tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post1062575189495859156..comments2024-03-28T17:52:49.942-07:00Comments on You Missed This: The Magic Key And Why Taabu's Call Should Be HeededUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-54865015227491791912008-03-02T10:43:00.000-08:002008-03-02T10:43:00.000-08:00I've been wondering when you would get tired of al...I've been wondering when you would get tired of all these I hate Kibaki posts.<BR/>It is over now. How it happened, I am 100% sure you don't know as you are neither Kibaki, Raila or the guys in the room.<BR/><BR/>Just relax and enjoy yourself. <BR/><BR/>You sound to me like someone who has nothing better to post..Kenyans are tired and I know you are too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-27935220769429796172008-02-29T13:35:00.000-08:002008-02-29T13:35:00.000-08:00One very clever man said when two people come with...One very clever man said when two people come with a compromise that they don´t really like but can live with it then i´ts a good one,but when they come up whith one that they all like then i´ts a bad one so let´s wait and see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-90660769089258241042008-02-29T12:07:00.000-08:002008-02-29T12:07:00.000-08:00anonymous 7.09 i meant kibaki didnt change his min...anonymous 7.09 i meant kibaki didnt change his mind willingly he was coaxed into it that much we all know....their past actions betray them...thats why i heard him say contemptuously 'tumekubaliana na raira huyu' (i thought raila was going to faint!!)<BR/><BR/>you are asking guys to speculate on who pushed the coaxing button..... well here goes......it was neither of them......<BR/><BR/>kikwete and annan are both representing the interests of the usa....let us not lie to each other......annan was the facilitator of the 'mediation' and when he facilitated nothing much was gained from the discussions the last we heard was karua calling him unprintable names....... after he suspended the talks..... (emmissary) kikwete, the good boy he is ran to give kibaki america's last word on the matter.....before (military deployment?!!) remember bush had just been there a few days ago....of course they talked...and then voila!!.....'tumekubaliana na raira huyu'!!??<BR/><BR/>well those who say kibaki was threatened may just be right!! i am not ruling out anything at this point but the one thing i know for sure.....america did it!!<BR/><BR/>and yes i did change my mind anon....i used to think i just hate kibaki and karua....now.... i loathe them!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-15241294298170341572008-02-29T12:03:00.000-08:002008-02-29T12:03:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-28570701150366841622008-02-29T11:40:00.000-08:002008-02-29T11:40:00.000-08:00Martha Karua is sick HIV treatment from South Afri...Martha Karua is sick HIV treatment from South Africa!! that is why she has been behaving crazy!!pray for her!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-26220264653034220892008-02-29T10:45:00.000-08:002008-02-29T10:45:00.000-08:00yes healing comes first- let see how we can build ...yes healing comes first- let see how we can build back the homes for all these misplaced people and if they don't want to go back then let the government look fr land to allocate to them !!they all deserve our love and support regardless of tribe!!remember we are Kenyans -though I find one tribe still rejecting this- yet all Kenyans are pouring their hearts out to support everyone!!shame shame!!<BR/><BR/>Ukambani has refused to take any displaced Kamba people- Central is saying the same?? I would have thought this people would change their attitude towards the Rift Valley people so as to encourage the co-habitation of their tribesmen but Alas!!they are still being abusive if one cares to read most of the blogs online- " they don't get it!!do they!!!???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-80589525246849156042008-02-29T10:15:00.000-08:002008-02-29T10:15:00.000-08:00anon@9:52am, Let them console themselves, remember...anon@9:52am, Let them console themselves, remember Kibaki took over and they wanted to prosecute Moi for all the atrocities committed whilst in office, there should be no amnesty for this idiot Kibaki when the time is right, but first things first, let's heal the nation and we will revisit that notion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-77928331913796907502008-02-29T09:25:00.000-08:002008-02-29T09:25:00.000-08:00KIBAKI IS NOT A STATESMAN HE RIGGED THE ELECTIONS ...KIBAKI IS NOT A STATESMAN HE RIGGED THE ELECTIONS AND BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS-SWEARING HIMSELF IN -IN DARKNESS- MANY KENYANS LOST THEIR LIVES AND THAT IS HOW KENYANS WILL Remember him.