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Wednesday, February 20, 2008

Wangari Maaathai Receives Mungiki Death Threats

As Maina Kiai Goes Underground

Nobel Peace laureate Wangari Maathai has today revealed that she has received death threats for reasons she thinks are linked to her condemnation of the results of the December 2007 general elections and strong support for the Annan peace mission.

Maathai, a world renowned environmentalist and a veteran of the Kenya civil society movement, said she reported the matter to police after getting three text messages on her telephone on Tuesday (yesterday).

One of the texts read: "Because of your opposing the government at all times ... we have decided to look for your head very soon," said one of the messages she read to reporters. She appealed to the government to restore bodyguards whom she says it recently recalled.

Wangari Maathai was interviewed on Citizen FM Radio this morning and was widely critical of the PNU regime. She attributed current problems in Kenya to the failed NARC (MOU) dream and the failure to pass the Bomas Draft Constitution.

Meanwhile, KNHC Chairman Maina Kiai has gone underground after highly successful trip to United Kingdom and USA where he and former nominated MP Njoki Ndungu made presentations to the United States Congressional Hearing on the Kenyan Crisis held in Washington D.C on Feb 6, 2008. Kiai and Ndungu are deemed to have upstaged the VP Kalonzo Musyoka who undertook a similar itinerary and also embarrassed the PNU government. Because of their ethnic origin, supporters aligned to PNU are considering the two as enemies.

The latest African Intelligence Newsletter reports in an article titled "Maina Kiai under the eye of the NSIS" that The National Security Intelligence Service is taking a close interest in the international trip of the head of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR).

According to information obtained in Nairobi from various sources, the National Security Intelligence Service (NSIS) has begun to investigate the activity of Maina Kiai, the head of the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights (KNCHR), during his travels to the United Kingdom and the United States. The NSIS is trying to list all the people he has met and find out whether he wants to request political asylum. The NSIS began to take an interest following the meeting last week between Maina Kiai and Mark Malloch-Brown, the British Minister of State with responsibility for Africa. During this meeting, Maina handed Malloch-Brown a report on the recent events in Kenya. Their discussion is also believed to have concerned identifying the Kenyan personalities who incited to violence or participated in election fraud.

The NSIS consequently wants to know who prepared the meeting between Kiai and Lord Malloch-Brown. It also wants to know whether Kiai is likely to become a new John Githongo, the former Kenyan anti-corruption czar who became highly unpopular among the supporters of President Mwai Kibaki when he denounced corruption within the Kenyan government team from his exile in the United Kingdom. Some members of the Kenyan government were also perturbed by the fact that Malloch-Brown’s meeting with Kiai took place just before his meeting with Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka. Among the Kenyan executive circles, Kiai is seen as having sold out and a traitor to his Kikuyu community, the same as Kibaki’s.

Matters got worse after Kiai’s speech to the Sub Committee on Africa & Global Health of the United States House of Representatives on February 6th, and his subsequent call this week in which he asked the US to suspend military aid to Kenya. This added even more to the impression held among Kibaki’s partisans that Kiai in fact supports the ODM (opposition). The NSIS then began to investigate his international contacts in order to evaluate the real impact of his stance in the US and the UK.(end)

If the aforegoing is anything to go by it means Mungiki have powerful members within the PNU and that the recent arrest of 37 adherents administering oath was no fluke.

It will be recalled that in early January, members of the civil society made reports to the Kilimani Police Crimes office alleging that they had received reliable information that the personal safety and security of its members, including Maina Kiai, was at serious risk and that a special unit had been officially formed to consider “methods of neutralisation” of the these civil right activists.

More recently an anonymous pamphlet has found its way in parts of Central Province and Nairobi where, it was instructively noted that the death threats have been issued against civil rights activists who are considered “traitors” to their ethnicity (Kikuyu), because they have spoken out about what they believe to have been irregularities in the election result, or about human rights abuses committed by the police and armed gangs, including gangs of Kikuyu people, throughout the country. The pamphlet includes Maina Kiai as part of a list of more 25 people of Kikuyu origin, who it calls “traitors (who) live among us in peace”, and included a veiled threat that they should be killed.

50 comments:

Sam Okello said...

Ladies and Gentlemen,
What we have here is yet another lame but spirited attempt by PNU to derail the wheels of democracy in Kenya. Circa 2002, Kenyan democracy has slowly been coming of age. To adumbrate that ODM is behind the current stalemate is to expose lack of political acumen and insight.

