiki was formed to address two issues<BR/>a) cultural deviation - they believe western culture had diluted intrinsic Kikuyu traditional values and this was a way to bring the Kikuyus back to their culture<BR/>b) find means to redress gross injustice perpetuated by Kenyatta in displacing the mau mau from their lands in central and providing them token pieces in other parts eventually leading to a vast number of them settling in Rift Valley<BR/>Theif beef is with urbanised elite Kikuyus and remnants of Kenyatta era usurpers<BR/><BR/>In short its a Kikuyu problem, let them deal with their dome's or lets all agree for Lesotho while they sort it out internally. It should not become a national problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-21510810869522085032008-04-17T00:30:00.000-07:002008-04-17T00:30:00.000-07:00Dimwits:If this is only a Kikuyu problem, why the ...Dimwits:<BR/><BR/>If this is only a Kikuyu problem, why the hell should you care?? Ahaaa!M. Pesahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14168126497090037314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-54702261030386907272008-04-16T23:48:00.000-07:002008-04-16T23:48:00.000-07:00Mungiki is definately a kikuyu problem which shoul...Mungiki is definately a kikuyu problem which should strictly and quickly be discussed and means of containing it be found and applied at athuri meeting. There is no need to play naive and try to nationalise a provincial problem. <BR/><BR/>I listened to another "expert" on sects (sic) on radio this morning pulling the often abused and overused explanation that in the IDP camps in eldoret and jamhuri were found only old men and women, women and men, and girls and children. That the young men found ways to cope with loss of their land in central alias being permanent idps in rift valley by being recruited in mungiki (sic). The young people ho have been neglected are sprinkled throughout Kenya and are mainly found in North Eastern, Coast and Nyanza. And even they only " protest" genuine causes such as "obvious" electoral theft and other such weighty national matters. Otherwise each region/tribe would have a gang of their own.<BR/><BR/>I think mungiki should protest against this blatant misuse of their group by politicians for political expediency and their undecent dumping. The only thing they should do is target the real culprits since this is not a national issue and i believe it was willing seller (of thuggery/terrorism) willing buyer (some kikuyu politicians). We were not part of the "i will still elections and reward you" mou and we should not be dragged into it. Even kikuyus who are not part of the movement should be left out of this.<BR/><BR/>By the way, it now looks real more than ever for those who have closed their eyes to this forever that there are only two tribes in Kenya, the rich and poor. My advice to mungiki is that they should refuse to be used from today onwards by the rich persons from their tribes and join other Kenyans in fighting for justice for all. It's not yet too late because "vijana tusilale, bado mapambano."<BR/><BR/>GentlemanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-42562506991345642092008-04-16T23:47:00.000-07:002008-04-16T23:47:00.000-07:00and they were sinners even unto their mothers womb...and they were sinners even unto their mothers womb!Lukainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08384856589959189117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-85493585073507566252008-04-16T22:55:00.000-07:002008-04-16T22:55:00.000-07:00If your father was a saint, do you become a saint ...If your father was a saint, do you become a saint by association? If your father was a drankard, do you become a drunkard by asscociation - if your father was a sinner, do you become a sinner by association, if your father was a polygamist, do you become a polygamist by association. Kenyans and especially you and me the elites in the western capitals - its time we matured and became a force for reconciliation and hope. Mungiki will be a central problem today, tomoorow you are not sure whom it will consume. Lets be patriotic and share in the pain of others and God will deliver us from hate and innuendosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-16491316388740100392008-04-16T22:22:00.000-07:002008-04-16T22:22:00.000-07:00people please it is quite clear that maina's wife ...people please it is quite clear that maina's wife was killed coz of missusing cashAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-10852497432568941472008-04-16T22:21:00.002-07:002008-04-16T22:21:00.002-07:00heheheheheheh i can see u still got no love for ki...heheheheheheh i can see u still got no love for kikuyus. well mungiki is an eveil that is affecting everyone and everywea n its not jus kikuyus in it any more even young men n women from other tribes are joining. Mungiki is not connceted to any politician or they would not have been killed as they were in June 2007. Even from today 17/april/08 u will see smoke n dust from all over the country. U will be shockedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com