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Anonymous Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> Kibaki has proven himself to be a Statesman. He has overseenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-91692950428093783602008-02-29T09:09:00.000-08:002008-02-29T09:09:00.000-08:00Kibaki has proven himself to be a Statesman. He ha...Kibaki has proven himself to be a Statesman. He has overseen the growth of Kenya over the last 5 years. He has allowed the freedom of expression, freedom of association that allowed Raila and ODM to build a solid support base 3 years before the elections. He refused to sign into law legistlation by members of parliament that would have forced journalists to disclose their sources. Ministries have been strengthened and empowered. Civil service works now on performance contracts and not political patronage.<BR/><BR/>That there were major problems with his administration is no question. That he is human, imperfect and lacking is no question. But he is the best thing that happened to Kenya. As a transition from iron fist rule of Moi, he opened the floor so anyone with a voice can be heard.<BR/><BR/>We all know that Kibaki didn't instruct ECK to recognize him as the winner. He doesn't have the balls for that. His people did. And you couldn't very well expect him to ask ECK for evidence before being sworn in. And once sworn in, the ball was already rolling in the wrong direction. If he was ill intentioned, he would have detained Raila and ODM people, forced down the initial uproar through military and thus controlled any further well organized demonstrations. - Moi has done it before hasn't he?<BR/><BR/>But he didn't do any of those things. Kenyans paid with their lives and property and that is another of his failures. His negotiating team has other interests, and I believe Annan recognized that and that is why he brought the two leaders together. I believe that Raila too, is a statesman, and when you remove the people he is captive to, then he is willing to make a deal, not just for himself but for Kenya.<BR/><BR/>Kibaki didn't have to make that deal. He has the instruments of state, whatever pressure he was getting from outside could have destroyed Kenya a la Zimbabwe or Iraq. But he chose to do the deal. Knowing very well the wrath he is going to get from his supporters.<BR/><BR/>Bottom line, we are grateful to Koffi Annan, the international community and everyone who has pushed, shoved and helped the talks stay on track. We are grateful for ODM for standing their ground and representing the people that elected them. <BR/><BR/>But we must also be grateful to Kibaki for going against his immediate supporters wishing, his friends for tens of years, people who campaigned for his re-election, and making a decision in favor of Wanjiku who sells maize by the kimbo tin load along river road, or Achieng who sells omena by the kimbo tin load in Kibera, or Mweni who sells chacoal by the tin load in Machakos.........<BR/><BR/>We must emulate what Raila and Kibaki have done. As opinionated as we are, it is time for each one of us to be bigger than ourselves. Put our intellectual resources not on discussing politics, but discussing how to reach out and build the bridges we've burnt, or that have been burnt. <BR/><BR/>As Raila said, the document and signatures don't mean much. It is the goodwill of those signing it and agreeing it that matters. Let us all demonstrate that Goodwill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-55990281856471398692008-02-29T09:03:00.000-08:002008-02-29T09:03:00.000-08:00Well put anon 7:36. I must say that I was really e...Well put anon 7:36. I must say that I was really entertained reading your response. Give me your address, and I will babysit for free so that you can have more time to write such entertaining articles for this blog.My baby is crying too I must go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-13557303745955473932008-02-29T08:42:00.000-08:002008-02-29T08:42:00.000-08:00quick review --1.) long before the elections, u.s....quick review --<BR/>1.) long before the elections, u.s. officials promise kibaki their support if he helps topple the islamic courts in somalia & play an active role in the GWOT<BR/>2.) USAID/IRI/NDI/IFES all support/fund/train/assist the ECK<BR/>3.) right before ECK made the announcement, as the washington post reported<BR/><BR/>[quote]<BR/><I>U.S. Ambassador Michael E. Ranneberger said that although there were "problems with the process," the United States would accept Kivuitu's announcement.<BR/><BR/>"Look at the U.S.," he said, just before Kivuitu announced the results. "The results are often disputed, and if there's a dispute, there are the courts. I'm optimistic that what happens today will not alter the course of Kenya.</I><BR/>[/quote]<BR/><BR/>4.) after the auto-coup, the state dept, alone in the world, immediately offers support to kibaki <BR/><BR/>[quote]<BR/><I>”We obviously congratulate the president on his election," department spokesman Rob McInturff told AFP.<BR/><BR/>"Again we would call on the people of Kenya to accept the results of the election and to move forward with the democratic process," he said. </I><BR/>[/quote]<BR/><BR/>5.) while practically everyone else, domestic and international, calls for either a recount or rerun, the u.s. maintains the hardline that neither is possible and that the opposition must take their complaints to court. knowing that this is a ridiculous position, they soon change to that of power-sharing<BR/><BR/>for example, january 8 <I>standard</I> article reports<BR/><BR/>[quote]<BR/><I>Asked about the options during negotiations and whether a presidential run off was expected, [Jendayi] Frazer responded that it was up to the two leaders to hammer out a compromise.