It is thus that Derek, here at Kumekucha, wants to show that it is business as usual and should as a matter of fact be business as usual. That premise, Ladies and Gentlemen, is not only not feasible but is actually an insult to the collective kenyan imagination and intelligence.

It is yet to be seen where Hon. Raila and Mr.Kibaki want to take this country. Again, Mr.Kibaki has proven to be inept and is beholden to the interests of Mt.Kenya only, on the other hand, The Hon. Raila is showing his true colors, those of a statesman, with the interest of the whole country, even central, at heart.

--Sam Okello (Again, I am the real Sam Okello, and I am posting this before I go to work. Anyone else posting as me here will be an impersonator and should be treated as such!)

NB: For those asking whether I went back to Kenya to be the nominated mayor of Kisumu, that is just a mere coincedence that the mayor of Kisumu is going to be one Sam Okello. Still have not made my forays in that arena...not yet!.

Wanjiku - Mombasa said...

The Workers Unions should call for downing of tools countrywide not in support of ODM or PNU but to pressure for peace in Kenya. Even those who are not members of any unions will have to down theirs otherwise who will they work with? Again not in support of any party but to push for speedy resolution of this crisis. That will work faster than any international pressure.

Atwoli are you listening?

deroo said...

Crying WOLF at the very best.

Which AIRHEAD in the shade of Mungiki can have Wangari Mathai's telephone number to send a text message to her. She is just bbitter that she lost the election and had her security withdrawn. The best way is to report to police and the originators of the message will be tracked down and dealt with.

Anyway, I wonder why there is sympathy for her. First she is "...ADUI YETU..." and secondly, it was said that her Nobel Prize was a lesser one. Why interest in her now? On the other hand, Maina Kiai, Mungatana's schoolmate is "...ADUI YETU..." just like John Githongo, John Kiarie and Margaret Wanjiru.

If as it is said people are divided along tribal lines, why are these seen as good in the eyes of other people while there is a collective balkanisation of the ADUI.

Sam, Ondiek, it is business as usual! Na bado

-Derek-

deroo said...

Wanjiku, stop incitement. Those workers have two weeks of their years shed off for striking and engaging police in running battles.

Let those guys go to work, earn a decent living and me and you, engage in chatter here at Kumekucha, while the lawmaker do what they are paid to do.

If the Workers Unions down their tolls, the result will hit you and me and another person. Which industrialist will afford to lose out after the two weeks of hell that the election results brought about?

Let them work and like civilised populations, the politicians do their thing, the churches do their thing and the Kenyan fabric that is woven from many different yarns, remain as it is or we drive towards what it was before the ELECTION FROM HELL last year.

-Derek-

kibaki-toka said...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7254833.stm

Anonymous said...

UN and AU forces/military option:


At the rate things are moving in Kenya, it is also, as Condi said, NOT AN ILLUSION that this is the only way to get immediate REAL PEACE for REAL POWER SHARING to happen.

Anonymous said...

Bush warns leaders on genocide

By SIMON KASYATE, KIGALI
Last updated: Tue, Feb 19, 2008 22:36 PM (EAT)-DN

US president George Bush has asked world leaders to pay attention to early genocide warning signs to avoid a Rwanda-like situation happening elsewhere in the world including Kenya.

While commending Rwanda for a quick recovery from a devastating past, President Bush pledged American support for efforts geared at pacifying other troubled spots especially in Africa.

“One of the lessons I take from the Rwanda genocide is to take some early warning signs seriously,” he said at a press conference in Kigali Tuesday.

International community

“Pay attention to the warning signs and prevent crises like this from happening. We are obviously trying to prevent such a crisis from happening in Kenya. Condoleezza Rice briefed the President (Kibaki) in her meeting Monday and we strongly support Kofi Annan’s efforts.”

Dr Rice, the US secretary of State, was in Nairobi on Monday to push for power- sharing between President Kibaki and ODM’s Raila Odinga.

“I am not suggesting that anything close (to what happened in Rwanda) is happening in Kenya or is gonna happen, but I am suggesting that there are some warning signs that the international community needs to pay attention to. And we are paying attention to it and I know the AU will as well.”

More than 800,000 people were killed in 1994 Rwanda genocide when Hutus militiamen, encouraged by the then government, attacked minority Tutsis.

It was stopped after 100 days by the invading army of President Paul Kagame.

Mr Kagame has suggested that the Kenyan military takes over power to avoid a similar situation.

President Bush also said, any interventions from the United Nations in conflicts must be with a bigger mandate rather than just peace keeping.

“In a situation such as that you don’t want to send people in who are observers, you need to send people in who will help deal with the situation,” he said.

He praise Rwandan government for taking the lead to send peace-keeping troops to Darfur .

President Bush and his wife Laura, Dr Rice and under secretary of state for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer were visibly awe struck during a short visit to the Kigali Genocide Memorial.

Anonymous said...

read this discussion:
http://www.kenyanzone.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=163

and you will know how PNU extremists are reacting to fellow Kikuyus who they consider traitors...

Anonymous said...

WANJIKU IS RIGHT! KENYANS SHOULD DOWN THEIR TOOLS AND STAY HOME- TO PUT PRESSURE TO THIS TWO PARTY LEADERS- THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE ON STAND STILL- WHY PRETENDED THAT KENYANS ARE OK!! WE ARE NOT!!

KENYANS IT IS TIME TO PUT DOWN YOUR TOOLS OF WORK!!NO GOING OFFICE- lET KIBAKI AND RAILA GIVE US OUR DEMOCRATIC KENYA BACK WITH A NEW CONSTITUTION WHICH INCLUDES POWER- SHARING ON EQUAL FOOTING FOR BOTH!!




deroo said...

Wanjiku, stop incitement. Those workers have two weeks of their years shed off for striking and engaging police in running battles.

Taabu said...

Interesting times we are living in. So you must be armed with some rocket science to have access to Maathai's phone number. Reverse logic can take very interesting dimensions. You give reality a wide berth and only you ogle your own lime light. The resulting ecstacy is only boxed in your head.

You prop up militia like Mungiki to help you hand on to power and in no time they mutate and the monster craves for the blood of her siblings and kids. Dishonesty makes Kibaki's apologists refuse the truth. Why would Maathai seek cheap publicity about her life? And while at it 2 wrongs only make a right to skewed mind. So Maathai and Kiai should be left at the mercy of Mungiki because they deserve it.

Well, a stack record has never emitted any soothing lyrics no matter the location or time. But trust shamelessness to blind every facet of our rationale. While on a cheap mission, you only see and mouth what makes your lips vibrate.

Gatekeep if you must but make sure you promptly get your dues. And please keep your dues to yourself. No need to boast either about rewards from such forays.

ADU YETU is one tied line that even Othaya councillors wwill not mouth. But trust enterprising Kenyans to polish vices and package them into virtues. Seeing schooled chaps politically swearing leaves you wondering what happened to all those years.

Sample this: reverse logic makes you recycle tasteless old lines to advance you propaganda. Only selective epithets count here. And by the way they must be shouted with bravado. How else would you look objective without cheap nationalism. Next might exists in deception when you shamelessly craft a vote stealing script ahead of elections and you have no apologies to hail the results. Well pigs must have grown coloured wings overnight, didn't they?

No constitution permits THEFT (don't ask by who and for what). Same Kenyan constitution made multipartism illegal until 1992 when 2A was repealed. So let us not DELUDE ourselves that this sacred law can be overhauled. The satisfaction derived from chestthumbing must be truly infectious and impervious to reality. And the circus goes on.

Kenyan Revelations said...

It is sad time in Kenya but we must accept certain evetualities. Time for a coup of whatever kind is now. Who will be Kenya's hero. Can somebody act on a very important target to stop the country from the slide?

Anonymous said...

More PNU Insider information concerning this Mungiki Menace
http://dinahicious.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html

Anonymous said...

I think the time for war has come. Kibaki has severaly been asked to resign and he has refused. ODM has offered him a coalition government as a safe exist and he has refused. We all know that Annan is about to be kicked out of the country.

This man has stolen the presidency and has squandered our goodwill. He has killed our people and our leaders. This is a call to all Kenyans who love democracy to come out in large numbers and fight for the right cause. Wakati wa vita imefika. We shall not tolerate any more nonsence from witches like Karua. Thieves will only stop stealing when stopped by mob justice. Let us see what Mungiki can really do. Can they kill us all?

Kenyans must fight until Kibaki is out of power and out of the country.

deroo said...

Sawa Mwalimu Taabu, read between the lines. Man of WORDS!!!

When 23,572 became 75,273 remeber the day, a chopper was sent to collect figures in Meru and Kajiado was peaceful after a rumpus.

-Derek-

Anonymous said...