<BR/><BR/>However, she noted that the law stipulated that once the ECK had announced results, any party contesting the outcome should seek remedy in the courts.<BR/></I><BR/>[/quote]<BR/><BR/>the next day, the paper <A HREF="http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=1143980130" REL="nofollow">reported</A> another stmt from frazer<BR/><BR/>[quote]<BR/><I>US Assistant Secretary of State in charge of Africa, Ms Jendayi Frazer, said she believes a re-run of the elections was not the way forward.<BR/>...<BR/>"I don’t support calls for a re-run of the elections as the way forward. It is not my responsibility to decide for Kenyans on the matter. It is up to political leaders," she said.<BR/>...<BR/>She said the way forward was for the politicians to accommodate each other in a power-sharing strategy.<BR/><BR/>She said the proposed power-sharing plan should also be constitutionalised.</I><BR/>[/quote]<BR/><BR/>and that was the program since, using proxies to make this happen. thus you had annan, kikwete, etc. decades ago, kitson made the point that covert actions were always more effective if you could get the target to believe the choices were their own.<BR/><BR/>meanwhile, so much for fair & free elections, the rule of law, citizen input, executive accountability and other superfluous principles of democracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-1967189394694477402008-02-29T08:28:00.000-08:002008-02-29T08:28:00.000-08:00Go on preacher of doom. I have said it here before...Go on preacher of doom. I have said it here before, Chris and some other bloggers are saddists. Can't you allow people to enjoy this moment before you starting with your so called facts we cannot get from the other media. Why don't you say all this out in the open. Maybe have Raila call a press conference for you and tell of all the truth we are never told, which you seem to be aware of always.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-2676227424379183452008-02-29T07:45:00.000-08:002008-02-29T07:45:00.000-08:00I agree with Chris. A significant variable was in...I agree with Chris. A significant variable was introduced into the equation to cause this seismic shift in Kibaki's position. I too believe that Kikwete's appearance didn't just happen because he cleared all the items on his to-do-list back in TZ and was looking for some excitement in Nairobi.<BR/><BR/>I suggest ALL ODM MPs be sequestered until a few hours before Thursday's opening, lest some new "love triangles conveniently explode". Seriously! Not putting anything past these folks. From their body language at the signing, they are deeply wounded and embarrassed.<BR/><BR/>It's a new day in Kenya and politics will never be the same. I agree with the anon above that it will become issue-based, not personality or tribe based. But, I see us getting there once we ALL have EQUAL access to opportunity and the country's resources. Then, no one will care what part of Kenya the contenders come from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36678079226942625622008-02-29T07:44:00.000-08:002008-02-29T07:44:00.000-08:00Chris, as much as people on here are readily dismi...Chris, as much as people on here are readily dismissing Kikwete's mysterious role, I have to wonder how he was able to show up and in a day help broker a deal. I also have to express my disappointment that Mkapa and Lady Machel are receiving zero credit for the success of these talks. Were they not part of Annan's mediation team? None of the stories I've read have mentioned these two, not even in acknowledgement that they were present. <BR/><BR/>Now, what I wanna know is how exactly ODM and PNU plan to share out cabinet posts. I have a feeling there will be plenty of squabbling going on, especially for the ministry of finance. I think we're in for a lot of theatrics and squabbles because even for any policy to be implemented, it will take hard work. ODM and PNU are very different in principle and ideology. For them to come to a compromise on anything...<BR/><BR/>Also, the deal expires in two years. Then what?<BR/><BR/>-KemmyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-57098329927315483092008-02-29T07:36:00.000-08:002008-02-29T07:36:00.000-08:00Yes I trully believe that there was a military act...Yes I trully believe that there was a military action looming if Kibaki did not play ball. The activities preceeding the signing tell it all. Picture this: On a Sunday b4 a deal is to be signed, the PNU team convene a press conference to trash he "alleged" deal. The very next day the same PNU team come to the mediation with a totally differrent list of demands from what was agree upon just a few days ago. The devil Karua takes it a notch further by throwing a tantrum and calling Dr. Annan unprintable names. Let with no choice Annan suspends the talks. A few hours later when Annan meets Kibaki, he gets the same