Charles.Nairobi.
The threats to Wangari and Kiai come as no suprise to Kenyans.
Kibaki and his bloodthirsty gangs are AT IT AS USUAL.OUT TO WRECK THIS COUNTRY FOR GOOD!
THEY think they will manipulate us AGAIN...call it THE THEATRE OF THE ABSURD-where MISCHIEF REIGNS!
As long as this GOON controls the KENYA ARMY we are in for a VERY ROUGH TIME!Whether MUNGIKI is unleashed it matters little to this GLUTTON.
We must look at the reality here...we have a very unpopular 'president' the man is ashaming Kenyans in every way possible.
Again like Dec 29th Kenyans are at breaking point and we are not waiting for Kivuitu.Everyone is waiting for the outcome of the talks and ODM'S statement....obviously PNU followers are too tribal to notice the REALITY ON THE GROUND!
What is the final outcome!!!-it looks Bleak-KIBAKI DRIVEN BY BLIND GREED AND INTOXICATED BY POWER HAS SCUTTLED THE TALKS!
Kenya can sink into the ABYSS for all he cares.....WHERE IS THE CHIEF OF GEN STAFF...some people in this country HAVE FAILED US citizens
ANNAN HAS REALIZED BY NOW WHAT KIND OF SCOUNDRELS HE IS DEALING WITH...WE MUST WAIT FOR THE OUTCOME.
As written THE meek shall inherit the corridors of power-trust me on that one!

Anonymous said...

I second you on that one!

!!!!THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE CORRIDORS OF POWER"""""
THAT IS EXACTLY ALL KENYANS EXCLUDING KIBAKI AND HIS CRONIES-

even included are the foolish PNU blind ones!!



Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charles.Nairobi.
The threats to Wangari and Kiai come as no suprise to Kenyans.
Kibaki and his bloodthirsty gangs are AT IT AS USUAL.OUT TO WRECK THIS COUNTRY FOR GOOD!

Anonymous said...

It looks like Kenya as a nation has taken a mighty leap backwards to the 70/80's when death threats and assasinations were the order of the day. It is not a coincidence that then as now Kibaki was part of the insider group seeking to hold onto power. Don't blame Mungiki, they are just the messengers. I would urge Maina and Wangari Maathai to take the threats seriuously. They should consider relocating to other countries.

I watched Maina Kiai and Njoki Ndungu make presentation to the senate committee. I disagree with the observation that Njoki Ndungu's presentaion was anti PNU. My assessment is that her presentation was heavily pro PNU. Her presentation was a sham and very partisan. Kudo's to Maina Kiai. His presentation was balanced. He did the country proud.

One would think that with all the problems Kenya is facing, NSIS should not waste taxes pursuing side shows. If, as PNU alleges, the chaos was pre-planned, then Kenyans must ask what is the role of NSIS in the country. NSIS failed and continues to do so. NSIS, KACA,the Judiciary and the Police need a radical surgery and NOT the kind of circus surgery carried out by Kiraitu. That was criminal and was only meant to rid the system of Kibaki's perceived enemies and independent thinkers.

Anonymous said...

If I were the gvt, I would also want to know what Maina Kiai was up to. This guy ha sbeen completely compromised by ODM.

He's employed by the gvt, but he only speaks out when it doesn't favor the gvt, e.g the police killing the protestor in kisumu.

when women and children were burnt to death in a church, the guy is hush, he conveniently overlooks it, he doesn't say anything about those genocidal acts in rift valley being pre-planned despite the international human rights watch saying so, and having evidence to back them up.

He writes an article in yesterday's business daily saying the incidents in rift valley were not genocide or ethnic cleansing but merely "violence" I mean what a bunch of hogwash and B.S.
This guy has totally lost credibility and you'd only side with him if u supported ODM Blindly.
let's call a spade a spade, this dude was compromised.
Let's be honest. Just like Michuki is not popular with alot of people but everyone is happy that he's now the roads minister, hata ukiwa jamaa wa ODM, You'll know that roads now will be built.

Anonymous said...

PNU BEING VERY DESPERATE!! ARRESTING THE 80 YEAR OLD KIBOR! IS THE WAY TO START RIOTS IN ELDORET! SO THAT THEY CAN START KILLING KALEJINS!!AND STOP THE TALKS WITH ANNAN!!

iT WON'T WORK!! THEY HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY ODM NOT TO GO AND THE STREETS- JUST LIKE THE ASSASINATION OF MP TOO!! ODM ARE NOT FOLISH- KIBAKI MUST AGREE ON THE COALITION GOVERNMENT OR ELSE VACANT THE SEAT!!

KENYANS WILL NOT WAIT FOR ANOTHER WEEK- THE PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED TO REMOVE HIM BY FORCE!! read the other blogs now- the mood of Kenyans is changing!! even the papers and letters to BBC- CNN-THE GUARDIAN, AJASEER, CBC! KENYANS ARE DECIDING TO REMOVE kIBAKI BY FORCE!! if he doesn't not agree on a COALITION GOVERNMENT- PEOPLE ARE NOT JOKING THIS TIME.


emerging that Mr Jackson Kibor, a prominet farmer and transporter in Uasin Gishu and the ODM's lead campaigner in Eldoret North was picked by the police. The asthmatic Kibor, 80, was arrested to cow Mr Ruto to soften at the Annan table. This is unacceptable.

Disturbing information indicate that the 2004 Nobel peace prize winner and environmental activist. Wangari Maathai, had her security withdrawn and threats to her life were made. In one of the messages she showed reporters, "Because of your opposing the government at all times ... we have decided to look for your head very soon,". This comes after a number of independent minded Kikuyus including Maina Kiai and a number of journalists were marked and warned of retributive punishment by mungiki goons. This bandit regime is using militia to terrorise the citizens.

It is time to secede and partition Kenya into what it should be. Let the bandits kill themselves and still from themselves. The civilized world must refuse to have any fellowship with the jigger-infested and demented bandits. Time to overthrow Kibaki is now. How to achieve that is not in question, the end justifies the

Anonymous said...

I HAVE ORDERED MY WORKERS NOT TO COME TO WORK UNTIL NEXT WEEK - BUT I WILL STILL PAY THEM FOR THOSE DAYS!!

PEOPLE HAVE STARTED THE BOYCOTT- MY SISTER AND FRIEND WILL NOT BE GOING TO WORK TOO TOMORROW- WE ARE ALL GOING TO KEEP VIGIL AND PRAY IN OUR HOMES!!

Anonymous said...

! work for an insurance firm- thanks for pointing the boycott to me!! I will not go to work from tomorrow and i will ask my house help not to come to work too! I will home School my children this week!! I will pass the message to my other relatives and friends to do the same (by the way I'm a KIKUYU from Central who voted ODM)
After I read on here the threat to Martha Karua and Maina Kiai- I stand firmly to denounce the KIbaki government and its cronies MUNgiki Mafia!!I never want to be part of such thuggery

Please pass the boycott to as many friends and Relatives you can reACH!! wE WON'T GO ON THE STREETS- BUT WE WILL STAY IN OUR HOMES!! HOW WILL THEY FORCE US FROM OUR HOMES TO GO TO WORK???

Anonymous said...

Hey Kenyans

This is the best boycott!! stay home protest!! they can't force us from our homes to go to work!!

Let us see how the KIKUYU's that claim they don't need the rest of Kenyans - do all the other jobs that Kenyans have been doing

Government public sector
private sector
city council
teachers
i GUESS ANYONE WHO HAS A jobs AND CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF KENYA SHOULD NOT GO TO WORK STARTING FROM TOMORROW.............

Anonymous said...

GOOD IDEA THE BOYCOTT- let me send emails to my buddies!!

Anonymous said...

AhA!!!! Now I can See Kenyans are getting serious- the other blogs are sounding the same- some just want kibaki and his cronies removed and Kenyans should move on..

anyway no work for me kesho!

Anonymous said...

I HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS SUCH FOOLISH OR SHOULD I SAY DAMP-PNU'S LIKE YOURSELF- GO READ YOUR NEWSPAPERS BACKWARD UNTIL THE DEC-27 WHEN YOU STOLE ELECTIONS- YOU WILL FIND MIANA KIAI'S COMMENTS ON ELDORET CHURCH!! I GUESS ONLY TROUBLE MAKERS SPINNING HATE LIKE YOU SHOULD BE SLAUGHTERED BY THE MUNGIKI i HOPE THEY FIND YOU OR IF YOU ARE ABROAD LET THEM GET ONE OF YOUR RELATIVES HEAD!!it will come to be!!you will cry tears until you will have them no more!!your day will come!! let kenyans weep now tomorrow it will be you!!



Anonymous said...

If I were the gvt, I would also want to know what Maina Kiai was up to. This guy ha sbeen completely compromised by ODM.

He's employed by the gvt, but he only speaks out when it doesn't favor the gvt, e.g the police killing the protestor in kisumu.

when women and children were burnt to death in a church, the guy is hush, he conveniently overlooks it, he doesn't say anything about those genocidal acts in rift valley being pre-planned despite the international human rights watch saying so, and having evidence to back them up.