hardline stance from Kibaki ati " no constitutional vaccum /everything must be done within the current constitution crap". President Kikwete arrives almost unannounced. Contrary to protocol (like being met at the airport by his host, traditional dancers and the like). Hold the Kikwete thaught for a moment and lets backtrack a little. Remember that Rwandese Presient Paul Kagame boldly and openly suggested military action in the Kenyan situation, a position that he has not retracted. Having said that, he instantly became an 'enemy' to the PNU brigade and they would not deal with him whatsoever. After Bush's Africa visit, the military action for Kenya is finalized an the AU/UN forces will operate from Rwanda. Word get to the PNU brigade and they panic although they thought it was all a bluff. What is their reaction? The distpatch Chief Traitor Kaloozer Musyoka to meet none other than their earstwhile nemesis Paul Kagame who does not mince his words. This man witnessed the worst genocide in the world and would not stomach anything close to that happening anywhere near him, let alone the fact that Rwanda is a land locked country which heavily depends on Kenya for their regular supplies. OK lets go back to Kikwete. He arrives almost unannounced and as usual Kibaki plays his games, but the situation is now serious. He meets his top military people an they tell him to his face that it is one thing to shoot people in Kibera and Mathare and also supervise Mingiki revenge attacks. But it is a different ball game even imagining going against the blue berets of the United Nations, and bearing in mind that kenya has been one of the most active participants in UN peace keeping missions. Kibaki was connered and he could not move. So withing hours of Karua throwing tantrums and Kibaki backing her, they go and sign an agreement almost exactly as it was put to them five weeks ago. In my opinion the signing of this deal is the first step of Kibaki's 'safe' exit and PNU is now almost destitute. How Kibaki wishes he knew this would happen, he would be quietely and peacefully enjoying retirement as one of Africa's respected former presidents. All that is out the window. Those of us who know how to read in between the lines and study body language knows that kibaki had a gun to his head while doing this. When Raila was making his speech just look behind him and see the long face of Wetangula, he who said that "no one can put a gun to our head and say either or" crap. Another tell-tale sign prior to all this: Remember the chief war criminal AKA John Njoroge Michuki? He of the " we did not invite any mediators" fame. As soon as word reached them of the impending military action and knowing that his shoot to kill orders will now turn against him, he decide to breath some fresh air by washing his hands out of the crisis. What does he do? All of a sudden he realizes that he is the roads minister and he is all over the new threatening contractors and issuing all kinds of directives about road. He wants to be seen as the only working minister when everyone knows that the governments is virtually at a standstill. While I had a sigh of relief like all kenyans, this whole scenario makes me laugh so hard. People have really been exposed as fools that they really are. On a more serious note, let me exprerss my sincere condolence to the families who lost their love ones. The loss was totally uncalled for. I could go on and on but my baby just woke up and is crying so gotta goAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-38791850636224166092008-02-29T07:35:00.000-08:002008-02-29T07:35:00.000-08:00The pain Matha Karua is feeling is unbearable,whic...The pain Matha Karua is feeling is unbearable,which is good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-14089451914860772562008-02-29T07:09:00.000-08:002008-02-29T07:09:00.000-08:00MrembowaODM @4.12Raila had a change of heart and n...MrembowaODM @4.12<BR/>Raila had a change of heart and now recognizes Kibaki as President of Kenya. What makes you think that Kibaki cannot in the same vein change his mind? My biggest problem is to know who between Kikwete and Annan pressed the right button that switched on the light in Kibaki's heart? Even me I have changed my mind on several things since Dec 30th. Even YOU have changed your mind, haven't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-21400495311557815222008-02-29T06:53:00.000-08:002008-02-29T06:53:00.000-08:00KARUA IS THE TYPE OF WOMAN WHO EMBARRASES THE REST...KARUA IS THE TYPE OF WOMAN WHO EMBARRASES THE REST OF US.<BR/><BR/>Women are struggling to gain respect in different arenas and one prominent woman goes on to behave like a juvenile delinquent during such an important process!!!<BR/><BR/>She can keep sulking. As one Ivy above has said - KENYA IS BIGGER THAN KARUA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-38316074960688605742008-02-29T06:47:00.000-08:002008-02-29T06:47:00.000-08:00The bottom line is that there was some pressure on...The bottom line is that there was some pressure on Kibaki of some sort.