He writes an article in yesterday's business daily saying the incidents in rift valley were not genocide or ethnic cleansing but merely "violence" I mean what a bunch of hogwash and B.S.
This guy has totally lost credibility and you'd only side with him if u supported ODM Blindly.
let's call a spade a spade, this dude was compromised.
Let's be honest. Just like Michuki is not popular with alot of people but everyone is happy that he's now the roads minister, hata ukiwa jamaa wa ODM, You'll know that roads now will be built.

7:51 AM

Anonymous said...

I WATCHED IT TOO MAINA KIAI DID AND EXCELLENT JOB ON BEHAVE OF ALL THE KENYANS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES,

BY THE WAY NJOKI WAS SEND TO DERAIL MAINA'S IN THE STATES AND LONDON- (SHE WAS PROMISED A PARLIAMENT POSITION) DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT (from a government sources who is not happy how positions are being dished out!!!))but un-lucky for her she was not welcome in some of the meetings Miana Kiai attended with the big wigs out there


Anonymous Anonymous said...

It looks like Kenya as a nation has taken a mighty leap backwards to the 70/80's when death threats and assassinations were the order of the day. It is not a coincidence that then as now Kibaki was part of the insider group seeking to hold onto power. Don't blame Mungiki, they are just the messengers. I would urge Maina and Wangari Maathai to take the threats seriuously. They should consider relocating to other countries.

I watched Maina Kiai and Njoki Ndungu make presentation to the senate committee. I disagree with the observation that Njoki Ndungu's presentaion was anti PNU. My assessment is that her presentation was heavily pro PNU. Her presentation was a sham and very partisan. Kudo's to Maina Kiai. His presentation was balanced. He did the country proud.

Anonymous said...

Ebu wadhubutu kuguza Wangari...watakiona cha mtema kuni...

Kenyan Revelations said...

It is time to decide what we call Kenya and pace

Anonymous said...

If we are all so concerned about PNU why arent people joining together to put pressure on PNU to behave themselves?

Anonymous said...

ANNON 8:13 Get a grip of yourself, your too emotional.....

you are the one filled with so much hate with your calling for mungiki to murder me... I really feel sad for you coz one, your hate will consume you and you'll always be bitter .

Elections were stolen ? Yes, on both sides, only that Raila got beaten in his own game. Whether raila won or not, those kyuks in eldie church would have been killed, the elections were just an excuse to commit genocide.

You also have to face reality that kibaki will be your president, whether you like or not for the next 5 years. Raila will NEVER be president, just like his father, he's a good politician but a poor leader. A leader's pride should be reflected in his people. Raila's people have been living in abject poverty for the last 15 years when he was their MP In Kibera.

Raila's people were busy destroying their home town of kisumu when their leader was encouraging them to do so. What kind of leader let's his people waste themselves like that ?

even your own parents would not allow yu to engage in vices while living with them, coz they know it will destroy your life...

But Raila don't care about you, yet yu care so much about him.
n'way while ur busy sulking and licking your wounds, others wameshaendela na kazi, so get used to it and kwit crying and spitting all that bile, itakuchoma daddi!!

Anonymous said...

WHAT A WICKED PAGANS THESE PEOPLE FROM CENTRAL ARE.

Maathai, Githongo and Maina are the few personalities from the area who speak civilized words. The rest including the bogus Cardinal have blood-stained hands. Let them kill the three and Kenyans will revenge. The three are true Kenyans who support democracy and rule of law.

They are against injustice, irrespective from whom. They have civilized minds not driven by money.

A threat to the Maathai, Githongo and Maina is a threat to ALL Kenyans.

mrembowaodm said...

eeei!! people will see what they want to see.....

njoki ndungu was clearly pushing the agenda for pnu. what? with her half truths!! she was speaking for pnu

Anonymous said...

and Maina Kiai was speaking for ODM.

Anonymous said...

I Liked Wangari maathai's interview on nation.

I like that she spoke the truth and did not hide behind the tired over used line of " people from certain communities"...I mean, just say Kikuyu or kalenjin or Luhya or whatever....

she should have been speaking this was from the get go!

ANNON 12:02 Don't think that if Raila won, he'd bring in Githongo to go after the fat cats. Never, coz that would mean Raila relinquishing his proceeds from the molaases plant deal, and Ruto would have to answer for so many offences, but the biggest fish would have to be Henry Kosgey, to answer how he brought down KNAC...