<BR/><BR/>Given his remarks early this week, he did not cede ground willingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-65185847874018597462008-02-29T06:46:00.000-08:002008-02-29T06:46:00.000-08:00The truth will emerge in future. May be in 5 years...The truth will emerge in future. May be in 5 years once all the constitutional ammendments are in place and a new govt. is in office.<BR/><BR/>Then, Nation or Standard will feel brave enough to do an expose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-83559356493497867222008-02-29T06:44:00.000-08:002008-02-29T06:44:00.000-08:00Kumekucha; I for one understand why there is moder...Kumekucha; I for one understand why there is moderation. Some characters had turned this blog into a rubbish heap and brothel.<BR/><BR/>So yes; we earned the moderation penalty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-31795542755656482222008-02-29T06:33:00.000-08:002008-02-29T06:33:00.000-08:00The message from kikwete must have been pretty sca...The message from kikwete must have been pretty scary for kibaki. Rumour is he was to hauled to the Hague if he didnt agree to the deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-72230950388516897442008-02-29T06:20:00.000-08:002008-02-29T06:20:00.000-08:00Phil@3.04I don't think I have any fears that parli...Phil@3.04<BR/><BR/>I don't think I have any fears that parliament will refuse to pass the PM bill. this is because 1. The force behind Kibaki's change of heart will see to it that the thing will be passed as per the Annan agreement that was signed in broad daylight an in the presence of many witnesses. 2. America and UK have hailed the agreement but they have added that they want to see the implementation carried out with equal commitment (i.e Big Brother is watching).3. Karua and Kilonzo are so embarassed that they will not want to be in another humiliating situation. 4. The politicians from both sides are also tired of huggling and bringing up time-wasting arguements. 5. Kenyans are watching and they know that 2012 is not far. anybody who will run against the grain will be shown the door (this is the last thing the MPs want to hear)<BR/>Incidentally, do you realize that the politics in Kenya will never be the same? It will be more issue-based than personality-based. Just to make you see what I mean, supposing Raila leaves the political scene, will the Luos really look for another Jaramogi to lead them? I highly doubt. They will just want to have a say in their local leadership management. Probably that is why Raila is fighting for majimbo-ameona mbele. If this is the direction politics will take in Kenya, all the better as this will also reduce tribalism and other ethnic prejudices.<BR/><BR/>Pssssss. I don't envy Raila. Whichever lineup he comes up with for the few cabinet posts he will get, there will be discontent in the camp. Ask Musyoka.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-36182139169796023752008-02-29T06:09:00.000-08:002008-02-29T06:09:00.000-08:00Chris,You don't have to read too much into what re...Chris,<BR/><BR/>You don't have to read too much into what really happened behind the scenes. It may have been pressure from Bush, Brown, Sarkozy, Angela, Putin, etc. It may have been an excercise of magnanimity on the part of Kibaki. Again, it may have been that when the two guys sat to talk, Raila actually uttered the magic words...."Mr President...". We will never really know, but as you have done, we can only speculate.<BR/><BR/>What is important is that to the guys mashinani this was a big achievement for Kenya, that things can begin to return to normalcy. These guys are not interested in analysis of behind the scenes events. What happened, happened.<BR/><BR/>From the speeches made by Kibaki and Raila, it is possible that the deal may not go down well with some of their supporters. For example, there may be a feeling among some PNU supporters that Kibaki gave too much, too soon...and there could be a feeling among some ODM supporters that Raila may have accepted too little, too soon. I think these are the elements that hold the key as to whether the deal succeeds or not. The deal is not done until Kibaki and Raila achieve a satisfactory level of buy-in from their supporters by aggressively selling the idea. If this does not happen then we are back to square zero.<BR/><BR/>Just as an indication, parliament needs 133 or 65% votes to pass a constitutional amendment. PNU and ODM are evenly distributed in parliament. (Somebody has indicated succession battles are likely also to be a factor). Recent mayoral voting in Nairobi and Nakuru (ODM strongholds) tied 50-50. This could be replicated in parliament....unless Kibaki and Raila convince their supporters.<BR/><BR/>JEFFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12839785.post-77792773601587502102008-02-29T05:58:00.000-08:002008-02-29T05:58:00.000-08:00Phil I saw the succession battle happening right a...Phil I saw the succession battle happening right after Kibaki ran to Kalonzo for help. I dont think any of his Mt Kenya mafia will let this fool inherit the presidency. He should be having a plan with Kianga to throw a wrench into PANUA survival or retire and go to Tsiekuru.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com