So be careful for what yu wish for,

mrembowaodm said...

if saying the truth is speaking for odm then more power to the people!!

mrembowaodm said...
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mrembowaodm said...

i dont think raila is any better than anybody else but if we voted him,we deserve to get him for president even if it was 'foolish' of us to do so...not someone shoving himself down our throats!!...stealing in broad daylight and forcing himself on us!!

even if kenyans wanted to vote in nazlin fazaldin rajput or pius muiru or even matiba it was within our right to do so....no one can pretend they are better than others and dictate kenya's future-not even kibaki!

kibaki must go!!

12:56 PM

Abass said...

I have a question. Maina Kiai is employed by the gov't. He is undoubtedly going against the gov't and speaking for the people. But since this gov't cares only about itself, why don't they sack him? I mean he has being this for far too long. I am just wondering, is there anything that prevents Kibaki from sacking him? I still don't understand.

Anonymous said...

ABASS,

You've brought up a very good point. Maina Kiai's paycheck comes from the government, he rarely has anything flaterry to say about the government.

If this was MOI's time, maina Kiai would have been long gone, that kanu regime was more like ODM, They did not tolerate dissent at all.

I think the reason why Maina Kiai still get paid by the gava is coz Kibaki has given kenya the most democratic space as a president.whether you like kibaki or not is a differnt story but there is no doubt his tenure has seen democratic spaces expanded.

In Moi days, alot of what the ODM leadership says or blabbers would not fly. Alot of the vernecular radio stations would not be in place either.

Kibaki is truly hands off which is not always beneficial to him. Even with his ministers, he gives them wide berth to run the minstries on their own, that's why when you do good, u get the credit, when u mess up, u get the blame ala John Michuki with the standard raid.

Kibaki is not going into interfere with Maina kiai, maybe people close to kibaki may want to sack this guy, but Kibz himself will not.

and kumekucha, stop deleting comments you don't agree with and PRETEND to be neutral. see, kumekucha isn't as democratic as they like to people to believe.
if u don't like a post, then counter it, that's what intelligent blogs do...

Anonymous said...

MREMBO WA ODM,

lol ati even nazlin could be voted in ?...seriuosly....yu know that will never happen.

at times I guess people just want to raise their profiles and thus join the presidential race.

Abass said...

I am sorry but anon 1:56, I don't and won't buy that. I agree that Kibaki has a hands off approach to almost everything. But that doesn't make him democratic and his action 2 months ago and his continued indifference to the plight of the common Kenyan proves that Moi was indeed better. At least in making decisions, and the right ones. Kibaki sacked all LDP ministers and many seniour civil servants who disagreed with him openly or otherwise. So I am still waiting a reasonable answer from someone to explain this to me (preferably from a neutral one). Why is Kibaki not sacking Maina Kiai since he is employed by the gov't wile he continues to go against the gov't i.e. fighting for the common man.

Anonymous said...

ABASS ,

I doubt you'll get any other meaningful answer,coz if it were that simple, you'd had gotten a whole ton of responses by now.

Believe it or not, Kibaki si the most democratic president kenya has ever had.

Are you seriuos about Moi being a better leader ? then why the hell was he voted out by such a huge majority ? Moi was a micro manager, Kibaki believes that people are actually intelligent enough to make their own decisions.

You may not like Kibaki personally, but you have to agree democratic space has increased. Moi would have never done a referendum for a new constitution, yet kibaki did it, lost, accepted it and moved on.

Yes , he did get rid of civil servants and higher ups who he perceived as unco-operative. You cannot blame him for that, it happens all the time. Trust me had Raila won and become president, he would have gotten rid of people who would not advance his interests. It happnes everywhere, even in the U.S, Germany, canada. Politicians eliminate opponents in order for them to get their agenda thru.

The elections were no doubt controversial. Both sides stole the election. the reality is that there's over 4 million voters who prefereed Kibaki, and there's also another over 4 million voters who prefereed Raila. who really won? Even kivuitu can't tell, yet he's supposed to be the end authority in all this.

The reality is that Kibaki is the current president, and the more Raila fumbled during the start of the year, the more kibaki has entrenched himself in so deep and so comfortable that he'll be on that seat for another 5 years.

Yes Kibaki sacked all LDP Ministers. It would have been unrealsistic to have them in his government. Kibaki is the head of government and as such, he appoints Ministers to help him govern the country.

You cannot have your Ministers being against you and expect them to do their duties well.

You really can't be mad at that, I'd rather you give another reason.

and don't be deceived that maian Kiai is fighting for the common man...haha far from it. With time, all these ODM shenanigans will be revelad and people will see the tru colors, actually, people have already started seeing this.

How do u call for mass protests in the middle of the negotiation process? It's such a bad look on ODM from both kenyans and the international community.

I wonder why Maina Kiai is ever so silent on the eldie church isse whenevr he talks of government / police brutality ?

I saw him on C-SPAN, avoid this topic completely, did not mention it one bit. He's definitely not fighting for those poor women and children wgo were burnt alive, to death while seeking refuge in a church...

Abass said...

anon 3:29, credit where it is due. Kibaki definitely gave Kenyans more breathing space, to put it that way. He lets Kenyans speak their mind freely and exercise their right to freedom of speech in a way Moi never did. Neveretheless, his actions in the most ever dangerous time in Kenya's history are very questionable. He assumes the situation is or will go back to normal after sometime if nothing is done. He says everything must be within the constitution yet he knows parliament did and can do the necessary amendment. He trashed the MoU. The police brutality was deplorable. I can go on an on... but that will take us out of the point. Let us be honest, Kibaki's sacking of Kiai won't be seen as undemocratic as topping up at KICC. So I am still waiting for a reasonable answer. Why can't he sack Kiai yet he proved to be so anti-gov't?

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Anonymous said...

Anon 3:29....President Moi was io times better than Kibaki ....Which democreatic space did Kibaki fight for...Wacha kutudanganya that was a struggle that Kenyans fought for when Kibs was hiding behind MOi and KANU wasn't he the one who said removing KANU is like cutting a tree with a razor blade..He gave us space only because he had reformers within NARC at that time.Kibs stole from the wrong generation.Period!!!

Anonymous said...

What nonsense is this that some pple like to Peddle that Kibaki has given us space??
What space and where?
This is something that Kenyans have fought for with their blood- he just happens to be the guy in charge during this generation.
Moi is a thousand times better than him. He used to listen in on what the masses thought and whenever he felt the pressure was too much he would buckle.
Kibaki does not listen to anyone- he pretends to be quite while in the real sense this is arrogance-'' sasa ninyi wajinga mtanifanyia nini - kind of person''
He is worse than a green grass in the snake...
Do not even blame Karua et al.. for the stalled process- this is the reall Kibaki - Arrogant but pretends to be quite..

Anonymous said...

ABASS,

Mian kiai's job is to speak up against violation of human rights, which he's been doing for a while. He's supposed to speak up even tho his criticism targets his employer, that's his job and kibaki undertsands that.

If you work in a large organization, would you fire your audit department coz they uncovered some shady deals going on ? Isn't it their job to discover these things?

Maina Kiai just blabbers alot, he's been asked to produce evidence of his claims, and all he does is talk about police brutality and the way a cop killed a protestor in kisumu.

ANNON 11:59 & 2:56 Despite your loathing for kibaki, it's a fact that he's the president who gave kenya the most democracy. I can't believe you seriuosly want to go back to the moi days of dictatorship and ass kissing ministers.

Kibaki accepted the referendum defeat, kina Raila and Co campaigned against it coz of their selfish ambitions. Most kenyans hadn't even read the draft but were duped into believeing that t was meant to solidify perpetual kikuyu leadership for life. Had kenyans accepted that drfat, it would have catrede for all these anomalies we're experiencing now.

and for those saying kibaki is wrong for refering to the constitution, you need to know that kenya is a country governeed under rule of law and we have to have a frame of refernce for doing things, not just doing things for the sake.

Even if the gvt agrees to this PM Thing, it will have to be done constitutionally.

plus, when Kibaki lost the elections in the past, HE IDID follow the court system, so what makes Raila any special ? most of his ODM defeated MP's are following the court system.

ABBASS, I doubt if any one will answer you satisfactorily. That should tell you alot about Kibai..why hasn't he fired this guy who's only doing his job?

would Moi tolerate MAina Kiai ? Would Raila and Ruto tolertae Maina Kiai if they were in leadership ?

your guess is as good as mine, I highly doubt

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:56 Do you really beleive what you have written? your guess is as good as mine, I highly doubt
...I have just remembered the Tuju's of Nyanza, i have not heard anyone threatening,the blabber Wetangula, though he has been told not to go back to Sirisia..Death threats no one has threatened them...inspite of their political differences.....So who is more tolerant

Anonymous said...

Yes I wholly believe what I've written @ ANNON 10:08

AS for you, what are u trying to say, what's your point? I can't undertsand, help me comprehend..?

Anonymous said...

why do people like Bla bla bla..Balala and Nyongo think they are still relevant ?

can someone give them a wake up call ? and ship Balala back to Yemen

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